I'm going to go ahead and get started.
 Ok, y'all... here are the rules for the class....
 Please, do not make comments, ask questions, or anything else, in open channel...
 If you have a question, type @ and I will call on you.
 If you want to greet someone, /msg them
 There will be a question and answer period at the end, too...
 If we split, I will wait a minute or two for everyone to get back together...
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 Ok, everyone, I've got notes on the class available.... type a * to recieve a copy, DCC
 Ok, y'all let's get started
 The first thing that I'd like to discuss is the idea of "Diety", as a whole.
 In most traditions, and IMO, the driving force of 'life, the 
  universe, and everything' isn't necessarily 'the god' and 'the goddess', but one unified whole.
[22:48]  @
 Humans aren't capable, usually, of dealing with that great, 
  featureless power... so we break it down, into Goddess and God, to allow  us to deal with it and understand it better.
 Yes, Phoenix?
[22:49]  Just wanted to present the fact that even above and beyond tradition, Albert Einstein's great legacy was the Unified Field theory...  it seems to be the final driving point for humanity in general...
 Thanks, Phoenix....
 The two parts of this great Divine are fashioned after the two parts of humanity , the two most 'permanant' divisions, male and female.
[22:51]  @
 (Yes, the lines between the two are blurred.... transsexuals, bi- and homo- sexuals, but generally speaking, they're unchanging...)
 Yes, Druidess?
[22:52] <^Satyr^> @
[22:53]  Is this your opinion? Or is this Fact?
[22:53]  well
[22:53]  nothing in religion is fact
[22:53]  sorry
 Druidess... this is my opinion..... little in philosophy and religion can be called fact....... 
 NP, Larry... I was about to say the same thing.... but I'd 
  appreciate it if you'd follow procedure.....
 What was your question, Satyr?
[22:56] <^Satyr^> transexual/bi/homo are just interactions of the genders 
(male/female) not the genders themselves
[22:58]  I agree ^Satry^, I was about to say that myself :)
 Well, transsexuals are considered a blurring usually, since they don't ally themselves with either sex, as are those that undergo sex-change operations.... but thanks..... yes, the sexuality doesn't necessarily blur, but it is not 'typical' of the usual interactions...
 The two aspects do have their own special properties. Goddess is typicall seen as passive, cold, receptive, etc. while 
  God is seen as active, warm, sending, etc.
 These are seen in many religions, not necessarily just paganism.
 The principle of yin and yang, for example, and the Xian ideas of female and male are all coming from this same idea.
 The initial may have come from basic anatomy and ancient behaviors, where men were forced to hunt and kill for the food, while the women worked hard foraging. Anatomy, too, plays a part in this, as 
  males have the 'active' role, and women have the more 'passive' role in basic fertilization (this comes full circle at birth, of course, but still)
 The thing then to study when speaking of divinity is not merely one half of this but both parts, the female and the male, the 
  Goddess and the God.
 To start with (yes, it's a bit silly, but we have to start somewhere) is Ladies first, with the Goddess.
 The Goddess is usually seen as being in three aspects, corresponding with the three stages of female reproduction. Maiden 
  (pre-menstruation), Mother (menstruating) and Crone (post-menopause). 
 The Goddess is seen as being associated with the elements of Water and Earth, and with all aspects of life, from hunting (Artemis) to food growing (Demeter) and death (Hecate).
 Some Goddesses even span all the stages, such as Kali-Ma, goddess of birth and death, love and hate. 
 The Goddess is usually called on by women (as would be expected) and is not as much worked with  by men.
 The God is generally seen as having either one face or three, depending on the tradition
 The three faces of the God are that of Father, Lover and Hunter.
 The God is associated with the elements of Fire and Air, and usually with things such as hunting, teaching, and war... they are seldom seen as creative, but rather destructive.
 They are usually called on by men, and are seldom called by 
  women. 
 There is a movement, in certain groups of Pagans, to exclude 
  one or the other from their worship. Dianics, for example, are typically anti-male, and some exclude all men from their worship. Some groups 
  are very anti-female (some Gardernarians, some other Fam-Trads, and others..) 
 A lot of this is due to remnants of Xianity hanging about, the very anti-female stance of the Xian churches in general, and the backlash from that.
 I personally believe that using both is important, and that the exclusion of one is cutting off, literally, half your power and half your understanding.
 There. I've talked enough. Now it's your turn. I'd like to take volunteers to discuss your own personal ideas of dieties.... 
  Just jump right in, and all can participate.
 Ok, now.... anyone want to share?
 Anyone?
[23:24]  Hold.
 OK
[23:25]  @
 Go ahead.... the 'no talking' rule's not in effect any more...
[23:26]  Ahh.. Alright then.  I find it a bit odd that people place so much important on defining the personality or powers of their gods.  Under my own beliefs, god is simply a gamesmaster..
 A Gamesmaster?
[23:28]  Yes.. I don't mean to be disrespectf ul to other beliefs, but under my views god, or the Creator, simply... runs the  universe.
 I think that the reason that many people have personalities for their gods and goddesses is so that they can relate to them.
[23:28]  If one wishes to know a Creator's personality, they simply look at the world around them.
 And there is no interaction between the Divine and the people?
 Or is it htat there is no need for contact?
[23:29]  A "god"s creations reflect his personality, just as an 
artist's art reflects his views and thoughts.
[23:29]  There is no need for contact really.
[23:30]  We're not here to worship or follow a diety, we're here to live a life.
[23:30]  It seems a bit silly to me, as if we were children worshipping our parents...  They created us, in a sense, but that is no reason to base your life upon them.
[23:31]  (Again, this is just my view, no disrespect toward other beliefs is intended.)
 No, that's OK, that's what we're here to do, discuss.
 I think that's a really interesting way to look at it......
[23:32]  Understood Constantine.... interesting view, but consider this...
 (Interesting, neat, not interesting, yeah-whatever-you-say....)
[23:32]  Its not the sum of my entire beliefs either, just those that apply to this universe, since its the current topic.
 ANyone else like to comment?
[23:33]  Our parents created us, so by understanding them better, 
we come to better understand ourselves... this is true of the Gods as well, IMO, and is a big part of my religion, better self-understanding 
through a reletionship with Deity.
[23:34]  Ahh.. I see what you're saying Bethanny...
 Nice way to put it, Bethanny....
 Anyone else?
[23:35]  However, this body contains only a fraction of our true selves.
[23:36]  Only what is nessicary to live this particular life.
[23:37]  Tis an intricate system, please continue Mistress, I'll be silent for a time..
 Really, Constantine? What do you think the rest of our self is doing, while we are in this life?
[23:37]  How about this as well, we are god so by worshipping 
deity, we worship ourselves and are then more able to connect with our own higher self which can manifest an advance in our own spirituality
 No, that's OK, Constantine.... that's what this part of the class is for....
 What I was looking for, also, is people's views of Goddess/God... which they worship and why....
[23:38]  Tis in a limbo of sorts.
[23:39]  Our conciousness is here.. But the full extent of our 
awareness and power is not.
 For example,one of the Goddesses I work with often is Artemis. She is the patroness of my circle. But she also has aspects 
  that correspond with my own personality. I also work with Demeter, because she too is much like my own personailty.
[23:39]  Ah! Here's an analogy...
[23:40]  Right  now Mistress, you host this channel.. You created it, and you maintain it.  You are the GamesMaster here.
[23:40]  I exist in your channel as a name.  An archetype, etc..
[23:41]  Although my attention is in your channel, my full power is not.  Because my true form is elsewhere, (at this keyboard.)
[23:41]  By breaking the Great Spirit into smaller aspects we are 
able to explore the specific archetypes within ourselves, both male and female...by understanding and becoming close the more archetype
s we become more whole
[23:42] <^Satyr^> const: yet without being on this 
channel, only you can know your presence/thought.. it's thru this onnectiveness, that one might discover things one never noticed.. just as I might notice that my fly's undone in a mirror };>
  Thanks, Satyr.
[23:42]  In this channel, your realm, I have only enough of my true self to chat and express my views.  Tis all I need.  Physical power or anything else for that matter, would disrupt the balance in this channel.
[23:42] <^Satyr^> (but then being skyclad.. heh heh };>)
[23:43]  Now, apply this universe as your channel, and people in place of alias's, and its my basic view.
 That's true, Hawthorn... so we study the archetypes to understand the God/Goddesses, to understand ourselves.
[23:43] <^Satyr^> const: yet to some, they crave for the presence of another person..in person.. not just another buncha text };>
[23:43]  Exactly Satyr, just as in life, we come for entertainment, for interaction, and for knowledge.
 One great circle....
[23:44]  Well Satyr, to meet in person, one must leave this channel..To meet outside of this physical realm, one must exit this universe.
[23:45] <^Satyr^> interaction is not just in minds/thoughts.. but sometimes visually and physical..
[23:46]  True, but meeting "in person" in this realm is not truly physical.  For I can see your name on the screen, but it is not truly you.
[23:46] <^Satyr^> const: only quoting physical cos of "Physical power or 
anything else would only disrupt the balance of this channel" .. saying that 
maybe physical power could actually enhance, rather than disrupt
 Anyone else like to jump in? Devo? Alura? Bethanny?
[23:47]  And in the view that Constantine is describing, there are possibilities of interaction that we cannot even comprehend, beyond physical life, just as I can't imagine what you look like with any degree of 
accuracy...
[23:47] * Bethanny^ points 
  up... :)
[23:47]  Exactly Beth..
[23:48] * ^Satyr^ gives 2 horns up in approval };> *laughs*
  Thanks, Bethanny....
[23:48] <^Satyr^> beth: you speak of the astral/psychic realms
[23:48]  Of that topic a little.. Perhaps people give their gods a personality to justify their behavior.
[23:49] <^Satyr^> const: or choose a God that is of their behaviour?
[23:49]  No one likes to be unsure of themselves, or how they 
act.. So if you're a violent person, you'll follow a violent god, if you're a loving person, you follow a loving god, etc..
[23:49]  Perhaps... I don't really know...  perhaps that and more...
[23:49] <^Satyr^> ..or feel most comfortable with the fact that what they're doing is not 'wrong'?
[23:49] * Constantine nods to Satyr.
[23:49]  Also true.
 Perhaps by seeing that the "Gods" have similar problems, people feel less singled out by fate?
[23:50] <^Satyr^> the choosing of a "consistant" God to own behaviour  (and ability to find one that matches) proves that it's a "human trait" since the early times..
[23:50]  You choose a god, or perhaps create a god, that fits with your behavior.
[23:50]  Also true Mistress.
 They feel like the problems that they have are OK, and not 'weird'?
[23:50] <^Satyr^> ..and it's not an "abnormality" of the person in question
[23:50]  True..
[23:51]  And under a god with many sides, or under a God & 
Goddess, each with different sides, it becomes easier for different people to relate and accept each other.
[23:51] <^Satyr^> but images change.. as the once glorified "concepts" turned dark and 'evil-ized' by newer more prominent concepts 
[23:52]  I doubt its a coincidence that as religions moved from 
polythiesm to monothiesm, the world became calmer, and a bit more united.
[23:52]  With obvious exceptions of the Inquisition, The Crusades, etc.
 You think so? 
[23:53] <^Satyr^> const: but so did the notion of Politics..the sposed unification of 'little tribes' for a 'consistant' large beurocracy..
[23:53] <^Satyr^> const: it works.. but it's not any bit better in all cases
[23:53]  But those weren't monotheistic issues at all... those were situations where two different views of Diety, two different worldviews, collided...
 I personally, even thought it is more 'connected' think that the world's become more fragmented and more tense since the advent of monotheism.
[23:54] <^Satyr^> 'little tribes' (polythiesm) 'large beurocracy' (One True God theorem)
 Yes, and   now you can be lost in the shuffle of one big God, and your little differences become magnified.... 
[23:55]  True.. perrhaps under monothiesm, religious tensions are just masked.. where they were once blantantly apparent under polythiestic religions.
 Seen the joke about the suicide on the bridge? It's working like that....
[23:56] <^Satyr^> chaos: that's due to the fact that it'd take more books than the surface of the earth (in microns) to cover all the aspects of this "one true god".. as such, there's still the (big) chance of behaviour not consistant to this God.. and again alienation comes in 
[23:57] <^Satyr^> alienation brings about 'disillusionment' and compounded by 'human behavior' of usually mocking the non-conformant ("nyeh.. nyeh.. freak!.. witch!.. homo.. etc etc etc")
 Yes...
[23:57] * Bethanny^ nods...
[23:58]  Perhaps its a cycle.. the masses unite under a god with different aspects to his personality.. Then as those aspects become more pronounced, they break off into different gods..
[23:58]  And the masses fall back to polythiesm.
[23:58]  I think monotheism increases the tension because it leaves little to no room for personal interpretation of who/what god is... therefore whoever has the most power wins
[23:58] <^Satyr^> in those cases, there can never be an "unified" God unless everyone accepts that this God is not restricted by any scriptures of their behaviors.. and accept God for ALL forms of behaviours
[23:59]  and the principle of "non-conformant" is where all the conflict is,,, because, by definition, if there are nonconfirmists, 
then there is a system in control, and other systems struggling for freedom 
form that control... excactly, Satyr!
[23:59] <^Satyr^> ..even if it's sometimes 'dubious' (eg. Mass suicide = world population control, seeing that Man has tampered with life-spans.. [medicines])
[0:00] <^Satyr^> haw: reminds me of Micro$cum/Bill Gates.. He dictates cos he's got the market in WinBlowz *spit spit* };>.. can you see the rise of another mono-OS-ism?
[0:00]  Heh.. true enough.
[0:00]  " I do not believe in a word you say, but I would defend with my life your right to say it"?
[0:01]  Where's that quote from Beth?
[0:01]  One of the american Founding Fathers... Thomas Jefferson, 
I believe, but not sure.
[0:01]  Hmm.. I like it.
[0:02] <^Satyr^> on the other hand, Polythiesm brings about a more "flexible
" image of Gods.. something that can't be made a weapon "against" the priest 
(Christians excepted - no offence, due to scripture saying "all other Gods are Satan")
[0:02]  Or Sam Adams... one of the crazy ones. :)
[0:02] <^Satyr^> (priest/ess)
[0:03] * ^Satyr^ needs Coke break };>. "divine juice" };>
[0:04]  True enough... Xians almost 
unite by force with the view that all which is not god is evil.
[0:05]  when most cultures were polytheistic, everyone assumed there were other gods.  when they moved to another land they just added on to their own pantheon.. one big happy family
[0:05]  Well, that comes from the idea that Satan is the Father of Lies,a nd masks himself in benevolent forms, lying even to his followers... the idea that there are _any_ other ways of percieving 
Diety is supressed.
[0:05]  Well Hawthorn, men still warred over their gods..
[0:06] <^Satyr^> haw: but there are only 2 ways of 'adding to the pantheon'.. Assimilate (thanx, Mr. Borg) or Destroy (thanx, Mr. Borg) };>
 Yes, Satyr....   and the Assimilate ends up being 'puree' most of the time..... see the Xians and Paganism...
[0:07] <^Satyr^> Assimilate is used when the 'foreign Gods' are too 'deep rooted'. Example of usage of this:  St. Brighid, Halloween, etc
[0:08] <^Satyr^> Destroy is used when the 'foreign people' are weak/chaotic/defeated in war. eg. Inquisition, Demonizing of the Horned 
Lord, etc
[0:09]  Right Hawth...  but the idea, Constantine, was that other 
Gods were concievable.  
 Agreed, Satyr...
[0:09]  Very true.
[0:09]  yes, tis true... boys get bored ya know...;)
[0:09]  My point was only that hate was still quite present.
 OTher Gods were 'worng' but possible. With monotheism, they're not even possible.
[0:09] <^Satyr^> as they say, it's the "winners of wars that write history.."
 Yes, Satyr.
[0:11]  yes Satyr, but the monks only did that after realising that there were more successful and subtle ways of swaying a population, as opposed to destroying all the potential recruits
 You seldom see the version of the Pilgrims that says "We were peacefully living until on day these stupid people came up and 
  decided to start claiming everything"
[0:11]  Right Satyr...  but there's always the danger there of "throwbacks", and resurfacing of the original... which is why they were so harsh on the heretics.  But even the domonizing of the Horned God was a 
kind of assimilation... in a negative sense.
[0:11] <^Satyr^> chaos: it is STILL possible with monotheism, but people 
will have to be 'open minded enough' that 'God' could be male/female/neuter
/hemaphrodite/misc };>
[0:12] <^Satyr^> ..and that's just in 'gender form'.. to comprehend the other "traits" (height, width, length..*cough*, length of orgasm, homie hats, and choice of weapons), I think that'd be enuff to blow most people's mind off };>
[0:13] * ^Satyr^ grins mischieviously.
 
 Thanks, Satyr... you always play Devil's advocate....
[0:13] * ^Satyr^ yells, "All Hail Lord Pan and Lady Aphrodite.."
[0:14] * ^Satyr^ grins.
[0:14] * ^Satyr^ is a Devil.. just ask any Christian };>
[0:14]   Look at his form...according to Christians, he is :)
[0:15] * ^Satyr^ bows to Lord Lag and Lady Netsplit in fear of incurring their wrath };>
 
[0:15]  don't worry satyr, they're sitting on me right now :(
[0:15] <^Satyr^> haw: which one?.. Lady Netsplit? };>
[0:16] * ^Satyr^ grins satyrically.
* MistressChaos conjures a large purple elephant and drops it on ^Satyr^ ... 
  "There! That should hold you!"
[0:16]  lord lag
[0:16] <^Satyr^> Mmmrph?
[0:16]  but... i think he's getting up off of me... watch out!!
[0:17]  anywho, let's get back to deity...
[0:17]  k...   before things get silly and fall apart... MChaos, next item of discussion?
[0:17] <^Satyr^> so which God(dess)es does everyone else here find 'closest' to?
 Like I said, I use Artemis and Demeter, and that's about it. God is usually a 'generic' figure.....  depends on what I need.
[0:18]  I studyied Santeria and Yoruba for several years- I found them very attractive because their deities are still very alive and very interactive
[0:18]  I am currently trying to apply what I learned to reviving 
the Celtic deities on that level
[0:19]  hmm... tough question... I don't take my Gods from any 
particular pantheon.  Unending change and creation is an intergral aspect of 
Idvinity, IMO, and every time I approach the God or Goddess, They present a 
different face to me.
[0:20]  agreed Bethanny- and I find that their faces change with my life and my needs
 Bethany... I use whoever is appropriate to what I need....
 (I say use... I mean call on..... )
[0:21]  The only real "permantent" images are, I suppose a Demeter-likeaspect, a Great Mother.... and the River God. 
[0:21]  the deities of love and passion ran rampant through my 
life for many years, now that I can't keep up as well with those antics, my deities have a more mature mother/father aspect
[0:21]  You give names to those different aspects, different names as they present different faces to you?
[0:21]  unless the right pheremones hit me that is ;)
[0:22]  is anyone here familiar with  the Orisha?
[0:22] * Bethanny^ shakes her head...
[0:22]  not necessarily- though I like to simply so I may address 
them when we talk
[0:22] * ^Satyr^ thinks the Gods are endless in creativity/aspects.. and even though Pan was 'lusty' He was also quite wise.. heh.. he didn't 
  leave kids all over the place for others to clean up (*whistles innocently at Zeus*)
[0:23]  lol!
[0:23]  lol! Very true Satyr...
 LOL, Satyr....
[0:23] * ^Satyr^ could see Him as a responsible young satyr for that too };>
[0:24] <^Satyr^> (ok.. 'young' is a relative term };>)
  Satyr.... you're as young as you think you are....
[0:25] <^Satyr^> ..and Lady Aphrodite.. though usually associtated with 'sex'-love.. Love transcends more than just that.. even between Father/Son..
[0:25]  the Orisha are the Yoruba and Santeria deities- they have 
strong personalities, likes and dislikes fav foods and colors, and will possess their 'children' during ritual
[0:25]  it is something that i find dulled from disuse in many 
western european trad pantheons
[0:25]  Young in aspect, though eternal and ageless in nature...
[0:26]  it is that strength of image- universal image that i would like to see built personally
[0:26] <^Satyr^> ..and extends as far as sea blessings (after all Aphrodite did come from Aphros [sea foam?]).. yet She also shows how humans react out of love (of themselves) [vanity?]..
[0:27]  Interesting... I'd like to get together with you sometime and get more info on that, Hawthorn...
[0:27]  it's be nice to say- for instance that Lugh has blond hair, likes scotch, busty babes, a 3 count drum rhythm and the color orange
[0:27]  it gives you a personality profile for the archetype
[0:27] <^Satyr^> but to sum it up, it only shows how far you wish to extend on the image of any 'Gods'..
[0:28] <^Satyr^> haw: easier to draw for artists too };>
[0:28] <^Satyr^> "Hey.. that babe around Lugh didn't have a big enuff bust!.. extend on that pic"
[0:29]  ... but as y0ou get these more detailed archetypes, you need a larger number of individual archetypes to describe the same phenomenons...lol Satyr!  I see where that would make connnecting with Diety easier for many...
[0:29]  but the simplicity and flexibility of mine work for me...
 I think having the option of the 'generic' and the option of 
  the 'specific' makes things work better for me. I can use Cernunnos and Artemis if I want to , or I can just say "Goddess and God"
[0:30] <^Satyr^> larger number, but more 'personal'and knowing that the Gods 
are there FOR you.. (and whatever Gods are there for Mr. Bob down the street's his own)
[0:30] * ^Satyr^ nodnods to Chaos.
[0:31]  And that's the whole idea, is it not?  To find what works 
for you...
[0:31]  locally, i've found a reluctance in breaking down Deity beyond "Lord andLady' so as to explore the different archetypes in finer detail- is this a similar situation for any of you?  I mean there's little 
trouble in name dropping- but its the nitty gritty of working with them that I find folks to be hesitant.
[0:31] * Bethanny^ nods...
[0:31] <^Satyr^> on the other hand, who cares if Ms. Jill says there are 2,416,526 Gods while Mrs. Smith says there are 1,526,226 Gods };>
 Yes, it is... and I think that the discussion I had earlier with a newbie was what prompted this class... she wasnted to know 'Who" were the Goddess and God
[0:32] * ^Satyr^ thinks we all know that Bill Gate$ counted 95 Gods };>..
[0:32]  I have seen that tendency, both in others and in myself... I'm studying Asatru, which has a very complex pantheon, in part to get past that hesitation.
 I had to try to explain that there weren't a certain number of Gods she should use, or that she has to use THIS ONE GOD all the time....
[0:32]  yes, they say that the Orisha number as many as there are things upon the planet:)
[0:32] <^Satyr^> 94 himself, and one for the OS that made him real big
[0:33] * Bethanny^ nods... in all things there is the fire of God.
[0:33] <^Satyr^> inanna!
[0:33] * ^Satyr^ hugs WMHI.
[0:33]  or the dear soul that wanted someone to give her a list 
the the gods and goddesses the other night...
[0:34] <^Satyr^> haw: time to type up the list from Farrar's };>
[0:37]  yes, my one teacher said that by using a pantheon instead of the Two you limitted the potential of the deities- not that i disagreed but that i felt there is a need for that- to focus on an aspect- i think it helps fine tune the power to the need, and to build a more intimate relationship
[0:37]  MM, 93 all
[0:38]  easier to have a conversation with one person as opposed the a whole city all at once  sort of a thing...
 I agree....   using one diety helps you to understand the whole better.... you untangle a knot by looking at one aprt, not by 
  mangling the whole thing....
[0:38] * Bethanny^ nods... I can how that would work...
[0:39]  i like that analogy
 Thanks.
[0:40]  I think I just don't have enough knowledge about the various pantheons, and the characteristics of the individual Ods and Goddesses, to be comfortable with that kind of association... as i grow in 
knowledge, that could very well change.
[0:40]  i've finally gotten my coven to be more adventurous on 
this level- now the hard part is narrowing down the pantheon to a few group 
fav's for us to focus on- for instance the Orisha are seven popular ones and 
about a zillion others
[0:40] <^Satyr^> beth: one extends on what one knows 'bout the Gods..
[0:41] * Bethanny^ nods...
[0:41]  i found that it helped to focus on the culture i was most 
connected with and start from there
[0:42]  then, you start with whomever answers closest to your 
current personal archetype of your self at this stage
[0:42]  Let's talk in private chat...
[0:43]  You give him voice, and he will never shut up about how how he is right and you are wrong...
[0:43]  i know, I added him to the akick list for #wicca
[0:46]  wow, that's weird... the whole flow just got thrown off in here- who did that?
[0:46] * Faucon sheepishly raises his hand
[0:47] * Hawthorn7 likes to give spankings so watch out Faucon ;)
[0:47]  hmmmm....
* MistressChaos thinks "Ok, Faucon's gotta be punished..... "
[0:47]  does anyone here focus on a specific pantheon?
 I never   have... I am officially 'eclectic'.
[0:49]  My apologies, I always confuse the Greek and the Roman- 
of which ppantheon are Artemis and Demeter?
 Artemis is Roman, Demeter is too, I think...
[0:50]  Both are Greek
[0:50] <^Satyr^> both greek
 Greek? Are you sure? (Althought, honestly, I'm not surprised I get it wrong.... they confuse me, too...)
[0:50]  Ah, I found both of those to be good pantheons to work 
with because the classics have kept the personalities alive with the general 
public, ja know?
[0:51]  Minerva is Artemis in Roman, I do beleive
 You'd think I'd know that.... but hey! I've muddled the two pantheons so much, I'm surprised they're not all one in my mind now, which I'm not sure they're not.
 Minerva is house and home, not hunting and childbirth
[0:52]  And Ceres is Demeter 
[0:52]  the archetypical deifications of both are almost exact, the names have been changed to protect the innocent :)
[0:52]  That's right...Athena is Minerva
[0:52]  you see though, that it is fairly easy to have an image and personality for them
[0:53]  something to build from
[0:53]  I hate Roman to Greek transaltions... :)
 Yes...... they both are VERY close, so the names don't matter so much as the archetype behind them.
[0:55]  I think the problem arises more in the Eastern European 
pantheons and ,unfortuantely, the Celtic ones\
[0:55]  though they are stilll alive in mythology
[0:56]  it is only recently that interest in reviving those myths have begun to surface again
[0:56]  sometimes it seems like you are trying to resucitate the dead :(
 Yes, the myths are still alive, if they are a bit muddled.
[0:57]  i really enjoy the efforts some are taking to rewrite the myths
 Yes, I do too... I love the 'new' myths
[0:58] <^Satyr^> new myths?
[0:58] <^Satyr^> you're talking Hercules?
 New versions of the older myths.
 LOL.... nope...
[0:58] * ^Satyr^ grins.
[0:58] * ^Satyr^ thinks Hercules would be cool, if it was R18+ wiv Aphrodite 
  showing Her full glory on TV };>
[0:58] * ^Satyr^ laughs mischieviously.
 But that's kewl, too.... taking a myth and presenting it to LARGE quantities of people....
 LOL!!!! Yeah, sure....
[0:59] <^Satyr^> ..and Pan would have a chance of making an appearance too 
};>
[0:59]  Yeah it's just that "Evil goddess Hera'' nonsense that tweeks me
[1:00] * ^Satyr^ shrugs.
 And you'd just love seeing that... but who'd play Pan? And would we have to add a prostetic so that he'd live up to his reputation?
 Evil Goddess Hera?
[1:00] * ^Satyr^ just did a global search and replace wiv "Goddess X" };>
 ???
 Satyr.... you're a dear, but you've lost it.......
[1:00]  yes- that's who's after Hercules to destroy him in the series
[1:00] * ^Satyr^ laughs.
[1:01] <^Satyr^> haw: she hasn't made an appearance in 5 episodes..
 LOL..... I was 
  thinking of the new Diseny 
  one....
 I seldom   watch that..... that and Xena 
  have been basically left OFF my dial....
 But hey! THat's OK....
[1:01]  neither have I satyr :)
 ANyone got any thoughts on mixing  pantheons?
[1:02]  I might catch it a few times in the year at most
[1:02] * ^Satyr^ did get to record the Aphrodite episode tho };>.. Woo wooh! };>
 LOL!
[1:03] <^Satyr^> "The Apple" };>
[1:03] <^Satyr^> basically another "judgement of Paris" with a better plotline :)
 Oh mes dieux, Satyr.. that's all yuou need, a provocation....
[1:03]  so, has anyone here actually had conwith a deity form, 
beyond the usual petition thayng?  or divine posession?
[1:03] * Bethanny^ has...
 Well... I've had some divine intervention.....
[1:04] <^Satyr^> what's disney done this time?
[1:04]  I don't have any problem with mixing pantheon's I'm a 
religious gypsy myself
 The new movie coming out.... you'd most likely NOT have it yet, Satyr...
[1:04] <^Satyr^> (last time I heard was Pocahontas facts screwy)
 It's not out here until July, I think.
[1:05] <^Satyr^> we're always behind on everything except date };>
 I never saw Pocahontas... and Hunchback was cute, but I only REALLY loved the music.
[1:06] * ^Satyr^ only saw the Lion King.. NICE music
 Hercules is the next one, I believe.
[1:06] <^Satyr^> oh?.. does Pan/Aphrodite make an appearance? };>
[1:06]  I had a hard time with that one- if a story is a tragedy, I don't think it should be "happied' up for the masses
 I loved the music to the Littel Mermaid.. Ursula rocks.
[1:06] * ^Satyr^ didn't see that one.
[1:07] * ^Satyr^ did see the 5th Element tho :)
 Little, 
 You did??
 Oh I LOVED THAT!!!!!!!!!
[1:07] <^Satyr^> She looked great };> *laughs*
[1:07] * ^Satyr^ grins mischieviously and satyrically };>
 Satyr, you thought so too??? Made MY  blood boil, that's for damn sure....
[1:08] * ^Satyr^ thought the bad guy was cute too..
 ???? are you nuts?
[1:09] <^Satyr^> he's got that nice grin on his face when he demo'd the weapon
 Yeah, he did....
 So.... can I 
  safely sy the class is over?

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