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frugal: Voluntary Simplicity as a collective social movement
Tue, 7 May 1996 20:41:56 -0700 (PDT)
Carisa Kluver (kluver@u.washington.edu):
... What I have found in my exploration of simple living, though,
is that the 'movement' is really just individuals gathering together in
small community groups or even in isolated families. My sense of a social
movement requires a conscious collective action and explicit questioning
of the social structures (i.e. consumerism, capitalism, etc.) that have
caused the social problems in the first place. Is there an organized
'voluntary simplicity' movement out there?
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frugal: Re: Voluntary Simplicity as a collective social movement
Fri, 10 May 1996 22:09:03 -0600
Michael Yount (yount@csf.Colorado.EDU):
I had a similar experience when trying to locate groups in the
Pacific Northwest which are interested in permaculture--there are
dozens if not thousands of people interested in the subject, but
they appear separate formally. ... what would the benefits be
to having simple living formalized ... as an organized
movement ...
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frugal: Re: Voluntary Simplicity as a collective social movement
Sat, 11 May 1996 12:03:02 -0700
Bill Arthur (barth@northernnet.com):
Living expensively is an organized movement -- very well funded with lots of players. Living frugally has lots of involuntary players, but is
neither organized nor well-funded. In fact, if given the choice many of
the current frugal-livers would doubtless defect to the "other side."
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frugal: Re: Voluntary Simplicity as a collective social movement
Mon, 13 May 1996 21:50:23 -0400 (EDT)
Joe & Ellen Hecksel (jhecksel@voyager.net):
Personally, I find it difficult to reconcile "organized" movements with the
freedom of thought and action that my brand of frugality requires. I find
the society of consumption to have an underlying current of coercion.
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frugal: Re: Voluntary Simplicity as a collective social movement
Wed, 15 May 1996 17:51:59 -0700 (PDT)
Carisa Kluver (kluver@u.washington.edu):
.. the real impact needed from a reduction in consumption and
increase in community interdependence can only be found in a collective
movement. If we all make individual choices about consumption we may
impact the global environment somewhat, but it will only be a drop in the
bucket.
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frugal: Re: Voluntary Simplicity as a collective social movement
Thu, 16 May 1996 07:10:51 -0800
Darryl Caldwell (darrylc@foothills.eznet.com):
The web version of the LA Times ran an article about the work being funded
by The Merck family Foundation to promote simplicity and frugality. I have
the article in html format if any are interested. Darryl Caldwell
Oikiasuchou School
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frugal: Re: Voluntary Simplicity as a collective social movement
Thu, 16 May 1996 11:53:33 -0700;
Steven Garrett (sgarrett@wsu.edu):
.. the NW is getting together the beginnings of what some might call a collective movement. The New Roadmap Foundation .. Sustainable Seattle .. The Center for Sustainable Living in Tacoma/Pierce County .. NW Earth Instit
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frugal: Re: Voluntary Simplicity as a collective social movement
Thu, 16 May 1996 17:34:13 -0600
Michael Yount (yount@csf.Colorado.EDU):
Carisa, if frugal people formed a movement, what would you foresee as
some specific changes that would indicate the success of the
movement? How would frugality or simplicity reduce the competition
among people for employment, for example?
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frugal: Organized Movement for the Frugal
Fri, 17 May 1996 21:27:29 -0700 (PDT)
Carisa Kluver (kluver@u.washington.edu):
... when people balk at being asked to give things up, it isn't enough to
say it will help the planet, you have to offer something in return to fill
the void that people are filling with products and spending. ... the
movement offer[s] people .. community and the inter-connectedness with
others that so many ... have identified as missing
in modern American life. ... this [might] make it especially appealing to the 20-nothing or Generation X crowd. I'm in my 20's ...
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frugal: Re: Voluntary Simplicity as a collective social movement
Fri, 17 May 1996 21:41:17 -0700 (PDT);
Carisa Kluver (kluver@u.washington.edu):
.. would indicate success .. For one thing, the kind of poverty we have might be lessened, .. More certain is that people would be happier with what they have (at all class levels).
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frugal: Re: Voluntary Simplicity as a collective social movement
Sat, 18 May 1996 13:13:51 -0800
Darryl Caldwell (darrylc@foothills.eznet.com):
Benefits: More leisure time or time to pursue personal or
community-oriented interests. The need to compete in the work place can
easily be replaced by individual pursuits that aren't tied to money.
Financial independence opens up a job for someone who may need it more.
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frugal: Re: Voluntary Simplicity as a collective social movement
Wed, 22 May 1996 22:13:21 -0800;
Steven Garrett (sgarrett@wsu.edu):
.. some specific institutionalized movements in the NW that were designed to move our society toward sustainable living .. I see education as the main route toward building a more sustainable less consumer-based culture.
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frugal: Re: Voluntary Simplicity as a collective social movement
Thu, 23 May 1996 09:19:32 -0600;
Michael Yount (yount@csf.Colorado.EDU):
.. achieving the needs and wants of the participants in the movement .. to overcome restrictions on those people. Does that seem a fair generalization? Wouldn't a simplicity/frugality movement be different in this respect?
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frugal: Re: Voluntary Simplicity as a collective social movement
Thu, 23 May 1996 10:02:23 -0700;
Bill Arthur (barth@northernnet.com):
Agree education the main route -- knowing what we know about the
effects of unbridled consumption -- how does one balance consumption with
(e.g.) sustainability of resources? Idiosyncratic frugality seems
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frugal: Re: Voluntary Simplicity as a collective social movement
Tue, 28 May 1996 11:00:34 +1100
Lois Irwin (lirwin@ctc.ctc.edu):
I think McKnight's community building
teachings have a place in frugal living education, because ... rebuilding the low-cost "services"
provided in the past by the extended family, by creating connections
between people around issues of child care, bartering skills, ... mentoring ... join up with some traditional teaching efforts to create a whole.
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