How Good Was Pete Rose?

How good a ballplayer was Pete Rose? Was he one of the greatest players of all time? Or was he overrated and not nearly the player that a lot of sportswriters seem to think he was? Does he belong in the Hall-of-Fame? Just how good was he? This is what we'll try to determine. He did get more hits in his career than Cobb, Aaron, Mays, Rod Carew or any other player to ever play the game. Certainly a great accomplishment. He is also the only player to play 500 games at five different positions. But do these facts make him one of the greatest players of all time? Let's first look at how he played defensively. He did play five different positions, but the problem is he never played any of these positions very well. When he first came to the majors he played second base. He had a good enough throwing arm for this position, but he was very limited in his fielding range. He even admits this. For example, in 1965 when both Rose and Joe Morgan both played second base and played approximately the same number of games(Rose played five more), Morgan had 89 more assists. Overall, Pete he was a less than average defensive second baseman. In the outfield he was good at charging the ball and getting rid of the ball quickly. But he had a weak arm and was not good at going deep and catching up to the ball. Overall, he was not a very good outfielder. Rose next played four seasons at third base. This was his worst position. He not only had a weak arm from third base, but often threw extremely wild when fielding the ball to his left when trying to hurry the throw. In the years 1976 and 1977, Pete played in a total of more games than third baseman Mike Schmidt, but had a two year total of 217 less assists than Mike. This is a huge difference. The last part of his career he played first base. This was his best position. Although never one of the League's better first baseman, he was adequate. One problem was that during this part of his career, most first sackers were much better hitters than he was. So his fielding was far from Hall-of-Fame caliber. But now let's look at his greatest asset, his hitting. He does have the record for the most hits ever. The records show that he ended his career with 4256 hits, which is 65 more than second place finisher Ty Cobb. But the records also show that he had 2624 more at bats than Cobb, and 1686 more than second place finisher Hank Aaron. Rose holds the record of the most at bats of any player with 14,053. That is one heck of a total. And that, in my opinion, is his greatest feat. Clearly there were a large number of players that if they had as many at bats as Pete, would have gotten more hits. Many, like Rod Carew, Ty Cobb, Wade Boggs, and Tony Gwynn would get many, many more hits than 4256. So the number of hits Rose got was not what made him great, it was the large number of at bats. Now Rose did not hit many homeruns, drive in many runs, nor steal many bases. Given that he batted ahead of many great hitters throughout his career, he didn't really receive a large number of walks, or score a terrific number of runs. (In the 1961-1976 area, seven players scored more runs per game than Pete Rose, while none had better RBI producers hitting behind them.) But Rose did come to bat many, many times. He was able to play his entire career without major injuries, play through many minor injuries, play for many years, play for teams scoring lots of runs, and bat in the top part of the order. He did these things better than anyone who ever played the game. That alone, in my opinion, makes him a Hall-of-Fame player, but not one of the greatest players of all time. In 1985, Bill James, baseball's most noted historian/statistician, rated Rose during his peak years as the 97th best player of all time. I don't agree with a number of player ratings of Mr. James, but in this case I do. Pete Rose, while not one of the greatest players of all time, did play well enough and especially long enough, to be in the Hall-of-Fame. But should he based on his conduct off the field? In my opinion, I think not. He did sign a document with the Commissioner of Baseball to accept lifetime suspension. I think that says a lot. Don Sibrel