How Good Was Pete Rose?
How good a ballplayer was Pete Rose? Was he one of the
greatest players of all time? Or was he overrated and not
nearly the player that a lot of sportswriters seem to think he
was? Does he belong in the Hall-of-Fame? Just how good was he?
This is what we'll try to determine.
He did get more hits in his career than Cobb, Aaron, Mays,
Rod Carew or any other player to ever play the game. Certainly a
great accomplishment. He is also the only player to play 500
games at five different positions. But do these facts make him
one of the greatest players of all time?
Let's first look at how he played defensively. He did play
five different positions, but the problem is he never played any
of these positions very well. When he first came to the majors
he played second base. He had a good enough throwing arm for
this position, but he was very limited in his fielding range. He
even admits this. For example, in 1965 when both Rose and Joe
Morgan both played second base and played approximately the same
number of games(Rose played five more), Morgan had 89 more assists.
Overall, Pete he was a less than average defensive second baseman.
In the outfield he was good at charging the ball and getting
rid of the ball quickly. But he had a weak arm and was not good
at going deep and catching up to the ball. Overall, he was not a
very good outfielder.
Rose next played four seasons at third base. This was his
worst position. He not only had a weak arm from third base, but
often threw extremely wild when fielding the ball to his left
when trying to hurry the throw. In the years 1976 and 1977, Pete
played in a total of more games than third baseman Mike Schmidt,
but had a two year total of 217 less assists than Mike. This is
a huge difference.
The last part of his career he played first base. This was
his best position. Although never one of the League's better
first baseman, he was adequate. One problem was that during this
part of his career, most first sackers were much better hitters
than he was.
So his fielding was far from Hall-of-Fame caliber. But now
let's look at his greatest asset, his hitting. He does have the
record for the most hits ever.
The records show that he ended his career with 4256 hits, which
is 65 more than second place finisher Ty Cobb. But the records
also show that he had 2624 more at bats than Cobb, and 1686 more
than second place finisher Hank Aaron.
Rose holds the record of the most at bats of any player with
14,053. That is one heck of a total. And that, in my opinion,
is his greatest feat. Clearly there were a large number of
players that if they had as many at bats as Pete, would have
gotten more hits. Many, like Rod Carew, Ty Cobb, Wade Boggs,
and Tony Gwynn would get many, many more hits than 4256.
So the number of hits Rose got was not what made him great,
it was the large number of at bats. Now Rose did not hit many
homeruns, drive in many runs, nor steal many bases. Given that
he batted ahead of many great hitters throughout his career, he
didn't really receive a large number of walks, or score a
terrific number of runs. (In the 1961-1976 area, seven players
scored more runs per game than Pete Rose, while none had better
RBI producers hitting behind them.) But Rose did come to bat
many, many times.
He was able to play his entire career without major injuries,
play through many minor injuries, play for many years, play for
teams scoring lots of runs, and bat in the top part of the order.
He did these things better than anyone who ever played the game.
That alone, in my opinion, makes him a Hall-of-Fame player, but
not one of the greatest players of all time.
In 1985, Bill James, baseball's most noted
historian/statistician, rated Rose during his peak years as the
97th best player of all time. I don't agree with a number of
player ratings of Mr. James, but in this case I do.
Pete Rose, while not one of the greatest players of all time,
did play well enough and especially long enough, to be in the
Hall-of-Fame. But should he based on his conduct off the field?
In my opinion, I think not. He did sign a document with the
Commissioner of Baseball to accept lifetime suspension. I think
that says a lot.
Don Sibrel