METAL EDGE MAGAZINE: AUGUST 97
MARILYN MANSON: MASTER OF CONTROVERSY by Gerri Miller
Love him or hate him, its hard to ignore him. The ever
controversial Marilyn Manson has taken shock rock to a new level
and thrill happy youth along for the ride while pushing the
buttons of an outraged Establishment that blames him for the
deterioration of society's moral fabric. Is he the Devil Incarnate
or just the latest in a long line of out-there entertainers who've
enthralled kids and pissed off parents? Probably a bit of both. He's
also intelligent, articulate, and possessed of a twisted but
engaging sense of humor, as I found out when I talked to him about,
among other things, his role as a pop culture icon who's become
the poster child for free speech.
Gerri: Where are you today?
Marilyn: In the trenches of the war against fascist Christian
America: Biloxi, Mississippi. I wouldn't be surprised if at any
moment a bomb came through my window!
G: Uh-oh. Are there alot of protesters?
M: Oh, there's more than that! It's gotten to the point where I
feel like I'm the only one fighting for rock music in general(note:
except for Ozzy of course ;) because these people are just trying
to take away my right -to take away EVERYONE'S right -to not only
hear what they want but to say and do what they are entitled under
the First Amendment. It's become a full-on revolution for me here.
G: This hasn't been the first time; this has gone on all through
the tour, hasn't it?
M: Yeah, but its gotten alot worse here in the south.
G: Are you going to be able to play?
M: The show is going on tomorrow, but there was a show that was
just cancelled in South Carolina, so we're pursuing legal
retribution against the state of South Carolina.
G: How many shows have you had to cancel on this tour?
M: Just that one.
G: It's tough trying to stand up, isn't it?
M: Oh, its just part of bein' me!
G: How was your reception in Japan and Australia?
M: It's just great that people who are outside of the US have a
greater understanding and appreciation for what we do, because
they look at the world, and Western civilization, like I do: from
an outside point of view.
G: They're more open-minded?
M: I think they have the distance from American culture to
understand it more than Americans do, because Americans are too
close to it to see how victimized they are by TV and religion.
The audiences there were very responsive and very supportive.
G: After your current headlining tour you're on some of the Ozz
Fest dates. How many?
M: I think its nine shows, but I can't say for sure.
G: Are you a fan of Ozzy's?
M: Black Sabbath was one of the first bands that I ever got into,
and I think Ozzy is there along with everyone else that people
know have inspired me: Bowie, Alice Cooper... So it's great, its
kind of like the old school coming together with the new school,
because I know Ozzy's gone through alot of the things I'm going
through right now. So, it should be interesting.
G: Weren't you supposed to tour with Ozzy at some earlier point?
M: When we were recording Antichrist Superstar, we were going to
do the tour, but our guitarist had left so we weren't able to fulfill
that obligation because we didn't have a guitar player at the time.
G: What have you got planned for your headlining shows and for the
shows that you're doing with Ozzy that's different from your last
tour of America?
M: The stage is just a lot bigger, its a lot more representative of
the album and what I want it to express, and we're playing a lot of
songs that we had never played live before, including the two we
gave to soundtracks: "The Suck For Your Solution", and "Apple of
Sodom". And the band that I have performing right now before us,
Rasputina -three girls that play cello -they're also incorporated
into my show.
G: Will you be able to do a full set with Ozzy, or will you have to
cut it down?
M: It's more or less the full show.
G: When the Ozz Fest is over, will you go back to touring on your
own?
M: We have to go to Europe -the Reading Festival -and then we're
going to return and we're going to do another tour through America,
probably in the fall when we release the final single [from this
album].
G: What single will be next?
M: We're doing a video for "Dried Up, Tied, and Dead to the World".
(note: Liar! They really did a video for "Man That You Fear")
G: What have you got planned for it? How are you going to top yourself
now, since every time you've got to do something more shocking?
M: I've got to do something that surprises people, and now I think
people have an expectation for what I do, and have a preconcieved
notion of what the next Marilyn Manson video will look like. They
should expect the very opposite of what they're expecting, so this
will be something very different, very... very elegant and
beautiful and something that is what most people wouldn't like to
see me as. (note: I've seen the video, and I think Marilyn hit the
nail right on the head... it was definetly different than any video
they've ever done.)
G: Does that also hold true for your live show? Do you always want
to get a surprise out of the audience, do things they're not
expecting you to do?
M: Both physically and musically, I like to always surprise people,
so I think on this tour we're pulling out a lot of interestion
musical things that we've never done before, that they haven't
seen at a Marilyn Manson show before.
G: You seem to polarize people. We get a lot of mail, pro and con,
and people seem to either really love you and the band, or they
hate you. Does that bother you? Do you mind being hated by half the
people?
M: I think its flattering. I think it takes just as much energy to
write a letter that says "I hate Marilyn Manson" as it does to
write one that says "I love 'em." So, its affected them, and I
think those are the same people that are going to love us next year
anyway, so I forgive them ahead of time!
G: That's very magnanimous of you! What about being a role model?
Do you wear that burden easily or not, as far as being this anti-
hero role model for individuality?
M: I've always said that everyone wears a crown, but someone has to
stand and be king. I think I'm really the voice that is speaking for
everyone, and I think that everyone who is a fan or a friend is really
a part of everything that I do, so its one big machine. I think people
will be surprised what a big machine can accomplish when it puts it's
mind to it.
G: When we talked briefly a couple months ago, you mentioned an EP that
you had in the works. Do you have any more details for me?
M: Nothing more than what I said before, except there are a few remixes
that we've released just now for "The Beautiful People" and
"Tourniquet." They're more for clubs, I guess. And I'm continuing to
take time to collaborate with other artists, and some of those
collaborations might appear on the EP in the fall.
G: Are you still working with Billy Corgan and Tricky?
M: Yes, and I also plan to work with Diamanda Galas, and Rasputina.
Some remixes for L7.
G: When are you going to find time to do this when your on tour?
M: I'm always working, because it's not really work to me. I enjoy
doing it.
G: Are you still working with Trent?
M: No.
G: So he's not going to collaborate with you in the future?
M: Not that I know of. I think he's got his hands full because he needs
to make a new record, and I'm not sure if he's started that yet. And
I think ours is a working relationship we've both probably outgrown.
(note: I may be totally out of line here, but I think that last line
is Manson-speak for "I'm sick of being told I ride on Trent Reznor's
coat-tails, so I told him to beat it." Either that, or Trent's still
pissed off about all those cracks they made about his moustache on
European MTV...) We were both very proud of what we've done together,
but you can't stay in the same place for too long.
G: What about more soundtracks? Anything else in the pipeline?
M: I'm doing something for "Spawn".
G: Do you know what song it is yet?
M: No, its not quite official yet.
G: Are you thinking about the new full-length record?
M: Yes, I've already been writing new material, particularly while
we were overseas. A lot of the other cultures had a big impact on me.
The spirituality of the Japanese people and the people of Spain...
There's alot more things that I have to look into about religion (note:
don't go "born-again" on us, Marilyn...) because America has left a
very dirty taste in my mouth when it comes to the idea of God. But its
more open when it comes to these other cultures, and I think "God" is
a part of all of us. It doesn't necessarily have to be Christianity's
idea of God, something that we have to worship and fear. It can be
understanding yourself better. There's a lot more insight into my
personality that I can bring forth on the next record that is not
necessarily so bombastic, that may be more... naked. (note: woo hoo!)
G: I hear tell of some collaboration that you might be doing with
Blackie Lawless, a remake of the old W.A.S.P. song, "Fark Like a
Beast." Is that true?
M: Half true. We were asked about working on a remix, not a remake of
that song, but after recent interviews I've read with Blackie Lawless
where he, I guess, was sort of bragging about his own accomplishments
then knocked down some of mine, so I don't know if I necessarily want
to do that now, I'm not sure. I'll think about it.
G: He was quoted as saying he wanted to "out-Manson Manson."
M: That's a compliment, that someone would use me as a criteria like
that, but at the same time I don't need to be used as somebody's
attempt to regain their credibility. I am a fan of what W.A.S.P. has
done in the past but... we'll see where that [project] goes.
G: You've hurt yourself a lot on stage. I keep reading reports of you
getting cut and hurt. Is this from just getting "caught up in the
moment" or is this something that you know you're going to do?
M: It's part of the adrenaline of being on stage, there's a real
fearlessness and a sense of numbness and immortality, so often I
don't know my own strength and my own limits. In Hawaii, what had
happened was I actually... It was a freak accident and I fell on
stage and landed on a broken bottle, and it went into my hand and
severed an artery and I nearly bled to death so I had to go to the
hospital.
G: Did they put you on an IV?
M: No, it wasn't that serious. We got it wrapped up in time... with
a tourniquet, ironically enough.
G: What do you say to people who say, "Marilyn Manson, oh that's just
a gimmick and he's just trying to be sensational, and he doesn't
believe anything he says"?
M: Marilyn Manson is a mockery of gimmicks itself. I mean, anybody
who underestimates my own perception of what I do is fooling themselves.
Marilyn Manson is all of that: its a gimmick and its not a gimmick.
It's so fake that its real. But everything that I say and do is
sincere as I can possibly be, and it comes from whatever cold, hard
rock of a heart that I have in my chest. (note: c'mon, Marilyn, we all
know you're really a nice guy *wink*) I do care about the people
that care about me, and anybody who doubts me or who doesn't believe
in me is only going to be proven wrong in the future.
G: How did Brian Warner get to be Marilyn Manson?
M: The day I decided to believe in myself. As a kid, I was the worm
that I talk about on the album, and I became Marilyn Manson. I became
the angel that wanted to be God. I think everybody has a desire, and
Antichrist potential, in them. I think I can free that in them, and
everybody can become strong and not be a victim anymore.
G: When you grew up, did you feel like you were destined to do this?
Did you always want attention in this way and this is your outlet?
M: I was always entertaining people one way or another, but there was
always a chip on my shoulder and I always had a malicious streak in
me because when people said things to me or beat me down and didn't
believe in who I was, I always felt like I had the need to "show
them someday," to pay them back in some way.
G: I've been reading about your escapades as a Catholic schoolboy and
how that affected you. Do you think without that bad experience you
might not have done this? (note: she words this as if he's murdered
someone...)
M: Um, its hard to say... You know, you never know how, if you would
have chosen a different path, what ultimate direction... There's some
other world right now where Brian Warner is leading a different life,
but I think everything happens for a reason. Despite all of the very
negative elements of going to a Christian school, it also taught me to
stand out from the rest, because the strict conformity just built into
my character the need to break away from that. And, y'know, I used to
do alot of things that, now that I look back on them, were kind of
amusing. I would set up myself as a candy dealer, like your modern-
day drug dealers, because the kids weren't allowed to have gum, and I
would peddle it to them at overcharged prices. And, obviously, no one
was allowed to listen to heavy metal music, and there was this one
group of kids that I used to take their money and I would go buy
albums for them. They had no concept of how much a record cost, so I
would always charge them twice as much. Then, later in the day,
because we had an honors system, there were no locks on the lockers,
and I would go back and I would steal the albums out of their lockers
and keep them for myself! I remember Motley Crue's "Shout at the
Devil" was the one that I made the most money on. And I'm sure there's
kids today doing the same thing with "Antichrist Superstar"!
G: Speaking of Motley Crue, is it true they wanted to tour with you
but you didn't want to?
M: I have the utmost respect for Motley Crue and the things they've
done in the past. I haven't heard their new album, so I don't know
what it has in store for us. I know that they used Dave Ogilvie for
some of it, he was a producer on our albums, but right now I just
have my little thing to do and its not really appropriate for me to go
on tour with them only because its a conflict of interest as far as
what I want to accomplish. But it's nothing personal against them. I
think its great that they're trying to make a comeback, and I wish
them the best of luck with it.
G: As you know, there are tons of rumors floating about you floating
around right now. What's your favorite?
M: I like 'em all! I think something that would be interesting for
you to see, the American Family Association has a website...
G: Are you "Target of the Week"?
M: Not just the week, I think I'm the basis for their entire
existence! It's not even funny, the things that they're saying,
because their libelous, and I'm suing them for them because...
they say that I force people to mutilate boxloads of puppies before
I go on stage; that I have Satanic rituals where I inflict multiple
stab wounds on teenage girls; that I sodomize 14-year old boys
onstage; that our "female" guitarist performs naked. (note: The
scary thing is that these affidavits are what certain officials were
looking at when they tried to ban Manson from certain places...)
G: Well, that's pretty ignorant, isn't it?
M: (laughs) So it's ironic to me, because these people have taken
such an interest in pornography and filth and deviant behavior, that
they've obtained the ability to dream up some very perverted
fantasies, and I think if they're pointing the finger at me for being
sick, they should look at who's making up the stories.
G: Maybe they've taken some of the stories that they've seen written
about you and embellished them.
M: But they're not even close: They have "sworn affidavits" from
these fictional people that say they've witnessed this, and they say
that I pass out bag-loads of marijuana and cocaine at the shows to the
audience. It's preposterous. I'd save it all for myself, of course!
G: There are a couple of stories that I've read and I wanted to run
them by you. There was on that said that you had your 11 year old
brother on stage naked with you. True?
M: Half true. Here's what that was based on: Twiggy's younger brother,
who appears on "Portrait..." as the boy in front of the TV set, (note:
I've looked for this but I have no idea what he's talking about...)
had run on stage at one of our shows and mooned the audience.
G: Then there was another one, that you were going to commit suicide
on Halloween. Where did that come from?
M: That one was true, because obviously I'm dead and your speaking to
a ghost. Via the Ouija board!
G: I didn't know I could do that! There was another one that you
removed your ribs...
M: Uh, people said that I removed my two bottom ribs so that I could
perform oral sex on myself. But that's untrue. The operation was far
too expensive. I think those started because I wear a medical back-
brace on stage and created the mythology behind that.
G: Have you ever had sex on stage or during a show?
M: Um, well, there was an instance on the NIN tour when the guitar
player came on stage and pulled down his pants, and I performed
oral sex on him for all of about 30 seconds. There was another
instance, probably about 6 years ago in Florida, where a girl
performed oral sex on me on stage. It was during the height of the
2 Live Crew controversy, testing the boundaries, and I found out
very ironicallly that in Florida white people can do whatever they
want; it was only the black people that the police were harassing. I
thought that was an interesting statement on their prejudice.
G: Nobody arrested you for that?
M: Not at all. In fact, there were cops there and I challenged them
to arrest me, but they were being paid off by the Mafia club
owners. It's not what's right and wrong, it's only what's popular and
who's got the most money in America. Both of those incidents, by the
way, were at 21-and-over shows. None of that happened in front of
minors, for the record. That's what everybody seems to be so up in
arms about.
G: I also heard, seriously now, that you came close to suicide at
several points in your life. Can you talk about that at all?
M: I don't know what specific points people are talking about. I mean,
there's been times, particularly when making an album, that all of us
have found ourselves near the edge of whatever sanity we might have.
Whatever it was worth... (pauses) It had to do with drugs or with
psychological evaluation of ourselves. I think we were no more closer
than anybody else has ever come to committing suicide. I've always
used my bad experiences and closeness with death to appreciate life
more, so I wouldn't consider myself a suicidal person at all.
G: Your band's lineup has changed several times. Do you think this is
one is going to stick?
M: If everybody continues to work hard and care about the music as
much as I do, that's really the only criteria that I've ever had.
(note: rumor is Ginger Fish is leaving after this tour.)
G: So far you've found that its working?
M: Yes.
G: How do you account for your appeal? What is it about you that
people focus on -not your detractors, but the people that like you and
like the band? What is it about you?
M: Hard for me to say. I think that's for someone like you, someone in
your position as a writer probably could say more than me. If it
wasn't me, I would like me because I represent everything I like in
music, politics, sex and religion. I'm extreme in everyway and that's
what I like, as a person. In the end, I'm only trying to please
myself, so maybe that's why other people are pleased by it, because I
have very strong criteria. If I please myself, then it must be good
enough for other people, I guess.
G: You referred to my position as a writer, but didn't you work as a
journalist, briefly, in Florida?
M: Briefly.
G: You're on the other side of the tape recorder right now, and as far
as handling the media, did that give you an insight, help a bit?
M: I just that I had all the right questions and no one had all the
right answers, and I knew that I had the right answers, so I thought
it would be much more beneficial for me to be answering the questions
instead of asking them.
G: You appeared briefly in "Lost Highway." What was that experience
like?
M: It was great, that was really how the whole "Lost Highway" film
kicked off. It was the very fist scene shot, over a year and a half
ago. Twiggy and I were in it, it was a bit of a porno snuff scene.
G: Do you die in it?
M: Yes. It's just a real small part, but it was an appropriate way
for me to start my acting career because David Lynch is my favorite
director, and it was a scene where I was naked and I died, so it had
it all. It was very "Marilyn Manson."
G: Do you want to do other films?
M: I have plans to do other things.
G: Such as?...
M: I have alot of offers so I just have to really consider what I'm
interested in most.
G: How interested are you in the Internet?
M: I think it's important to clarify, when it comes to the Internet,
that I don't go online, unless it's like an "official" event, and a
lot of people impersonate me (note: *snicker*) so everyone thinks that
they have spoken to me online. I'm creating my own website so that we
can clarify... its almost done.
G: Are you involved as far as the design and the content?
M: Yeah, I have to be. I can never trust people to do anything for me
because I like things to be the way I like them. Nobody else knows
the way I think, so I have to.
G: Do you feel that the Internet is a useful tool as a way to speak to
the world?
M: Absolutely, I think its acheived further world domination for
Marilyn Manson!
G: How do you deal with some of the negative aspects of fame and
popularity, such as you can't go out without being recognized and
you can't be anonymous if you so desire? Does that bug you, or do you
deal with it as something that came with the territory?
M: I guess that if I wanted to be anonymous, I wouldn't have chosen
this as a career. Anybody who complains about that is kind of fooling
themselves. I mean, there are times when you wish that you had more
privacy, but you make your bed and now you have to sleep in it. It's
not something that I'm going to complain about, it's just something
that you learn to live with. You change your lifestyle. I have no
problem with people as long as they're polite. I understand that
people appreciate what I do and that they want to meet me. I'm not
going to hate them for that.
G: What do you do about the real rabid fans who offer you body parts,
or ask you to draw blood?
M: Well, I treat people with the same amount of respect that they
treat themselves -and me.
G: I hear that your fans offer you prothsetic limbs for your
collection now. How many do you have?
M: I'm not sure, because I haven't sat down and counted them, but
there's quite a few.
G: Does anything shock you? Is there anything that makes you go,
"Whoa!"
M: It shocks me that I'm in America and something like this incident
in South Carolina could actually happen because I thought we were in
a different day and age where people were intelligent enough to
understand art and music. Apparently that's not the case, and they're
proving that I've made in my show about the similarities between
right-wing religious groups and Christianity to things like
totalitarianism and fascist Germany and things like that (note: I
think communist China is a better comparison; there are a few
controversial rock stars over in China that have "disappeared" and I
think that if people like C. Delores Tucker and Bill Bennet ran the
country our beloved hero might be sleeping with the fishes by now...)
They're proving these points now and I think they don't even see the
irony in their own hostile activities.
G: It must get really wearing on you.
M: It's actually become another dimension of what I do. It's not
just about music and entertainment now, it's about standing up for
people's rights to express themselves. If they knock me down, they're
going to knock someone else down after me. So I mean, I'm really in
the front lines.
G: Did you want to be in that position, of First Amendment spokesperson?
M: It doesn't matter at this point if I want to or not. I've chosen
to and now I have to see it to the end, really.
G: It's similar to KISS and Alice Cooper and anyone else in previous
generations who kids liked and parents hated. Do you agree?
M: It's the same, and I think that's why I've appreciated these
people for what they've done in the past and I think ten years from
now some other band will appreciate me for standing up for their
ability to do the same thing. If it weren't for people like us, then
there wouldn't be this type of music.
G: Have you seen the KISS reunion tour this year?
M: I saw it last summer.
G: I remember that you told me KISS was your first concert.
M: You konw, it was like being a kid again. It reminded me of when I
was ten years old and I saw the KISS "Dynasty" tour.
G: What did you think of it this time?
M: Well, I looked at it differently, but I enjoyed it. KISS are what
they are, and they've never changed (note: except for those 15 years
when they changed the lineup and took off their makeup of course...)
though the times have changed around them and that's why they've come
in and out of style. (note: actually, its more like they decided to
do a reunion at a time when nostalgia was in and THAT's why they've
come back in style ONCE... but nevermind me, I'm just a KISS-hater-
party-pooper...)But they've always stayed at what they've been, and if
people think they're cheesy, they need to realize that KISS invented
cheesy! They have to be respected for that. (note: I don't hate KISS
because they're cheesy, or because they were extremely successful.
I hate them because they took all the androgyny and perversion -the fun
-out of glam rock, and because their music really sucks.)
G: Some other off the wall questions for you: I heard that the crew
was not allowed to mention sports around you, and that you get really
pissed off about that. True?
M: When you move in a detached, kind of supernatural reality that we
do, you need to have some sort of taboos, so we've created our own
taboos, our own likes, our own dislikes, and sports is one of them.
But now, I think I'm going to start liking sports just to find a
thrill, to feel like I'm doing something "bad!" Rules are always made
to be broken. Generally, I think it's probably because the people that
have played sports in schools when I was growing up never really
liked me. I think that scarred me.
G: Between performing live and creating in the studio, do you like
both equally, or do you prefer one more than the other?
M: Part of me likes each. As the "Marilyn" side, the glamour, show-
business element of me loves the instant gratification of performing
songs, but the darker, philosophical side, the "Manson" side I think,
likes creating and likes to make sure each little note has to
correspond with each word.
G: What about the other parts of touring: the road life, the hotels,
the traveling? Does that get to you, or do you like it?
M: I don't really pay much attention to it too much. I like being on
tour because its just second nature to me. I don't own a home or a
car.
G: I have a bunch of questions from our readers. Do you keep in touch
with any of your ex-bandmates, like Daisy and Sara Lee?
M: I have not heard from Sara Lee Lucas. He is rumored to still be
living in Florida, and despite all the hospitality that I had given
him in the past, the years that I had babied him during his drug
addiction, and the many times that I saved his life, I only get
hostility from him and so I wish him the worst. And Daisy Berkowitz I
see from time to time, and I have no problems with him. He and I are
still on pleasant terms I guess.
G: Are you Satanist, bisexual, or both?
M: I think "Satanist" is a limited term. I think "Marilyn Manson" is a
much clearer definition of what I represent, and Satanism is one
element of it, as is Christianity, as are little bits of everything.
But a lot of my phoilosophy is obviously based on the writings of
people like Aleister Crowley and Friedrich Nietzche. And bisexual...
again, that's like a "people's term" that kind of limits what you are.
I think I like people for who they are, so I don't think it would
necessarily matter if it was a guy or a girl, but generally I tend to
identify with women more.
G: I've heard tell that you've had a girlfriend for 5 years standing,
is that so?
M: Yes.
G: How often do you get to see her?
M: (pause)Hard question to answer... I see her as much as I can. She's
very understanding.
G: I guess she'd have to be. Is marriage in your future?
M: No, I think that's a Christian American convention...
G: That you want to flout, I suppose?
M: I don't have a conventional relationship. It's not possible for
a person like me to, so it's something that I never really talk about
because I don't think people can understand it.
G: What attracts you to someone?
M: Probably characteristics that are opposite of my own. People that
I can learn from.
G: Anything physical?
M: I don't think so, nothing specific. I mean, there's certain
archetypes of women that I consider to be my favorites, like Marilyn
Monroe or Betty Page, but that's just a generalization, I guess, more
than an aesthetic thing than something you can ever really have.
G: What music are you currently listening to?
M: I was just listening to Squirrel Nut Zippers... Judas Priest's
"Point of Entry", the Pretenders, Fiona Apple, Monster Magnet's
"Dopes to Infinity."
G: This reader wants to know your natural hair color, what color your
eyes really are, and your height and weight.
M: Well, there's nothing natural about me. In fact, I've gone to great
lengths to modify my body in different ways, whether its been through
coloring, scarification, plastic surgery, all sorts of things, to make
myself less of what I used to be. Maybe that's my way of forgetting
who I was. It's not that I'm ashamed of what I was, I think it was
just part of me recreating myself. So, there's nothing quite natural
about me, I tend to consider myself very supernatural and very
unreal. (note: Mr. Manson has reddish brown hair, light brown eyes,
he's 6'1" and 130 lbs.)
G: What about the future, in terms of what you look for, what you
want, how long you think the band will be together... where do you see
this going?
M: The band will be together as long as we enjoy doing this. When we
stop enjoying this is when we stop being together. I think the way
I think doesn't necessarily have to be limited to music, it could
exist in other forms, so... I think I'll always be expressing myself,
I can't promise it will always be in music, but I think music's my
favorite way so I'm sure we'll probably remain in music for quite
some time.
G: Do you have anything else to say to the fans?
M: I appreciate the ones who take the time to understand. I appreciate
the support that they've given us over the years. I don't want the world
to bring them down because they can believe in themselves, despite the
fact that nobody else does, because I've learned that myself.
-Typed up by the Twiglet... by the way, Marilyn has always been my
favorite member of the band, and I only poke fun at him because I love
him ;)
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