Session Start: Sun Dec 28 12:18:03 1997

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#geffen topic is Jim Griffin Will Be Here Today (12-28-97) At 4:30 P.M. Central, 5:30 Eastern, To Answer Questions.

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<SamRuss> did I miss it?

<SamRuss> HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELO!!!!!

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<Manabatt> Hello

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<SamRuss> how many hours left?

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<SamRuss> HOW MUCH TIME LEFT???!!!!!!!!!!

<Manabatt> Enough to screw a gifthorse

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<SamRuss> wow

<SamRuss> phew

<SamRuss> Then I wont have to worry

<JimBliss> Hi everyone

<SamRuss> JimBliss from Bliss REcords?

<JimBliss> right

<SamRuss> cool..hi

<JimBliss> Hi

<SamRuss> sup?

<JimBliss> Not much

<JimBliss> just checking out IRC enough so I know what I'm doing at 5:30

<JimBliss> I usally use ICQ.

<SamRuss> what time is it now?

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<JimBliss> 12:56

<JimBliss> EST

<JimBliss> so it's gonna be a while

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<SamRuss> yeah

<JimBliss> not until 5:30

<JimBliss> So everyone has heard some of the FMD here?

<Manabatt> fmd?

<SamRuss> yeah..i got all except for love buzz..

<SamRuss> It dissapeared boefroe i could get it

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<SamRuss> before

<JimBliss> only one FMD song was up Laminated Effect

<Manabatt> What is FMD?

<SamRuss> shit..yeah..hehehe.

<SamRuss> sorry

<Manabatt> Fun Motherfucking Day?

<SamRuss> I mean the KAOS

<JimBliss> Fecal Matter Demo

<Manabatt> I haven't heard any of it

<Manabatt> Is it good?

<SamRuss> I missed Love Buzz form KAOS

<SamRuss> not really

<SamRuss> it's cool, but I wouldn't say it's good

<Manabatt> Is geffen releasing it?

<SamRuss> hahahahha

<SamRuss> ask Mr. Griffin

<JimBliss> It's the earlyest demo I've ever heard.

<JimBliss> not the best.

<JimBliss> at all

<Manabatt> Why would I ask mr griffin

<SamRuss> Cause he is from Geffen...

<Manabatt> but why would he not release it?

<JimBliss> I wanna know about the 94 sessions

<SamRuss> Cause the quality sucks

<SamRuss> Yeah...I wanna know that too

<SamRuss> did they take place in March?

<JimBliss> songs isn't the best either

<JimBliss> there were two sessions

<SamRuss> So I've heard

<SamRuss> but why isn't there any bootlegs?

<JimBliss> I'll brb

<JimBliss> wife needs the phone

<SamRuss> ok

<Manabatt> Has anyone seen my contacts?

<SamRuss> yeah...they are right beside you..

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<JimBliss> I'm back

<SamRuss> cool

<JimBliss> So what's going on in here?

<SamRuss> haha..not much

<SamRuss> how old are u?

<JimBliss> 21

<SamRuss> ok

<SamRuss> have u got bootlegs?

<JimBliss> and more too

<SamRuss> u got anything from '94 after Terminal Einz?

<JimBliss> the latest I have is 3/1/94

<SamRuss> that is Terminal Einz

<SamRuss> the one with "my best friends girl"

<JimBliss> the earlyest is FMD

<SamRuss> Is there any earlier?

<JimBliss> not that'd I'd call Nirvana

<JimBliss> that I know of

<SamRuss> ok

<SamRuss> have u got any videos?

<JimBliss> yeah

<SamRuss> many?

<JimBliss> rare videos are on my way

<JimBliss> not a lot right now, nothing good.

<JimBliss> I'm getting 12/21/88

<JimBliss> complete unplugged

<JimBliss> 3/1/94

<SamRuss> wow..never heard of that on

<SamRuss> one

<SamRuss> cool

<JimBliss> and

<SamRuss> that stuff is being horded

<SamRuss> hoarded

<JimBliss> Not really

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<JimBliss> rare traders have them

<JimBliss> 3/1/94 isn't complete

<SamRuss> I haven't seen it anywhere

<JimBliss> 3 songs

<SamRuss> didn't they only play like three songs?

<JimBliss> no they did more I'm pretty sure

<SamRuss> then he lost his voice..

<JimBliss> So everyone here has heard my mp3s that were on Bliss Records?

<SamRuss> Not Love Buzz...

<Thomas> JimBliss: No, the site was down before I visited. Also, does anyone know what/any rules will be in place when Griffin shows up? Thanks

<JimBliss> What do you mean by rules?

<Manabatt> I want to listen to them

<SamRuss> no

<JimBliss> I hope everyone will be nice...

<Manabatt> I think Griffin will be a dick

<Thomas> Is everyone gonna be asking all at once. Is it moderated, etc. Are people going to be polite or just shagging the Geffen rep( myself I'll just be staying in the background and watching )

<JimBliss> Just like this chat

<JimBliss> as far as I know.

<Thomas> Ok, cool

<JimBliss> I want info on the 94 sessions

<JimBliss> Box set too

<SamRuss> there is none

<JimBliss> I'm sure he knows something about the 94 sessions

<SamRuss> All I know is that Courtney has one of them

<JimBliss> I think he'd have too, but I could be wrong, I guess we'll see

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<SamRuss> Cause it was recorded in Kurt's basement

<JimBliss> I heard someone at Geffen heard some of that, I heard from a daughter of someone that works there

<SamRuss> ok..but there is supposed to be a studio session too

<JimBliss> These other sessions were done at Geffen.

<JimBliss> two of them in fact

<SamRuss> SO why are they unavailable?

<JimBliss> and the basement one is something totally different.

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<JimBliss> just ureleased, that's why.

<SamRuss> I have bootlegs from other Geffen sessions...

<JimBliss> Jim Giffin says, they only release what the band wants released.

<SamRuss> why not this one...

<JimBliss> no boots are out because only Geffen has them

<SamRuss> WEll..Geffen was supposed to have the other sessions too, but they got out...

<JimBliss> Well the band or someone got copies of it.

<JimBliss> They learned from pass mistakes, I'd say.

<SamRuss> Maybe you're right...But there must be some greedy person there...

<SamRuss> It's not taht hard to make a copy...

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<JimBliss> maybe they're locked up

<SamRuss> heh..maybe

<SamRuss> I wanna hear on the mountain studio..

<JimBliss> I'm sure they would think that someone doing that.

<SamRuss> Cause the bootleg version is bad quality

<JimBliss> Well will sooner or later.

<JimBliss> My quality is a lot better than bootleg copies.

<Manabatt> S

<SamRuss> I have your...

<JimBliss> pcc remix is almost official quality

<JimBliss> the last version I put up on BR.

<SamRuss> You think?

<JimBliss> if you heard it before it was put to mp3, you'd know what I mean.

<SamRuss> It's better than the other versions, but it's not good quality

<SamRuss> Yeah...He did a great work

<JimBliss> when it goes to mp3, it messes up the sound.

<Manabatt> whats bliss' webpage

<JimBliss> I only used 96000kbps, this brings the quality really down.

<SamRuss> it does?

<JimBliss> yeah

<SamRuss> I think .Mp3 is CD quality

<JimBliss> messes with the treble

<JimBliss> mp3s are compressed.

<JimBliss> it trys to lose the sounds we can't hear anyways.

<SamRuss> I know..but it's almost CD quality

<SamRuss> better than tapes

<Manabatt> whats bliss' webpage

<JimBliss> 280000 kbps is the best

<SamRuss> yeah

<JimBliss> I only used 96000 for the size of them.

<JimBliss> Bliss Records was a web page I had.

<Manabatt> What is the URL

<SamRuss> Is it really a company?

<JimBliss> I had some really rare stuff like FMD songs, and KAOS 4/87 show/demo.

<JimBliss> remastered for better sound quality.

<JimBliss> just a web page name.

<SamRuss> ok

<SamRuss> FMD songs? FMD song...?

<JimBliss> I do have the Fecal Matter & KAOS on CD.

<JimBliss> Fecal Matter Demo

<SamRuss> I know..But it was only one song..

<JimBliss> Laminated Effect was up before the page got shut down.

<SamRuss> wasn't it?

<JimBliss> the demo is 7 long

<JimBliss> I only put one on the page.

<SamRuss> yup

<JimBliss> the page got shut down

<Manabatt> What is the URL?

<JimBliss> it's been deleted off the net.

<SamRuss> It's not there anymore...why do ya want the URL?

<Manabatt> Why did it get deleted?

<JimBliss> copy right laws

<SamRuss> I hope they release the box set soon

<SamRuss> not in two years like Krist says

<JimBliss> I'd say 1999-2000 it'll be released, I bet.

<JimBliss> but I could be way wrong.

<SamRuss> I hope it's coming soon

<Manabatt> Do you still have the mp3's?

<SamRuss> Why isn't MTV releasing the concerts they have shot?

<JimBliss> copy right laws

<Manabatt> Do you still have the mp3's?

<JimBliss> Why isn't unplugged on VCR?

<JimBliss> same thing I just don't know.

<SamRuss> I've read about some cool concerts, shot by MTV, but impossible to get

<JimBliss> I have that stuff on CD, I remastered it and put it to CD

<JimBliss> but the copy right laws

<SamRuss> Unplugged is available..it's easy to find

<JimBliss> I can't

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<Manabatt> Do you still have the mp3's?

<SamRuss> u can't what?

<JimBliss> the complete copy of unplugged or sort of hard, if your not on the net.

<SamRuss> I have both the edited version and the full uncut versioin

<JimBliss> VCR tape that is.

<JimBliss> I can't give anything away

<JimBliss> copy right laws

<Manabatt> nobodies gonna tell

<JimBliss> Where in a Geffen chat room

<Manabatt> go to Mana

<JimBliss> this conversation is really dumb, I think

<SamRuss> ahh...so what

<SamRuss> they can read all about it on the net anyway

<JimBliss> Like I bet you don't have anything to offer me. Manabatt

<SamRuss> HELLO GEFFEN!!!!

<SamRuss> :)

<Manabatt> Your right I don't but thats because I need somthing to start off with

<JimBliss> Well lots of people d/led the mp3s

<JimBliss> so look around and you'll find someone with them.

<Manabatt> But I never heard of the site

<SamRuss> too bad

<JimBliss> My site was the most popular I think, so I don't know why you haven't heard of it.

<SamRuss> Why doesn't geffen have an email on their site?

<JimBliss> but it's gone now....

<JimBliss> I don't know?

<SamRuss> It sucks that you can't write to them

<JimBliss> I've heard that

<JimBliss> anybody@geffen.com

<JimBliss> works

<SamRuss> haha..I've emailed thatone a hundred times...no answer

<JimBliss> Do you expect an answer? really?

<SamRuss> well..no

<SamRuss> hehe

<JimBliss> If the e-mail doesn't bounce back

<JimBliss> it's a real e-mail.

<Manabatt> 

<SamRuss> But I still think it sucks

<Manabatt> hi

<Manabatt> 4,1hi

<JimBliss> Today you can ask questions when Jim Griffin gets on.

<JimBliss> Hi

<SamRuss> yeah..but he will probably get 200 questions at the same time

<SamRuss> and ppl are gonna be mean...

<SamRuss> and he is gonna quit within five minutes...

<JimBliss> If anyone is mean, I'll be pissed at them.

<SamRuss> yeah

<SamRuss> me too

<JimBliss> This guy is sending his time on us

<JimBliss> Even if you don't respect him, you have to respect that he at least took the time to do this.

<SamRuss> yeah

<SamRuss> absolutely

<JimBliss> Nobody else at Geffen has done this before.

<SamRuss> no

<JimBliss> I really want info on the unreleased things they have, like the ones I don't have.

<SamRuss> me too

<JimBliss> and what I'm permitted to do and isn't permitted to do would be nice too.

<SamRuss> permitted to do?

<JimBliss> Well like web page wise.

<SamRuss> you just said u had several boots, that is not permitted I bet

<JimBliss> Well how long can a clip be?

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<JimBliss> like 30?

<JimBliss> like 1 min.

<SamRuss> yeah...

<JimBliss> Can't I do anything in a clip?

<SamRuss> But I mean, at home..I don't think it's legal to have boots at home..

<JimBliss> or only unreleased?

<JimBliss> Even Jack Endino admits he has boots at home.

<JimBliss> so I'm not really worryied about that.

<SamRuss> But I mean...how did u get them..trading?

<SamRuss> not good

<JimBliss> The companies making them is isn't permitted

<JimBliss> or the selling of them or hand out of them

<JimBliss> I don't think having one is illegal.

<JimBliss> I think trading may be illegal, but I don't know

<SamRuss> so you got all yours for free?

<SamRuss> trading, selling..same thing

<JimBliss> even that wouldn't be permitted.

<SamRuss> you get something for it

<JimBliss> I've got mine a lot of different ways.

<JimBliss> some given.

<JimBliss> some other ways

<SamRuss> :)

<SamRuss> that's what I mean..everybody trades

<JimBliss> That's like coping a VCR tape though

<JimBliss> you don't get introuble unless you tell the world about it (the net)

<SamRuss> Yeah..and that's illegal

<Manabatt> brb

<SamRuss> what does it matter if u use the net or not?

<SamRuss> U tell ppl about it anyway

<JimBliss> I just say I'm getting stuff from now on,

<JimBliss> and all in all this is the truth.

<SamRuss> what do you mean getting stuff?

<JimBliss> Nirvana related stuff

<JimBliss> Right now I have 2 things that the Fecal Matter Quest doesn't even have.

<SamRuss> from now on?

<SamRuss> what's that?

<JimBliss> two rare things on tapes.

<SamRuss> what?

<SamRuss> VCR?

<SamRuss> or just audio?

<JimBliss> not anything really cool...music wise.

<JimBliss> audio

<SamRuss> from when?

<JimBliss> I have to go.

<JimBliss> sorry

<JimBliss> bye

<SamRuss> tsss

<SamRuss> damn..

<SamRuss> u still there Manabratt?

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<SamRuss> I wonder if Geffen is going to read all this...

<SamRuss> It'll take time..

<SamRuss> haha

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<Opinion> almost 2 hours until Jim is here!

<Opinion> 1 hour and 50 minutes

<Opinion> hello?

<Manabatt> Hi

<Manabatt> How are u?

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<twarineke> when will jim griffin be here ?

<twarineke> hello btw

<Spikey33> 5:30

<Spikey33> twarineke how are u?

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<twarineke> i'm fine, and u ?

<twarineke> when is 5.30 how long is that from now ? I'm not really familiar with these different time notations..

<Spikey33> Good

<Spikey33> about 2 hours from now

<Spikey33> Are u m\f?

<Spikey33> twarineke?

<twarineke> i'm male, u ?

<twarineke> thank you for the information...

<Spikey33> Sure anytime. And I am male also.

<twarineke> how old are you ? 33 ?

<Spikey33> twarineke what is your real name?

<twarineke> Nicky

<Spikey33> 15 I just picked 33 to be different

<Spikey33> BRB

<twarineke> k

<Opinion> Jim Griffin will be here in an hour and a half

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<twarineke> how long will he stay here ?

<Opinion> he said he owuld be here as long as it takes to answer everybodys questions

<Opinion> so probably 2 hours depending on how many people show up

<Spikey33> yea

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<Opinion> were expecting around 30-50 people

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<Manabatt> Who are you opinion?

<twarineke> I need to go now, I'll be back later..

<Opinion> well, its the best nirvana song i like that fits

<Opinion> i mean that doesnt have to many letters

<twarineke> Breed...

<twarineke> School..

<Opinion> but its not one of my favorites

<twarineke> anyone wanna visit my Nirvana site ?

<Manabatt> sure

<Opinion> i like talk to me, return of the rat, pen cap chew... but all of those wouldnt fit in the nickname space

<twarineke> http://www.tornado.be/~end/

<Opinion> is yours still up?

<Opinion> mine was one of the ones taken down :(

<Manabatt> Why was it taken down?

<Opinion> geffen took it down...

<Opinion> im not really sure why

<Manabatt> Did it have any files on it?

<Opinion> i am going to ask Jim what the sites had to have to be taken don

<Opinion> yeah, but they were links

<Manabatt> I found a site with RA's on it and am downloading them b4 it gets taken down

<Opinion> the only files actually in that directory were a couple font files

<twarineke> I have a couple, only a few, "rare" song on ra-files

<Opinion> im gonna ask jim what we cant have on the page

<Manabatt> do you still?

<Opinion> do i still what?

<Manabatt> have the rare ra's

<Opinion> i never had any

<twarineke> I still have mine online

<Opinion> i remember your site from a long time ago, and it said 'this page exists 1 year' then also

<twarineke> Bambie Kill and stuff

<twarineke> yes, I know I'm only gonna change that when it exists for two years..

<twarineke> that will be in april

<twarineke> if you don't mind and have some spare time, I'd love you to sign the guestbook

<Opinion> oh

<Opinion> april what?

<Opinion> would you be interested in trading bootlegs?

<twarineke> In april my site will exist two year

<twarineke> yeah sure, but plss sent me a e-mail about trading

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<twarineke> I need to update my list urgently too..

<twarineke> hey ! I have a question for you all.. CDnow sells a Cd-single that is Called Kurt Cobain, and it's supposed to have some interview footage on it, is this a bootleg or official ? anyway Its not for sale in Belgium where I live..

<Opinion> im not sure...

<twarineke> do you trade foo fighters too ?

<SVirone> Let get this hing started NOW!

<SVirone> (thing)

<eskil> yeah!

<eskil> I'm ready right now

<eskil> !

<Opinion> are you Shane Virone?

<SVirone> Yeah. Who are you?

<Opinion> you dont know me... i remember seeing your name somewhere

<eskil> Who?, me?

<eskil> oh.

<eskil> long ping.. sorry!

<Opinion> i think it was on a good traders page!

<SVirone> Really, I don't trade much....

<SVirone> Anyone interested in trading?

<Opinion> do you have any bad references? i mean ppl who didnt send?

<SVirone> No, not really.

<Opinion> have you ever been ripped off?

<Manabatt> I need some bootlegs to start me off

<Opinion> i have a couple times, but ive never ripped anybody off!

<SVirone> Just Joe Henchcliffe. He sends but it takes so long. And he uses type 1 tapes.

<Opinion> Manabatt... i will trade with you! or do you have any?

<LuckyDog> Hey everyone's early

<SVirone> Jim's here?

<Opinion> SVirone, i heard their was a kid who claims he has a lot of rare stuff, but he ripped everybody off? have you heard of him?

<Manabatt> I don't have anything

<SVirone> I guess. He said he had a lot of videos.

<twarineke> opinion, are you James ?

<Opinion> Manabatt, do you buy?

<Opinion> no, im not james

<Manabatt> I could if it's not to expensive

<LuckyDog> hey the chat starts in 2 hrs right?

<Opinion> Manabatt do you want audios or videos?

<SVirone> "jgriffin"-are you the real Jim Giffen?

<LuckyDog> need to check if it's the right time over here...

<jgriffin> no

<jgriffin> just kidding with ya

<SVirone> who are you?

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<twarineke> what nickname will Jim Griffin use, anyone now that ?

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<SVirone> tededfred

<Opinion> Manabatt do you want audios or videos?

<Manabatt> Either, it doesn't matter, I don't want low quality though

<twarineke> he will use tededfred ? you're kidding ?

<SVirone> I don't think it's a good idea to talk about boot trading in here. What if Jim is really here now?

<Opinion> Manabatt, ok, i can get you some high quality stuff!

<SVirone> I really don't know what he will use

<Thomas_Da> SVirone: And what can he do if there is boot trading in here now?

<twarineke> If Jim is really in here, then I just wanna say to him : Geffen has to release some good Quality Nirvana concerts !!!

<Opinion> i heard it is only illegal if you buy or sell, but not trade

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<Opinion> Manabatt.. how much are you willing to spend?

<Manabatt> Accept the DCC and we'll talk through it

<twarineke> anyway I have to go now, but I'll be back soon.......

<twarineke> bye

<twarineke> c u later

<SVirone> Well, trading isn't really legal-but it's not illeagal/

<Thomas_Da> In Canada it is illegal to merely possess bootleg albums/videos, but the police do not have the time nor inclination to go after people

<Manabatt> My friend has the Out CD

<Manabatt> I'm pretty sure it is a good bootleg, it is high quality

<SVirone> There is going to be a lot of people in here. It's going to be crazy.

<^GhOSt_^> hey all.

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<Onno> I hope so... as many people as possible

<^GhOSt_^> Have any of you talking to Jim b4 ?

<SVirone> I don't want 200 people here.

<Onno> yeah griffin mailed me a few times

<^GhOSt_^> Yeah, Him & I get along greatly, I stayed up 'til 6:30am EST talking to him about computers, command and conquer, and nirvana

<eskil> why would he mail you?

<^GhOSt_^> I talk to him all the time, he talks to everyone.

<^GhOSt_^> Always replies to emails

<Onno> because he doesn't like bliss :)

<Manabatt> He e-mailed me once telling me that I shouldn't bash geffen on my webpage

<Onno> He always sends me really long emails...

<Opinion> he never emailed me, he just took my page down and that was that

<eskil> and talks about what?

<^GhOSt_^> He always sends me emails like 'We have to protect the artist'

<eskil> his sexlife?

<^GhOSt_^> and all the legal stuff...

<^GhOSt_^> But he's a great guy, though, you have to understand

<Opinion> wjhat is his emil address?

<Onno> I don't like the guy... much too corporate

<^GhOSt_^> griffin@geffen.com

<^GhOSt_^> Oh, well I just said to him 'Can we talk on a personal level?' and he was just like 'Sure!'

<Opinion> k, thanks!

<^GhOSt_^> He was great, we talked about computers and Quake and stuff.

<Onno> don't mass email the poor guy

<Opinion> i wont

<Opinion> i just want to ask him a few question...

<Onno> alrighty

<SVirone> I bet some one e-mail bombs him.

<^GhOSt_^> lol

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<Manabatt> If anyone e-mail bombs him before I get to talk to him I'll kick their ass :)

<SVirone> He's just doing his job.

<eskil> ok... gotta go bomb a guy.. see ya all later ok?

<Opinion> im not gonna email bomb him

<eskil> haha

<eskil> I'm gonna make sure he wont come here tonight..... he is a quer

<SVirone> I've never understood why everyone gets pissed when people have to close their sound pages. The sound sucks, and most of us have the songs on CD/tape.

<^GhOSt_^> I have about 50 MP3s ...

<SVirone> Did you hear that Geffen was planning a release of ALL Nirvana shows that they have? But didn't because of the boot trading of the internet..

<Onno> I don't have the songs on cd/tape

<^GhOSt_^> Yeah, he told me last night that him and Krist were going through Krist's personal collection of DATs and they had an idea of released EVERY live song they ever did...

<^GhOSt_^> but that idea got crushed.

<^GhOSt_^> He said "They were like nothing you've ever heard before. They were amazing. Krist was always very good at keeping his DATs organized"

<^GhOSt_^> He was a bit reluctant about answering questions about Nirvana... it was wierd.

<Opinion> maybe we can talk him into releasing it still!

<^GhOSt_^> hey, It's Jim

<Griffin> Hi there.

<SVirone> Hello!

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<^GhOSt_^> <-- ^OpenlyGhOSt_^

<^GhOSt_^> you remember me, right?

<Griffin> I'm a bit early, but thought I'd drop in. Of course I remember you Ghast.

<Griffin> Ghost

<^GhOSt_^> cool.

<Manabatt> Hello

<Opinion> hey Jim!

<eskil> quer

<^GhOSt_^> We were just talking about nirvana rarities

<Griffin> Hi Layla, Onno, others.

<Onno> shit I need to go just as you come in...

<Opinion> eskil, go away

<SVirone> Jim, does Geffen own the rights to everything Kurt ever did?(Including stuff like Fecal Matter)

<eskil> just kidding

<Opinion> what were on Nirvana pages that made you take them down?

<Griffin> I really don't know who owns what. That would be a question for lawyers.

<Manabatt> Jim, If a band wanted to play Nirvana songs who would they talk to

<Griffin> We never take down pages, nor do we ask for them to be taken down.

<Onno> Does Geffen have fecal matter and the crover demos?

<^GhOSt_^> Why do they go down? out of fear?

<Griffin> Anyone can play Nirvana songs. I think Kurt would love that.

<Onno> As I said before, taking down is what I call it. It's here, and then it's gone.

<^GhOSt_^> You just don't like the distribution of full-length songs, to protect the artist.

<^GhOSt_^> You want them to be released 'Responsibly'?

<Griffin> Public performances require payment of fees, but that is normal in the music biz.

<Griffin> The only thing we ask is that full-length songs be distributed only with the permission of the artist.

<porcupine> glad to see we all obeyed the 2:30 pm pacific time starting point

<porcupine> =)

<SVirone> I heard about that idea to release every DAT you have of Nirvana shows. Do you think that would ever happen?

<Manabatt> But since the band is scattered who'se permission is it to give?

<Opinion> then why has their been a LOT of Nirvana pages taken down lately?

<Onno> damn I'll be back when it officialy starts. i hope jim is still here then

<Griffin> I would like to see it happen. Others will decide. We've shown them a way to do it. Designed it and demonstrated it.

<SVirone> That would be GREAT.

<Griffin> A lot of Nirvana pages are down lately because we asked a lot of people to remove full-length songs.

<Opinion> but the artist is dead, would we thwn need your permission?

<^GhOSt_^> can you explain to me, Jim, how that digital distribution works? or is that top-secret?

<porcupine> The artist is not dead

<Griffin> When we ask a provider to remove a full-length song, they often find other violations. And they act in the way they prefer.

<porcupine> Just because Kurt died doesn't mean that copyright doesn't apply anymore

<Griffin> Some providers simply rememdy the full-length song issue. Others take down the page. That is their choice, not ours.

<porcupine> Otherwise we could all be posting full-length Beatles or Elvis songs, right?

<^GhOSt_^> What is that way you showed them how to do it?

<Opinion> who is it that takes Nirvana pages down?

<porcupine> No one "takes the pages down"

<Opinion> my page just had to links to those kind of songs, does that still result in the taking down of them?

<porcupine> Geffen (usually Jim) will e-mail you and ask you to remove the copyrighted material

<Griffin> I think the real issue is different than copyright.

<Griffin> I think the real issue is bandwidth economics.

<porcupine> If the servers of the page (ie: geocities) are notified, they may choose to remove the entire page

<porcupine> true, Jim

<Griffin> Because it is expensive to serve multimedia files, many site operators either use ...

<NirvClub> hey Jim

<SVirone> Do you have any info on a regular CD release.

<Griffin> ... Geocities, or they "remote stage" on Geocities or Tripod ...

<Opinion> so the only thing that is not aloud on pages are full length songs?

<Manabatt> Are there any plans in the immedeate future to release a CD

<Griffin> ... with the result that they are at risk for violating any of a number of policies, including a prohibition against "remote staging" of multimedia files.

<^GhOSt_^> So if you put less than 75% of the song, that doesn't count?

<Opinion> oh

<Griffin> There is a Hole record scheduled for mid-May, but no Nirvana on the release schedule at this tiem.

<porcupine> When is the first single from the Hole record out?

<Griffin> The industry standard on clips is 30 seconds is OK. Anything else is pushing it.

<Manabatt> What is a hole record?

<SVirone> Jim, what do you think about groups like "The Fecal Matter Quest?"

<Griffin> Even the Geffen site is limited to 30-second clips. We'd love to use full-length songs on our own site.

<Opinion> is the ONLY thing not aloud full length songs? or is their other stuff not aloud?

<porcupine> The band "Hole" -- courtney, eric, patty, and melissa...

<NirvClub> Jim, are they are plans of a new Nirvana release at this time ?

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<Opinion> what about midi files?

<Griffin> The only line we've drawn is full-length content.

<NirvClub> there

<Griffin> No Nirvna releases that I am aware of, but they could well be working on something.

<Griffin> We've never complained about a midi file. They're quite pitiful, of course, so it seems unnecessary. <smile>

<porcupine> So the new Sonic Youth is out on March 24th, and not February like the rumours were saying?

<porcupine> hehe

<SVirone> What do you think about Rob Holmes's "Fecal Matter Quest?"

<^GhOSt_^> lol midi

<Griffin> And midi files are not recorded or performed by the band.

<NirvClub> Jim, are there are plans of a new Nirvana release at this time ?

<NirvClub> any

<NirvClub> I can't spell today

<NirvClub> heh

<Griffin> Sonic Youth is 24 March.

<Opinion> so a full length midi is 'bad' ?

<porcupine> Everyone, please stop asking THAT! Jim already answered (re: New Nirvana release)

<Griffin> No plans for a new Nirvana release that I am aware of, but I am just about the worst person to ask about that.

<^GhOSt_^> Jim : What would you think of a full-length cover of a nirvana, for example, and MP3 of my band doing a cover of one of the rarities?

<porcupine> Do you know when the first Hole single will be out, Jim?

<^GhOSt_^> is that an infringement on any copyrights?

<^GhOSt_^> I did a gig last month, and I played Milk It, Pennyroyal Tea, and lithium, was that a violation of some type ?

<SVirone> Anyway-the "Fecal Matter Quest" has been shut down today.

<Griffin> We would be happy for you to cover Nirvana, so long as you follow any rules on distributing your music.

<Opinion> i heard their was box set (or something) that was released within the last month... is that true? has their been any Nirvana related material released within the last year?

<Griffin> I'm always sad to hear about the loss of a web site. It's not our goal.

<Opinion> Nirvana shall live on!!!

<^GhOSt_^> what rules would that be? non-profit, free distribution?

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<porcupine> hey Dave

<Griffin> Hey Dave

<porcupine> auto-ops didn't work on me, cuz someone already had my nick

*** Slippyboy sets mode: +o Griffin

<Opinion> Jim, feel free to kick anybody you do not want in here!

<NirvClub> Jim, are there any plans on releasing the 10/31/91 Seattle, WA show from the Paramount Theatre on video ?

<Manabatt> Are the releases of Nirvana interviews that I have seen on CD's official or bootlegs?

<SVirone> Jim, if Geffen has the right to song such as "Laminated Effect"-why can't they be found in BMI?

<Griffin> I would hate to kick anyone out of a discussion. Free speech is very important.

<eskil> Opinion--> are you taking about the box set nirvana - singles?

<Griffin> There are many different kinds of rights. BMI handles performance rights. We deal with mechanical rights.

<Griffin> We deal with distribution of the song itself. BMI handles what happens when a song is played in public.

<porcupine> a-ha...i wish i had thought of that when this blew over on a.m.n

<^GhOSt_^> Jim : Is there a particular reason why the singles, (e.g. Heart-Shaped Box, Lithium, SLTS) which were readily available last year, are no longer available?

<^GhOSt_^> I look everywhere...

<Opinion> eskil, no i got a message through ICQ saying that their was box? or something released with 150 rare songs, a video kurt made when he was 16, and copys of his report cards...

<porcupine> Oh yeah, THAT's true...

<SVirone> Can you tell us how the distribution of all the nirvana DAT's would work?

* porcupine rolls his eyes

<^GhOSt_^> Do you not make them anymore?

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<porcupine> thanks, dave

<eskil> opinion--> Good, I'd hate to tell you that the singles box is old... anyway, 150 songs.. that sounds good

<Griffin> Singles come and go. Rarely are they profitable. Their costs exceed their rewards, so grab them when you see them

<Slippyboy> Alright...Ops will be limited from now on.

<^GhOSt_^> damn, I remember passing up the oppertunity to have them, I regret that now...

<eskil> opinion--> I'm doubtful that there is 150 RARE songs, I'm even soubtful that there is 150 nirvana songs total

<NirvClub> Is it true that a Nirvana box-set will be released sometime around the year 2000 ?

<^GhOSt_^> that's a rumour i've heard a lot...

<Opinion> i was at Karma the other day looking for the Heart-Shaped box set... they said they ordered it... and they said the only set they had was the singles, but theymare ordering the heart-shaped box set for me!

<SVirone> Jim, has said that he knows nothing about a possible Nirvana release. Let stop asking him about this.

<Manabatt> Is there any possibility that Fecal Matter Demo will be released even if exclusively limited number?

<Griffin> Geffen Technology developed a web interface for distributing music directly over the net. You pay, get a 44k/stereo/16-bit WAV you can put on a CD yourself.

<Opinion> their is well over 200 nirvana songs, many some peopel havent heard of

<Griffin> But there is so much piracy that many people say it cannot work until there is a way to encrypt the content so it can't be copied.

<SVirone> Why did this idea not work out? Because of all the bootleging on the interent?

<eskil> opinion--> 200 that's a lot of songs. do you any place where I get a list of all those songs?

<NirvClub> Jim, do you have any favorite Nirvana websites ?

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<Griffin> I like Opinion the best for depth, and Nirvana Club for breadth. And of course Dave Perle's list is great.

<Opinion> eskil--> i used to have a list on my page, but it was taken down

<NirvClub> quit the midi thing already..

<porcupine> and that kurt equipment faq is pretty nifty too, eh? =)

<SVirone> Is Opinion how you found ":Bliss Records"?

<Griffin> Yes, I like that kind of thing.

<Opinion> Griffin, do you remember 'Talk To Me: A nirvana site' ??

<porcupine> thank you

<NirvClub> Jim, do you have any favorite Nirvana websites ?

* porcupine will be back in 5-10 minutes on islandnet

<porcupine> seeya

<Griffin> I don't recall how we found Bliss, but Opinion wouldn't have made it easier or harder. There are soooo many lists and usenet posts to guide us!

<porcupine> NirvClub is starting to sound like a broken record...

<Opinion> Jim, was that referring to my page?

<porcupine> bye

<eskil> Opinion--> The list taken down? that's strange! why was the list taken down?

<SVirone> Jim, do you use ICQ at all?

<Griffin> I do recall there was a site called Talk to Me, but I don't recall much about the site itself.

<Opinion> well, my whole page was taken down

<Griffin> Remember, we look for the sites that contain the songs (usually Geocities, Tripod, etc.), not the sites themselves.

<eskil> oh, ok. that explains it. do you if there's anyone else that has the list?

<Griffin> Unless there is a full-length song/video involved, we take no action.

<Opinion> Jim, my site had just about everything on the subject of nirvana

<Opinion> i had many emails saying it was the best nirvana site ever

<SVirone> What is Geffen's view of trading bootlegs?

<Manabatt> Do you know where I could aquire bass and electric tabs for Nirvana's songs?

<Griffin> Trading bootlegs is illegal.

<Griffin> As is distributing tabs.

<Manabatt> oh, I didn't know that

<Griffin> But we don't pay attention to these two problems. We are interested in the full-length art of the artist.

<Opinion> what do you do if you see a site with bootleg stuff?

<SVirone> Will Geffen take any action against people who trade bootlegs?

<Manabatt> Or tabs?

<Opinion> if you want tabs, their are books you can buy

<Griffin> I have no idea what Geffen will do in the future.

<NirvClub> Griffen, why was the "Pennyroyal Tea" single released in such a limited stock ?

<Opinion> so if i were to oput bootlegs stuff on a page, you wouldnt do anything?

<Griffin> In the past, now, and for the foreseeable future, our interest will be in one thing: Full-length songs/videos.

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<Griffin> But I would not be at all surprised if music publishers (who handles tabs) don't start enforcing their rights more vigorously. Especially not that it is a felony.

<Slippyboy> NirvClub: Please do not ask questions that can be answered by reading any Nirvana FAQ

<NirvClub> cool

<porcupine> aloha again

<Opinion> Jim, ok... i want to have the best Nirvana page i can make, however, without breaking any copyright laws!

<NirvClub> hehe

<Slippyboy> Welcome back, Mr. Lawrence

<Griffin> Stay away from full-length content.

<porcupine> Thank you, Mr...um...Dave

* eskil wants to know how many nirvana songs there is recorded!

<Opinion> what about .mov files?

<NirvClub> oh well

<Opinion> eskil, he wouldnt know that, so dont ask

<Griffin> The type of file is irrelevant. The content is what matters.

<Slippyboy> eskil: Please do not ask questions that can be answered by reading any Nirvana FAQ

<eskil> How many songs do geffen have recorded?

<Opinion> oh, ok

<SVirone> Was RFUS really played at 11/25/90?

<SVirone> JUST A JOKE

<porcupine> hehe

<Griffin> Geffen has released about 30 albums a year over the past 18 years.

<Slippyboy> hehehe

<porcupine> sure, shane...

<Slippyboy> that was my example, wasn't it?

<Opinion> so as long as we do not go over 30 seconds of audio, that is ok?

<eskil> What about posting songs with the last 5 secs cut off?

<Griffin> Audio/Video clips 30 seconds or less do not draw our attention.

<twarineke> hello Mr. Geffen, I have a Nirvana page with some RA files of unreleased old demo songs ? do they have to be removed ?

<Griffin> Someone posting a song with last 5 seconds cut off just doesn't get it.

<eskil> oh, my question wasn't really specified. I ment nirvana songs

<SVirone> These DAT's you planed to release-do they include early(1987 1988)concerts?

<Griffin> No full-length songs/videos recorded or performed by Nirvana.

<eskil> but that's not the entire song!

<Opinion> so the only things illegal are sound clips and tabs? so nothing else can be wrong in any way?

<eskil> no!, as in nada??? you've released six albums!

<Opinion> eskil, why dont you listen? 30 seconds or less is ok

<porcupine> Geffen probably only has DAT copies of Nirvana's POST-Geffen material

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<twarineke> can we still put lyrics online ?

<NirvClub> Is it, in any way, possible to obtain permission to use full length songs/videos on a website ?

<twarineke> how about cd covers ?

<porcupine> The band itself may have several recordings from pre-geffen days, though

<Slippyboy> Good point, Chris.

<eskil> I'm just trying to get around the system!

<Griffin> I want to clarify the DAT tape issue: The band has the tapes, as it should be. They own them. We came up with a way to help them do something with them.

<porcupine> wait a minute, what did I miss? Tabs aren't allowed??

<Griffin> We did it only to help Nirvana realize what they can do with their material. The choices are theirs.

<Manabatt> Is there any way we can contact the actual band?

<Griffin> We've never complained about lyrics or album covers.

<Opinion> no, tabs arent aloud

<Opinion> what about lyrics?

<SVirone> Was Krist or Dave for the distribution of these shows?

<Griffin> The band's management is through Gold Mountain in Los Angeles. That is the best contact place.

<eskil> oh, ok. How many songs do you think there is on those dat tapes.

<Opinion> do you know Krists email address? or does he have one?

<Manabatt> Is there any webpage for that?

<porcupine> People, please calm down. The last thing Krist needs is a thousand e-mails saying "please release this, that, and the other..."

<Griffin> If someone created something, you need their permission to copy it.

<porcupine> So Jim, my Tab Site for "non-LP" songs is unallowed?

<Griffin> And if you see a copyright symbol, that increases their rights. Without the symbol, they still have rights.

<Opinion> porcupine, im not gonna say that, im just gonna talk to him...

<Griffin> The band sold the right to make tabs to someone, and that someone could become upset over your tabs and take action.

<porcupine> I missed the discussion on tablature...

<^GhOSt_^> Virgin BMI, Hal Leonard?

<Opinion> at www.cobain.com the guy said all tabs are a bit wrong to avoid copyright lasw...

<twarineke> Mr Griffin, are there any problems with the fact of bootleg trading lists put online by fans in order to find new traders ?

<Griffin> So does that guy at www.cobain.com think it would be OK to retype a book with a few sentences misspelled and get away with it?

<porcupine> heheh

<Griffin> We've never taken action against bootleg trading lists, although they do bother our lawyers and they make it ...

<^GhOSt_^> yeah, it's true, and generally, you can figure out the right parts on your own

<Opinion> Jim, probably... i think you should check his site out, he has a lot of illegal stuff

<Griffin> ... impossible for your site to be linked to any big record company sites (the lawyers won't approve anything linked in any way with it).

<twarineke> I'm sorry, maybe already someone asked this before I did, but does Geffen plan to release new Nirvana-cd's ?

<porcupine> Yes, someone has already asked that. And the answer is: Mr. Griffin doesn't know

<Griffin> I think cobain.com is all clips, no full songs.

<Opinion> Jim, you sound like a nice guy, i hope nobody thinks you are diong this to be mean and email bombs you...

<twarineke> oh thank you porcupine

<porcupine> no problem

<Opinion> ive heard a lot of people say they are gonna bomb you

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<eyesore> hey

<Opinion> what about the tabs?

<Griffin> Thanks for your kinds words. If they mail bomb us, they will be dealt with more severly than a polite note. <smile>

<porcupine> hehe

<twarineke> :)

<Opinion> i helped the cobain.com guy with his page a little, and he gave the email address andrew@cobain.com

<Griffin> We have good people maintaining our network and anyone who underestimates our technical abilities will be sorry.

<Opinion> but i never use it anymore...

<porcupine> Ultimately, with my tabs page...I don't think Nirvana would have sold the rights to the tabs for Clean-Up befre She Comes or Suicide Samurai

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<Griffin> Already, I think there are folks who regret thinking we don't read a.m.n and so forth.

<Opinion> Jim, woah! what do you plan to do to email bombers?

<{|mAtt|}> what is a director of technology anyway

<Opinion> i guess it is a good thing i never thought about bombing you!

<Griffin> If someone maliciously attempts to interfere with our corporate e-mail server, we will take swift and effective action to restore it and ensure it does not recur.

<^GhOSt_^> Some one might have already asked this, (i missed the tablature part) but, If someone marks up their interpretation of a song, like they sat down, and figured it out for themselves, not 100% accurate, does that count as a violation?

<Opinion> what is a.m.n. ?

<porcupine> Jim, perhaps you should occasionally take a second to reply to a.m.n. posts that criticize you and Geffen for the removal of material and explain why it is done (much like you are doing today)

<Griffin> a.m.n = alt.music.nirvana

<porcupine> alt.music.nirvana

<Griffin> The right to publish Nirvana songs in tab form is not available to anyone who wants to do it. It requires permission from Nirvana.

<NirvClub> Jim, are you a fan of Nirvana ? Do you have any favorite Nirvana songs ?

<^GhOSt_^> ok, just needed to clarify that.

<Opinion> oh, how do i subscribe to that anyway?

<Slippyboy> I have a question:

<Griffin> I love Nirvana. First song I ever heard was Polly, and I loved it. <smile>

<twarineke> Jim, what exactly is your function at Geffen records, forgive me my ignorance..

<Slippyboy> How do we go about obtaining permission from Nirvana? How do we contact them?

<Opinion> is Polly your favorite then?

<^GhOSt_^> good question...

<Griffin> I know people critize us for drawing the line at full-length material, but in our circles we are considered too lenient.

<^GhOSt_^> I believe it:-)

<porcupine> heheh

<SVirone> Look at what is being done to Oasis pages-we have it good.

<Griffin> Yes, I will never forget hearing Polly for the first time. The voice was so clear, so fresh. It was like hearing music again for the first time.

<{|mAtt|}> yeah what exectly do you do

<Opinion> Oasis pages? what is happening?

<Griffin> I am Geffen's Director of Technology. I asked to do this, handle web piracy. I didn't want lawyers and police to be your first line of contact.

<Griffin> And with this new law, making this stuff a felony ...

<porcupine> And I think we all appreciate it, Jim

<{|mAtt|}> its a felony now?

<Griffin> ... well let's just say we are very, very reasonable writing polite notes and asking and drawing the line at full-length songs.

<Griffin> We could say you can't use anything copyrighted by Nirvana (as Oasis did) -- no graphics, fonts, lyrics, tabs, pcitures, album covers ...

<porcupine> Is it only Nirvana pages right now?

<twarineke> Mr. Griffin, how about the official Nirvana fanclub, I wrote them a letter a long while ago, but i never got any respons, do they still exists ?

<Griffin> ... the list goes on.

<Griffin> We could send the police to your house as your first line of contact.

<{|mAtt|}> thanks or not doing that

<{|mAtt|}> for

<porcupine> that's what i was thinking...

<Griffin> We could make examples of people and hold them up to suffer in public so others would be warned.

<porcupine> "Hello, Mr. Lawrence. We disapprove of you posting Nirvana guitar tabs on there Internet. You're coming with us." ... and me just standing there going "well, no one told me..."

<Griffin> And believe me, there are others who this in mind. Not at Geffen, but there are places where this will become very ugly.

<eskil> What's the movie Hype?

<porcupine> A film on the Seattle scene

<Griffin> I know nothing about the official Nirvana fan club. I'm not very good at organized religion.

<SVirone> What is your overall view of the internet?

<Opinion> i got that movie for christmas

<Griffin> We love the net at Geffen. Every employee worldwide has full net access from their desktop.

<^GhOSt_^> so did I, it's great.

<{|mAtt|}> Hype needed more full perormances too many clips

<Manabatt> Why is Fecal Matter being refused to be published?

<Griffin> We act as an ISP to all our employees and their families. They get free unlimited, uncensored access via ISDN or 56k modem from anywhere.

<Opinion> yeah, i would have loved all of SLTS to be on their

<{|mAtt|}> does Geffen really have the rights to the FM demo

<{|mAtt|}> i know

<Griffin> Anything recorded or performed by Nirvana need's Nirvana's permission to be distributed.

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<Opinion> but since Kurt is gone :( does the permission come from Krist and Dave?

<^GhOSt_^> Well, I better get some rest, I'm very sick. Jim, it was nice talking to you again.. have a great holiday and happy new year all!

<{|mAtt|}> but dave was not on the demo

<twarineke> Has Courntney Love any say in this ? I guess she controls the musical inheritance of Kurt..

<Opinion> or shouldnt it be just Krist?

<Griffin> I can't tell you how those matters resolve themselves. I don't know how "Nirvana" decides.

<Opinion> because kurt and krist were the only 2 ppl in the band from start to finish

<Griffin> But I respect them completely.

<{|mAtt|}> they werent "Nirvana" at the time

<JimBliss> I thought this started at 5:30 EST?

<porcupine> same here..

<{|mAtt|}> so did i but i guesss not

<SVirone> It started early

<Griffin> It does start much later, but I came early at the request of some people.

<Slippyboy> Jim decided to make it a little early to answer the questions of poeple who could not make the 5:30 time.

<JimBliss> I hope everyone is being respectful to JimGriffin

<twarineke> does Geffen take actions again bootleg companys, like Kiss The Stone ?

<Griffin> Everyone is respectful, and I appreciate it.

<JimBliss> cool

<{|mAtt|}> i have full length silverchair songs on my page. i can get in tropuble for that cant i

<Opinion> Jim, do you have ICQ?

<twarineke> We appreciate you coming here to share some with us, Mr. Griffin

<Griffin> We don't chase bootleggers ourselves. We work the RIAA on those issues.

<JimBliss> What are pages aloud to do sound wise?

<Griffin> I don't want to buy a gun. <smile>

<Griffin> I have ICQ and use it regularly.

<porcupine> hehe

<JimBliss> I love ICQ.

<Opinion> id appreciate it also

<JimBliss> Why isn't this on ICQ?

<{|mAtt|}> is it true kurt once went into a store selling boots and took them or something like that?

<Griffin> Full-length songs without permission will draw attention to you in a very bad way.

<porcupine> because not everyone has ICQ

<JimBliss> don't want your contact list very long?

<Griffin> Clips fall under the doctrine of fair use, and are generally fine.

<Opinion> what is RIAA?

<JimBliss> How long can they be?

<Slippyboy> Even less people have ICQ than have IRC

<JimBliss> yeah and what is RIAA?

<{|mAtt|}> how long can clips be? is there some kind o restriction

<Opinion> what is your UIN?

<porcupine> Less than 30 seconds is Okay by them

<porcupine> Slippyboy, you're tallying this for the FAQ, right?

<Griffin> 30 seconds is the industry standard on clips (that's the length of the clips on our site -- I'd love to be able to feed you full-length songs from our site!)

<Slippyboy> Yes, I will make 2 logs...one pre-5:30pm EST and one after.

<Opinion> yeah, he took them out of the store

<porcupine> but right as we speak...I'm downloading a 10-minute (!) Sonic Youth .mp3! That has to be SOME kind of infringement!

<Slippyboy> I will post it to a.m.n and the HSMB

<JimBliss> You can't give any info on unreleased stuff and the same with up coming releases?

<twarineke> I guess if Gefgen only would release rare songs theirselves, that would solve the problem of bootlegs..

<{|mAtt|}> Jim, do you ever check out the HSMB?

<JimBliss> not even a little one?

<Griffin> The SY 10-min clip is an infringement, and when we find it we will ask them to stop. If others find it first, more severe action may result.

<Opinion> 30 seconds

<Kirbyjean> I'm just here to watch

<Griffin> Yes, HSMB is cool.

<porcupine> But you have to understand, it's not up to Geffen. It's up to the BAND to release "rare songs"

<porcupine> Geffen doesn't control what Nirvana releases

<Opinion> what is RIAA?

<Griffin> Would you like it we forced the band to relase more music? Or simply did it without asking them?

<porcupine> If Krist and Dave want to release some material in an offical form, they will. But Geffen can't just do it themselves

<Griffin> RIAA = Recording Industry Association of America

<Manabatt> What is your UIN?

<JimBliss> Could you ask them?

<Griffin> www.riaa.com

<NirvClub> Griffin, what do you think about the various Petitions around the net to get certain shows released by Geffen ?

<twarineke> Has Geffen ever talked to Krist & Dave about releasing new material ?

<{|mAtt|}> the problem with released rarities is that something always gets cut, like unplugged

<Griffin> 6404709

<JimBliss> There opinion on unreleased full-length songs on the net.

<Opinion> Jim, what is your ICQ UIN?

<twarineke> yeah, unplugged uncut is like way better..

<Griffin> Petitions are fine. I don't know if they make a difference.

<eyesore> what stuff is cut from unplugged?

<twarineke> lots of talking..

<Griffin> I don't know what is cut from unplugged. It was up to the band.

<porcupine> lots of jams and dialogue

<eyesore> oh

<{|mAtt|}> a ew songs too i believe

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<SVirone> Mr. Griffen, do you own any Nirvana bootlegs?

<{|mAtt|}> ha

<eyesore> heh

<Griffin> I own no Nirvana bootlegs.

<Opinion> they can only do stuff if it is bought or sold though cant they?

<Griffin> But I do own tapes of unreleased Nirvana.

<porcupine> hehhe

<JimBliss> like?

<{|mAtt|}> stuf not available on boots?

<porcupine> Would you mind answering some questions regarding unreleased songs?

<SVirone> I consider that a bootleg.

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<eyesore> what you mean the holy grail stuff or whatever?

<JimBliss> is there any info at all for the 94 sessions? you can give out?

<Griffin> The tapes were given to me by Krist for use in working on the digital distribution project.

<JimBliss> cool

<{|mAtt|}> woah

<porcupine> The January 94 sessions: all Nirvana recorded as a band was You Got No Right

<twarineke> that's really amazing

<{|mAtt|}> i know

<eyesore> what is this digital distribution project anyway?

<twarineke> But I have opinion.ra on my page, but that can't be illegal, can it ? It was a radio broadcast ??

<porcupine> Krist and Dave did some of their own stuff at the jan. 94 sessions, too

<Opinion> Jim, i asked for authorization!

<Griffin> If opinion.ra is a full-length song, it is illegal.

<{|mAtt|}> yeah what about stuf like opinion, does geffen own that?

<JimBliss> Thinking about copy right laws.

<JimBliss> I think you guys even own Fecal Matter.

<JimBliss> Is this true?

<Slippyboy> Nirvana owns everything done by them. Geffen merely enforces their ownership.

<porcupine> It's not a matter of GEFFEN owning it, it's a matter of the band wanting it performed or not

<{|mAtt|}> they must

<porcupine> Thank you, Dave

<twarineke> I don't really understand, is is illegal to spread radio broadcasts ?

<{|mAtt|}> bootleggers are all pedophiles

<Griffin> If Nirvana recorded or performed it, only Nirvana can give permission to distribute it. On this much we all agree.

<Slippyboy> If you have permission from the band themselves, it is okay. However, if you don't have permission, abiude by Jim Griffin's guidelines.

<JimBliss> well fecal matter demo has some of the released stuff on it Spank Thru and Downer.

<Griffin> Different countries have different copyright laws, but they all agree that the artist decides how their art is distributed.

<Griffin> Imagine the alternative ...

<JimBliss> And a song they did at a show on the same date as the Dale Demos

<Opinion> Jim, will you authorize me?

<|ANARCHY|> hey

<|ANARCHY|> it's Ryan

<Griffin> ... imagine anyone ebing able to substitute their judgment for the artist's on how to distribute the art.

<JimBliss> so you would say, it's off limits?

<twarineke> Opinion was never performed by NIRVANA, as far as I know it was performed by KURT COBAIN FROM ABERDEEN., does this make any difference ?

<{|mAtt|}> so i Krist doesnt want Laminated effect realeased then geffen cant realese it?

<Griffin> I can't authorize anyone. I'm not the artist.

<porcupine> Twarineke, please give it up. Opinions is even copyrighted

<porcupine> go to www.bmi.com

<ChrP> Can you tell us more about that digital project?

<eyesore> yea

<eyesore> tell us

<Griffin> The digital project was merely a proof of concept ...

<porcupine> Speaking of which, Jim, do you have a recording of Opinion done by Nirvana as a full band?

<SVirone> "Intro" isn't even a sound and it's copyrighted

<JimBliss> What about Hole, do you have any new info about there releases?

<twarineke> porpucine, its no matter of giving up, I just try to understand..

<Griffin> ... a demonstration of the power of the Internet to distribute music digitally, today ...

<porcupine> I've asked a few times about when the new Hole single will be released. He said the LP will be out in mid-may

<SVirone> Do you think it will happen?

<|ANARCHY|> why are you talking about Hole?

<Manabatt> Hole is Courtney Loves band

<JimBliss> why not?

<{|mAtt|}> hole is cool

<JimBliss> it's geffen isn't it?

<|ANARCHY|> great

<|ANARCHY|> what are we here to talk about?

<|ANARCHY|> Nirvana

<|ANARCHY|> not Hole

<Griffin> Hole is a Geffen band.

<|ANARCHY|> speaking of which

<{|mAtt|}> ine

<{|mAtt|}> fine

<porcupine> Actually, we're here to talk about why people are being asked to remove full-length song clips from their pages. And Nirvana pages happen to be the ones in reference.

<|ANARCHY|> is there any possible chance of the 10/31/91 or 7/23/93 show to be realeased?

<JimBliss> Is unplugged for hole coming out? or don't you know?

<JimBliss> the complete show

<JimBliss> with Drunk In Rio

<|ANARCHY|> on video or audio? complete?

<{|mAtt|}> i think they dont want oasis sounds on the net because oasis sucks

<eyesore> heh

<eyesore> yea really

<Griffin> This release is not Hole Unplugged. I can't speculate about what they might release in the future.

<Slippyboy> |Anarchy|: Please ask Jim questions relating to the subject at hand.

<JimBliss> okay

<JimBliss> So what is the subject?

<JimBliss> only net stuff?

<{|mAtt|}> does sub pop have any say in this?

<|ANARCHY|> screw the subject

<JimBliss> I haven't had anyone say this.

<JimBliss> to me.

<|ANARCHY|> this is my only chance to talk to a Geffen rep

<|ANARCHY|> I'm gonna ask whatever I can

<Downerboy> Hey people

<Slippyboy> I'm sure Jim will be availablt to answer your questions at a later date.

<Griffin> Feel free, but the most productive questions will address our policy on digital distribution of music, specifically Nirvana.

<JimBliss> Griffin what is the subject?

<Downerboy> Hey, Mr. Griffin is here already?

<{|mAtt|}> Does sub pop have any say in this?

<Slippyboy> Exactly.

<eyesore> so those tapes have every song, every performance, every thing?

<Downerboy> I thought this started at 530

<Griffin> It's important to me that people know ...

<SADSnaggY> NirvClub: rasmus?

<Slippyboy> Yes. What is Sub Pop's idea on all of this?

<Griffin> ... we don't shut down pages, nor do we ask that they be shut down ...

<NirvClub> Snag, yep that's me

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<JimBliss> you ask them to remove the full-length clips

<JimBliss> I mean song

<Griffin> ... and that our interest is in ensuring that our artist decides how their art is distributed.

<|ANARCHY|> so is the reason you take the full-lenghth clips because you plan on releasing them?

<|ANARCHY|> or just to be meanies?

<Griffin> There are financial issues, but the matter is not economic. It's a matter of principle.

<{|mAtt|}> i dont think they just want to be mean anarchy

<eyesore> so youre going to realease these tapes over the net??

<|ANARCHY|> i'm being sarcastic

<{|mAtt|}> i know

<{|mAtt|}> still

<Griffin> During the time of apartheid in South Africa, many artists refused to distribute their music in South Africa. That was their right.

<|ANARCHY|> i'm sure Mr Griffin has a sense of humor

<|ANARCHY|> even tho he works for Geffen

<{|mAtt|}> im sure your right sorry

<JimBliss> Why does everything think Geffen is so bad?

<Griffin> Would it have been acceptable for others to simply violate that and sell them in South Africa anyway?

<JimBliss> it's just like any other record comany.

<{|mAtt|}> what label is oasis on?

<Manabatt> Yes it would be acceptable because music should be for pleasure not political reasons

<|ANARCHY|> except other companies tend to not leave you in the dark as to the things you wanna know

<|ANARCHY|> whereas geffen does that on a regular basis

<JimBliss> Are trading between friends legal?

<JimBliss> like rare stuff?

<{|mAtt|}> probably not

<{|mAtt|}> its the same as net trading

<JimBliss> I'm asking Jim Griffin

<ChrP> You can get that on a BOOTLEG

<porcupine> Leaving us in the DARK??? Not many other companies have their officals come on IRC to chat with annoying people who ask the same irritating questions over and over!

<eyesore> yea really

<porcupine> or I shouldn't say "have their officials come.." but "not many officials come on irc"

<porcupine> or whatever...

<|ANARCHY|> have you noticed how limited our questions are?

<twarineke> well said, porcupine

<eyesore> same questions

<Griffin> Technically, trading tapes is illegal. Transferring them is wrong.

<eyesore> so anyways, these tapes will be released right?

<Griffin> You can archive your own materials, however. The law allows this.

<porcupine> Basically, Jim is doing this because he wants people to understand Geffen's reasoning.

<JimBliss> So all the tape traders list are illegal?

<Floaty> which questions has been answered ? (main)

<JimBliss> All you'd have to do is set up a trade, and they could be in trouble?

<Manabatt> What exactly was the battle for Nirvana (between Sub-Pop and Geffen) for? And why was it eventually settled to let sub-pop help produce?

<twarineke> Griffin, do you personally think bootlegs are wrong in our case ?

<JimBliss> This is my understanding.

<Griffin> I'm not sure tape trader's lists are illegal. Afte all, it's not illegal to talk about illegal things.

<JimBliss> I'm not talking bootlegs, I'm taking about just taper shows

<porcupine> Well, there's a new 5-CD Nirvana box set coming out next year called "Peel Slowly and See". It will contain every single song ever record. Hope that answers your question!

<Griffin> But tape trading itself is illegal.

<JimBliss> okay

<Urnone> is he here yet?

<porcupine> ..ever recordED...i can't type

<twarineke> Griffin, do you personally think bootlegs are wrong in our case ?

<Griffin> This isn't about tape trading, though. We're not peering into people's private transactions.

<{|mAtt|}> Jim, is there a box set coming out or sure?

<porcupine> No, he's not

<Urnone> ok

<porcupine> whoever "he" may be

<Downerboy> Is that a bootleg Porcupine?

* porcupine was kidding

<Griffin> We're telling you that we can't have full-length songs available worldwide over the web with a click unless the artist approves.

<Manabatt> What exactly was the battle for Nirvana (between Sub-Pop and Geffen) for? And why was it eventually settled to let sub-pop help produce?

<Downerboy> oh

* porcupine wants everyone to know that there is no Nirvana box set called "Peel Slowly and See" coming out.

<JimBliss> Has Nirvana ever been asked there opinion?

* porcupine was just making a bad Velvet Underground joke

<NirvClub> How would we obtain permission from Nirvana to use, for example, full length songs ?

<JimBliss> I was in a chat with Kris from Sweet 75 and he said he didn't care

<{|mAtt|}> but i have heard a lot about a box set. is any o it true

<Floaty> griffin:will geffen make somekind of releases from shows that geffen has recorded allthough there are many bootlegs ?

<JimBliss> Could you ask Nirvana there opinion?

<Opinion> Jim, instead of reporting the pages to (geocities, tripod whatever...) coulf=d you just email the page owner and let them know what shouldnt be in their?

<JimBliss> on this subject?

<Griffin> I can't speak for the artist, but I think we can all imagine the reaction to friends sharing tapes is one thing ...

<|ANARCHY|> Griffin, what you folks at Geffen have to understand, is that if you put out the stuff we wanna hear, we'll buy it

<|ANARCHY|> you put out 10/31/91 complete on video

<|ANARCHY|> we'll buy it

<JimBliss> like unplugged

<|ANARCHY|> you put 7/23/93 on complete video

<twarineke> anarchy, its not up to Mr. griffin..

<|ANARCHY|> we'll buy it

<Griffin> ... and the idea that anyone in the world should be able to click and hear their music with no compensation whatsoever is quite another.

<|ANARCHY|> and so on

<{|mAtt|}> but maybe not enough people would buy it

<JimBliss> the popular boot, until the offical version came out.

<Urnone> i want the unedited unplugged

<|ANARCHY|> i know it's not

<|ANARCHY|> but I'm sure Mr Griffin has a voice in the company

<Griffin> And while today's music quality may make these issues blurry, and the limited options for playing music (in the car, in a Walkman) make us thing this is extreme, the fact is that these legal precedents are important and serious matters ...

<twarineke> its not up to the company either, its up to Nirvana, anarchy

<{|mAtt|}> thats true i geffen releases parts of shows or demos i would still try to get the full vers

<Griffin> ... if artists are to be able to financially and creatively control their destiny.

<Opinion> Jim do you have aol?

<|ANARCHY|> yeah

<{|mAtt|}> my f key is broken!

<porcupine> Let me restate something that has already been stated: Geffen can not force Nirvana to release anything and can not release anything without the band's consent.

<|ANARCHY|> but Geffen could bring it up

<|ANARCHY|> and Nirvana wanted to release the

<Griffin> Yes, I have AOL. I use virtually every form of on-line service, and have since 1982.

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<|ANARCHY|> 94

<|ANARCHY|> demos but Geffen said Kurts vocals needed to be polished

<Downerboy> Does Geffen pay for this online service?

<Downerboy> Just asking.

<|ANARCHY|> and Nirvana didn't want that

<|ANARCHY|> so Geffen stopped that from happening

<Urnone> no

<Floaty> vagelis:cheers

<|ANARCHY|> Kurt had put on vocals

<NrvanaGrl> So is 10/31/91 video ever getting released

<|ANARCHY|> but they weren't polished

<Opinion> what does that mean?

<Griffin> The process of creative collaboration is important and different for every artist.

<|ANARCHY|> Nirvana wanted to leave them how they were

<{|mAtt|}> Geffen isnt going to start coming after people with bootleg lists on the net are they

<eyesore> heh do you know, mr griffin, if that stupid song beans is real

<|ANARCHY|> Geffen didn't

<Vagelis> hi room

<|ANARCHY|> they wanted to polish 'em up

<|ANARCHY|> so it wasn't released

<eyesore> i hope its fake

<NrvanaGrl> duh

<|ANARCHY|> so what was that about artists choice?

<Griffin> You know, I am sometimes amused by the contradiction ...

<JimBliss> of what Jim?

<NrvanaGrl> there is no more artist to choose

<|ANARCHY|> there isn't?

<NrvanaGrl> no...

<|ANARCHY|> then how come we have Sweet 75 and the Foo Fighters?

<JimBliss> What contradictions?

<Griffin> ... Kurt Cobain liked Geffen Records, spent his time with people from Geffen. He hated corporate rock, but signed with Geffen.

<|ANARCHY|> because Krist and Dave don't exist anymore?

<|ANARCHY|> wake up

<NrvanaGrl> Hah

<JimBliss> yeah

<NrvanaGrl> Please Ryan

<JimBliss> the money I guess

<twarin> I'm back, this is twarineke

<NrvanaGrl> Get real

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<Urnone> hey ryan

<|ANARCHY|> you said there is no more artist

<Griffin> How can you revere Kurt Cobain and his choices but hate the place that he liked and liked him?

<NrvanaGrl> The foo fighters are none of my concern or interrest

<|ANARCHY|> and I just proved there is

<{|mAtt|}> CAYA said they visited geffen once

<|ANARCHY|> what is there to get real about?

<JimBliss> I don't hate Geffen.

<NrvanaGrl> I don't mind Geffen..

<porcupine> hehe

<|ANARCHY|> who said I revere his choices?

<NrvanaGrl> I think Kurt was highly pleased with them

<JimBliss> I'm just a fan that wants to hear the music

<|ANARCHY|> I like his music

<Manabatt> I don't hate geffen, I don't like them either...

<NrvanaGrl> that's why he signed

<SVirone> I love Geffen ;-)

<twarin> Mr. Griffin, have you ever met Kurt cobain ?

<Manabatt> I just want to hear the music that wasd made

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<Downerboy> Griffin: But the distribution of rare songs has to give an economic blow to Geffen, because when 'Wishkah' was released, it didn't sell as much as the previous albums because the people have already heard those songs. How did the company react to the slower sales?

<NirvClub> hi kris

<|ANARCHY|> i don't hate geffen

<NrvanaGrl> he shopped around first.. and decided Geffen was the best out there

<porcupine> kurt wanted david geffen to give him more cash, and david geffen gave him a cadillac instead. and kurt drove home all happy, and the cadillac turned out to be rented. too funny...

<|ANARCHY|> I just wish they would relax

<Tom_Davie> Question: What happens to web/ftp sites with Nirvana material that was written/recorded *before* Nirvana signed to Geffen( i.e. Sub Pop material )?

<|ANARCHY|> and let shit happen

<ChrP> Yeah it's there opinion that counts

<JimBliss> So Jim can you give us any info at all?

<JimBliss> Don't you know anything about the 94 sessions?

<|ANARCHY|> me?

<|ANARCHY|> or mr griffin?

<porcupine> I enjoy Geffen. They have some of my fave bands (Nirvana, Sonic Youth, Beck, Hole, etc.)

<JimBliss> Griffin

<{|mAtt|}> Wiskah sold poorly because it was stuff from 5 years ago that oinly real ans wanted

<NrvanaGrl> Hole hehehehe

<Griffin> The issue regarding the distribution of full-length songs on the internet isn't all about money.

<porcupine> I also really like music coming from independent labels

<porcupine> I don't see a difference, really

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<JimBliss> Griffin can you please give info on the 94 sessions?

<NrvanaGrl> Mr Griffin.. will Geffen be releasing the 10/31/91 PRO shot, they recorded?

<twarineke> Mr. Griffin, have you ever met Kurt Cobain ?

<dietpink> whats it all about?

<Griffin> I can provide info here, but let's focus on our policies as regards web sites.

<NrvanaGrl> I thought that was rather clear

<porcupine> As I've said before, all Nirvana recorded as K-K-D in Jan. 94 was You Got No Right. then krist and dave each did some stuff.

<Griffin> I met Kurt Cobain while working at Geffen.

<JimBliss> When could a chat be set up for this?

<ChrP> nirvclub : yep it's me

<Downerboy> Radical

<NirvClub> cool

<{|mAtt|}> id like to get the stu krist and dave did

<JimBliss> I think the whole thing is pretty clear.

<twarineke> too cool !

<JimBliss> only 30 sec. clips

<JimBliss> I get it

<twarineke> Mr. Griffin, what kind of Person was he ?

<Opinion> Jim, do you have the Instant Messanger?

<Griffin> Is it clear that we are not attempting to shut down sites?

<JimBliss> yeah

<NrvanaGrl> He was very kind

<Slippyboy> ANNOUNCEMENT!!! JIM GRIFFIN DOES NOT HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON ANY SPECIFIC NIRVANA RECORDINGS! YOU CAN ASK HIM ABOUT THEM, BUT AN ANSWER IS UNLIKELY.

<Manabatt> Yes it is clear, we have been going over that for 3 hours

<NrvanaGrl> hehehe

<porcupine> please don't get into "What kind of person was Kurt", etc...

<Griffin> We encourage speech and love what people are doing on the web. It is wonderful.

<NrvanaGrl> thats a shame

<twarineke> yes, you are not wanna shut down sites, mr griffin

<NrvanaGrl> Why not Porcupine

<Stoney420> I thought this didnt start till 4:30?

<JimBliss> I think most sites say it's only the full lengh song files that did it.

<NrvanaGrl> supposed to start 5:30

<Downerboy> 530

<twarineke> porpucine, I never talked to anyone before who met Kurt, so please don't deny me this chance...

<Griffin> Unfortunately, we can't allow full-length songs unless there is permission.

<Downerboy> I know, but they decided to start it early

<porcupine> Geffen is not out to shut down sites, they simply would appreciate the removal of sound clips over 30 seconds, specifically full-length clips. They do not e-mail Geocities and ask them to remove the page.

<Downerboy> yeah, it's copyright infringement

<Downerboy> <--------- Smart tem

<Downerboy> term

<porcupine> Hey David Pearloid..

<Opinion> Griffin... do you have the AOL Instant Messanger?

<Tom_Davie> Griffin: what about songs recorded *before* Nirvana signed to Geffen and that have never been released in any form by Geffen?

<porcupine> POINT 1: Geffen is not out to shut down sites, they simply would appreciate the removal of sound clips over 30 seconds, specifically full-length clips. They do not e-mail Geocities and ask them to remove the page.

<twarineke> so Please MR Griffin, Can you tell me some more about the Personality Kurt was..

<dperle> Hello...

<{|mAtt|}> Jim, do you think Kurt would want to have some rare stuf realeased

<Griffin> Yes, I have AOL IM. On AOL I am Griffin747

<JimBliss> Why can all these other questions get answered that have nothing to do with the subject?

<NrvanaGrl> TWARINEKE: go to www.dreamlog.com/Opinion/ and read the collectors section... you will see some description of meeting Kurt Cobain

<porcupine> POINT 2: Geffen have no control over what Nirvana releases. It is up to Krist and Dave.

<JimBliss> and not anything about the 94 sessions?

<JimBliss> it's just info

<NrvanaGrl> Krist and Dave.. that's a joke

<Onno> hiya people, i thought it started later ;)

<Griffin> I wish I could talk about Kurt, because I know you want to know more about him. But I am the wrong person for that. We're here to talk about our net policies.

<twarineke> nrvanagrl, how about their authenticity ?

<Manabatt> Think about it people, If you were making millions of dollars off of a cd you made and then someone found out a way to distribute it to where you made no money, would you be very happy? I think not, that is all that is needed for the sound byte issue

<porcupine> POINT 3: This isn't all a matter of copyright, it's a matter of "artists controlling how their art is distributed"

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<JimBliss> I don't care about Kurt, it's the music

<NrvanaGrl> Hehe I met Kurt..

<Manabatt> wb onno

<NrvanaGrl> WELL I care about Kurt

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<Floaty> Griffin:Do you know are you going to release in the future some Nirvana Material Trough the Net ?

<NrvanaGrl> If you don't care about Kurt... you can't care about his music

<Opinion> Stoney420... where are you from?

<JimBliss> I care because of the music

<|ANARCHY|> yes you can

<Griffin> I hope we can use the net to distribute music. It will allow more art to flow to fans.

<JimBliss> and that's only the reason why

<NrvanaGrl> Then you are an asshole

<|ANARCHY|> I could give a rats ass abou8t some artists

<|ANARCHY|> but I like what they do

<|ANARCHY|> even tho I do care about Kurt

<Opinion> Griffin.. do you have the AOL Instant Messanger?

<Stoney420> Mr. Griffin: I am wondering, exactly, what legal rights you have over a tape made by kurt cobain six years before he signed with your label?

<Opinion> ok, cool!

<Stoney420> I am in San Antonio Texas.

<Urnone> I haven't been paying much attention here but JIM... I wanna know why do you shut down sites ONLY on Nirvana (or so It seems) WHy not other bands on Geffen records such as Hole, The Bloodhound Gang etc....? IS there a main reason behind all that. I'm sorry if you answered before but I am DYING to know!

<Stoney420> unfortunately.

<JimBliss> is Opinion anything to do with Opinion magazine?

<porcupine> It's not a matter of Legal Rights! IT IS: Artists controlling how their art is distributed

<NrvanaGrl> I do Jim

<Opinion> JimBliss... No

<Stoney420> Is Mr. Griffin the artist?

<Griffin> We try to pay uniform attention to all our bands.

<JimBliss> and your who?

<JimBliss> I use to run the Bliss Records site.

<ChrP> If it's the artistist that control distribution why isn't it Dave and Krist complaining about the songs

<NrvanaGrl> You asked if someone has to do with opinion.. I do

<Urnone> but mostly Nirvana ehh? since they are your "main" cash crop?

<|ANARCHY|> so do I

<Onno> Why is the Geffen website so horribly outdated?

<|ANARCHY|> but I can't tell you how!

<{|mAtt|}> yeah shouldnt dave and krist be asked if they want the songs taken down

<JimBliss> So what column do you write in?

<Stoney420> I believe it is about legal rights. You have to have some sort of control over the recordings, if you dont then I dont see why we cant distrubute, unless Krist Novoselic or Dave Grohl specifically speaks with me...

<NrvanaGrl> I write the collector's column and others

<JimBliss> do you have ICQ?

<peptalk> heh

<dietpink> hey griffin whens the new hole album coming out?

<Griffin> New Hole comes out mid-May.

<Opinion> Mid-may

<peptalk> hey whats the deal with becks new album huh?

<NrvanaGrl> I don't

<{|mAtt|}> what does a new hole album have to do with the subject

<|ANARCHY|> i write a column in opinion as well

<dperle> Are we waiting for half passed the hour before Mr. Griffin says what he has to say? I don't think it matters who works for Opinion and who doesn't...let the man talk!

<NrvanaGrl> hole has no purpose here

<porcupine> Beck is doing some stuff for K now

<delve> Mr. Griffin: was it ever explicitly stated in any document that the band signed that all material-recorded before and after the band signed to the label-is the exclusive property of Geffen?

<Griffin> Geffen website is a corporate website centered around products. Each album gets a page.

<|ANARCHY|> he's not saying anything

<Urnone> hey let dietpink ask whatever she wants!

<|ANARCHY|> now he is

<peptalk> yeah i know.. but i heard theres like a remix album in effect.

<porcupine> Hey Perle, the man's been talking for the past hour and half +

<porcupine> !!

<Urnone> i would ask the same thing

<dietpink> did kurt write anything on the new hole album?

<Griffin> We don't intend to provide the definitive Nirvana site. We know it is limited.

<Stoney420> GRIFFIN: WHY CANT I POST MATERIAL ON A WEB PAGE, WHEN YOU HAVE NO COPYRIGHT CONTROL OVER THE MATERIAL?

<dietpink> i'm not a she....

<XHeartSha> slippyboy:i got it to work!!! this is everlongdg!

<dperle> So either I'm really late, or you guys started really early!

<Urnone> sorry =)

<Urnone> hehe

<NrvanaGrl> It seems to me all this is extrememly clear

<Slippyboy> Well, that's good to hear!

<Onno> limited? well that's one way to put it...

<Stoney420> Unless you DO have copyright control over such recordings as Fecal Matter and the KAOS radio demo.

<porcupine> Stoney, calm down, please....all Nirvana material is copyrighted to Nirvana. They wrote it, bam - it's there's

<XHeartSha> i just tried it and it worked

<|ANARCHY|> why would they?

<JimBliss> They have Nirvana songs on the DEMOS so yes they do.

<Slippyboy> David, Jim decided to start early to answer the questions of Nirvana fans that can't make the scheduled time.

<|ANARCHY|> just the songs that have been released

<Urnone> do you have any NEW nirvana material in the works Jim? Any videos coming out for Nirvana?

<Griffin> Stoney: If it's a full-length songs recorded or performed by Nirvana, you need permission before you can distribute it.

<delve> Mr. Griffin: was it ever explicitly stated in any document that the band signed that all material-recorded before and after the band signed to the label-is the exclusive property of Geffen?

<porcupine> Urnone: READ THE AUTO GREET

<Newaveboy> MR Griffin: What if KAOS or another station were to replay that tape, since they probably got rights to it when Nirvana perforemed, what would you do?

<|ANARCHY|> like Mexican Seafood, Downer, Floyd the Barber, Hairspray Queen, Spank Thru,

<Stoney420> so why do you shut down pages, and the remaining members of nirvana dont. I just want a straight answer here.

<porcupine> Mr. Griffin has no knowledge of any New Nirvana releases

<NrvanaGrl> Im sure thats not the case

<Griffin> If a radio station plays music, it is a different matter.

<Urnone> ok

<Kirbyjean> what about before they where NIRVANA?

<JimBliss> Please everyone respect the answers Jim Griffin gives you.

<Tom_Davie> Griffin: Permission from whom? This way, if I know the answer I can ask before I post.

<porcupine> Stoney: Geffen do NOT shut down pages

<Griffin> Use on the net is considered a distribution. Radio airplay is a broadcast, rather like a performance.

<JimBliss> What about radio shows?

<Fabricoh> i missed the answer to my beck remix album

<Griffin> They are different copyright matters.

<Fabricoh> question

<delve> Tom, you may also need permission from the RIAA

<JimBliss> Legal to trade?

<Stoney420> Jim Bliss...who shut you down? specifically.

<Onno> Jim Griffin: what about streaming audio over the net?

<porcupine> this is like an alt.music.nirvana festive get-together!

<XHeartSha> griffen:do you know if there are any new nirvana albums in the works, such as the box set thats rumored?

<Newaveboy> Mr Griffin: Sorry if you've gone over this before, but I just joined--but what is wrong with distribution if its not commercially released material and its not for profit?

<eyesore> beck is one crazy dude

<Manabatt> What if you had a life feed through something such as Real Audio?

<{|mAtt|}> can you trade tapes of radio performances such as opinion

<ChrP> If geffen don't shut down pages we can still have complete songs on our pages can't we??

<Tom_Davie> delve: Thanks. Although I'm not sure if the RIAA applies in Canada....

<eyesore> i like the new beck video cuz its crazy

<Griffin> A radio show that is in a tangible format -- i.e., you can hold it in your hand -- is a distribution, not a broadcast or performance.

<NrvanaGrl> oh fun fun fun

<porcupine> XHeartSha...please please please LISTEN: Mr Griffin has no knowledge of any new Nirvana releases

<XHeartSha> sorry

<NrvanaGrl> haha

<Griffin> Streaming audio such as real audio is also considered a distribution, because the streams can be captured.

<Fabricoh> so if i were to like... get on stage and cover a bunch of beck tunes.. would DGC get pissed?

<Newaveboy> but with the advent of a cassette deck I can make copies of broadcasts, thats common knowledge

<porcupine> Geffen will write you and request that you remove the full-length clips. If you do not, then they talk stricter actions.

<Manabatt> And I can set my tape player to record off the Radio

<Onno> Please keep unneeded commnents to a minimum people

<JimBliss> Cover songs are the same way then?

<Stoney420> JIM BLISS WHO SPECIFICALLY SHUT DOWN YOUR PAGE???

<Urnone> hehehe

<eyesore> how do you cover beck

<JimBliss> legal issues?

<Vagelis> trading bootleg tapes is ok , right?

<eyesore> its like, all synth

<Fabricoh> with an acoustic guitar.. i have ra files.. want some?

<JimBliss> I'm sick of talking about Bliss Records.

<Griffin> Cover songs are different and involve different legal rights and permissions.

<Urnone> like nirvana covered my sharona live

<static> hey Slippy

<Fabricoh> and baba oreilly, and the end by the doors

<static> hey Jim

<JimBliss> But still illegal to have on the net, etc...

<porcupine> static!

<Griffin> At Geffen, we absolutely do not shut down pages, nor do we ask others to do so.

<Stoney420> Jim, I just want to get it strait. I thought it was Geffen, but apparently not...

<delve> Stoney, most pages, like mine, were shut down by Geffen, I would assume that most of the letters were from Mr. Griifin(mine was)

<porcupine> hey, this is starfish

<eyesore> baba oreilly is kewl

<Fabricoh> yeah so whats up with new sonic youth release?

<porcupine> aka chris

<{|mAtt|}> yeah can covers they did be traded or put on the net

<Slippyboy> Hello Static.

<Griffin> We favor free speech and love the efforts you've devoted to our bands.

<static> hey Chris

<VCV-Wrkn> Away! [ Working :( ] [Time/5h 51m] [Log/On] [Page/Off]

<InHisHand> someone kick EYESORE please!

<Fabricoh> any word on that dog breaking up?

<Fabricoh> thats what i was told

<NrvanaGrl> who cars

<static> i faxed Thurston at 5:30 AM, heh

<JimBliss> Geffen didn't like the full-length songs, and that's it.

<Griffin> But we have one polite and simple request: No full-length songs without permission.

<Stoney420> If geffen doesnt ask for the pages to be shut down, then who the fuck does?

<porcupine> New Sonic Youth: March 24th

<Urnone> I hooe not i love that dog

<Urnone> =)

<porcupine> did you get a reply, static?

<|ANARCHY|> hey

<Stoney420> I cant seem to get a strait answer here.

<Fabricoh> i love that dog too :/

<|ANARCHY|> a day before my birthday!

<Newaveboy> Mr Griffin: Who do we get permission from, Krist, DAve of You?

<eyesore> shut up inhishand

<Fabricoh> i heard weezer broke up as well..

<static> not yet, i just faxed him to tell him to check his mail

<Griffin> If we find them, we will ask that it stop. Our request may trigger a more extreme response from geocities or tripod ...

<Newaveboy> or i meant, not of

<JimBliss> How would you suggest that we get permission?

<Manabatt> Hey Jim, I have a quiestion, did geffen give you a sheet of answers for some quiestion? And do you have a lawyer standing over your shoulder?

<soupie> Seriously, some of you guys are just about as pathetically annoying as you are on the mailing list. Give up your crusade. Who cares what you know or how deep your Nirvana knowledge goes. Who cares about embarassing others when they make a mistake or are ignorant on a matter. I thought we were all here for the same reason. With that, I'm out of here. Thanks Mr. Griffin for answering honestly. Thanks to those who tried to maintain some

<Tom_Davie> Griffin: permission from who please

<delve> Griffin:Would Geffen give permission to put up full length songs under ANY circumstances?

<Griffin> ,,, because serving up multimedia files without permission violates their rules ...

<Floaty> umm one thing that has been bothering me (anyone can answer to this question) how many copyes has Nevermind Sold ?

<JimBliss> What?

<Slippyboy> Thank you, Soupie

*** Fabricoh is now known as peptalk

<twarineke> yeah, how many copy's of all albums are sold ? that's interesting...

<Newaveboy> Floaty: approx. 8 zillion copies

<Floaty> heh ok

<Griffin> The real issue surrounding these page shutdowns is economic.

<Stoney420> What about the rumors that the reasong geffen has been shutting down Nirvana sound files is because they plan to market nirvana sound files over the web?

<delve> Floaty, about 6 million at last check

<Stoney420> reason.

<{|mAtt|}> just because i dload a file off the net doesnt mean i wont buy oicial releasdes

<JimBliss> What about the BCC documentary?

<peptalk> whats the deal with That Dog?

<ChrP> Floaty I've read 14

<{|mAtt|}> 8mil i think

<JimBliss> will it really have some of the Fecal Matter on it?

<Griffin> It is expensive to devote bandwidth to serving up the files, so many people "remote stage" files or otherwise ...

<Newaveboy> Mr Griffin: You know that we have no intention of making a profit off any of these recordings, yet you consider us as breaking laws, why?

<Downerboy> Nevermind has sold 12 million hasn't it?

<delve> 14 worldwidemaybe, about 6 mill in the states

<Downerboy> Worldwide I mean

<peptalk> hmmm dont you guys realize that youre not winning any fights bitching about copyright?

<Downerboy> I LOVE ANNA WARONKER

<JimBliss> Have you heard of the BCC doc. Jim?

<danny> --==4i'M_T00_C00l!1==--

<peptalk> lets talk about stuff that makes a difference.

<danny> So i could just look at it as if i bought the album

<XHeartSha> really

<peptalk> and do your illegal mp3 trading behind the scenes.

<tourettes> because you are breaking laws.......

<Downerboy> HEY GRIFFIN TELL ANNA I LOVE HER AND I WANT HER TO HAVE MY bABY!

<twarineke> On the Back of the official Nirvana biography, come as you are, it says almost ten million copys of Nevermind..

<dietpink> did patti really quit hole?

<eyesore> what is the geffen site? www.geffen.com?

<Downerboy> Yeah, but that was in 93

<Urnone> yes

<Chippie> GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM

<Chippie> GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM

<Chippie> GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM

<Downerboy> it's almost 5 years later big guy

<{|mAtt|}> kick him

<peptalk> oh jeezus

<Floaty> huh

<JimBliss> don't do that.

<danny> fuck chipi

<twarineke> nevermind chippie, Mr griffin

<Downerboy> what a loser

<JimBliss> be respectful to Geffen

<Urnone> whoa =/

<Floaty> hmm is something like that comes do +m and +v to people and if they mess around remove +v

<And_reas> For how long will this chat session last?

<delve> Mr. Griffin: was it ever explicitly stated in any document that the band signed that all material-recorded before and after the band signed to the label-is the exclusive property of Geffen?

<Stoney420> I may be cynical, but I believe im right to assume that reason geffen has been shutting down almost exclusively nirvana pages, is that they plan to do a nirvana release over the web.

<]1ceW0lf[> HoLA

<SVirone> Kick him out.

<Onno> anyone who does that gets kicked on the spot. Stick to the subject

<danny> i did

<Spork7> Mr Griffin, does Geffen own the rights to the fecal matter demo? The songs on it that were never Nirvana songs, but just Kurt?

<Manabatt> Chippe I have a quiestion for you, have you ever seen a company that "sucks" send out a rep to talk to fans?

<]1ceW0lf[> GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE

<]1ceW0lf[> ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN

<]1ceW0lf[> SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A

<]1ceW0lf[> CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE

<]1ceW0lf[> ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORP

<]1ceW0lf[> ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORP

<]1ceW0lf[> ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORP

<]1ceW0lf[> ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORPORATE ASSHOLE!GEFFEN SUCKS JIM IS A CORP

*** porcupine sets mode: +m

<porcupine> people...please listen for a second

<porcupine> Please stop asking about new Nirvana releases, whether bands have broken up, etc,

<porcupine> Jim is here to discuss the matter at heart: why pages are being taken down, and Geffen's role in it all

<porcupine> Okay?

<porcupine> Please, no floods, nothing.

<porcupine> Just try and get along

<porcupine> see, now he's gone...

<porcupine> and he's back, good

*** Slippyboy sets mode: +o JGriffin

<porcupine> Alright, let's get back to this. Try and be civilized.

*** porcupine sets mode: -m

<JimBliss> Griffin do have you heard about the BCC documentary about Nirvana with some of the Fecal Matter in it?

<static> jim's here to talk about anything he wants

<JimBliss> like it's suppose to out soon I think.

<twarineke> wb jgriffin

<dietpink> .

<Urnone> 1,0W0,1e1,0L0,1c1,0O0,1m1,0E 0,1B1,0a0,1C1,0k0,1!

<NrvanaGrl> wb Jim

<eyesore> well ive learned all i can

<eyesore> so long

<JGriffin> Don't know anything about the BBC documentary.

<JimBliss> thanks

<And_reas> Griffin - will Geffen keep on shutting down normal Nirvana pages only including pictures and other normal stuff as tabs lyrics++++ ?

<Spork7> Mr Griffin, does Geffen own the rights to the fecal matter demo? The songs on it that were never Nirvana songs, but just Kurt?

<danny> so why did you had to put it down?

<static> hey Jim, i mailed Ray Farrell and Roy Hamm, are they not in the office till Monday or something?

<JGriffin> And_reas: We never did.

<Newaveboy> Griffin: So the bottom line is no full songs w/o permission. Who gives permission?

<danny> yes who?

<Tom_Davie> Griffin: If I've got some material I would like to put up on a web or ftp site, who do I ask for permission; Geffen, Krist Novoselic, Dave Grohl, Courtney Love or....

<danny> grif?

<JGriffin> You can request permission of Geffen business affairs. The address is on every Geffen record.

<{|mAtt|}> yeah can we get permission

<And_reas> Why did Mexican Seafood close? Didn't geffen shut it down?

<porcupine> this is giving me a headache...

<JGriffin> Geffen has never shut down a web site.

<danny> i don't think grif can read that fast!!!

<|ANARCHY|> no

<Downerboy> No, She had personal problems

<twarineke> what's about our chance to get permission ?

<{|mAtt|}> is there a chance o getting permisson

<brolin> thanks. take care.

<JGriffin> Nor have we requested a web site be shut down.

<Stoney420> IF GEFFEN HAS NEVER SHUT DOWN A WEB SITE, THEN WHO HAS?

<dperle> If you're saying that Mexican Seafood is down right now, I'm going to cry! (semi-sarcasm)

<|ANARCHY|> she didn't have enough time and /or patience to deal with that page and opinion magazine

<Downerboy> But David Perle brought it back up

<Downerboy> Almost as good as new also

<Downerboy> Good Job Dave!

<dperle> Layla shut down Mex.Seaf. for her own personal reasons.

<rkatson> and_reas: Mex Seefood shutdowbn cause it got too big and her server booted her off

<delve> Griffin:is Geffen likely to give permission? (In your opinion)

<Newaveboy> Griffin: Geffen can't shut down web pages, only the server can, so techincally your right, but its all beauracracy

<Spork7> Does Geffen have any opinion on the Fecal Matter Quest? Are they against it?

<static> hey Jim, i mailed Ray Farrell and Roy Hamm, how long do you think it'll take em to get back to me? (i'm assuming they dont go back to work until tomorrow)

<Stoney420> C'mon Jim, Geffen has had to at least THREATEN to take down a page

<And_reas> Griffin - How about all those Nirvana MP3-sites.. Weren't they shut down by Geffen?? (sorry for repeating myself)

<static> (iin regards to SOnicYouth)

<JimBliss> I'm sure Griffin won't lie, so just believe him

<danny> There's no need to ask premission for those kind of stuff!!!!

<XHeartSha> hey kabeer

<Spork7> please kick chippie before he floods us again

<danny> hu?

<JGriffin> There are providers (such as Geocities, Tripod, etc.) who react by closing a site if it violates their rules, and I don't blame them ...

<VCV-Wrkn> Away! [ Working :( ] [Time/6h 1m] [Log/On] [Page/Off]

<JGriffin> ... because there are other issues that concern them in addition to copyright.

<danny> but there no use in that grifiin!

<Stoney420> but, Griffin, Do you request, or ask them to shut it down??

*** Chippie was kicked by Onno (Onno)

<{|mAtt|}> Does subpop have an opinion on all this???

<danny> Wow!!! onno!!!

<XHeartSha> no!! he has said 50 times. THEY DONT SHUT DOWN WEB SITES!!!

<JGriffin> Ask our friend who runs Nirvana Club what happened with his site, which had dozens of full-length songs.

<{|mAtt|}> ban him

<NirvClub> it's still running :-)

<danny> why should sub pop have an opinion????

*** Slippyboy sets mode: +b *!*@blb-as1s14.erols.com

<Slippyboy> banned...

*** Chippie was kicked by porcupine (porcupine)

<Stoney420> THEY dont shut down web pages, but i refuse to believe that geocities shut down JImBliss page, and geffen had nothing to do with it.

<porcupine> yeah

<Slippyboy> and kicked :)

<Downerboy> really? I cant get to your site

<{|mAtt|}> becuase they have partial right to some nirvana i believe

<rockjock> 21,09<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<Newaveboy> Griffin: I as well as others would be glad for those sights will full length released material to be shut down, but why attack the rare/unreleased stuff?

<rockjock> 21,09<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<JGriffin> His site is still up today, was never down for a minute. We wrote him a note, he changed his full-length songs to 30-second clips, and never missed a beat.

<rockjock> 21,09<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<rockjock> 21,09<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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<rockjock> 21,09<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!<Chippie> WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<Downerboy> I wasnt your lion's share

<Urnone> geezus!

<JGriffin> I'm not saying that makes everyone happy, but we don't shut down sites.

<danny> then who does???

<Stoney420> but you do push to get certain pages to shorten there songs, or just not include songs, dont you Griffin?

<{|mAtt|}> the servers

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<Genocide9> then what are you doing

<NirvClub> the owners of the sites

<{|mAtt|}> like goecites or tripod

<NirvClub> or the servers

<Kirby> why does someone always have to ruin it for everyone else?

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<Downerboy> All the deal is, is the way the artists want to distribute the songs

<static> people use MP3's as means of bootlegging, you can get whole albums at near CD quality for free w/ them. it takes away from band and the record companies, both end up losing money. it's not that hard to understand why they'd be against it

<Urnone> the servers do the shutting down right?

<static> Nirvana themselves were against bootleggers, MP3's the same thing

<danny> but why would they B interest in shuting my web?

<JGriffin> We will do everything within our power to ensure that any full-length song has the permission of the artist or disappears.

<Manabatt> Think about it people, If you were making millions of dollars off of a cd you made and then someone found out a way to distribute it to where you made no money, would you be very happy? I think not, that is all that is needed for the sound byte issue

<static> it's not that hard to comprehend

<Newaveboy> Manabatt: What released cd has the KAOS '87 show, I'm gonna go buy it right now.

<{|mAtt|}> brb

<Stoney420> so, the only solution to our problem, is to some way get permission from the people who own the songs...the remaining band members. Is that correct Griffin?

<grud> Good luck getting rid of all of them because they're millions of sites with full songs

<XHeartSha> can we just drop this, its been said 2000 times and is getting boring

<NiMBuS> will there be a box set of rare songs released any time soon?

<And_reas> Mr. Griffin - Is Geffen considering giving permission to people to have full-length songs on the internet, just as Pearl Jam did?

<Slippyboy> So, this seems to be the a.m.n IRC meeting we were all talking about! hehehe

<dperle> Only about 778 Nirvana sites. =)

<Opinion> Griffin: instead of emailing the preovider about full lenght songs, could you please just email the page owner? that will prevent WHOLE pages from being taken down

<Kirby> If they were against bootlegs why does Krist say this ones for all you bootleggers out there on one of the recordings ive heard

<porcupine> no kidding, Slippyboy

<XHeartSha> he doesnt know anything about new nirvana releases

<Vagelis> Hoh can MP3 's or bootlegs, cut a bands profits, since those songs dont exist in any official album???

<|ANARCHY|> I'D LIKE TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT NRVANAGRL (Tara) at otheguilt@paonline.com or otheguilt@aol.com is a BAD TRADER!!!!! Do NOT trade with her! I sent her 6 videos over a YEAR ago, to copy 3 Nirvana videos, and she has sent nothing in return. This might be off-subject, but I think everyone should know that she is a BAD TRADER and should NOT be dealt with.

<twarineke> can someone change the topic to "Jim Griffin : We do not shut down Pages at Geffen" please

<Stoney420> you know everyones here when even I show up.

<Onno> Griffin: why do you not actively search for full songs sites?

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<Manabatt> I don't know much about the kaos show but I'm sure if you got permission From Krist or Dave that it would be fine

<static> he's mocking them

<danny> --==4i'M_T00_C00l!1==--

<Slippyboy> okay...don't do stuff like that anymore, Anarchy.

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<porcupine> whoops

<porcupine> =)

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<Serpentor> Well? Where's Jim Griffin?

<grud> If more of this stuff was released then you wouldn't have to worry about all this crap

<Newaveboy> Manabatt: I ask that question because I thought we were here to talk about the rare song stuff rather than the already accepted illegal released stuff.

<Justin> Thomas Morgan said mine was ranked #749!

<danny> what?

<And_reas> Mr. Griffin - Is Geffen considering giving all fans permission to put up bootlegs on the internet, just as Pearl-Jam's label did?

<JGriffin> We do search for full-length songs.

<delve> Please refrain from distributing without authorization full-length songs

<delve> recorded or performed by Nirvana.

<delve> Jim Griffin

<delve> Director of Technology

<delve> Geffen Records

<danny> there's too many people here!!!

<delve> that was the letter i got from jim

<JGriffin> Yes, delve has seen my handiwork, apparently.

<NiMBuS> so....when do we get more rare stuff?? Instead of "stealing" it why not release it!

<Vagelis> .

<JGriffin> A very simple, polite, no-bullshit request.

<Vagelis> l

<dperle> Was it ever answered exactly how Geffen has the rights over something that Kurt recorded several years prior to signing to Geffen?

<delve> and i complied

<Opinion> Griffin: instead of emailing the preovider about full lenght songs, could you please just email the page owner? that will prevent WHOLE pages from being taken down

<JGriffin> Opinion: We endeavor to do that ...

<danny> --==4i'M_T00_C00l!1==--

<And_reas> __Mr. Griffin - Is Geffen considering giving all fans permission to put up bootlegs on the internet, just as Pearl-Jam's label did?

<JGriffin> ... but it depends on how accessible the name of the web page operator is.

<Newaveboy> If we were to distribute live and rare unreleased material through the net, then that would be that much less stuff bottleggers have to make money with and rip off the artist

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<InHisHand> I dont that matter of pre-nirvana recordings was ever was ever answered

<JGriffin> Remember: We focus on where the audio file is located, not the web site address ...

<Onno> well you don;t search very hard. I know lots of sites that are easy to find and you don't shut them down. It seems almost random to people that are shut down

<grud> How about waiting till he answers some questions before flooding him with them

<Opinion> danny... what is that file?

<NrvanaGrl> See I don't mind the restrictions.. if it was for a reason.. will Geffen release the material officially

<Serpentor> JGriffin: When's the next Guns & Roses CD coming out?

<Stoney420> I asked that question several times DPerle. and never got a straight answer.

<NiMBuS> lol

<dperle> ...Would Geffen have the rights to a song Kurt could have recorded at 10 years old for his mom's birthday?

<static> hey you're a bad trader Tara?

<{|mAtt|}> g+r sucks

<porcupine> Perle, here's teh thing:

<porcupine> the, rather

<Opinion> Griffin... can you just notify the owner if their is an email address oin the page?

<Newaveboy> good question dperle!

<Slippyboy> Let's not discuss GNR

<JGriffin> ... and that is almost always a blind page for "remote staging" the file from Geocities or Tripod, etc.

<porcupine> it has NOTHING to do with when the song was written, whatever. The matter is: Artists should have control over how their material is distributed

<Stoney420> the ARTIST is DEAD

<Serpentor> JGriffin: Do you get as many chicks as the guys in Nirvana did?

<NiMBuS> yea, well the artist isnt here anymore!

<And_reas> The Fecal Matter Demo was recorded at Kurt's aunt's house in 1985.. How come Geffen has the rights to it?

<Kirby> But if Kurt recorded it how will we get his permision?

<delve> good one stoney

<NiMBuS> YEAH!

<twarineke> Griffin, does Geffen own a pre Nirvana recording ? if so then you also own any Scream recording by Dave Grohl..

<dperle> I agree about artists' rights; HOWEVER, what aurhority does GEFFEN have to do anything about it? That's the question...

<JimBliss> Ask normal questoins please

<XHeartSha> it doesnt matter!! goto #guns and roses and talk about them. this isnt the pla

<Stoney420> Common sense

<XHeartSha> ce

<JGriffin> We do not focus on wed sites, we focus on file locations.

<porcupine> Geffen doesn't have the rights, the BAND has the rights

<JGriffin> wed = web

<JimBliss> This is Geffen and G'n'R is on Geffen, although I don't like them.

<Stoney420> the artist is dead, therfore forgoing the right to give permission.

<VCV-Wrkn> Away! [ Working :( ] [Time/6h 11m] [Log/On] [Page/Off]

<porcupine> The artist is not dead, the artist can be Krist and Dave as well

<MahaSHIT> hi

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<Stoney420> of course, this isnt a perfect world

<dperle> Um...why are people talking about gn'r here? Just wondering...

<Manabatt> Not if Kurt made the song and sung it when he was ten for his mom

<Stoney420> so I cant use that as legal Grounds.

<And_reas> Well who has the rights, when Kurt is dead?

<grud> Nirvana isn't even a group anymore

<{|mAtt|}> not in the casde o many old re cordings

<Stoney420> Krist and Dave had NOTHING to do with Fecal Matter.

<delve> yes, but they were not the songwriters porc

<twarineke> So if the band or its managment doesn't sew (how do i write this) ? there's nothing wrong ?

<NiMBuS> wasnt krist in fecal matter?

<XHeartSha> no

<twarineke> I think now Courtney has the right...

<Stoney420> Dale Crover maybe...

<NiMBuS> oh...oops

<danny> no

<twarineke> as of Kurts inheritance..

<XHeartSha> and like shed give us the right to anything....

<Stoney420> no shit

<danny> Kurt was a drummer

<NiMBuS> i guess io read an incorrect timeline..

<Kirby> really

<porcupine> Mr. Griffin, perhaps you need to explain ONE more time why material recorded before the band signed to Geffen is still unallowed to be posted in increments larger than 30 seconds. Some people still don't understand.

<Stoney420> Krist may have been in fecal matter, but he didnt record the demo

<And_reas> Griffin - Is Geffen considering legalizing Nirvana bootlegs, just as Pearl Jam did?

<Stoney420> thats all i know

<Newaveboy> If you record it you know then it can be ditributed, it slike leaving a message on an answering machine, you know its gonna be there and it can be there forever and it can be distributed

<InHisHand> Mr Griffin, please shed some light on this topic

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<JGriffin> Because everything recorded or performed by Nirvana, regardless of where or when, requires permission from Nirvana before it is distributed.

<rkatson> But fecal matter isnt nirvana

<JimBliss> even Fecal Matter

<porcupine> thank you!

<NiMBuS> But nirvana doesnt exist anymore!!

<danny> it is

<Spork7> what about things preformend by Kurt?

<Stoney420> One more time...how in gods name do we get in contact with Nirvana...

<Kirby> what about before there was a NIRVANA?

<JGriffin> Just as would be a book written by you ...

<porcupine> right there, we have our answer

<grud> Is there going to be a box set anytime soon?

<{|mAtt|}> but what about Kurts songs without Nirvana invloved. hes dead so...

<JimBliss> it has Nirvana songs on it, three of them in fact

<Stoney420> I mean, the lead singer/song writer/guitarist is dead.

<delve> here's a crazy idea, let jim answer the first question before you ask eight other questions

<twarineke> so if I have opinion.ra on my page there's nothing Geffen itself can do about it ! ???

<JimBliss> I mean four

<dperle> But that brings up my question again...would a song Kurt recorded for his mom's birthday when he was 10 be owned by Geffen? Where do you draw the line?

<Newaveboy> Griffin: but you're saying Nirvana has made you (forever and ever) the person who decides what to take down like Divine Right, once and forever

<danny> people connect Feccal M... with Nirvana but they should!!!

<NiMBuS> Griffin:::: IS a box set going to be released soon? ive heard rumours of this...

<porcupine> if it is SHORTER than 30 seconds, your opinion.ra will not turn heads at Geffen

<JimBliss> Shane do you have the whole chat?

<danny> it short

<And_reas> Griffin - The way I see it, it's up to Nirvana and not Geffen to give permission to release bootlegs, or am I wrong?

<JGriffin> No, we are not saying we get to decide exclusively. If you think you have the right or permission, let us know. Explain it to us.

<porcupine> Dave (Slippy) is logging it

<Slippyboy> What if a complete Nirvana song is shorter than 30 seconds? hehehe

<Newaveboy> Well then why dont we post 30 sec inceremnts at many different pages, then convert them to .wav's and connect them, its not that hard.

<twarineke> I don't think Geffen has anything to do with Opinion. i don't think Kurt ever copyrighted it either..

<porcupine> OpinionS is copyrighted

<porcupine> www.bmi.com

<JGriffin> We're not claiming some moral superiority, only that if we find a full-length song recorded or performed by Nirvana, we believe you need our permission.

<danny> slip

<static> yeah it's copyrithed

<static> righted

<Manabatt> I am logging this also and I have been here before everyone but vcb-wrkn

<JGriffin> If you disagree, explain. Let us know. We write a polite note. We're not nazis about it.

<danny> all are

<grud> Does geffen have fecal matter?

<porcupine> Griffin, please answer this now, to satisfy these people: Do you have a recording of Opinion done by the full band?

<static> who cares if they do? they dont owe it to you

<Opinion> would their be any way to get your permission?

<danny> nazis?

<And_reas> Mr. Griffin - Has Geffen ever given permission to a Nirvana web page to publish a full-length-song?

<twarineke> Are songs like Montage From Heck copyrighted ?

<porcupine> Are you talking to me static?

<JGriffin> I do not know what recordings we possess and what we do not possess.

<Floaty> Griffin: As Long as you dont start to do the 'Oasis policy' On Internet its cool

<static> if Courtney and Geffen want to release Fecal Matter, she will

<static> no Chris

<static> grud

<Opinion> it is Opinion, not Opinions

<JimBliss> It won't

<Newaveboy> Griffin: I'm not trying to be a nazi about this, im just curious why you have the right to tell us, since obviously Krist and Dave don't feel the matter has gotten out of hand, I would stop if they wanted me to.

<JimBliss> the FMD

<JGriffin> We do not have full-length songs on the Geffen site. That should tell you something!

<Downerboy> What is the Oasis policy?

<grud> Are there any plans for a nirvana box set anytime soon?

<SADSnaggY> .

<danny> what thehell does Courtney got to do with it???????????

<Downerboy> Yeah Mr. Griffin, but you have to admit that the Geffen site is pretty shitty.

<porcupine> Actually, it is OpinionS. Go to ww.bmi.com

<twarineke> Courtney has Kurts inheritance !!

<{|mAtt|}> you got no right

<static> uhh she owns all Kurt's unreleased shit,t hat's what

<Floaty> downerboy:They closed down all oasis sites (only offical stayed) and were threating with law etc

<static> including Fecal Matter

<NiMBuS> JIM: is bliss records web site gone for good?

<And_reas> Mr. Griffin - Is Geffen considering giving all fans permission to put up bootlegs on the internet, just as Pearl-Jam's label did?

<Newaveboy> Griffin: you also do not have any unreleased material on the Geffen site either.

<Kirby> why are you beatting around the bush with so many of our issues?

<danny> and the connection is????

<Stoney420> FMQ website is gone for good

<static> he's not Kirby

<And_reas> Griffin - The way I see it, it's up to Nirvana and not Geffen to give permission to release bootlegs, or am I wrong?

<NiMBuS> NNOO!!

<Onno> yes bliss is gone

<NiMBuS> that sux badly..

<And_reas> Mr. Griffin - Has Geffen ever given permission to a Nirvana web page to publish a full-length-song?

<danny> when did FM broke??

<Stoney420> Rob Sent his last newsletter today.

<{|mAtt|}> i need to get the M demo

<Opinion> how can i get permission to have full length songs?

<static> if it had permission by Nirvana, it wouldnt be a bootleg And-reas

<danny> AND REAS>>> how long will you ask this question????

<Stoney420> until he/she gets an answer

<static> and if Nirvana wanted to release it, they would

<NiMBuS> probably until it is answered

<Stoney420> assumingly

<And_reas> Danny - hopefully till i get an answer.. OK, I'll stop

<twarineke> I'd like to know the answer to andreas' question too actually..

<danny> it's not so easy matt!!!!!!!!

<JGriffin> Different countries, different laws: On copyright they all agree that the artist or their representative controls the distribution of the art.

<grud> Is there plans for a nirvana bootleg anytime soon?!!!!!

<porcupine> You can't accuse Mr. Griffin of "beating around the bush"...I can barely keep track of all these questions!

<{|mAtt|}> yeah i knwo

<XHeartSha> griffin: so we can have clips of songs on pages no longer than 30 seconds no matter what they are from(fmd,albums, bootlegs, etc)

<JGriffin> And in the US it is now a felony, even if no money changes hands.

<porcupine> a nirvana BOOTLEG??

<NiMBuS> GRIFFIN: Will the KAOS show ever be officially released???

<Kirby> true

<static> hey Jim, just answer the question regarding Geffen ever giving permission. get em to shut up already

<Newaveboy> Griffin: well what did Nirvana say, they OR their rep. could/did they choose who has the rights?

<danny> AND REAS>>>> sure, but i don't think they cared about giving premi.. untill now

<twarineke> nimbus, mr griffin doesn't know

<Prozac> I want to know what's up with Geffen shutting down all those web sites.

<NiMBuS> thanks

<porcupine> XHeartSha has a good question: are 30 second clips of UNRELEASED material still allowed?

<JimBliss> Griffin what haven't you heard that you'd like to hear from Nirvana?

<danny> i got only 1 FM song Matt

<Opinion> the dictionary definition of bootleg is 'illegal' (dont quote me on that)

<{|mAtt|}> i really want to trade or it

<porcupine> Geffen is NOT shutting down ANY websites

<{|mAtt|}> i dont have any rare stuff though

<Tom_Davie> JGriffin: Fair enough. In this case as regards some of the songs that we want to see, the artist or 1/3 of the artists is dead. So you become the legal representative. Fair enough. I can live with that. But if sites have been shut down( presumably due to a polite request by your company )than I can only conclude that your company has plans to release some of this material

<static> <Opinion> the dictionary definition of bootleg is 'illegal'

<Manabatt> Griffin: If Nirvana gave their permission to someone to let them use a full song and geffen said this was not so, how would this be prooven?

<porcupine> They are e-mailing the people and asking that they remove the innappropriate material

<static> i quoted you on it

<Onno> griffin: why do you not search more actively for copyrighted content?

<VCV-Wrkn> Away! [ Working :( ] [Time/6h 21m] [Log/On] [Page/Off]

<Onno> Bliss Records was widely advertised...

<Stoney420> but geffen has to have some INFLUENCE over the temporary shutdowns of pages with sound clips

<NiMBuS> GRIFFIN: So what about MIDI files??

<JGriffin> I believe we've done a pretty good job of looking for copyrighted content, Onno.

<danny> PORCUPINE is right let him answer@@@

<Newaveboy> Griffin: so piracy is not the issue here, its any full length song (released or unrel.) even w/o the purpose of specificaly not making money?

<{|mAtt|}> ha midi files

<Opinion> MIDI files are OK

<JimBliss> I know of like 6-7 web sites right now

<JGriffin> Midi files are neither recorded nor performed by the artist.

<JimBliss> with more than one full-length song

<danny> hello?

<NiMBuS> hi..

<twarineke> jgriffin, you haven't found my page, so it seems, tough 22.000 other visitors did over the last year and a half..

<danny> ! more solo??????

<InHisHand> Would there be a possible way to talk to you,Courtney,Dave and Krist so that all of you could hear our (the fans) pleas to rlease rare tracks. Otherwise, this conversation will go on and on in a giant circle

<{|mAtt|}> i used to have full length stuff up, i was never shut down or anything

<Opinion> what about nirvana songs covered by other bands?

<Stoney420> I wish we could get a chat with the actual artists who CAN give us permission.

<danny> 1 more solo??????

<dperle> Here's a question...would an artist who makes music in MIDI sequences be copyrighted..that is, his midi files? =)

<JGriffin> We do our best to find full-length content on the net. If we miss it, it only proves we have more work to do.

<JGriffin> But I think people here will agree that we are quite thorough.

<danny> of course in 2049

<JimBliss> I had links on my site, and it got just down, and the other sites got left alone.

<Opinion> what about nirvana songs covered by other bands??

<JimBliss> feels unfair.

<static> Geffen and Nirvana can lose money on full length songs being distro'd on the net. Whether it's released or unreleased doesn't matter because Geffen could still release it in the future. People can download near-CD quality full length songs and not have to buy the album's that have been released or will be released in the future. Nirvana and Geffen both lose money. You're screwing over Krist, Dave, Courtney and Frances Bean, remember.

<Onno> well i still disagree, i think you're not thorough at all

<grud> If it weren't for the songs i found on the internet, My interest for nirvana would be fading because i really want to here new songs

<JimBliss> I understand to a point what you are saying though.

<Newaveboy> Griffin: Can't I claim that since Krist, Dave and Courtney (who GAVE Asking for it w/ Kurt on b. vocals to the radio) havent said no we can continue?

<Onno> try a search engine for god's sake, it's not that hard.

<static> it's called ETHICS people

<{|mAtt|}> i will buy anything realeased so im not screwing anyone

<static> thats YOU

<Prozac> What about RealAudio? RealAudio isn't near-CD quality, it's like radio.

<XHeartSha> griffin:so we can have clips of songs (unreleased or not) on pages and they could be from stuff like the fmd, and bootlegs and geffen wouldnt mind as long as they were 30 seconds max?

<static> some may not

<danny> Griffin>>> did you always care as much to the NIRVANA issue? ... imean it's been 3 years since they broke

<JGriffin> Format and quality are not the issues. The legal precedent is.

<static> people tape songs off the radio so they dont have to buy albums and/or singles, do they not?

<Opinion> GRIFFIN: what about nirvana songs covered by other bands?

<dperle> Here's a point...how many people here can honestly say that they would NOT buy a Geffen-released "rare songs" comp. if they had access to the songs on the computer? I know I would! (But this keeping in mind of also the "protecting the artists' rights" issue, and NOT just the thing about the money...)

<twarineke> I have to go now...

<rkatson> why is everyone helping griffin find the sites and bragging that theirs hasnt been shut down

<twarineke> bye Mr griffin, thank you for all the explenations

<Newaveboy> Am I wrong, I thought this discussion was supposed to be about unreleased stuff on the net. I thoghut we were all in agreement that released material is wrong to post?

<rkatson> it is only going to bring it to be shut down

<Manabatt> Griffin: I think you may think this quiestion childish and immature but it is serious. Regarding short songs like tourturettes being 30-45 seconds sometimes and that also being the maximum wav or RA amount, what is geffens view on those? None at all or full song?

<twarineke> I'll remove my full songs anyway

<danny> hello

<Stoney420> GRIFFIN: Does geffen, the label have legal precedent, or do the remaining members of NIRVANA have Legal Precedent???

<danny> h

<danny> h

<JGriffin> Really, this is not about the money, although there are real financial consequences. It's about reserving for the artist the right to control their art.

<dperle> Yes, I definitely understand protecting artists' rights.

<Opinion> GRIFFIN: what about nirvana songs covered by other bands?

<twarineke> bye

<JimBliss> Like Nirvana never wanted people to hear the Fecal Matter Demo

<NiMBuS> so if i had 30sec of every nirvana song realeased/unrealesed on my page, would it get shutdown?

<Newaveboy> Well if they didnt want it released ever, they should have never put it on tape

* MAW slaps JGriffin around a bit with a large trout

<Opinion> can full length cover songs be on a page?

<grud> Any plans for a box set soon?Do you know

<Manabatt> Griffin: I think you may think this quiestion childish and immature but it is serious. Regarding short songs like tourturettes being 30-45 seconds sometimes and that also being the maximum wav or RA amount, what is geffens view on those? None at all or full song?

<JGriffin> Thanks MAW. I needed that.

<XHeartSha> HE DOESNT KNOW!!

<porcupine> heheh

<Zezon> personnally, I'm not ashamed to download MP3, sure I'll buy them legally if they were distributed, but they aren't...

<static> adios

<Vagelis> dont you get? whatever you say,geffen has made up its mind. they are a "big" company

<Newaveboy> Griffin: wy don't you go after the manufacturers of cassette and dat recorders, there the ones that started it all. if we never had access we could never record Nirvana.

<Stoney420> its not like my Computer matches the sound quality of my stereo.

<{|mAtt|}> if my band does a cover o a nirvana song can i post it so i can hear peoples opinions on it???

<Prozac> Yeah, you shouldn't be posting released stuff. But stuff on singles and others that are hard to find... I'm not gonna buy the Lithium single for $20 just to hear Curmudgeon. I just don't see what's wrong with rare songs being posted on RealAudio.

<Stoney420> and i dont have a CD-R

<JimBliss> Thanks Maw. I needed that to who?

<Newaveboy> Isn't it even illegal to record a cd to tape to play in your car?

<NiMBuS> WHAT about OUTCESTICIDE????

<Opinion> GRIFFIN: WHAT ABOUT NIRVANA SONGS COVERED BY OTHER BANDS?

<porcupine> $20 for lithium single? where do you live?

<JGriffin> Personally, I believe the real evil is copy protection. If we don't find order on the net, we may someday face very powerful forms of copy protection.

<XHeartSha> well guys, its been fun but i gotta go. Thanx jim for putting up with all this

<Slippyboy> Until everything ever done by Nirvana is officially released, bootlegging will continue.

<XHeartSha> bye

<Prozac> I saw it at Best Buy for $20 once.

<{|mAtt|}> Mr. Griffinif my band does a cover o a nirvana song can i post it so i can hear peoples opinions on it???

<danny> Griffin>> did you always cared as much to Nirvana as much??? it been 3 years from now!!

<Vagelis> zzz

<Stoney420> 20 dollars for the Lithium single imported form England, with D7 on it.

<grud> If you'd release the stuff then we wouldn't have to download them. When a band dies like that it gives people a need to hear more music

<Stoney420> from

<Onno> what's wrong with copy-protection?

<{|mAtt|}> go to circuit city for singles

<danny> --==4i'M_T00_C00l!1==--

<danny> Griffin>> did you always cared as much to Nirvana as much??? it been 3 years from now!!

<Newaveboy> I have no problem with that on released material Griffin, but what we (or at least I ) am talking about here is unreleased material, either performed live or recorded.

<JGriffin> danny: As the possibility of net commerce draws nearer, our need to create order grows greater.

<JGriffin> Unreleased material is even more a matter of artist rights. It is up to the artist what they want to distribute.

<And_reas> Griffin - Is MP3-files a problem for record labels? They haven't stopped me from buying CDs...

<InHisHand> Griffin::: in terms of access to Krist, Dave, Courtney, and yourself, you can understand that our access is limited. Therefore, at the VERY LEAST, could you make it known to these people, as well as the rest of Geffen Records that there are so many of us who want to hear rare songs. If you let Krist or Dave know that, I am sure they would have no problem relasing more tracks for us fans.

<JimBliss> The net will be so you have to pay for almost everything, I beleieve some day this will happen.

<danny> Griffin> understood but...

<Newaveboy> So are bands like the Greatful Dead and Pearl Jam morons (in your opinion) for allowing bootlegging live and unreleased material?

<Stoney420> I know you cannot CONFIRM this Griff, but My belief is that DGC is concentrating on nirvana, because the next nirvana release is going to be over the net.

<{|mAtt|}> GD suck

<Opinion> what if we have a whole song, but it isnt actually whole... it is broken down into like 8 30 second clips?

<{|mAtt|}> i want my nirvana on CD not on my computer

<Stoney420> me too

<Newaveboy> I thknk we have something here, Blandest according to Jack Endino was wiped after the session, so the only way it got out was through Chad, Krist < kurt or Jason.

<danny> Matt's right

<Stoney420> but, Its not gonna happen that way.

<Kirby> me too

<grud> I'm losing the internet soon so if there is a nirvana internet release i'm not gonna be able to hear it

<JimBliss> Best possible quality is what I want.

<danny> and a CD

<Manabatt> Griffin: I think you may think this quiestion childish and immature but it is serious. Regarding short songs like tourturettes being 30-45 seconds sometimes and that also being the maximum wav or RA amount, what is geffens view on those? None at all or full song?

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<grud> internet release sucks. I like the attractive pics and all that that comes with the cd and the cd art

<grud> it's more official

<danny> Did Courtney Dave Krist ever heard about this???

<Newaveboy> LP art is bigga and betta

<JGriffin> Please, no full songs, even short ones.

<Slippyboy> I agree, grud.

<JimBliss> there are up sides to internet release, and the same with CDs, etc...

<Stoney420> yes. i believe an internet release would be a HUGE mistake on geffens part.

<Onno> Why is Geffen even interested in an Internet release? Isn't that very limited?

<NiMBuS> SLIPPYBOY: would you be so kind as to send me a copy of this,i just lost all the stuff had...

<Stoney420> If i had a CD-R i might think differently about internet releases.

<Slippyboy> This should get Jim going, Onno....hehehe

<Prozac> I'd think so. I know *I'd* rather go out and get a CD.

<JimBliss> it'll be the future sooner or later I bet, internet releases

<JGriffin> Do you believe an internet release where you could burn your own CD/DAT/tape etc. would be a bad idea?

<danny> And not profitable

<JGriffin> What id you could go to your local Kinko's and pick up any unreleased Nirvana track?

<grud> but my mom's getting rid of the internet and i'm a huge fan so how am i suppose to get get the internet release?

<Slippyboy> NuMBuS: I will post this entire log to a web page.

<stark1d> if you dont have to pay for it such a thing is a good idea

<JGriffin> And walk away with it on CD?

<Newaveboy> Griffin: that caters to the more rich among us, I think a solely internet release would be a bad idea.

<NiMBuS> SLIPPYBOY: Thanks, really

<dperle> In 1997/98, how many people do you think have the means to burn their own CDs from 'net releases???

<Stoney420> not many.

<grud> i'm not gonna have the internet in a week from now

<Stoney420> id bet on that.

<Onno> Yes, because it would encourage people to copy it for other people who don't have a net connection

<Urnone> anne!

<Urnone> =)

<rkatson> so is there going to actually be a net release? of what?

<Prozac> My drummer. Ain't I lucky.

<JGriffin> Someone here mentioned breaking songs up into 30 second clips and reassembling them, and that raises another topic ...

<OpinionS> what if i have 8 30 second clips of a song? does that count as being a whole song?

<Newaveboy> but there would stil lbe the hiss from all the electronics on teh cds. it wouldnt be "perfect"

<stark1d> i doubt many people have a cd-writable

<danny> where's anne?

<Kirby> not many

<OpinionS> grud... why not?

<stark1d> urnone?

<JimBliss> CD-Rs are getting cheaper everyday.

<stark1d> sean!

<stark1d> :)

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<Urnone> hehe

<Urnone> i'll msg you

<Newaveboy> Griffin: that was me about breaking up songs

<danny> Anne?

<stark1d> jim: i meant the cd burner itself

<Onno> there are more people than you imagine with a cd-r... hint :)

<NiMBuS> $10 for 5 cd-r's at SAMS

<JimBliss> so did I mean that

<JGriffin> ... which is that generally we are not impressed by these elaborate attempts to evade the rules.

<OpinionS> JGriffin... it was also me about breaking up the songs...

<JGriffin> It only increases our determination and interest in the problem ...

<grud> my grades suck so my mom's getting rid of the internet so i guess i'm gonna miss out on the release unless my friend makes me a copy(just kiddin)

<eyesore> would the songs keep cd quality over the net?

<Newaveboy> Griffin: i was being solely hypothetical :)

<OpinionS> JGriffin... so wecouldnt do that?

<dperle> I don't think that "the future is here" yet...sell the damn CDs in the stores, that's what I say. =)

<rkatson> grud> shutup about losing hte net, we dont care

<Stoney420> Hey now, Griff didnt confirm an internet release...it was just a rumor i heard and brought up.

<Prozac> Power to ya, perle!

<JimBliss> Griffin is the Nirvana releases like 2000 year or early, later?

<Newaveboy> As long as there is a market for something there will always be the merchandise

<danny> Griffin>Bootlegs could B easyer U know we try as fans with the record company we love for sighning with our Fav Band so please try to..

<grud> store releases are much better

<stark1d> why would you do a net release and not sell cd's (which would only mean more profit for geffen)?

<JGriffin> ... when we talk theoretically about Internet releases -- and it is pure theory -- I am talking about music that is not released in stores.

<Newaveboy> get rid of the market by releasing this stuff, therefore no more problem

<{|mAtt|}> i dont wanna wait 30 years like the beatles anthology

<Manabatt> Griffin: Even though the logic of evading the rules may be wrong, the rules are not being broken, just bended, so would geffen make an effort to take ALL sound off of the band?

<JimBliss> Right I don't wanna wait that long, it sucked....

<Stoney420> it is theory. but i believe, as technology gets better, it will happen.

<elene> what about the quality??

<Slippyboy> highest quality, of course...

<danny> Nirvana is something like the ooposite of the Beatels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<JimBliss> Its not gonna happen soon I'm sure so could we drop the internet release?

<{|mAtt|}> whatever

<Prozac> At least it won't skip like In Utero's doing now... :(

<grud> great so my friends who don't have a computer will have to buy one along with a modem and a cdr for the int release

<Stoney420> i think Krist, Dave, Courtney and Geffen should just Dump the vaults...

<eyesore> would quality be as good as store bought cd quality

<JGriffin> The internet release is highly unlikely.

<Stoney420> that way EVERYONE can MOVE ON!

<Manabatt> Griffin: Even though the logic of evading the rules may be wrong, the rules are not being broken, just bended, so would geffen make an effort to take ALL sound off of the band?

<danny> Eyesore> no way!!

<{|mAtt|}> see

<dperle> Just giving my personal feedback re: the INternet release...

<JimBliss> Griffin, when do you think it'll be? like a guess a meant.

<Newaveboy> Griffin: Get Krist, Dave and Courtney to comment, please?!

<JGriffin> Manabatt: I don't get the point. Rephrase.

<Newaveboy> it will solve a lot

<grud> Does Dave even have a computer?

<eyesore> no way what danny?

<porcupine> perhaps krist is in this chatroom right now...

<NrvanaGrl> i dunno what cl has to do with it

<danny> --==4i'M_T00_C00l!1==--

<Prozac> I might go see the Foo Fighters next month. I'll go ask Dave. ;)

<And_reas> Griffin - what exactly is your position in Geffen?

<{|mAtt|}> Krist posted to a.m.n

<Stoney420> Thats what I was thinking chris...

<danny> Newe> i don't think they really care as much as we do!

<JGriffin> I am Geffen's Director of Technology.

<OpinionS> what us Krists email address?

<Manabatt> Griffin: Even though the logic of evading the rules may be wrong, the rules are not being broken, just bended, so would geffen make an effort to take ALL sound off of the band?

<Newaveboy> If they dont care then it will be easy for them to make a decision

<dperle> Please don't give out Krist's e-mail addresss...

<grud> Krist doesn't respond to e-mail anymore remember

<NrvanaGrl> really

<Stoney420> yes. please dont.

<{|mAtt|}> yes do

<JGriffin> We handle technology for Geffen: web sites, internal network, etc.

<NiMBuS> krist didnt post recently did he????

<{|mAtt|}> no

<JimBliss> Griffin besides internet release what else is being looked in too.

<JimBliss> ?

<OpinionS> what is the address though?

<danny> Newe>>> i hope so.... :)

<SamRuss> When did Krist post to a.m.n?

<dperle> The last time Krist posted (as far as we know) was with that whole Eddie Vedder/Rolling Stone deal...

<NiMBuS> ook...making sure i didnt miss anything

<dperle> Go to my links page to find the Krist posts. =)

<JGriffin> I am here to focus on our policy on web sites and so forth.

<stark1d> go to deevies page for anything :) hehe

<OpinionS> dperle... what is your address?

<Manabatt> what is your page

<Manabatt> Griffin: Even though the logic of evading the rules may be wrong, the rules are not being broken, just bended, so would geffen make an effort to take ALL sound off of the band?

<InHisHand> forget about krists email, Mr Griffin is taking time to talk to us, lets respect that!!!!

<OpinionS> what is Krists email address?

<JGriffin> I've taken these hours during my holiday vacation to inform you about what is and is not happening.

<JimBliss> Is the mini-disc gonna take over CDs, in your opinion?

<dperle> Yes, I'm sorry Jim. Let's discuss the policies...

<Kirby> if you don't know your not a true nirvana fan ;)

<SamRuss> I think you should handle the Gefen site better then, cause it's no good

<Slippyboy> I was waiting for Perle's page plug... :)

<JGriffin> Manabatt: All sound off the band? I don't get what you mean there ...

<{|mAtt|}> im sorry i missed this, is recordings of just kurt, beore nirvana allowed to be released

<Manabatt> Griffin: Even though the logic of evading the rules may be wrong, the rules are not being broken, just bended, so would geffen make an effort to take ALL sounds off of the band from the internet??

<And_reas> JGriffin - how many people in your staff are working with finding illegal Nirvana-sounds on the internet?

<Manabatt> Better?

<JGriffin> I think corporate rock sites suck, and always will.

<Newaveboy> Griffin: we all thank you, but please ask Krist dave and Courtney what they have to say that way people won't think its geffen's sole idea to shut this stuff down.

<OpinionS> dperle... what is your address?

<danny> Kirby>>> like that david don't posts his address 24 hours a day!!!

<JimBliss> I hear that Griffin

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<InHisHand> amen brother!

<porcupine> inhisfeet...bwahhahaha

<JimBliss> Will you talk about anything besides this?

<JGriffin> A Geffen site for an artist is not the point. We do it to educate ourselves, learn a bit, but we emphasize artists and fans making sites.

<porcupine> sorry, amn flashback

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<Slippyboy> hehehe

<one> h

<Stoney420> heheh. inhisfeet. Im living in a Utopia in Hell.

<Onno> thanks for a wonderful qoute jgriffin

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<JGriffin> Manabatt: We want to educate and enforce the notion that full-length songs must be controlled by artists. I don't see how we should try to get around that.

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<SamRuss> But your website doesn't have any information about yourselves..no adress, no email...

<Manabatt> But if geffen emphasizes fans making sites, then why does geffen discourage fans giving complete songs (maybe not all of the songs but maybe one song released by geffen in RA)?

<Onno> So why not put up a few links to the better pages on the geffen page

<Stoney420> i have 3 million dollars in a swiss bank account. could i convince you to change your mind, Griffin?

<Boddah> Griffin>Were there reall talking about it??

<Manabatt> Onno: One word Lawyers :(

<JimBliss> what's the deal with money?

<JimBliss> eheheheh

<JGriffin> Stoney: Money is not the point.

<JimBliss> right

<Boddah> Griffin>Were there reall talking about it??

<stark1d> money could hardly be a problem, the making of a cd is incredibly cheap nowadays

<Prozac> Money's always the point.

<And_reas> Griffin - Is Geffen against movie-clips on the internet?

<Stoney420> I know griff. I dont even have 3 dollars in a swiss bank account. much less one in the states.

<Manabatt> Onno: One word Lawyers :(

<Manabatt> But if geffen emphasizes fans making sites, then why does geffen discourage fans giving complete songs (maybe not all of the songs but maybe one song released by geffen in RA)?

<{|mAtt|}> what about realvideo, the same im guessing

<Boddah> Prozac you'r so smart

<JGriffin> SamRuss: We don't put an e-mail link there because we can't promise mail to that link will get where you want it to go and be answered.

<JGriffin> But I can tell you that everyone at geffen has an internet e-mail address.

<Prozac> Thank you. I try.

<InHisHand> most of the avi's and mov's are "official" MTV clips, so they must have gotten permission from Geffen, is that right?

<Stoney420> even David Geffen?

<dperle> What's Geffen's stand on tape-trading?

<JimBliss> What about the pics showing Kurt dead, I think this is wrong, along with the suicide note pic. Do these sites ever get in trouble, I've never heard of them getting in trouble

<Boddah> Prozac>> amaz me

<JimBliss> Death Cert. pics too

<Onno> what do you mean manabatt?

<Boddah> Dperle>>they hate it!!

<JimBliss> I think all of this is really lame to have on a site.

<dperle> They may hate tape-trading, but is it _illegal_?

<Manabatt> What are you talking about onno?

<grud> I think the death cert tshirt is wrong too

<Stoney420> not to mention un-original Jim.

<JimBliss> and that this would be in the interest of the band, not to have them on the net.

<And_reas> david.geffen(a)geffen.com

<Prozac> All of that stuff is in really bad taste.

<dperle> I think that death certificates are public records, and therefore are legal to put online. Rather tasteless, but legal. I may be wrong, though.

<Boddah> Dperle>>of course

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<Newaveboy> Yeah, what about tape trading legal/illegal??

<JGriffin> I'm surprised no one has written about the songs and used brief clips throughout the piece to illustrate their points.

<Boddah> Dperle>>of course

<Slippyboy> AHHHHHH!!!! (sorry, log will be incomplete for a few seconds! :P

<JGriffin> That would be quite nice. It can't add up to the whole song, but for someone to actually put some creative thought into their work would be welcome.

<Boddah> Dperle>>it's illegal

<JimBliss> Giffin what do you mean?

<porcupine> i can fill it, slippy

<SamRuss> thanx Mr. Griffin..Is it possible to send demo tapes to Geffen, or do you just pick out known artists?

<OpinionS> JGriffin: what is Krists email address in case i ever need it?

<Boddah> --==4i'M_T00_C00l!1==--

<JimBliss> I have put some trust me.

<JimBliss> a lot in fact

<JGriffin> I saw a quote from Man Ray that described all this for me: To create is divine, to reproduce is human.

<Newaveboy> Griffin: why don't we just record ourselves going "dundundun duh" over and over and making screeching noises for the guitar, would that be ok?

<{|mAtt|}> Jim, is there an email address we can email questions to you

<Boddah> Opinion>>> like his's gonna anwer you!!

<Slippyboy> thank you....Manabatt is also keeping a log for us.

<Slippyboy> :)

<dperle> Re: tape trading, I've heard totally conflicting stories about whether it's legal or not...some say "of course it's illegal," others say that it's perfectly legal assuming no money or other profit is involved...???

<grud> El-Bulge-O Silly Monkey El-Bulge_O

<Slippyboy> actually, I'll stop making the log. I have 2 hours of it already :)

<Boddah> --==4i'M_T00_C00l!1==--

<porcupine> it's a man ray kind of sky...show you what i can do with it..

<Manabatt> :)

<Onno> that's too bad, i really hoped there would be a copyright of sorts on it.

<JimBliss> I made the quality of the mp3s better then the bootleg, or taper show, isn't that an art it itself?

<porcupine> is that the right lyric?

<JGriffin> Anyone can e-mail me at griffin@geffen.com. And I do regularly reply.

<Stoney420> Radioactive Prostitute.

<porcupine> i forget

<JimBliss> I don't have the page anymore

<InHisHand> thank you Griff...

<OpinionS> is david.geffen@geffen.com David Geffens email address?

<JGriffin> Derivative art, Bliss, but yes, it's an art.

<static> hey Opinions

<Stoney420> Remix. art some say.

<JGriffin> David Geffen does not work at Geffen Records. Hasn't for years.

<static> in re: to Krist's email

<static> mail Roy Hamm at hamm@geffen.com

<JGriffin> He runs Dreamworks with his partners, and has an office there.

<Stoney420> personally, im a mixer also, so I would have to sight with JimBliss.

<static> he does PR shit, right Jim?

<static> he might have it

<Stoney420> cite? site? or sight?

<JGriffin> Roy Hamm is a very good publicist and can be reached at hamm@geffen.com

<porcupine> krist novoselic can be reached at bluerose93@aol.com

<Boddah> Stoney>site

<Slippyboy> hehehe

<Stoney420> dammit chris!

<OpinionS> Boddah: he might!

<porcupine> haw haw

<Stoney420> i told you not to tell anyone!

<Slippyboy> and Dave Grohl can be reached at Dave4816@aol.com!!!!!!!!! :P

<stark1d> hehehe :))

<porcupine> heheh

<Newaveboy> man there on AOL, i have lost some respect for them. :)

<Newaveboy> they;re i mean

<OpinionS> well what is Krists address anyway?

<Boddah> opinions>>> kurt might come back to life to riunite NIRVANA

<SamRuss> Mr. Griffin: Is it possible to send demo tapes to Geffen, or do you just pick out known artists?

<Stoney420> KristDogg@aol.com

<JimBliss> Send them to Jack Endino

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<JGriffin> Unsolicited demo tapes don't make much sense. Play live and we'll find you.

<Prozac> And John Lennon might come back to reunite the Beatles, and they can tour together!

<JimBliss> he'll listen to them

<OpinionS> who is Roy Hamm ?

<static> NirvanaBassist@aol.com = Krist's

<Boddah> Samruss> planing to be the next nirvana?

<Newaveboy> Griffin: do you feel anythnig has been solved here, besides the fact it is illegal to put up full released songs on web pages?

<Prozac> What if I'm playing live, in, say, Tokyo?

<static> Roy Hamm's a publicist

<JGriffin> And find good business people, like a lawyer or manager.

<static> try mailing him if you want email addresses

<Prozac> Don't think you'll find me up here.

<Slippyboy> SamRuss: Don't use this conference as a chance to promote your own band.

<Boddah> Prozac>> once again you amez me!!!

<JGriffin> I think we've addressed the lack of information about what we're doing.

<{|mAtt|}> i got a band, what should i do?

<JGriffin> I hope that helps.

<porcupine> Jack Endino will listen, but he can't get you signed

<Stoney420> if any band needs any managing or guitar tech support, and you will pay me, I will work.

<SamRuss> Boddah: No way..Just curious

<JimBliss> so, he has a good name I think

<dperle> JGriffin, could you please let us in on whether or not tape-trading is actually illegal?

<static> <SamRuss> Mr. Griffin: Is it possible to send demo tapes to Geffen, or do you just pick out known artists? <-----i doubt they accept unsolicited demos

<JGriffin> Tape trading is illegal.

<Mahavira> Will Geffen bring out Any NIRVANA ALBUMS

<Slippyboy> tape trading is illegal.

<Stoney420> or if you just need some guy to streak acroos the stage naked. Im your man.

<JimBliss> Griffen you said that address was in all albums?

<static> and even if they do, your band sucks

<Newaveboy> Griffin: Do you think this could be solved if you asked the other members of the band Nirvana what they thought should happen, or am I going in a circle requesting this?

<JGriffin> Unsolicited demos really don't make sense.

<grud> How bout we try to accomplish something here instead of rambling. It's not often you can talk to someone with geffen

<Boddah> opinions>> what?

<Stoney420> i think we've run out of questions.

<SamRuss> It was not to promote any band, it was a question to geffen...

<dperle> How about my collection of bootleg tapes? (Copies.) Am I breaking the law by _having_ them?

<static> your band sucks SamRuss

<And_reas> Who shut down Bliss Records? Geffen?

<Mahavira> Anyone Know about the VPRO sessions 1991 ?????????

<JimBliss> I want info on unreleased Geffen stuff, but I never get any

<static> all bands from Sweden do, ha

<JimBliss> Nirvana did when they signed to a label

<porcupine> haw haw static

<Slippyboy> This is not the time to ask those questions.

<JGriffin> We never shut down Bliss Records. We simply asked Geocities about a number of full-length files on their servers.

<Newaveboy> Who here would honestly stoip tape trading if Krist, DAve and Courtney were against it?

<Slippyboy> Maybe there will be a conference about unreleased material at a later date

<Stoney420> but you INFLUENCED them, im sure.

<Boddah> Griffin>>> for how long R U planing to stay here???

<static> well i dont trade nirvana tapes, so, i guess i wouldnt

<Prozac> I would. Krist is one of the few people bigger than me.

<And_reas> JGriffin - does Geffen own the rights to those files?

<{|mAtt|}> i got a band, what should i do?

<Mahavira> Will Geffen bring out Any NIRVANA ALBUMS

<Mahavira> Anyone Know about the VPRO sessions 1991 ?????????

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<NiMBuS> i couldnt give a shit about what courtney thoought, but i would if dave & krist were against it

<JGriffin> We influenced Geocities not to distribute full-length content recorded or performed by Nirvana without permission.

<stark1d> maha: a few songs of vpro 1991 are available

<Slippyboy> {|mAtt|}: You should stop asking about it.

<dperle> You know, I said to Rob Holmes via e-mail a few weeks ago...I know that Kurt didn't want the public hearing the FM demo, but you know damn well that if he was in our shoes, he would try to get his hands on something like that...

<Boddah> Griffin>>> for how long R U planing to stay here???

<Stoney420> I agree NiMBus. Courtney can blow me.

<JGriffin> But that is a different story from shutting down Bliss Records or a website.

<JGriffin> It isn't necessary to operate a record company or a web site that you use our full-length songs without permission.

<OpinionS> what address is in all albums?

<static> just talk with Larry Smith, according to him his nephew Chad has a copy of FM

<NiMBuS> anyone for coffee <G>

<OpinionS> Boddah>> nevermind...

<Boddah> nimbuss> You should give a shit more to Courtney than to Dave!!!

<JimBliss> Bliss Records was only a web site, so what is the big deal?

<Newaveboy> Griffin: No its not if The band said it was ok, rare song sites like those would be included, its cheaper and safer since you cant be ripped off.

<And_reas> Griffin - but you don't have anything to do with the Fecal Matter Demo, am I right? Only Kurt Cobain does.. Why do you then make Geocities aware of those songs

<InHisHand> Mr Griffin: do you keep tabs with Krist, Dave, etc... I think I could speak on behalf of all nirvana fans by saying that anything you could say to those guys would be very helpful

<Prozac> Hey, if it was a Melvins demo, I can pretty well picture Kurt fighting for it.

<JGriffin> And Geocities and Tripod became angry when their bandwidth is parasitically used to remote stage content for others.

<Boddah> opinions>>> in utero

<NrvanaGrl> Very true Prozac

<static> the melvins blow

<JGriffin> Geffen's street address is on all albums, as is our web site address.

<outman> i gotta go

<Stoney420> Why would Kurt Fight for a Melvins demo when he could have just asked.

<JGriffin> My address is griffin@geffen.com

<static> what a bad band

<porcupine> look at the lengths kurt went to, just to get that Raincoats LP

<JimBliss> He asked the band.

<NrvanaGrl> It was a hypothetical thing.. saying that Kurt would fight for material for a band he liked.. which is absolutley true

<porcupine> hey, the raincoats stuff all came out on geffen! another band i like from their label

<Boddah> jgriffin>> for how long are you staying in this room?

<porcupine> he went to england and had to track a band member down!

<Boddah> jgriffin>> for how long are you staying in this room?

<OpinionS> it would depend if Geffen was planning on releasing a lot of rare stuff

<static> you dont know that for a fact

<static> so shut up

<JGriffin> I will depart in five minutes unless there is some need to stay.

<porcupine> let's ask another 5 times, Boddah

<static> unless you are kurt cobain, then dont say it's absolutely true

<Urnone> hahaha

<NrvanaGrl> and track down a rare record of there

<NrvanaGrl> thiers

<Onno> Why do lawyers not permit to put links up to private sites?

<JimBliss> I want info on the 94 sessions.

<Stoney420> who doesnt

<NiMBuS> krist should be here.... =(

<JGriffin> Links to sites with content that do not approve of are never approved. And there is much ...

<NrvanaGrl> static: I will say my opinion.. from what I know of Kurt.. that is absolutley true :)

<porcupine> JimBliss, I already told you...

<SamRuss> Yeah..the 94 sessions

<Boddah> jgriifin>> i'm sorry i asked if you'r leaving so soon....:)

<JGriffin> ... that runs afoul of the rules.

<JimBliss> guess I'm not getting even a little peice of info.

<porcupine> one song: You got no right

<static> hey when's Geffen gonna update their Sonic Youth page?

<Boddah> jgriifin>> i'm sorry i asked if you'r leaving so soon....:)

<porcupine> plus some of Krist and Dave's stuff

<Boddah> jgriifin>> i'm sorry i asked if you'r leaving so soon....:)

<Newaveboy> Griffin: will you speak to Krist, Dave and Courtney over this matter? Do you have a copy of the contracts they signed saying that you can make these kind of decisions for them?

* Manabatt reminds everyone that Jim Griffin is not God so he does not know everything that we ask him

<InHisHand> EPIC has a link from their Screaming trees site to Curt's site!!

<JimBliss> thanks alot Griffin

<Prozac> >>Stoney Good point, I'm just being hypothetical. Kurt would do the same for a band he loved as much as we love Nirvana.

<JGriffin> I hope our time here has been productive.

<static> <NrvanaGrl> static: I will say my opinion.. from what I know of Kurt.. that is absolutley true :)<---what you know of kurt = nothing

<JimBliss> for your time and everything.

<NrvanaGrl> Very true Prozac

<Boddah> jgriifin>> i'm sorry i asked if you'r leaving so soon....:)

<Boddah> --==4i'M_T00_C00l!1==--

<JGriffin> I have no contracts, and I am not making any decisions for them.

<NrvanaGrl> static: YOU have NO idea :)

<Stoney420> Krists WANTS to put nirvana behind him. But he wont be able to until Him and Geffin Clear the Vaults.

<{|mAtt|}> thanks jim

<static> did i say i did little tara?

<Slippyboy> Thank you, Jim for taking the time to come here and answer all of our questions...

<Stoney420> he'll always hear about it.

<static> i just said YOU dont

<Downerboy> Krist can't get Nirvana behind him

<Boddah> Nice talking

<static> so shut the hell up

<Tom_Davie> Griffin: thanks for showing up even if I feel that you didn't answer anything

<Boddah> Nice talking

<Newaveboy> Griffin: well then how can you condemn us for the rare song sites?

<NrvanaGrl> You have no idea who I am and what I know static

<JGriffin> I am trying to be nice and warn you before some other organizations get really tough with you and send the police.

<porcupine> On behalf of the entire channel, I would like to thank Mr. Griffin for coming here and putting up with us. I really think we all (for the most part) understand what is going on with Geffen and soundclips and hope we all come out of this happy.

<Downerboy> NIRVANA WAS A PART OF HIS LIFE

<NiMBuS> byebye JIM!!!!

<Stoney420> Yes, thank you Jim, for listening to a bunch of die-hard, nirvana idiots for and hour.

<Downerboy> IT"S WHAT GOT HIM FAMOUS

<Manabatt> Yes, Thank you Jim, this is very much appreciated from the fans of Nirvana and other Geffen bands

<SamRuss> Thanx Jim!

<JGriffin> These new laws will be brutal and we would hate to see it hurt any Nirvana fans.

<NrvanaGrl> Thanks Jim.. we appreciate it

<porcupine> he's been here longer than an hour!

<static> you're all very stupid, and i dont like you. except chris and jim

<Downerboy> Thanks JIM

<static> 4snarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnarfsnar

<Mahavira> yeah,THANKS JIM

<Downerboy> CAN I WORK AT GEFFEN

<Downerboy> I LIVE IN LA

<Slippyboy> actually, close to 3 hours!

<Prozac> See ya Jim, this was pretty damn cool of you.

<NiMBuS> JGRIFFIN:::=- im really glad you came & talked to us about this!!!

<NrvanaGrl> that shows static's intelligence level

<Stoney420> any time is good.

<Newaveboy> ex-post facto Mr Griffin

<Slippyboy> hey, what about me, static?

<Slippyboy> hehehe

<NrvanaGrl> Take care Jim

<Newaveboy> wont hurt me if i do it all now

<NrvanaGrl> as I said

<NiMBuS> YEAH!! where can we apply to work at geffen??

<Prozac> NrvanaGrl>> Or lack thereof.

<porcupine> oh god...

<InHisHand> Thank you very much Jim...for taking time out of your holiday schedule to address our issues.

<Onno> JGriffin: Why do lawyers not allow you to put links up to other privately held pages?

<porcupine> Amen.

<Newaveboy> Thank you Mr Griffin

<JGriffin> We really like interns (whom we pay) who can get college credit for their work with us.

<{|mAtt|}> can i send you a demo tape?

<Boddah> stoney>> iguess we are

<Manabatt> Anyone wishing for a full log of this conversation e-mail me at Manabatt@hotmail.com

<Slippyboy> See? I told you he asked me! hehehe

<JimBliss> NrvanaGrl I wouldn't mind talking to you some time, is your e-mail on opinion?

<Stoney420> Im gonna establish a server and allow people to put up songs.

<JimBliss> and do you go on IRC a lot?

<VCV-Wrkn> Away! [ Working :( ] [Time/7h 1m] [Log/On] [Page/Off]

<NiMBuS> MANBATT:::==--thanks!!!

<Stoney420> unless some major label a&r guy threatens to sue...

<JGriffin> Onno: Many restrictive rules on content: Bootlegs, tabs, copyrighted materials. They see links as little endorsements and don't make them if they can't control its use.

<Slippyboy> Well, Stoney...if you do that, then don't say you weren't warned when the cops come.

<NrvanaGrl> Yes it is Jim Please feel free and write

<dperle> Any intern positions in south florida? I didn't think so. =)

<{|mAtt|}> Jim: can i send you a demo tape?

<OpinionS> GRIFFIN: thanks for sharing your afternoon, now i will go construct a Nirvana site WITHOUT breaking ANY rules!!

<Stoney420> Dont worry about me. Ive handled the cops before.

<Boddah> she has a moist avgina

*** Slippyboy sets mode: +o SVirone

<OpinionS> MAY NIRVANA LIVE ON!!!!!!!!!!!

<Stoney420> its not like im smart enuf to even know exactly what goes into establishing a server.

<Newaveboy> whats an avgina??

<Slippyboy> why not, huh?

<JGriffin> Bye all ...

<Manabatt> Bye

<JimBliss> NrvanaGrl are what IRC channels are you on usally?

*** Boddah is now known as Krist_Nov

<Krist_Nov> --==4i'M_T00_C00l!1==--

<Newaveboy> Later Jim

<grud> seeya jgriffin

<rkatson> Bye Jim

<InHisHand> thanx

<OpinionS> NIRVANA RULED, RULES AND ALWAYS WILL RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<Prozac> You're too stupid!

<Krist_Nov> m,

<NirvClub> See ya Jim

<JGriffin> ... thanks for having me and engaging such an intelligent discussion.

<porcupine> Thanks for coming, Jim

<JimBliss> thanks man Giffin

<NiMBuS> BYEBYEBYEBYEBYEBYEYBEY JIMMMMMM!!!!

<SamRuss> Bye Jim!

<rkatson> thank you for your time

<Slippyboy> Goodbye, Jim. Thank you.

*** Krist_Nov is now known as boddah

<InHisHand> I love you, MAN!

<Urnone> bye

<J_Slade> Yes. Thank you Mr. Griffin for taking the time to listen to us whine. It really shows which record companies care about the fans.

<grungechi> hey krist

<Prozac> Peace, Jim. May the force be with you.

<Newaveboy> JIm Griffin Talk To KRist Dave and Curtney!!!

<boddah> jimmy bye

<porcupine> What was Jim's AOL address again?

<Stoney420> now we have a room full of a.m.n. regulars.

<And_reas> b.y.e.

<stark1d> ana moi enepe

<NiMBuS> w0w weve been here an hour & 15minutes...

<{|mAtt|}> will a log of this be posted to a.m.n?

<JGriffin> JSlade: Clean up that Tripod site ... <smile> No full-length songs!

<OpinionS> thanks again Jim!

<boddah> peace love emphathy jim

<porcupine> ha! I've been here since 1 o'clock pacific time...

<NiMBuS> pllllllease do not post this to amn!!!! it would be toooo big!

<dperle> I say that Dave (slippyboy) posts the log...this way we won't have a million people posting the damn thing...

<Manabatt> I've been here before that porcupine

<J_Slade> JGriffin: Will do! Au revoir!

<porcupine> griffin727@aol.com...something like taht?

<Prozac> You will hear about my band soon Jim... very soon... (grin)

<Urnone> 747

<OpinionS> later Jim!

<Kirby> bye jim

<Slippyboy> I'll post it to a web page and constantly advertise it on a.m.n

<boddah> it's 2:00 here at my country!!!

<Urnone> griffin747

<porcupine> 747?

<NiMBuS> guess its all over now

<porcupine> thanks, urnone

<Urnone> not 727

<OpinionS> you rule Jim

<dperle> That's cool, Dave.

<Urnone> np

<Prozac> It's 8:45 in the morning here.

<grungechi> damn, i missed it... : (

<Manabatt> Anyone wishing for a full log of this conversation e-mail me at Manabatt@hotmail.com

<Mahavira> 0:48 am

<NiMBuS> DAMN!! its 5:45 Pm here

<porcupine> Well, that was thoroughly entertaining

<Urnone> its only the Instant messanger if I remember correctly porcupine

<elene> the same here, Mahavira

<Slippyboy> Well, I hope everyone understands what is going on now...

<boddah> Israel is a louzy place to live in!!!!!

<{|mAtt|}> im gonna email him some RA files o my band wether he wants em or not

<stark1d> 0:48 am

<Stoney420> same here NimBus

<boddah> Israel is a louzy place to live in!!!!!

<Kirby> interesting

<Downerboy> it's 350 here

<Newaveboy> Yes you can see Jim evade all the important questions tactfully!

<Slippyboy> I'm glad everyone came and had the opertunity to talk with Jim

<porcupine> oh, arlight urnone

<porcupine> it's 3:50 here, too

<Prozac> 8:45 Monday morning. And I am tired, I got up early just for you guys. ;)

<Manabatt> No, you can see jim evade all of the stupid and pointless quiestions

<Stoney420> i do wish we could have gotten some more straight ahead answers.

<dperle> Thanks for setting this all up, Dave.

<OpinionS> ive been here for 5 hours and 46 minutes straight!

<Urnone> jgriffin is nice he said he'd send me the bhg cd I have searched for like forever

<boddah> prozac>>> where from???

<Urnone> i hope i get it

<Stoney420> but, at least we got somethin.

<porcupine> bhg?

<Slippyboy> no problem...thanx to Onno for spreading the word on the HSMB and DSML

<OpinionS> it is Griffin747@aol.com

<Prozac> boddah>> Japan.

<Urnone> worth a try

<Mahavira> BHG ?

<NiMBuS> whats bhg?

<Newaveboy> manabatt: he never once answered my question about talking to the rest of the band, i asked it about 5 times.

<OpinionS> or griffin@geffen.com

<boddah> wow

<Urnone> a band you guys prolly don't like

<SADSnaggY> bye Jim, take care

<Urnone> =P

<NiMBuS> ooooh

<Prozac> Black Hole... um... nevermind.

<boddah> prozac>> my bro lives in japan

<{|mAtt|}> he gone dude

<Manabatt> Thats because he won't ask them anyways, that is a stupid quiestion in my view

<Kirby> where are you?

<OpinionS> it is 6:47 PM here

<porcupine> is that an abbreviation for something?

<grud> If only we could've got answers about the music

<Stoney420> who the fuck brought up GnR earlier?

<boddah> --==4i'M_T00_C00l!1==--

<Prozac> Kill GnR!

<porcupine> How many of you are from alt.music.nirvana?

<Urnone> g&r sucks!

<Newaveboy> guess whats gonna be the #1 video of the 90's

<Onno> say what anne?

<NiMBuS> i ma

<Slippyboy> Well, I gurantee there will be another conference at a later date...

<NiMBuS> i am...that is

<dperle> Enough with the gn'r....jeezzz....

<Stoney420> Im from A.M.N and HSMB

<Kirby> wow

<Prozac> Me!

<Kirby> how long are we all going to stay in here?

<NiMBuS> SLTS

<Downerboy> SLTS

<grud> My name's UserNameHere in alt.music.nirvana

<elene> I am

<J_Slade> I frequen a.m.n.

<dperle> Well,hell, talk about whatever you want...the main chat is over...

<OpinionS> Manabatt.. can you send the log to vegas@ccrtc.com please?

<boddah> --==4i'M_T00_C00l!1==--

<stark1d> onno? [0:55] <Onno> say what anne?

<Stoney420> but I usually go by Stoney4429

<boddah> Moist Vagina

<boddah> Moist Vagina

<boddah> Moist Vagina

<Downerboy> I'm always on AMN

<Manabatt> If you e-mail me

<boddah> Moist Vagina

<Prozac> SLTS, of course. The only reason I watch those countdowns.

<OpinionS> i just have HSMB

<NiMBuS> im nimbus in alt.music.nirvana

<Urnone> I am on alt.music.nirvana

<Downerboy> I'm ON AMN AS DOWNERBOY

<dperle> Hey, I'm from a.m.n....I know that no one recognizes me...=)

<{|mAtt|}> someone make suer to inform everyone on HSMB i this happens again

<J_Slade> frequen = frequent

<Kirby> I am but I never post I Just Read!

* porcupine has been known to post occasionally on alt.music.nirvana

<Onno> If anyone has a full log I could also post it within 5 minutes on Love Buzz...

<OpinionS> how do i get a.m.n. ?

<Slippyboy> Okay...i got a question for people out there.

<grud> How the hell do you put your name at the top in alt.music.nirvana. My computer doesn't let me

<Manabatt> I have the full log

<Newaveboy> Manabatt: since he never said for sure if he and Geffen had the rights to request those songs be removed, the only ones who can say for sure is the band. You can either specualte what geffen may or may not so, or you can go to the source and see how they feel, i dont like beating around the bush

<boddah> Bye everybody!!!!!!!!

<Slippyboy> Does anyone know what "El-Bulge-O" actually means?

<Downerboy> David Perle is a god, need I say more. He revived Mexican Seafood!

<Prozac> I hardly ever post, though, but I read all of it. Even the dumb posts. ;)

<Kirby> we all know you david ;)

<porcupine> i know where it's from

<boddah> Bye everybody!!!!!!!!

<Slippyboy> hehehe

<{|mAtt|}> Onno i there is another one put a not at the top o the list

<Stoney420> No, I dont Slippy.

<Onno> yeah he's very good at evading your point

<delve> Slippy-does it have anything to do w/Weezer?

<grud> radioactive prostitute!!!!!!!!!!

<Stoney420> or weed?

<OpinionS> and also a log to oskar_svensson@hotmail.com

<Slippyboy> hell no...i hope not!

<SADSnaggY> fan vad trött jag e

<J_Slade> Opinions: type "news:alt.music.nirvana" without the quotations.

<Downerboy> EL ZORCHO!

<porcupine> drum skin doodles

<dperle> Oh, if anyone is still waiting for my page address, go to http://www.netcom.com/~dperle

<J_Slade> I bet nobody can guess what my amn name is? ;)

<dperle> ...~dperle/nirvana

<{|mAtt|}> someone please let me know where i can get a log when one is posted (mlas@bucknell.edu)

<grud> Is the Very Ape's Sound Page still up?

<Stoney420> thats a tough one, Justin

<delve> sorry-i just though there might be some el scorcho connection

<porcupine> and of course, my fabulous one of a kind web page can be found here: http://www.oocities.org/SunsetStrip/Towers/8712/kurtseq.html

<Manabatt> IF YOU WANT A LOG E-MAIL ME AT Manabatt@hotmail.com or Manabatt@rocketmail.com I will not just send it to people over inderect quiestions, it is to bothersome and I don't have all day

<Prozac> I'll bet nobody can guess mine either... ;)

<dperle> I didn't want to post it before 'cause...I just didn't feel right about it...didn't think it was appropriate.

<OpinionS> Manabbat can you send a log to vegas@ccrtc.com and also to oskar_svensson@hotmail.com

<porcupine> it's that crazy justin slade guy

<Kirby> Plug Plug Plug!!!!

<OpinionS> Manabbat: can you send a log to vegas@ccrtc.com and also to oskar_svensson@hotmail.com

<Stoney420> And my page can be found No Where, cause im a lazy little bastard.

<grud> Haywood Jablowmee is insane

<{|mAtt|}> manabatt could you sewnd me one mlas@bucknell.edu

<VCV-Wrkn> Away! [ Working :( ] [Time/7h 11m] [Log/On] [Page/Off]

<Onno> HSMB rocks

<Onno> :)

<Stoney420> Haywood is just plain dumb. He didnt even know what 'Smogging' a car was.

<Prozac> My band's page is www.angelfire.com/wi/JDMBand. We suck though.

<Slippyboy> I know who Haywood is....hehehe

<Manabatt> IF YOU WANT A LOG E-MAIL ME AT Manabatt@hotmail.com or Manabatt@rocketmail.com I will not just send it to people over inderect quiestions, it is to bothersome and I don't have all day

<InHisHand> hell yea onno!

<NiMBuS> haywood is obsessed with sucking cock

<Slippyboy> I also know who InHisFeet is!

<SADSnaggY> I´m from the alt.music.nirvana

<Slippyboy> :P

<Prozac> Haywood's the first homophobic gay guy I've ever seen.

<J_Slade> crazy? only on thursdays!

<stark1d> ONNO you are lagged - en niet zon beetje ook

<grud> I saw haywood in a traci lords newsgroup

<dperle> Haywood is some stupid geek who is provoked WAY too much, in my opinion.

<delve> i thought inhisfeet was chris lawrence, maybe not though

<porcupine> nope, there's 2 haywoods

<{|mAtt|}> bye everybody

<grud> The other one goes by Heywood Jablowmie

*** Mahavira is now known as MahaSHIT

<porcupine> Heywood and Haywood...one of 'em is some wacky binary guy and the other is the amn guy

<porcupine> chris lawrence is suck a loser

<porcupine> what a dickhead

<porcupine> such

<delve> hey, c'mon

<J_Slade> I think I know who InHisFeet really is... I have a vague idea at least..

<Slippyboy> uhm...everyone knows it's you....give it up!

<Stoney420> yeah. his page blows! i hope he's not here...

<Prozac> So how's everyone today/tonight/whatever?

<porcupine> no no no ... no one knows who i am

<Kirby> fine!

<porcupine> i am thomas morgan

<porcupine> delve, what's yr e-mail address/

<porcupine> ??

<Slippyboy> ahhh. then why are you an op?

<Downerboy> Hey Chris Lawrence is cool!

<Stoney420> is Morgan here?

<delve> on chris lawrence's isp?

<Manabatt> My uin is 3372176 if you want to message me over ICQ

<Kirby> it's almost 6 PM in minnesota

<mace> hey all

<Downerboy> I was talking to him yesterday, and he was cool

<porcupine> chris lawrence is god

<Downerboy> He was downright awesome

<dperle> Well, I'm getting ready to explode, as I said to porcupine earlier. I'll be right back...on my way to the bathroom. =)

<J_Slade> Yeah. Chris Lawrence... sheesh! Talk about pathetic! =) (just kiddin')

<Downerboy> lol

<Slippyboy> i see your islandnet server!!! you cna't hide it!

<Slippyboy> :P

<porcupine> heheh

<Onno> matt: what are you talking about?

<porcupine> sshhhh...

<Onno> oh I want to plug too

<Onno> HSMB : http://www.wildkarrde.demon.co.uk/hsmb/

<grud> So who plays guitar in here?

<Stoney420> I do.

<porcupine> i do

<Prozac> Me! And drums.

<Downerboy> I do

<grud> I do

<Stoney420> the question should be...WHO DOESNT?

<Slippyboy> Thanx, Onno for my use of the HSMB subscribers list!

<grud> Yeah

<Downerboy> <---------Has a Jag-Stang

<Kirby> i do

<porcupine> i'm a guitar god...i can play teen spirit

<porcupine> haw haw

<NiMBuS> i do

<mace> he he

<Stoney420> I have a Cheep Duo-Sonic.

*** porcupine is now known as CLawrence

<Stoney420> god its awful.

<CLawrence> hey, I copied Shane

<NiMBuS> downerboy ::::::: THERES NO WAY!!

<Kirby> i can play drums too

<grud> It took me a while to be able to play the rythm to teen spirit

<CLawrence> drums are simple

<Prozac> <--- Has a crappy cheap Squier Strat. My friend/bandmate has a Mustang though.

* Slippyboy slaps CLawrence around a bit with a large trout

<mace> i play drums

<grud> I have a hard time with swap meet on guitar

*** delve is now known as rstanley

<NiMBuS> i have a les paul & an SG

<CLawrence> ouch

*** MahaSHIT is now known as Mahavira

<Downerboy> HEY IT"S CHRIS LAWRENCE

<J_Slade> I can't play the geetar

<dperle> Okay, I'm back. But I just realized that it's past sundown and I haven't lit the Chanukah candles. =)

<Stoney420> Really ryan stanley ?

<CLawrence> Hey grud, go: http://www.oocities.org/SunsetStrip/Stage/1993/scratch.html and learn how to play Swap Meet PROPERLY

<Stoney420> Yes, i must say that page rules.

<stark1d> my bed is looking awfully attractive at 1 am :))

<Slippyboy> hey! tabs are illegal!

<J_Slade> Chris: Nothing like shameless self promotion, huh? =)

*** CLawrence is now known as BJablonsk

<grud> Your page kicks ass Chris

<rstanley> yup, did i mention that i have everything you dont?

<Slippyboy> it's only 7:00 here....

<BJablonsk> aw...it doesn't fit

<NiMBuS> I really would like to thank bliss records for the christmas present, im glad i got all the tab <G>

<BJablonsk> thank you

<Onno> i am guitargod

<Onno> not

*** BJablonsk is now known as CLawrence

<Stoney420> Bruce Jablinski!!

<Stoney420> Jablonski

<SVirone> WOW!!!!!!! I have a "@" beside my name!!!!!

<Stoney420> oops

<Prozac> Did he say that tabs were illegal?

<grud> Are you ever gonna add the solo to the unknown song like you said you would?

<Slippyboy> Anyway, I'm gonna head out soon.

<Slippyboy> Thank you all for cumming!

<Onno> Yeah for this once only s-boy

<NrvanaGrl> hehehe

<Stoney420> no problem slippy, you fucking aoler!

<DruMa> dammi8t

<DruMa> I missed the meeting

<Slippyboy> same to you!

<grud> Slippyboy: Aren't you the guy who used to say that you were dave grohl?

<CLawrence> Justin: there's NOTHING like shameless self-promotion...read all about it right here: http://www.oocities.org/SunsetStrip/Towers/8712/kurtseq.html

<SVirone> Chris-when is your page going to be updated?

<DruMa> CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME THE HIGHLIGHTS?????

<Stoney420> good question.

<Slippyboy> okay...I'm leaving. Chris is in charge now.

<CLawrence> oh...that damn solo...i forgot all about it

<Slippyboy> C'YA!!!!

<CLawrence> holy shit shane, that tape is crazy!! it's managed to elude you completely, eh?

<CLawrence> seeya dave!

<J_Slade> heh heh

<NiMBuS> anyone have the KAOS show in MP3 FORMAT?!?!?!?!?!?

<Downerboy> WHY CAN"T I BE IN CHARGE?

<SVirone> When did you send it, Chris?

<Downerboy> I WANNA WANNA BE YOUR DOG

<CLawrence> I would like to state to this channel now that I am going to send Shane his tape on Monday and you can all be witnesses

<grud> What is that determined song that was on the newsgroup all about?

<CLawrence> I sent it a while back but it should be there by now

<Downerboy> yeah

<dperle> All right guys, I've gotta go...I'm not disconnecting though...this way I can see if anyone talks about me. Not that I care, of course...just want to see what you say. =) later,

<DruMa> DID ANYONE SAVE THE ENTIRE BUFFER???????????????

<SVirone> Chris is a bad trader!!

<Stoney420> ive heard about determined in the past...anyone wanna clear that up?

<DruMa> I MISSED THE MEETING

<CLawrence> What page did you want updated, Shane?

<Stoney420> also 'Maiden circle' anyone wanna clear that up?

<CLawrence> haw haw shane

<DruMa> DID ANYONE SAVE THE ENTIRE CHAT???

<DruMa> DID ANYONE SAVE THE ENTIRE CHAT???

<DruMa> DID ANYONE SAVE THE ENTIRE CHAT???

<DruMa> DID ANYONE SAVE THE ENTIRE CHAT???

<DruMa> DID ANYONE SAVE THE ENTIRE CHAT???

<SVirone> Your tabs.

<DruMa> DID ANYONE SAVE THE ENTIRE CHAT???

<DruMa> DID ANYONE SAVE THE ENTIRE CHAT???

<DruMa> DID ANYONE SAVE THE ENTIRE CHAT???

<CLawrence> Maiden Circle is bullspit

<stark1d> yes druma

<Manabatt> I did you stupid shit

<stark1d> now shut up pls

<SVirone> What the fuck is "Maiden Circle"

<Stoney420> as i figured, chirs.

<mace> I CAN MAKE A LOG OF THIS IF YOU WANt

<Manabatt> And your getting annoying

<Stoney420> never heard it.

<rstanley> what do you mean? I have it

<DruMa> yes please!!

<Manabatt> I already have the complete log from before he came to after

<Manabatt> My uin is 3372176 if you want to message me over ICQ

<Manabatt> IF YOU WANT A LOG E-MAIL ME AT Manabatt@hotmail.com or Manabatt@rocketmail.com I will not just send it to people over inderect quiestions, it is to bothersome and I don't have all day

<mace> ok will do

<DruMa> Someone send me a text file or something of the entire chat!!!

<Stoney420> if its bullshit, rstanley's got it!

<CLawrence> The tabs page will be updated...when...i feel like it. I'm working on my sonic youth concert chronology more now

*** J_Slade is now known as JBetz

<SamRuss> MAnabatt saved it all

<grud> I wish we could talk to kurt about the music but obsiouly that aint gonna happen

<Onno> it was our pleasure nimbus

<rstanley> but i really mean it this time!

*** Stoney420 is now known as Nirvan442

<mace> that would be cool

<Onno> I wanna kick someone ;)

*** Downerboy is now known as Downerpee

<stark1d> kick me

<Nirvan442> kickin it old school.

<stark1d> i couldnt care less

<CLawrence> WHOEVER JUST /MSGED ME, I ACCIDENTALLY CLOSED THE WINDOW. PLEASE SEND IT AGAIN.

<stark1d> :)

<Downerpee> Yeah, I'm downerpee

*** Nirvan442 is now known as Stone

<CLawrence> any songs you people wanna see on that tabs page?

<VCV-Wrkn> Away! [ Working :( ] [Time/7h 21m] [Log/On] [Page/Off]

*** JBetz is now known as Justin_S

<grud> That Why not like Bush?Read thread traumatized me. Who started it?

<NiMBuS> MY uin is 5994971 if anyone wants to talk....

<rstanley> midnight macaroni

<Mahavira> Chris:What's the best Sonic youth album ?

<Stone> I started Grud...I sincerely apologize

<JimBliss> Hi Shane

<grud> that got out of hand

<Virone> I'm back.

<Stone> I didnt think it would be that huge, but there was someone on HSMB that wrote this huge article.

<Stone> I thought it was great so I posted it.

<Mahavira> Chris:What's the best Sonic youth album ?

<Stone> and it kept going...and going...and going.

<CLawrence> Um...Best SY album...Dirty if you like nirvana, Sister if you don't know what you like

<Virone> Chris, did you remember to put 4/2/90 on the tape too?

<CLawrence> they're all amazing

<mace> mine is 2883885 if you want to talk

<Stone> I even pleaded for people to stop the thread.

<Kirby> so is anyone talking?

<grud> Well thank god it's over

<CLawrence> Yes, I did, Shane

<Virone> GRRRRREAT.

<Mahavira> I've got GOO,SISTER AND Screaming fields of Sonic love

<grud> That spice girls one is getting out of hand too

<CLawrence> Every sonic youth album is amazing, but I suggest Dirty or even Washing machine if you are a nirvana fan