These are Dee Kilcoyne's short-hand notes of the December 3, 1998 Workshop, which Ms. Kilcoyne kindly made available to POP. Because POP did not make a recording of the workshop, POP cannot warrantee the accuracy of the notes. However, they seem to accurately reflect the tenor of the questions asked by the audience, and for this reason we feel that the notes would be useful to the reader. We note that many of the Consultant's answers were inaudible to Ms. Kilcoyne as she was seated near the back of the room. |
BYRON
& BUCHANAN FIELD AIRPORT
LAND USE PLANNING WORKSHOP DECEMBER 3, 1998 |
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The
workshop for updating the Master Plan of the Byron & Buchanan Field
Airports was held in the Contra Costa Water District Board Room.
Following is a list of firms and agencies, along with names and titles
of individuals attending the workshop:
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SHUTT MOEN
ASSOCIATES
Kenneth A. Brody, Senior Planner
David Dietz, AICP, Director of
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WALTER E.
GILLFILLAN & ASSOCIATES
Walter Gillfillan, Principal & President
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AIRPORT LAND USE COMMISSION
John Jackson, Vice-Chairman
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CONTRA COSTA COUNTY STAFF
Robert (Bob) Drake, Planner
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OTHER AGENCIES REPRESENTED
Talin Aghazarian, Assistant Planner, City
of Concord
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County Planner Bob Drake opened up the
discussion by stating that the County had contracted with Shutt Moen Associates
(SMA) and Walter Gillfillan & Associates (WGA), an airport consulting
firm, to update the master plans for both Byron and Buchanan Field airports.
There were no agendas or handouts available, only presentation or display
boards containing graphics and text arranged around the board room.
SMA stated that they had been asked a very good question prior to the meeting as to why there were no handouts available for the public. SMA said, at this point, they were simply gathering information and felt the presentation boards could be relied upon for study. Ken Brody did most of the talking for SMA, so when SMA is referred to it means Ken Brody speaking unless otherwise indicated. SMA: We have passed the half way
point of the project. All the data gathering and analysis is complete.
The next step is to review the comments made at the workshop
1. They have been required of each
county by the state since 1970.
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ALUC needs to adopt a plan which is an
update of the existing 1984 Master Plan. They are using the ALUC’s
previous policies and reassessing the existing plan. The types of
concerns they expect are: noise, safety, airspace protection and
overflights. They will be looking at the compatibility of the plan that
was done years ago which was required by the Federal government.
Compatibility Planning Concepts: Noise:
Safety Issues:
Airspace Protection:
Overflights:
Land Use Measures: Land Use Measures are available for addressing the above referenced concerns by establishing buyer awareness with measures such as: 1. Aviation Easement Dedication
Currently there is nothing in the existing 1984 Airport Master Plan that addresses these land use measures. In terms of compatibility at Buchanan Field, there is not much to address since the area is all built out. There are limits to the height of structures such as in the City of Concord where the structures in the downtown area cannot exceed 106 ft. in height. Therefore, any object (structure) up to 50 ft. would be acceptable. Other structures are acceptable if they are overshadowed by taller structures. It is a halo effect. Level of Risk Acceptable to the Community (Safety Zones): 1. Safety Zone Area where there are no
structures to be located (like runways).
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3. Safety Zone Areas where
aircraft landings on runways in the SE and NE are
the most frequent landing sites at Buchanan Field. In these areas: no more than 75 people per acre, structures are limited to two floors, no retailers, no restaurants, no schools, and no new residential units. 4. In Safety Zone Area 4, a structure can be no higher than three floors. The reason is risk reduction since evacuation of a building would be harder and it reduces the risk to occupants inside if the building is struck by a light aircraft. Developers could reduce the risk to occupants with certain measures. Above items 2 and 4 could be subject to some relaxation of standards if a developer would do things to the building to lower the risk. Noise & Overflight: The Noise Contour Map has been updated and the contours are smaller than they were 15 years ago. With new technology, private planes are now quieter. Noise levels can be up to 55 decibels for new residences. New residences in the 60 decibel range would have deed restrictions but it is not a problem with Buchanan Field since there is no land to develop around the airport. Overflight Analysis: The proximity to the airport will be disclosed. The area of proximity will extend out a couple of miles from the airport. The county and the cities will be involved as part of the planning process. They know where the overflights are since they do not always follow the noise contours maps. Every real estate transaction will note the proximity to the airport. In closing, SMA emphasized the preliminary
nature of their work. They stated that they had met with the Pacheco
MAC to obtain input. Nothing has been presented to the ALUC to date.
County staff has just seen their report and recommendations. It is
not
Dave Dietz of SMA: There will be
no handouts until the ALUC has given their blessing.
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(End of SMA’s presentation) |
The meeting was then opened up to the
public for questions. (The following is a summary of the questions
and answers; it contains direct quotes but is not a verbatim account ).
Dale Adams: Currently the aircraft fly right straight over this building (CCWD). I am involved with someone who has an interest in the almond orchard located on Concord Avenue. I don’t want to see the barn door shut after the horse is gone. The site I refer to is a limited property located from (between) this building and the freeway. They are asking for reasonable development of the property which is next door. Yet, here is an assembly hall (CCWD’s board room). I am asking about reasonableness and flexibility. Can you answer that yes or no? SMA: Can provide a straight answer. Adjustments can be made. David Driscoll(?): Involved in the property as we worked with a developer. 75-80% could have been developed and expanded out further. Questioned the impact on the development. |
SMA: There can be risk
reduction by the design of the building or structure. It will be
reviewed on a case by case basis. Dale Adams: There is flexibility? Will the determination by made by the ALUC? SMA: There is flexibility in the building design. There can be an issue about the value of what the property is worth. What use could you make of the site? It has to be uses based on the real world. Dale Adams: Does this allow the ALUC to determine this? (I have no answer to this question – too many people talking to hear). Unidentified Man: As a casual
and unsophisticated person, I have some questions:
SMA: Simply, the risk hasn’t changed. Only our knowledge about the risk has changed. Our knowledge has changed Hal Yeager, People Over Planes: Makes statement that air traffic is down 50% and accidents in the county are down 40%. There are less crashes per 100,000 hours of operation. He questions the lack of handouts for the workshop since they are useful in understanding the master plan update. There was no way to have any advance knowledge of what was going to be proposed. Refers to an airport plan done up north (Travis Areo Club ), People Over Planes (POP) has set up a web site. Since a handout wasn’t provided for the workshop, he would like to make available for people attending the workshop a handout developed by POP regarding the subject. The website is listed on the handout. Question from Man in Audience: There were 288 overflights (per day) in the west at 600 feet, a low-altitude, over Pacheco in the Mobile Home park. Do the noise contours reflect these overflights? SMA: Noise from the helicopter overflights wasn’t taken. Repeat of Question: There is a constant noise problem there. SMA: There is an individual footprint in helicopter activity on a chart. Helicopter flights compared to fixed wing air flights. Man from Mobile Home Park: Did you make a comparison between fixed wing and helicopter flights? SMA: We did make a comparison. The noise contour readings (map) were done to FAA standards. Measurements were made in the field. We were in a field with and had a meter. Question: Over 300 flights done at low altitude – is that not a safety factor for people? |
Dee Kilcoyne: During
1988-92, I was a student at Diablo Valley College. During that time,
while attending classes at the college, there were numerous occasions when
teachers and lecturers had to interrupt their speeches/lectures due to
the overhead flights of the training helicopters. There were also
occasions where famous teachers and lecturers would speak in public forum
and their voices were also drowned out by the overhead flights. Our
county obviously rates a privately owned business enterprise over the education
of its’ young adults. I can’t understand why the teacher’s union
of the college hasn’t spoken out in support of education of the students.
Question from the Hillcrest Neighborhood Association: What would trigger a deed restriction? Would that affect permits if a house burned down? SMA: That would require discretionary approval. Fixed wing airplanes have never been a noise problem. Helicopters can be annoying. Man from Audience: I am constantly complaining by phone and by sending letters out and you will continue to hear from me. Fixed wing – helicopters: both with overflights are a mistake to live with. I will continue to speak out. Don Mount, Concord: Can the
ALUC adjust the two mile restriction placed around Buchanan Field?
Would it take 4/5 vote of the cities to override the recommendations?
SMA: That would be the jurisdiction
of the title companies, real estate mortgage firms and real estate agents.
The ALUC will not do that.
Hal Yeager: I suggest that the residents of Clyde work with the Noise Monitor (Brian Horne) from the airport. He can solve the problem. Marcus O’Connell, Concord Neighborhood Alliance: If deed restrictions are forced on properties within a two mile radius of the airport, could there not be a 10-15% devaluation in real properties affected by this proposal? Answer could not be heard or understood. Hal Yeager: Diablo Valley College was built after the airport. But it raises a question: If a school would be subject to an earthquake or other hazard, could a new school be rebuilt on the same site if it is subject to the new regulations proposed under your safety zones? SMA: We haven’t yet defined those policies, yet it will be considered. Unidentified Man in Audience: Since there is declining airport activity during recent years, have you tied your recommendations to any certain activity level of the airport? |
Didn’t hear response.
Dale Adams: I have a two-part question instead of a long one. If the SE runway is open in only good weather conditions, are those using the NE runway depending on instrument landings? SMA: All aircraft can circle. Dale Adams: Something about CAL Trans & all #2 being of equal size (?). Instrument landings result in a higher level of accidents. Dave Dietz of SMA: Our analysis data is based in terms of absolute risk. It probably could be developed mathematically. Man from Audience: That is gobbly-gook. Another Man from Audience: You could have put out a handout – you are talking about a 2 mile circle around the airport , not a blue colored contour as shown on your display chart. Hal Yeager: If we built an airport and no one used it…yet the issue is relative risk versus absolute risk. The original area has been maintained. You have just moved the runways out? Is this a cookie-cutter: using only relative risk? Exactly what levels of risk do we have to look at? Answer: none that I could understand. Unidentified Man from Audience: Will your report discuss the airport’s proximity to Mt. Diablo and the possible risk associated with it ? Dee Kilcoyne: I would like to know what environmental certification will be required by this report? Will it subject to not only CEQA but also NEPA since the airports receive Federal funding? Who will act as the lead agency? Answer: Only subject to CEQA and the ALUC will act as lead agency for certification. Dee K: I have a request to make of the consulting firms: that they address the issue of possible water contamination for Contra Costa County and Alameda County if an aircraft accident would occur on either the CCWD or EBMUD main conduits. The environmental document for the master plan should also discuss the possible impacts on the wetlands and Suisun Bay located to the north of Buchanan Field. Overflights over the Clyde area if one should result in aircraft failure could mean that Clyde residents are cut off from any means of evacuation or communication since there is only one means of ingress or egress from the town. The former Concord Naval Weapon Station is now a detachment of Seal Beach and communication from a long distance can be difficult especially since the base is converting to army use instead of navy. Man from audience: Get rid of the helicopters, Hal Yeager: Does this plan put on new restrictions? Is this the target? While it may occur up the road, is it still applicable to the area? |
Question from audience: The
Concord fault line is a mile away from me: if my building is demolished,
can I rebuild because of these proposed new restrictions? This appears
to me to be a "taking of property." Who do I sell to if these restrictions
are imposed? What agency do I see to address this "taking?"
If the ALUC and the cities (by changing their General Plans) place these
restrictions (easements, notification, etc.) couldn’t they be sued?
Has any ALUC ever been sued? Can the attorney at CAL Trans
answer the question of inverse condemnation?
Question about a non-conforming property. Are you saying this is not an issue over existing properties? Only new construction? Hal Yeager: This effects the property. Today, you can rebuild this property at will. The next day, you cannot rebuild at will. In the future, however it will affect your property. Man in Audience: This will affect property values? Don Mount: Let us be clear that safety has improved at the airport. The ALUC will be deciding on these recommendations. After they make their recommendation, where does it go? What is the process? Perhaps 5,000 people will be affected. Hal Yeager: We both have process questions: 1. There was a newspaper article in today's paper. 2. There was a Letter to the Editor. But would that really make the public aware of this workshop. How much would a 4 x 6 inch ad in the CC Times or Chronicle cost? Discussion held about adequate public notification to all parties that may be affected by the ALUC decision. County staff states that they are not required to notify everyone within 300 ft. of the airport, since the publication in a public newspaper is sufficient. Marcus O’Connell: I requested to be on the mailing list for any public meetings regarding this matter but only found out about this meeting by reading an article in today's newspaper. How does one get on the county's notification list? Bob Drake, Contra Costa County:
Send a written request to me and you will be placed
Don Mount: Why is there no sign in sheet that would serve as the basis for a future mailing list for upcoming meetings? Marcus O’Connell: As a sign of your good grace, why can’t a sign in sheet be used for people who wish to receive written notification of future meetings regarding this matter? Bob Drake, CCC: If you send me a written request to my address, you will be placed on the list to receive notices of future meetings. Mike, Lafayette: I’m a pilot. I see a coming problem with property rights if you encumber property with restrictions. 10 to 20 years ago there were not as many lawyers. I can’t believe this problem is unique to Concord – how is it being received in other communities? SMA: It varies quite widely. Varies from severe restrictions to none. ALUCs were established by the State of California in 1967. In some cases, ALUC were established deliberately and some with a lack of knowledge regarding the law. |
Paul Persons(?), Lafayette, pilot:
I’m surprised by the animosity of people towards the airport. Those
who live near freeways experience ambient noise levels. Why do the
people who live near airports think the rest of us are not subject to noise
levels. You can’t find anyone who doesn’t live close to a freeway.
Socialization issue: more bothered by aircraft than freeway noise levels?
As for the safety issue: I’ll trade houses with anyone here.
Hal Yeager: Asks a question regarding the structure of new buildings: (cost to prevent loss of lives if a small plane crashes into one). Man in Audience in red coat: Have you done a plot analysis of airplane crashes since 1950? SMA: The Federal government is not interested unless the land use regarding the crash contributes to the accident. Man in red coat: I’m not interested in nationwide, I want to see local accident statistics. SMA: Most of the statistics contain insufficient information. If you look at all fatalities, you need to know if they were on board or on ground. People based fatalities are usually related to the airport and not the land use around the airport. Workshop facilitator, WGA: We look at overall safety. Is there a cluster or a group? What is the probability of an accident? Probably it is at the 3rd level, not zero. If one person should be hospitalized – then that’s the risk level. Each community has to judge and decide what they will accept. Each community has to look into what it will tolerate. You had a terrible accident here in the past (referring to the December 23, 1985 air crash at Sun Valley Mall). The community must be willing to accept the risk. Hal Yeager: Would radar have prevented that accident? WGA: The issue is acceptance of the risk level not only at Buchanan Field but at Byron and airports such as Sacramento. (End of Meeting) |
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