Reply to Loving Athest (LA) - God does not exist - Jan 12, 07
There is no evidence or logical arguments to support the inspiration of any scriptures, and ultimatley the existence of a God.
Vj ~ Anyone who is truly desirous of finding the evidences for the existence of God will find it. If you were, you would have first researched my scripture before attempting to deny the existence of God.

Why waste time on a being that is pure fabrication of the human mind to supply a simplistic answer to the complex issues of the universe and human existence.
Vj ~ And of course the "issues" will always remain complex to those who have no inclination to seek the truth.

God demands our praise and has an ego bigger than this universe. He has always been on the side of the wealthy and powerful. The kings and priests drank water from the same well (God) and became intoxicated with wealth and power that were used to oppress the people.
Vj ~ Very true, you do know much of the God of all the false dogmas that have sprung up within the last 4000 years.

Be kind to people, and provide your animals with food, love and shelter, and you don't need any other yajna in you life.
Vj ~ Tough language my friend, you must be a very strict vegetarian or worst, a hypocrite.

I have found God but didn't like my discovery.
Vj ~ I too, was once an atheist and have now found God through honest inquiry. You see, to discover God, not only it requires the right teacher (guru) and the correct knowledgebut it requires humility. Noticing my predicament as an atheist, he concluded that I was an idiot. But upon reflection I thought he could be right for all I might have had was an ego and now after 25 years I am indeed proud of my achievement.

I was looking for a God that was kind, just, and operated on logical principles.
Vj ~ By golly, that's the God I have discovered.

This universe can only be described as chaos, and the accused creator should be given a basic lesson in quality control.
Vj ~ You remind me of the many car owners who have woefully neglected the use of the manual, laying all the blame on the auto-makers for the problems they have encountered with their vehicles.

I have researched scriptures from every continent.
Vj ~ So why the hesitation to point the faults of my scripture?

The search for truth requires us to look from all angles, and not limit ourselves to God or some easy excuses.

Vj ~ The search for truth requires the right attitude, the right teacher and the right (correct) knowledge and has nothing to do with "look from all angles or "not limiting ourselves to God".

We must appreciate the contributions our ancestors have made to our life today.
Vj ~ If you haven't discovered God (truth) yet, then what appreciation can you have for your ancestors?

If the dogmas from the last 4000 years are false why do your hindu/vedic brothers declare that all religions worship the same God?
Vj ~ Had you researched my scripture (site) and its continent of origin you might have found the answer?

Yes, a vegetarian, and I hope to be a vegan because the milk from a cow was meant for the calf and not some fat glutton human.
Vj ~ Or perhaps the milk is meant for the vegetarian instead and not "some fat glutton human" who eats the cow .

Reply to Loving Atheist - Jan 18, 07
You scare me by declaring that you have “found God”......I have not read ALL of “your” scriptures.
Vj ~ A good reason to be scared I must say, but is it sensible to doubt me, when you "have not read ALL of" and don't know my scripture?

After you have lived and observed for at least fifty years you don’t need a teacher.
Vj ~ So you are saying that if one who "have lived and observed for at least fifty years" would have no need a tutor if one decides to be a doctor?

Your guru’s conclusion that you were an idiot probably had nothing to do with your atheistic tendencies.
Vj ~ True, but it cannot be denied that it didn't bring out my humble nature to do honest inquiry.

The formless Brahma? I envy anyone who has experienced samadhi.
Vj ~ I agree, it is only the wise who holds no envy.

That is why some people buy Lexus and Acura. This universe is one big bowl of quantum soup (D. Chopra). There is not one spot on this earth that is geologically sound. Who will create something as unstable and terrifying as this piece of neglected real estate called earth.
Vj ~ So you are saying when the Lexus and Acura become "unstable and terrifying" to drive (depriciation due to driving & aging) inspite of good maintenance, automakers should be faulted? It is the law of nature that all things created (finite) must decay, even the "piece of neglected real estate called earth".

The vedas are without beginning or end. Scholars like Einstein continue to add knowledge to the vedas. All of today’s scientific work is part of the vedas.
Vj ~ Whenever you come to know of my scripture, you will learn that the Vedas is the origin of ethics, morals and all sciences, they are complete (whole and perfect) from their inception and no one can add or nothing can be added to it.

Vj ~ If you haven't discovered God (truth) yet, then what appreciation can you have for your ancestors?
Our ancestors gave us fire, the wheel, and lay the foundation for our modern life. I don’t see any godhanding down a vaccine for polio or aids.
Vj ~ And where did your "ancestors" supposedly got the knowledge from to pass down?

Hindu priests still foolishly declare that all religions are equal, and everybody worships the same god.
Vj ~ That I already know, so how is it revelant to this discussion when I have already declared Hinduism to be a false dogma?

If god wanted vegetarian to drink milk it would have come from a plant.
Vj ~ So a mother would have had to go out and find a plant to feed her infant child? Could it not be the other way around, that he gave us milk instead of us killing the plant, also a living entity?

Actually, soy milk is healthier than cow’s milk.
Vj ~ When you question the wisdom of God, you must think of all human beings. Don't you think it was far easier for the first humans to put their hands on cow's milk rather than soy milk?

The cows and their calves suffer too much on dairy farms.
Vj ~ Don't you know a cow suffers if not milked, as the calf cannot drink enough to relieve the discomfort?

It seems that god intended humans to drink milk only when they are infants.
Vj ~ It is obvious then that it is intended for humans, isn't it?

I like the upanishads
Vj ~ So what makes you think the authors are atheists?

Knowledge of the reality of human existence is different from being certified as a doctor.
Vj ~ So you are saying that we need teachers for everything else, but not for "knowledge of the reality of human existence"?

The original topic was quality, and you insinuated that some auto owners neglect the manuals.

Vj ~ You have completely missed the point. It has nothing to with quality for even that which has quality must decay. I was merely making an analogy, like the Automaker who made the car gave us a manual, a Creator created this earth and gave us a manual (Vedas) also on how to take care (preventive measures) of ourselves and the planet we live on. You have not only ignored the use of the manual but deny the existence of the Maker and now you are faulting Him for the chaos that befalls creation.

Vj ~ And where did your "ancestors" supposedly got the knowledge from to pass it down?
Certainly not from any god or alien creatures.
Vj ~ You still haven't answered the question?

As the top predator and bully we steal the cow's milk simply because we can. It is easier to kill a plant that does not respond to external stimuli like animals do. By typing on your keyboard you are crushing millions of organisms.
Vj ~ Why would you care who steal from whom or who kill who since there is no God and therefore no such thing as virtue and sin (rewards and punishment)?

You never see an adult alligator or horse trying to drink milk from a cow.
Vj ~ I can see how useless this discussion is to you, having this discussion with you is like having it with one in a stupor state as "an adult aligator or horse", who like you, don't drink milk from a cow and perhaps like a tiger or lion who rather eats it.

Reply to Loving Atheist - Jan 20, 07
Yo yo ! Let up on the ego brother.
Vj ~ So now I have an ego for praising you as a wise man.

If there was a god he would prefer you to seek knowledge, think for yourself, then draw conclusions.

Vj ~ So you're saying that because there is no God, you have no need "to seek knowledge, think for yourself, then draw conclusions"?

True knowledge triggers inquiry, not submission.
Vj ~ So which one best describes my work ( website)?

Wise men experience, observe, then reason.
Vj ~ And all this while I thought wise men were above "experience, observe, then reason", for that is what made them wise in the first place.

Vj ~ You have completely missed the point. I was merely making an analogy, like the Automaker who made the car gave us a manual, a Creator created this earth and gave us a manual (Vedas) also on how to take care of ourselves and the planet we live on (prevention). You have not only ignored the use of the manual but deny the existence of the Maker and now you are faulting Him for the chaos that befalls creation
And you missed my point. A brand new car will function flawlessly for a period of time.

Vj ~ Can you not apply the same reasoning to earth, that it was "brand new" when it was first created and did "function flawlessly for a period of time" also?

On the contrary, this earth has been violent, unstable, and inhospitable since its formation.
If it did, it would be the only finite entity that breeches the immutable laws of nature and any theory that is in violation of these laws are false.

There are billions on morons who believe a loving god will these catastrophes to bring us in line. Karma is just a band aid explanation.
Vj ~ I agree with you, but what is the differnce when they also see you as a ungodly moron with an ego.

Vj ~ And where did your "ancestors" supposedly got the knowledge from to pass it down?
Certainly not from any god or alien creatures.
Vj ~ You still haven't answered the question?
They got their knowledge the same way you got yours.
Vj ~ Then you're in agreement that it came from God to the rishis of yore to my guru who taught me.

The first ones learned just from experience.
Vj ~ So why do we have all sorts of institution of learning if experience was enough to learn? It is obvious, according to you the "first ones" didn't know as much as we do now, so what kind of experience was there to pass on?

Thousands probalby loss their lives before they figured out which plants were poisonous.
Vj ~ If they did it was because of ignorance, the fallen state of man, because if a thing brand new function flawlessly for a period of time, as you claimed, there had to be the wisest and purest of all people existing in the beginning.

This is your biggest mistake my friend. We don’t need to believe in a god to figure out what is good, bad, virtuous, or plain stupid.
Vj ~ So if one can get away with it, it is ok to rob a bank or commit adultery, right?

Vj ~ Well I can see how useless this discussion is to you, having this discussion with you is like having it with "an adult aligator or horse", who like you, don't drink milk from a cow or like a tiger or lion rather eats it.
Thank you! I am proud to be an alligator or a horse.
Vj ~ So when you yourself admit you have a jackass' mentality (stupor), what else is there to say? God has no cure for a fool.

We just follow instinct.
Vj ~ You mean those like yourself (the stupor state), for I know this much that humans cannot rely on instinct alone.

We are not foolish to create a god that thinks or acts like us.
Vj ~ Very true, but doesn't that still leaves you a fool when you know nothing of God?

I do drink milk
Vj ~ Now you have not only proven yourself to be a stubborn jackass, but even worst, a blatant liar.

Therefore my friend, why aren’t you man enough to admit that your milk-drinking addiction has negative effects on my fellow creatures.
Vj ~ You see if you didn't have a mule's mentality, you would have researched my site and find that consumption of meat rather than the drinking of milk has the "negative affects".

"Yes, the amount of suffering, a man inflicts on his fellow-beings by polluting the air, and water with the waste products of his system and consequently bringing on disease, becomes the measure of his sin, to atone for which it becomes incumbent on him to perform homa and thereby purify air and water to an extent, equal to, or greater than the mischief he has done." Light of Truth

"I hold that the performance of yajna is most commendable. It consists in showing due respect to the wise, and the learned, in the proper application of the principles of chemistry and physical and mechanical sciences to the affairs of life, in the dissemination of knowledge and culture, in the performance of Agnihotra which, by contributing to the purification of air and water, rain and vegetables, directly promotes the well-being of all sentient creatures." Swami Dayanand

Reply to - LA (Loving Athiest - Jan 23, 07
True knowledge triggers inquiry, not submission
Vj ~ So which one best describes my website?
Submission.
Vj ~ I understand submission to be, when one, void of reasoning, surrenders to a belief system without any further investigation or inquiry of the others. Why not try to cease being a brainless twit for a minute and look into my work before concluding?

If I judge a god by its followers, then your god needs some serious therapy.
Vj ~ Seems to me that you can't even be honest with yourself even in this dialogue. You haven't said anything of my faith so far, so how could you possibly judge me or my God?
Even though I was an atheist at a very young age, I couldn't remember being that stupid at anytime.

How the pure and eternal soul got trapped in this collection of atoms is the only debate that was never resolved by vedic philosophers.
Vj ~ It was resolved by the rishis and they found out that God has no cure for a fool, so how would you ever come to know what it is?

Reply to - LA - Indian callousness - a disgrace - Jan 23, 07
I will create a flat planet for my favorite species, humans, and call them my children. They will look like me, speak like me, and inherit all of my attributes like greed, jealousy, hatred, ignorance, stupidity, selfishness, etc. I will reveal myself to a select few who will teach the rest of the world about me and my wishes.....more
Vj ~ Why all the fuss my friend of what others are doing to screw the planet, aren't you out to save it anyways.....
"by walking when practical, use the stairs to navigate a few floors, use energy efficient lighting, turn down the temp in your house, recycle, and be alert for ways to consume less. Save the inhabitants by volunteering at you local humane society, protest the abuse of animals, boycott Canadian products because the government permits the clubbing of baby seals for their fur to cover human *******"

Dear maharaj, please step down from your golden throne and help. If you cannot...at lest pretend you have a heart.
Vj ~ Remember according to atheists' philosophy, the universe and us came into being by an accident without any purpose - all is for nought. Why should anyone have a heart and help? What's in it for one in the end, bone-head? "Charity begins at home" my friend, if you don't have a heart for your own soul, there isn't much you can show for any other sentient beings.

boycott Canadian products because the government permits the clubbing of baby seals for their fur to cover human bitches".
Vj ~ Well the idea of slaughtering animals of any kind started with your cavemen (eskimos) ancestors, so the "*******" you should be mad with is your mother and grandmother and their mothers before that.

The word in asterisks was witches (replace the w with a b)
Vj ~ Thank you for letting me know what your mother and her ancestors were.
PS. It's unfortunate you don't have the good sense to study my work before dialogue.

Vj ~ Remember according to atheists' philosophy, the universe and us came into being by an accident without any purpose - all is for nought. Why should anyone have a heart and help? What's in it for one in the end, bone-head?
Creation was an accident; it happened suddenly. Evolution took billion of years, and the process continues, so there is hope for you.
Vj ~ Man your head must be full of mule's manure. You've only repeated what I said but didn't answer the questions. If everything is accidental (without purpose) who cares who kill or be killed?

Humans do good because some of us have evolved to a state where we can empathize with other creatures.
Vj ~ So if you have fully evolved, why are you so upset of those (baby seal-killers and the ****** fur wearers) who haven't yet?

It is obvious you have a very long way to go
Vj ~ Maybe, but where evolution says that we must all evolved fully as you have at the same time.Believer or nonbeliever, you are the most idiotic and selfish hypocrite I ever came across
Vj ~ Thank you for the compliment even though I am yet to kill a baby-seal or eat any meat. But if you are an example of one fully evolved by what you claimed to be, then you must understand that those (ignorant) who believe in god, kill and drink milk, like your ancestors, and given the time will one day fully evolve also.

You believe that a god exists because you are afraid but you definitely do not believe IN a god.
Vj ~ I never said I believe in God.

Yoh retard! The Eskimos slaughtered adult animals out of necessity for warm garments to survive the cold.
Vj ~ And what do you think they use it for today? And isn't it obvious, the population is greater now and that there might not be enough adult animals to do the job?

YOUR ancestors used similar skills to survive.
Vj ~ Speak of yours my friend, you haven't got the brains to study my way of life so there isn't much you can say of my ancestors.

The seal babykillers sell the fur to manufacturers who cater to wealthy women that wear them to make a fashion statement.
Vj ~ Well, if some evolved more than others, to such wealthy condition to afford it, who is to be blamed? Perhaps, if the theory of evolution had evolved with certain code of ethics and conduct, humans would have probably behaved in a better fashion.

What do you call women who encourage white Canadian cavemen to club a baby seal on its head so the death blow will not inflict any damage on the rest of the fur?
Vj ~ I will call them atheists, for everything is by chance and no purpose. All of creation is accident and there is nothing to lose even if it is baby animals being slaughtered. So they live and enjoy for today as there is no tomorrow. In my philosophy there is such a thing as sin (pain and suffering), and it is a deterent, but in evolution what is to deter anyone from wrong doings especially if it is legal.

I call them witches (b). They are worst than prostitutes.
Vj ~ Since the tenet of evolution didn't come with ethics and morals, perhaps you and them are not meant to be any different.

Actually, the baby seals try to move closer to their human murderers the same way your pet dog will approach when you pet him.
Vj ~ If people like you, continues to reject and revile the manual (code of ethics and morals) God cannot be blamed for it. As I said before if you show utter neglect for your car by rejecting the manual, you cannot blame the Maker, for the problems you encounter.

And how does god’s creation treat them?
A more sensible question, would be, how do you treat God?

Your mother was probably a hard working and decent person.
Vj ~ Not only that, she taught me that no matter what the conditions of the world are reduced to, never call a woman a (b)witch or prostitute. Did your mother miss something?

Her only sin was to give birth to rakshas like you. I may be insulting the rakshas by putting you in their category, if that is so, I apologize to the rakshas.
Vj ~ You should know, "Rakshas" are atheists and baby seal-killers, so no problem, you fit right in.

I pray you have not studied your own work because if that information has turned you into a bitter, egotistic, unstable, ignorant, wretched, and conceited peacock, I will avoid it, and just be a bone-head.
Vj ~ It is better to be all those things and be happy, than to be a bonehead unhappy and restless of what the world has become, rife with pain and misery.

Reply to - LA - Jan 26, 07
I am typing very slowly since you can’t read or grasp ideas at normal pace.
Vj ~ Can you imagince how difficult it must have been for your ancestors, as illiterates trying to teach how to "read or grasp ideas at normal pace". It's interesting though that today no learning is successful without academics as tutors, but it was possible without them earlier (in the beginning). Who could ever believe illiterates could be such genius, but atheists?

We do good because it is our nature to treat others with respect and kindness.
Vj ~ You do good because that is your choice, but what code of conduct exists to lead others (seal killers) to do the same? You feel good because of "respect and kindness" and they the seal killers feel good because they make a lots of money (a livelihood). What's the difference when there is no reward or punishment for virtue or sin?

Let me reiterate, there are no rules, philosophies, or conventions governing atheists.

Vj ~ But jackass, you want the seal-killers, (b)witches and prostitutes to be governed by them!

Vj ~ I never said I believe in God.
Gee, I guess the world won’t rest until your highness reveal your beliefs.
Vj ~ You can relax, it would do no good for those whose source knowledge is from a monkey.

You are much older than I thought.
Vj ~ Funny, I had no doubt you were all mule's manure-in-the-head from the start.

I originally made reference to commercial seal hunters and not the Eskimos.
Vj ~ Eskimos kill to keep themselves warm and commercial seal hunters kill to keep others warm, both groups derived a livelihood, what's the difference lame-brain?

Our ancestors could only come from two sources.
Vj ~ You mean either of two sources. Whatever it is, it must confirm with natural laws which calls for such an event to be steady or non-ceasing. So it is definitely not from an ape or any lower creature. If you don't know anything of the functions of natural laws I can teach you, that is if you have the brains and humility to learn.

Mine evolved from apes (animals whose genetic makeup is 98% similar to yours).
Vj ~ I might tend to believe you since you think and perhaps act like one, but I know better. If we evolved from apes, humans should continue to evolve from them, as long as there are apes around, a law, which calls for steady or repeated occurrences.

And in your case, a product of incest which is not that bad since that practice is common among god’s people in some parts of the world.
Vj ~ Now you are brainless, it seems that more than one ape evolved into humans to avoid incest and if such is the case, why aren't apes always evolving, even now? And show me where in my scripture that it says the human race descended from one man and one woman.

All wars, invasions, and killing of innocent animals have been organized and sanctioned by religions.
Vj ~ You mean the "religions" you know about, lamebrain, and not the one you don't want to know about.

You are just a rude and crude dude. Your stupidity shines through your thought pattern, and you will continue to act like a moron if you read all of the books, visit all places of worship, or meditate until trees grow around you. Give up the pride.
Vj ~ Seems to me stupid you love it all, why else are you here? Don't you have any more "stairs to walk" or "time for the needy"? You must have some confidence in me, since you are insisting that I do something for the baby seals.

Vj ~ Since the tenet of evolution didn't come with ethics and morals, perhaps they are not meant to be any different.
Boy, you do need help to walk the straight and narrow path. Do you not know the difference between what is right and what is wrong?
Vj ~ That's my point idiot - why do we need to know the difference if there is no purpose, no rewards or punishment for virtue or sin?

Is every moment of your wretched life dictated by some ancient teachings?

Vj ~ My "wretched life" is happy one for I know I can't save the world, but certainly can save my own soul. But I must say your constant complaints of what the world has become do indicate how fill your life is with "wretched moments", leaving you a very unhappy man.

.Vj ~ Really, so much respect that you labelled them w(b)itches. All I did was to remind you that if they are (b)witches it was because your ancestors started it.
LA – The human female population is divided into ladies, women, bitchtes, etc, etc. They are even mentioned in the vedas and the puranas.
Vj ~ The Vedas says one must first be free of faults before pointing out the faults of others. In other words, learn to swim before teaching it.

Vj ~ Not only that, she taught me that no matter what the conditions of the world is reduced to, never call a woman a (b)witch or prostitute. Did your mother miss something?
Man, you are so full of it. I doubt such conversation ever took place.
Vj ~ Why, don't you want any one to know that my mother, the descendant of created beings, gave better instructions that your mother, the descendant of apes.

There will be prostitutes and (b)itches whether your mother acknowledges their existence or not.
Vj ~ She knows that, but she meant, that we must first correct our misgivings before point out the misgivings of others.

Semantics don’t change anything.
Vj ~ I know, that's why I still insist your a jackass.

I don’t know what my mother missed, because as a heterosexual male I was mostly influenced by my father.
Vj ~ He must have been a descendant of a chieftain chimpanzee.

Vj ~ It is better to be all those things and be happy, than to be a bonehead unhappy and restless of what the world has become.
Your happiness reminds of Saddam Hussein when he saw American troops in Iraq.
Vj ~ Your happiness reminds me of when he was about to be hanged.

You are nothing less than a miserable old fool that would like regain your youth so you can continue in your sinful ways
Vj ~ I didn't visit a doctor for 25 years for any reason whatsoever, but lately on the insistance of my family I did go for a check up and at 60, I am as healthy as one half my age, he reported. So yes I have my youth still, and as for miserable, it is far from the truth. I retired 10 years ago and I am enjoying every bit of it. I am up every morning at 3am doing the right things, study, meditate and excercise (practice of yoga) for I refuse to become a burden to family and society at any time in my life. And far as it goes for sin, you are the one who must worry about it, as you don't know what it is or its result.

I can get a good night’s sleep because I have made a difference, and there is less suffering in the world. Shalom !!
Vj ~ It is not "a good night's sleep" that brings one to this board, it is restlessness and doubts and you are full of it. If there are "less suffering in the world", it is because you are still sleeping. In reality, decay is imminent and pain and suffering will continue its euphoric flow bringing forth the worst yet in mankind until the end.

Reply to LA - Jan 29, 07
Vj ~ I know, that's why I still insist your a jackass.
I thought your mother taught you to “first correct our misgivings before point out the misgivings of others”.
Vj ~ I did correct my misgivings, how else would I know you are an ass or ape or whatever.

I was more than an ass
Vj ~ So I was right all this time, why then are you so upset?

I have seen Taliban fanatics with more intelligence and civility that you will ever possess.
Vj ~ Man, you're in good hands, now you even know how to get to paradise.

Your so-called guru must be one of those fakes who go after vulnerable women.
Vj ~ In that case, you'd better check with your mother, we could be related.

I came here as the devil's advocate to see if you have any substance or convictions.
Vj ~ Sorry to have disappointed you, my friend. Even God has no cure for a fool. Perhaps I could have helped if you came looking for a purpose.

Thank god I am an atheist.
Vj ~ At the least you are thankful for something. I thank the same God also for not being an ass, ah, I meant no longer an atheist.

I act according to my conscience.
Vj ~ That should make the Guiness Book of world records - the first ass with a conscience.

You have none, and I forgive you.
Vj ~ Actually who needs it when there is no purpose in having one. All is for nothing in the end.

Dope, your baby-killing cousins are murdering animals that are unable to defend themselves, and it my job to stop you and them.
Vj ~ What about all other animals (cows, sheep, pigs, goats, etc.) and birds (chicken, turkey, ducks, etc.) that you eat, aren't they unable to defend themselves too or are you really a jackass too stupid to defend them.

It is a trait from birth
Vj ~ So was it a trait also for the first human who evolved from a monkey?

you acquire it through knowledge and experience.
Vj ~ So who was the one with "knowledge and experience" to teach the first human?

Gee dude, do I have to teach you every freaking thing?
Vj ~ Not really, I figured out you to be jackass all by myself, didn't I?

Reply to LA - Jan 31, 07
Canada’s commercial hunting of harp and hooded seals is largest mass murder of marine mammals in the world.
Vj ~ You have to blame your primitive ancestors who laid down no laws, order, rules or purpose for not killing.
Remember, there is no such thing as "what you sow that will you reap". So who cares, when everything is just an acciden. Why worry my friend, it will all blow away someday, just like it came into being.

The descendants of monkey ancestors not enough for you?
Vj ~ I know the descendants are smart because of schooling, but I want to know how the illiterate (ignorant) ancestors were such geniuses to pass on such knowledge.

Now, did your god hate previous generations and kept scientific information from them? Knowledge of physics or chemistry was limited or nonexistent 200 years ago, and thousands of scientists are experimenting and gathering more information in these areas. Our generation is “blessed” with modern amenities that your parents or grandparents never enjoyed.
Vj ~ If you want to know what my ancestors enjoyed you will have to make the effort to study my scripture as I did of evolution.

Have you ever lifted a finger to help an animal or a person?
Vj ~ Well my site is about helping people (souls), who by the way should help themselves first before helping an animal. But you have the right idea, I am trying to hit two birds with one stone here - helping you as an ass (animal) and a human at the same time.

You strike me as someone who is ashamed of your own parents
Vj ~ Not as much, as I am of your primate ancestors.

Vj ~ So who was the one with "knowledge and experience" to teach the first human?
The first humans did not fly jet planes or carried around a laptop. If god taught us those things he would taught the first humans too.
Vj ~ Perhaps he did, but did your ape ancestors ever cared? When I don't have to fly or carry around a laptop, I consider such free time a blessing. Think of how much pollution the earth and its inhabitants have to endure because of such sciences. So if it is pain (inconvience), why would God encourage it.

Gee dude, do I have to teach you every freaking thing?
Not really, I figured out you to be jack-a-s-s all by myself, didn't I?
Seems like mommy taught you that when you disagree with someone you should stick to name calling.
Vj ~ Well if you are stuck to idea that you evolved from an ass or an ape or whatever, it is difficult to avoid the "name calling"? It is not good to disown your heritage, be proud of it.

We resort to name calling and profanity when our vocabulary is limited or the brain is short circuited because of a chemical imbalance.
Vj ~ Or perhaps some of us (myself and the seal killers) like your ape ancestors, haven't fully evolved yet?

I can’t believe that a person who claims to practise yoga will behave like he just stepped out of a brothel.
Vj ~ Well what you'd expect when you are behaving like w-hore.

You are an intelligent person,and you need to just state the facts, and not get personal.
Vj ~ Well you leave me no choice, you respond when I get personal and completely ignore the facts.

Drop the name calling and insults dawg !!!!!
Vj ~ Welcome to the club of "intelligent person" ass!

From Arya Putra to LA ans all others - Feb 7, 07
Email:nityashudhabudhamuktasubhava@yahoo.com
Let’s cut to the chase. You are an immortal being—your consciousness, i.e., YOU, have always existed and will always exist (in one form or another, or with no form at all). Your real nature is to be non-violent. To be other than that is painful, and causes suffering to your self and others. Embodied as a human being, your real nature is manifested in your humanness. If you are not humane, you are not your self, instead you are a liar.

You, my friend, are not a liar but you are ignorant of your higher nature. You were born that way. All of us were born ignorant, but it is only our ego that keeps us that way. If we get our ego out of the way, we will realize who and what we really are, always have been, and always will be. This is the challenge. This is the Game of Life.

Vijay is nobody’s antagonist. Human beings are antagonized by their own stupidity. It is stupid not to get to the bottom of the matter. The roots of this tree of life are upward, and its branches downward. The origins of this Universe can be traced to Consciousness, and not the other way around. To realize our origins we must be original thinkers and not get stuck in any mental mold, whether religious or atheistic. All images are hallucinations of the mind, whether intellectual in nature or very crude (as in blind faith and religious artifacts).

Through this website, Mr. Singh is taunting us to look into the matter of Truth from a fresh perspective. That perspective is ever-new and yet as old as time itself. It is not necessary to believe this in order to ascertain the truth (or not) of what he is saying, but it is necessary to at least go through the materials on his site thoroughly before one can come to a sound conclusion (as to the veracity of those materials).

Being of a scientific mind, you will surely admit that there are fundamental particles which are the building blocks of the Universe. Likewise, there are basic underlying principles according to which the Universe (i.e., all matter) comes into being, is sustained, and ultimately dissolved. Since this Universe is observed to exhibit an intelligent design, it is unrealistic to assume that there must be an intelligent ‘Designer’ behind the design. If we accept that there is an intelligent ‘Designer’ (Creator), then we might also conclude that this Universe is sustained and dissolved by that same Supreme Intelligence. We can call that Supreme Intelligence the Supreme Being or the Supreme Consciousness.

Of course, we should ‘assume’ nothing and accept nothing without proof. As the saying goes, “The proof is in the pudding.” In this case, the proof is in our PRACTICES. It all boils down to what we are doing to get to the bottom of the matter. If we are removing all our images, misconceptions, anger, hostility, excuses, and other ego manifestations, then we are really getting to the bottom of the matter (because in so doing, we are removing our material nature, and ultimately realize we are simply pure consciousness).

If you are inclined to arrive at a deeper understanding of Reality, you will find many of the materials on Mr. Singh’s site to be quite useful. This does not mean it is infallible. The inspiration behind all the materials on his site is Maharishi Dayananda Saraswati, who readily admitted to his own humanness, and who never played holy or pretended to be perfect. Though Mr. Singh has referred to Maharishi Dayananda as ‘The Last Reformer,’ he surely realizes there will never be a ‘last reformer’ because each and every one of us must reform ourselves. In the words of the great sage, Dayananda: “You are the problem, you are the solution.”

Those who are looking for a solution will find Mr. Singh’s site an eye-opener. It will help people to look at themselves and realize that they have been deluding themselves for so long. Some people will turn away in anger, others in turmoil, some with gratitude or appreciation, and some will just enjoy this brief moment and continue their journey in Eternity.

Your well-wisher,
Arya Putra

No rest for the wicked - sounds like you've been toting the bible lately.
Vj ~ Sounds like your in doubt.

Take a vacation to Mexico or Hawaii.
Vj ~ I sleep only 5 hours and the rest of the time I am on vacation. Vacation in Mexico or Hawai, where you don't know if you are going to make it a back alive is for the restless and wicked.

PEACE (or do you prefer SHANTI)
Vj ~ It is only the wicked and restless who use it.

Not only in doubt but I am shocked
Vj ~ That's good, its nice to know you're prepared for the greatest shock of your next birth.

At your stage in life, shouldn’t you move away from the rajasic lifestyle to a more satvic one.
Vj ~ It's indeed a good suggestion, but in the tamasic state you are not an authority in giving advice to the rajasic, muchless the Satvic.

I have compared you to many things but chicken never crossed my mind. Afraid of air turbulence, robbers, dumb terrorists, or the ocean. Hydrophobia can be conquered by gradually stepping into the water, and you should be able to tolerate water up to your knees after a couple of weeks.
Vj ~ Not really, it is called the state of contentment. It is above and beyond any vacation any where in this world.

Tamasic state is synonymous with early retirement.
Vj ~ It is easy to note that you haven't fully evolved from the stupor state of your ape ancestors. Man your so confused - here is what you said previously "At your stage in life, shouldn’t you move away from the rajasic lifestyle to a more satvic one."

It shows you are sitting on your brains, an action worst than a jackass.

Is Arya Putra the other part of your dual personality.
Vj ~ This confirms your stupidity that he spoke of.

He hasn't made a case to support the existence of a god or a being superior to us.
Vj ~ He is trying to tell you that only the learned knows they cannot prove the existence of God to an idiot. It is like proving it to a jackass.

Reply to LA - Feb 13, 07
Vj ~ He is trying to tell you that only the learned knows they cannot prove the existence of God to an i-d-i-o-t. It is like proving it to a jack-a-s-s.
During hatha yoga you should exclude the Tubaisics asana. Instead of bolting a couple of two by six pieces of boards together, and head-butting them dozens of times, you should attempt the Vrischika asana (scorpion pose).
Vj ~ It didn't seem to do you any good, either? It is the reason you are the jackass and I am the one to tell you that. Gyaan (knowledge) yoga is the first, foremost and most important of all the branches of yoga. You should try it, my friend.

The ancient rishis and gurus said that Raja yoga was the foremost and most important yoga, and named it the king of yoga.
Vj ~ They also said that those who believe humans evolved from apes are brainless twits and therefore an obvious burden to creation.

For me, Karma yoga takes front stage.
Vj ~ Virtue practiced in ignorance is still ignorance (avidya). In short, you are a mental case, who speaks of yoga, a gift of God and not from some ape in the past.

Also, regarding Mr. Singh’s site, you said that you are “very familiar with its contents,” but this does not seem possible. Many of the other views you hold are actually in agreement with those espoused on his site. Have you read his section on Atheism and the remarks of well known persons like L. Burbank, Eiestien, Mark Twain? Maharishi Dayananda (the inspiration behind Mr. Singh’s site) was very much against blind faith, false religion, dogma, animal sacrifices, etc. Why not reference a specific passage from Mr. Singh’s site and invite his rebuttal? Though much of the dialog (between yourself and Mr. Singh)is entertaining, it could be a lot more enlightening if you addressed specific points in his site.

I never made any disparaging remarks about Mr. Singh’s website; I am very familiar with its contents. It took years of research to acquire and organize that information.
Vj ~ You haven't said anything good about it either, until now and I doubt your sincerity since you haven't brought up any of it's for discussion.

I also thank and pity the poor individual he must have forced to do the typing
Vj ~ They don't need pity my friend, for they will be well rewarded. It is your present state of mind needs pity.

I started a debate and Mr. Singh who showed his displeasure by insulting me, my mother, and my animal ancestors.
Vj ~ Shouldn't you be thanking me instead, because of me, at the very least, you now know that you are weak and ignorant and can be insulted at anytime. So won't you like to become one above insult or praise?

True to his namesake, golfing will do him some good.
Vj ~ I do golf, but it is the wisdom that protects me from being insulted at anytime and that is most gratifying.

Reply to - Loving Atheist - There is no cure for a fool! - Feb 14, 07
Mr Bram a.k.a Arya Putra. First, why not use the real names of your parents, i.e., Bram, proud son of So and So of Delhi or Calcutta.
Vj ~ The learned are always proud of everything that contributed to their success (wisdom). So we don't have to be specific of one.

I never mixed YOU up with Bram or Arya Putra.
Vj ~ Oh yes, didn't I read something you said of me having a dual personality when Arya Putra came on board?

Those guys are in the big league.
Vj ~ Well don't expect them to tell you are a jackass, for they know too, God has no cure for a fool.

Arya (noble) Putra (purifier) exhibited discipline, intelligence, calm, and class.
Vj ~ No doubt about it, but what good is that to you, when you can't give up the idea your ancestors evolved from apes?

I suggest you adopt a pet for companionship in your studio apartment. A dog or a bird will be perfect but they require a lot of time and work.
Vj ~ You're are so right man, my "time and work" cannot cure your ignorance, but I may have better luck with a "dog or a bird". Thank you for the suggestion, bro!

I suggest you get a monkey that magically disappears when you step away from the mirror
Vj ~ Not because it worked for you and your ancestors, it will work for me.

Who cares about baby seals, cattle, pigs, and the other devils that occupy our mother earth. If they suffer, it is due to their karma. If I stop their pains I will be interfering with God’s laws”.
Vj ~ Well if God cannot stop their pains, you will have to be above Him to do better. You don't even know why you are suffering, so what would you know of their suffering?

I suggest you get a monkey that magically disappears when you step away from the mirror.
Vj ~ Not because it worked for you and your ancestors, it will work for me.

Your God did not provide mirrors for them.
Vj ~ Smart God I would say, He knew they were monkeys, so why would they need mirror?

Arya Putra - VJ’s site provides a wealth of information and knowledge (and wisdom). Anyone who goes through the materials on his site cannot but help to come to a deeper grasp of the truth.
LA you've put your ego on trial by your own words - "Arya (noble) Putra (purifier) exhibited discipline, intelligence, calm, and class."

I don’t understand big or fancy words but if “maverick” means a mad man, you are 100 pecent correct about Vijay!
Vj ~ I repeat, only the wise knows who is wise and who is a fool? If I am a "mad man", that could only mean you are wise.

The stark reality is, the needy (sick, homeless, etc.) are relegated to such pain and misery because of their own deeds (what you and I spoke of constantly), abandon by those close to them to life of misery - pain, boredom and other discomforts of life. They have only begun serving their sentences for killing baby-seals, witches with a b and prostitutes wearing fur coats, slaughtering and consuming the flesh of innocent animals (especially cows), drinking alcohol,worshipping a false god, denying the existence of God and much more.

You in your ignorance help them out of the fear that you will end up like them (loneliness and boredom is a terrible thing) and will be in need of assistance also.

I, on the other hand, who know how they got there, certainly know how to avoid such future predicament for myself and anyone who is willing to follow the messages of the rishis.

"There is no turpitude in drinking alcohol, consuming flesh or committing adultery, for that is natural way of created beings, but abstinance brings great reward." Manu

True. Knowledge is the only beam of light to lead us out the darkness of ignorance.
Vj ~ Take note! I said "the correct knowledge" which you have no idea of.

But billions, due to circumstances, never acquired knowledge but dedicated their entire lives to selfless service.
Vj ~Take note again! I said "virtue practiced in ignorance is still ignorance."

then we need to gather ALL scriptures and start the mother of all fires.
Vj ~ You can burn all the scriptures, but never the truth.

And what an opportunity to serve your God by seeing the atman within those sinners and helping them out of their miseries.
Vj ~ And how do you know your "misery" have been taken care of? My site is the testament of how much I care for all living species on this planet, but your demonstration of a twisted ego is a perfect example of why it will never take hold.

I rather see healthy persons consume alcohol in moderation than people with diabetes, arthritis, heart disease, high blood pressure, cancer, etc. consume foods forbidden by their docs or nutritionists.
Vj ~ And when else do you think they drink?

That was a low blow, dude.
Vj ~ There is no other way of whipping a jackass who is stubbornly bent on destroying is own soul.

“Dear God, I look not for fame, fortune, or salvation. Give me strength to dance in this samsara so I can repeatedly serve you..
Vj ~ God is All-wise and cannot be served in ignorance, but by acquiring true knowledge through study and practice.

I surely hope that you are correct dawg. From the bottom of my heart. From the bottom of my heart!!!
Vj ~ The ignorant can only "hope", but the learned know. So, I have nothing to lose or but much to gain by your ignorance, because only "the wise can draw nectar (wisdom) from poison (ignorance).

How will you react if witnesses never intervened when you or a family member are being brutalised? Should they turn the other way and think, “Oh! he/she must have done something bad in previous lives, and if I do something bad to the criminal I will have to pay for my karma”.
Vj ~ There are only two kinds of people in this world, the righteous (a rare few) and the unrighteous (majority) and you have written the truth of latter. The former like myself and family, Arya Putra and my guru are protected by Dharma or if you want to call it God, you can.

Dayananda Saraswati was not only a vedic or dharmic reformer but he was mostly a social reformer, and his noble actions threatened the status quo of the British and the ignorant brahmins. He could have said the British presence in Bharata was justified because the millions of Indians must have accumulated bad karma.
Vj ~ He did justified the presence of the British as a good omen for the ignorant masses who were bent on destroying themselves. He said had it not been for the British his mission would have ended before it even got started. Any form of unrighteousness is the result of bad karma, it is the reason why it necessary to seek the correct knowledge to avoid it.

As a member of the unrighteous majority I will just to have to settle for the goodness of strangers who are too ignorant to notice I am paying for past deeds.
Vj ~ The choice is yours, my friend. Compulsion being so, not all souls will be inclined to seek truth of the Vedic philosophy.

I have learnt a lot from your writings despite the fact that we see truth from a different angle.
Vj ~ You may have a different angle but it is certainly not the same truth as Arya Putra and I you see. Truth is in harmony with reasoning and science and in conformity with natural laws. It is one the same and for all in all ages and doesn't have any "different angle".

Reply to Arya Putra - Feb 17, 07
We learn this wisdom by sitting at the feet of those who know it, and those who know it are those who live it.
Vj ~ Aryaji, these last few lines were all you need to write. I have listened to such lectures all through my childhood days into mid grihast life and frankly speaking it didn't make a dent on my way of life then. It was only when I met my Guru, his method and guidance began a whole new me.

When LA or Guru or Ape or whatever he calls himself says you are "Arya (noble) Putra (purifier) exhibited discipline, intelligence, calm, and class", he sees himself as the same, so why would he need to make any changes?

WARNING: If you possess one gram of human decency, these articles WILL disturb you.
Vj ~ It is good to point out the misgivings of this world, but it is even more wrong to do so in the state of ignorance.
Save your own soul before the world, it is the only way you can die a happy man.

Dear learned one. Thanks for your kind advice.
Vj ~ You are most welcome.

I am sorry the articles did not “disturb” you.
Vj ~ If it did, it would have meant I am in the same ignorant state as you are.

Vj ~ If it did, it would have meant I am in the same ignorant state as you are.
And may your camel take you to a mirage so you can dive into the clear blue water.
Vj ~ As long as you refrained from perusing my site, you are the one seeing a mirage.
Think about it, how can any sensible person ever believe you care for anything in this world while showing such utter neglect for your own soul?

Not in a hurry for moksha
Vj ~ That's my point, so why all the fuss about, the baby-seal and their clubbers and fur wearers? Perhaps they are not in a hurry for moksha either. Besides, it is only the few ready for moksha have the authority to scold the guilty of the world's evil.

When you return there will be more advanced technology and you will be able to disseminate your knowledge to a wider audience.
Vj ~ It is modern technology that is distracting mankind from the truth. So you can counting on it to be worst with "more advanced technology".

I appreciate your concern but I am not worried about my self (soul).
Vj ~ Well you've company, I am not worried about you either.

My life had not been easy but I wouldn't trade my experiences for any other.
Vj ~ Perhaps the same was said too, by those who are now begging for the right to die (euthanasia).

I have visited your site many times, and I was awakened by the facts I discovered there.
Vj ~ So why bother to show up here, if you weren't ready for moksha

I even read parts of your book, and gathered that you were a punk and did not listen to your good parents.
Vj ~ It is those who are not ready for moksha that will be more interested IN what I was rather than what I have become.

That’s the scary part: what you have become.
Vj ~ Now I can detect some honesty in you which is good. It is very true, the ignorant bonded to an ego will always fear the truth and those who propagate it.

Use "correct knowledge" but for (the non-existent) God's sake, apply some logics, and simple reasoning.

Vj ~ Perhaps dude, that is what is missing (correct knowledge for (non-existent), since the knowledge for (existent) isn't working.

Feb 24, 07 by Vijai Singh

Materially big corporations which are responsible for most of the damages to our environment only do what they do because of our thirst (more of want than need) for their product. And spiritually, false dogmas in the name of Chrisitianity, Islam, etc. are even doing worst as they promote the greatest evil of all by promoting and condoning the complete destruction of intellectual reasoning. If we change our way of thinking and living they too will have to change. With all said and done, it is obvious that if these rich and famous from the pulpits who are leading the way to save our world cannot change their way of very high life and thinking as an example for others to follow, no one is going to change.

Illegal drugs pose an imminent danger to lives especially in wealthy countries but instead of educating the people, they spent billions in unsuccessful covert operation to destroy the source. Guns are even a greater danger, but who is going after the manufacturers? On the other hand, false religions seem to welcome the misery they create, it does not only allow them to show how powerful their God is at healing and granting redemption from sins but it promotes their primary motive to prolong the miseries to justify their clandestine effort of collecting huge sums of money. As the cause (dogmas) of poverty and destitution continue to ravish the planet on a large scale, the merciful act of receiving a great deal and giving a little, in the name of Christianity, Islam, etc., will continue its euphoric flow. So, greed is in for the long haul, it has become a way of life even for those are pretending to do something about it.

I can boldly proclaim that I have done my part in setting the example needed to give extended life to all present and future inhabitants of this planet. It is so minor that it hasn't created that of an effect where the masses will ever noticed, which I knew from the start it wouldn't do. But the idea of a great reward for my soul is enough a motivation for me to continue until the end. In truth, we should strive, however few we are, to be motivated by our own spiritual quest of seeking the truth and rejecting what is false, even though we will lose the fight for global sanctity, we can hold on to the fact that redemption of the soul was never in vain.

Reply to Ben on Monday, May 7, 2007
Thanks Vj, I will continue to read the info on your site. If you have truth to be found, I will find it. I have seen several time you refer to the immutible laws of nature. What exactly are these? Observable truth, or revealed? Ben
Vj ~ Ah! Indeed, excellent question, try the link on natural laws and try to see if you can understand anything of it.
If mankind can only understand how these laws (of nature) works, they will be in the best position to ascertain truth from untruth, even if they don't know anything of the Vedas.
PS
Feel free to use my discussion board, so that others can learn through our blessings.

Reply to Ben on May 10th, 2007
Hey Vj, I found the answer to my question. (Immutiable Laws of Nature) I find various problems with your philosophy when compared to what we do observe in nature.
Vj ~ Of course, you will find various problems! How can you not, when you are not fully matured in this knowledge? While it s good to ask questions you must keep in mind the four sudsidiary means of reasoning and apply it constantly to remove all doubts. Remember as I said before time and effort are essential to make progress.

How do you account for the fact that we are 99.9 % gnentically identical to chimps?
Vj ~ Not only that do you know we are all 100% matter? Genetics of any kind do not prove or unprove what we are.

If reincarnation is true, and we (humans) are the pinnicle of creation, (ie the ideal choise to be born as) and as far as I know, the only creatures who are able to make right and wrong decisions, thus influencing karma or whatever. It would seem inconsistant with any geological evidence that we have so far.
Vj ~ No evidence of in kind is true if it does not conform to natural laws

If I am correct, science has shown that human beings (at our current form) have only been around for aproximately 250,000 years. Other life has been around far longer than us. That, if prooved to be correct, would seem to contradict the idea of rebirth. How could any animial before the existence of humans done any actions that were right or wrong if they do not have the ability to reason, or have no concept of self. And why would those actions be viewed as right or wrong. What would one alligator do, that a different alligator would not do that would cause the first to be reborn as something else and the second to be reborn again as an aligator? I hope that made sence.
Vj ~ Souls are eternal and so is creation and dissolution. What is seen in this creation is the same as in previous and will be in future ones. Animals are stupor, they are born in such conditions because of prior evil actions (as humans). Only a human soul is accountable for rewards and punishment. Souls are beyond counting and they take birth only when the conditions are right. So even souls from the last creation is still around awaiting for rebirth and not only on this planet but on in other solar systems that exist. Science alone does not have all the answers. Science cannot account for the origin of soul, matter and thus the origin of creation itself so how can it tell us how long human beings were around for? Read the link on creation (http://www.oocities.org/vijaisingh/creation.html) to better understand how the Rishis by a basic formula passed on the age of creation until now.

I didn't present the question very well. Also the idea that mankind only progresses forward does not seem to be a immutiable law of nature, as many cultures have regressed in the past. Mayans, Aztecs, Greece, Rome, Egypt, dark ages, ect.
Vj ~ We call it retrogression and decadence in this age of Kaliyug (dark) and progression is measured my righteousness and not by the progress in the material form. Many empires have come an gone with in the past 5000 years, but only the Aryan empire lasted the longest, from the beginning to 5000 years ago. Think of it, what do you know that we have created (a house, car, ship, airplane, wrist watch, etc.) that wasn't new and then start to decay. Now apply the same reasoning to our planet where righeousness (innocence and purity) was abound, where there was crime, no disease, no global warming, no wars, etc.

Also, I believe that our faculty for reasoning is the cause for the knowledge we do have, and not necessarily from a God. How do you explain obvious cases of primitive cultures who gain "truth" without adhereing to Vedas. Such as the Mayans (pantheon of gods) discovering the concept of the numerical value of zero.
Vj ~ Vj ~ There has always been a necessity for learning institution for as long as we know, and if it is so now, it will continue to be so in the future and so it must have been from the very beginning of creation. If they had retained the truth they gained they would not have fallen and because they have fallen they lost it somewhere along the line. Before 5000 years ago all the nations of the world belonged to the Vedic religion, so whatever efforts were made to keep some of it is the reason they are still around.

Is English your native language, or is it an acquired tongue?
Vj ~ Like the language of reasoning, it is acquired.

Reply to DW on June 4th , 2007
No, I do not understand the slightest what you are talking about.
Vj ~ I wouldn't expect you to either. The feeble mind cannot readily grasp this truth unless it is prepared to follow the instructions given in preparing the intellect for it.

So, am I to assume that everyone is feeble minded but you? Could it be that those who make assumptions about people and make absolute statements are truly lacking in intelligence?
Vj ~ I never have to assume, I know, it is a reward for years of study and mostly practice. Yes, when it comes to the most obstruse science of the Divine (truth), those who make assumptions are lacking in (spiritual) intelligence.

I am just going to conclude that perhaps we're are talking apples/ oranges here.
Vj ~ We are talking about ingraining the proper reasoning habits guided by the correct knowledge to make the art of reasoning, logical.

This sounds like indoctrination to those who have no free will of there own, or lack the incentive to exercise their free will as suggested by your statement.
Vj ~ You are right again, it is exactly what the feeble mind would conclude. And how could it be indoctrination or curbing one's free will, when you you are free to accept or reject?

Now, the one thing I will erroneously do is stand on my soapbox before I go.
Vj ~ It could be slippery and the fall can be very painful.

So, you do have a sense of humor.
Vj ~ It is my nature to love all and work towards the uplift of all souls. Whether they take it as humor or serious, either way, I have nothing to lose.

Communication is only possible if the recipient can understand the contributor.
Vj ~ Very true, and it is the reason why I (the contributor) said the correct knowledge and time is essential for you (the recepient) to understand.

The whole meaning of communication is dependant on the contributor to make sure his or her message is received and understood.
Vj ~ Very true, but if the feeble mind is not prepared to make the sacrifice or effort to upgrade the intellect to grasp the the message of the contributor, it can never receive muchless to understand.

It does not work the other way, where the burden of understanding is on the recipient. Is it good for a teacher to give instruction and not test the students on the material?
Vj ~ I don't know which school you went to, but instructions always comes before study and then testing. It is call preparation of mind or intellect and body (physical) before study or learning begins.

How else would a student learn. If I am that student, I am telling you, now, to make yourself understood. Spouting words of wisdom does not make you wise. Understanding them and helping other understanding them is.
Vj ~ You didn't come to learn, you came to teach. Right now, you seem to know more (giving instructions) than the teacher and frankly speaking, in such a state you are not ready to be a student.

Otherwise it is a waste of effort and words.
Vj ~ Well it is obvious so far, since there is no effort on your part yet, it is your words that are wasted.

Taking apart a message line by line is not good if it is taken out of context. If my message, my words, are not understood by you, then, yes I would have wasted my time on you.
Vj ~ I have all the time in the world and do not consider any time spent on in these discussions a waste of time. So if you feel your time is wasted here, it is certainly your fault, not mine.

I will admit that perhaps I was being unclear when I send the message: One thing that I have "experienced" (for lack of a better word) is that the art of reasoning is not logical.
Vj ~

Vj ~You were very clear with your message and so was I with my reply, that the art of reasoning is logical, when guided by the correct knowledge and given time.

An example of logic is 2+2=4. An example of a conclusion using reason is 2+2=5.
Vj ~ Neither example, will make any sense to a complete illiterate. So consider your condition to be the same in trying to understand the truth of the Vedic philosophy.

The point I am making is that reasoning is open to interpretation, but logic is clear and concise and has no other options but one, but yet, people act illogically.
Vj ~ But here, I can see your logic is not clear and open to all sorts of interpretation. Why concern yourself of people acting illogically when you are in the same state?

For example, some people may run back inside a burning building to retrieve items that have no bearing on there self-preservation (i.e. money, mementos) and actually endanger their lives. And yet, they have reasoned that these items, or "reasons," are worth the risk to their life.
Vj ~ It is call ignorance and has nothing to do with reasoning. It is the same state that leads them to ready belief (false dogmas) or no dogma at all.

Okay, perhaps reasoning is an art form, as to is salesmanship. Perhaps it is one in the same. You are not doing well selling me, but I will give you another chance.
Vj ~ And every "art form" requires the right inclination guided by the correct knowledge also and if you lack it, then you will have to trust the instructions of the "contributor". The "chance" of saving your soul, lies in your hands, not mine.

And, perhaps, the definitions of those words differ from that of your own.
Vj ~ No, it is quite clear, what differed is that you are yet to do any inquiry into the correct knowledge.

Let's see, will this lead an open door to start saying that perhaps I am on the right path, and that all I need is a little extra boost, or pointed in the "correct" direction to find the holy grail, the path to enlightenment, the correct knowledge?
Vj ~ It is none of those. First, a student, who is truly desirous of seeking the truth, needs to humble him/herself before the teacher and ask questions of the material provided. You are yet do either.

I spent some more time reading some excerpts of Maharishi Swami Dayanand, and thus far his teachings appear to mirror every other well established world wide religion.
Vj ~Good start, for it tells me that your thinking mirrors a feeble mind.

Perhaps that since I am a student of truth, that I should know "correct knowledge" when I see it. And you don't need to explain anything.
Vj ~ You are not a student of truth yet, it is the reason you can't follow simple instructions muchless to see the correct knowledge.

Perhaps, you will take this out of context and use it as "ammunition" to attack me. Thus far your tools of the trade involve belittlement, intimidation, name calling, mocking, and contempt, just to name a few.
Vj ~ Well, if one is vulnerable to attack by "belittlement, intimidation, mocking, name calling and contempt, just to name a few, what calibre of mind would that be, if not feeble?

Somehow I don't think Maharishi Swami Dayanand preached this method of achieving "correct knowledge."
Vj ~ That's true, his "method of achieving" had to be truly severe than "belittlement, intimidation, mocking, name calling and contempt, just to name a few" since sixteen attempts were made on his life and finally he was assassinated for it!

Perhaps you have received so many e-mails that ridiculed you that you have acquired this same hate-based defense mechanism that now rules your responses towards people.
Vj ~ Many were full of praises also, but only a feeble mind is subjected to ridules or vanity. If ever you come to know this truth, you will find that the wise holds no malice or hate for anyone, but only for that which is false. My site exhibits total freedom of speech and my message boards are unmoderated, it simply means that none is deprived of expressing their opinions, positive or negative. Keep in mind of what the Swami said, Let him say what is good even though it might offend.

So, instead of gathering more followers to the faith, could it be used to exploit the truly feeble minded to join your cult.
Vj ~ It is not obligatory for me to disseminate this wisdom, but my nature beckons me to. So whether you accept or reject is does not impede on my journey to salvation.

What is the difference between a true religion and a cult?
Vj ~ It is not a good time to explain it when you have much difficulty with logic.

Perhaps, truth is not what you preach, but subjection to what you preach.
Vj ~ Listen, you are right again, a feeble mind will not be able conceive any idea of the truth I preach.

Perhaps I overlooked something and will be reminded of it when a person of your stature replies.
Vj ~ Even if I remind you of it, it would make no difference to a feeble mind.

Everyone has their own rational. Serial murderers have a rational all their own, and the way a person acts and thinks is unique to themselves. This how a person perceives and processes truth. Why are some people prejudice towards other people, because they perceive it to be true. It's not logical, but when you ask the person, you can understand their way of thinking, and it become very rational.
Vj ~ Again, one's "own rational" can never lead to the truth unless it is guided by the correct knowledge.

So far, you have used "correct knowledge" as a shield, as if this magic word can explain away anything. Please, explain, just don't stand on your high horse and hold others in contempt. And using your specialized vocabulary in a sentence does not make it coherent.
Vj ~ I already did, but if you have the brains of a horse how would that help you to understand it? The correct knowledge is that which is in harmony with reasoning and science and both confirming to natural laws. Now I know your reasoning is very limited, and science should be of some help to you, but you made no mention of how much you know of natural laws.

What I was trying to say was that rational thinking is very subjective, and not at all factually solid. Rational thinking works on the bases of truth, some things that are known true, and some that are assumed true.
Vj ~ And what I am saying, is that all things (facts/theory) are true when it is in harmony with reasoning, science and both confirming to natural laws.

There, this is a perfect example of half-truth. "[A]ll things (facts/theory) are true when it is in harmony..." This part is true. "...with reasoning, science and both confirming to natural laws." This part is not true. There is no way it can be proved as true.
Vj ~ I have the proof that it is, because I first humbled myself to my guru and follow his intructions. I then with consistent effort began studies of the correct knowledge and put it into practice. So if you need the proof, you will have to follow the same path I did. Again, in my philosophy, there is no such thing as "half-truth". It is either true or false - one is either wise or ignorant.

But to assume it's true is what makes it a lie. ASSUME. This is a half statement that promotes propaganda and hidden agendas. Half-truths are what sucks in people their whole lives, because they "reason" that if one half of a statement is true, than the other half has to be, too.
Vj ~ Very true, you suck in it too, but like them you can't see yourself as having a feeble mind.

If you can back up this second statement WITH cold, hard facts, than I will sure stand corrected and admit such, before you and before God. However, What if I can find the truth in it, and those who have embraced it as true have only convinced themselves to be true? This is called a "belief" and Everyone is entitled to it.
Vj ~ As I said whatever is in harmony with reasoning and science, and confirms with natural laws is true and if you have no idea how to apply it to a theory, then "belief" for you, is what it is.

If you found this truth, or correct knowledge, then share that, not the needless report to show dominance over another.
Vj ~ Truth is dominant over all that is false, it is the reason those with feeble minds cannot take it, including you.

How is your mental state right about now? are you upset? confused? or somehow blocking all this out because you think you are better than all others? What about the correct reasoning? Is there always something to be learned from one another? Will you disect this word for word and not not read between the lines? HOW do you think? Can`t you see the forest for the trees?
Vj ~ My state bliss is unchanging regardless of the fool that comes or goes for I have discovered inner nature of the self. My sight is my wisdom so even if I lose my eyes I will never be sightless.

The greatest error that I can see thus far is to take half-truths as all true.
Vj ~ Then you must know "all true", how else can you see "half-truths?

[See remark above]
Vj ~ One should work to advance intellectually, had you realized you were being an idiot in the last remark, the next one should be the opportunity to show improvement.

Another mistake I made was two-fold. It can be easy to rationalize, and perhaps even prove that something is false and untrue, but no one can change what a person believes.
Vj ~ Again a feeble mind is unchangeable unless it is prepared to follow intructions, another mistake of yours.

To whom are you referring the "feeble mind", to me or to you?
Vj ~ Even though there are only two of us in this dialogue, yet the feeble mind cannot grasp who it is.

The second part of it, was that perhaps I could somehow instill an enlighten idea to another with a simple phrase.
Vj ~ It was an enlightened idea but so was my response and if you are not happy with it, then it is obvious who is not prepared to change "what a person believes".

Again, to whom are you referring?
Vj ~ To the one with a feeble mind.

Perhaps, I should not have gotten involved and contacted you. But, I did. God knows why.
Vj ~ And if you really want to know what "God knows" it will still require effort to acquire the correct knowledge and the time to ingrain the proper reason habits.

This is what is referred to as a Double entendre. First, "God knows why." Is a figure of speech, suggesting that I don't know why I contacted you.
Vj ~ It is generally the feeble mind at work when you don't know why you contacted me.

The second meaning of this was to that of God's omnipotence. Some might say that feeble minded people can't get this. But I say not. Sometimes even the smartest people miss this.
Vj ~ Smart according to your reasoning is not what I call smart. So the smart people you refer to are all of feeble minds.

Truly, my best wishes to you and your endeavors, and to those who come in contact with you. Pretty much everybody.
Vj ~ Thank you for the kind words, but it is not enough for enlightenment.

I was actually enjoying these replies from you, and I have almost figured out your reasoning process (half way there) along with a good sense of your personality. I guess you could say that as reasoning is acquired, so is gathering intelligence about a person through casual conversation. Personality does come through e-mail, although filtered, much more e-mail is required. I hope this finds you on a good day. Some of my Mensa friends get a kick out of your letters, but I know you have forward these messages to your gurus. It is good to have a purpose in life and I can see you have yours.
Vj ~ My personal site statistics shows over 5000 visits a month, but responses are very very rare. So when an individual like you shows up I can only commend you for the courage you have displayed in expressing your opinion. I hope, such courage will inspire you to continue to visit and study more of the one true religion.

Here is a bit of truth. Everyone believes their own religion is the only true religion, no? Reasoning will only get you so far, but I suppose you know this already?
Vj ~ Yes, reasoning is only the path, as my site indicates, guided by the correct knowledge it becomes the right path and when the knowledge is put into practice it becomes the true path.

Anyway, as I have stated before, about a learned language, about your replies. I can see you are translating from English to your native language, and then back again. This comes a little bit more evident in the way you disseminate and reply to each line of text I send to you. By doing this, the overall message will become lost and/ or distorted by doing line by line dissemination.
Vj ~ True again, but as I said before, it will appear so to the feeble mind but in reality when the truth starts to come to light the seeker will always find it enlightening.

I have read bits and pieces of your website. It's not bad, there are some good things in there. I can also sense you enthusiasm and fervor within. However, keep an open mind. You can only change other people's perception if you are willing to have your own perception changed in the process, and it doesn't appear that you follow this doctrine.
Vj ~ If I have to change it would meant that I would have to come down to their level, but as Confuscius says, "Only the wisest and stupidest of men never change." So I know it is too late for the wise but maybe not too late for you and "other people".

If you are dynamically opposed to this suggestion, than realize that your faith will not spread as fast as others, and might remain a minor religion.
Vj ~ The law of nature dictates that all things finite must decay, including righteousness, so my faith already did it's spreading in the very early ages. Progression is always downwards and any faith that is spreading fast now can only be those that bring pain and suffering.

Do not fool yourself in thinking that this is because you have "correct knowledge." I claim that their are many smarter and more intelligent people out there than you, smarter than your gurus, or teachers, from other religions and beliefs.
Vj ~ That is just your claim, but until you can produce one smarter (philosophically), I and my gurus are way ahead.

Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, and no amount of reasoning will ever change that. You might understand some facet of truth of the whole universe that you would like to share with the world. But realize their are facets of truth that others would like to share with you.
Vj ~ Well if you know so much about other "facets of truth" that others may have, why don't you name just one or are you afraid of what the power of this wisdom can do the feeble mind?

Alas, perhaps the overall message in this e-mail maybe lost on you. You might have been taught to take apart each and every line of text to show how "feeble" it was, which is not a correct knowledge way of thinking, but a hateful and arrogant way of thinking.
Vj ~ The fact is, the truth hurts and always will, so to the ignorant I say, if you are offended it is for your own good.

The only purpose to continually answer letters by piece meal is to show that you is first, do not have a master on the English language, and second, that you are trying to prove your position as superior, at in appropriate times, which will ultimately show your inferior stance.
Vj ~ My guess is that you feel the the same way about Tiger Woods who is superior to anyone else in what he is good at, and if you don't, isn't it prejudicial to single me out as inferior because of something I am good at and you and "others" are not?

Let me give this one last piece of advice, "feeble" is a pretty archaic term to use in English, not to mention an insulting and contemptuous way of saying something. Try the word "weak" instead, as in "weak minded." You will not get converts to your cause by continuing to use this word.
Vj ~ In other words, you are saying if I had used the word "weak" and not "feeble" you would have been a convert already? It is a good thing that I didn't use the word "jackass" you could have committed suicide.

Nevertheless, good luck, and goodbye
Vj ~ Than you and all the best.