Archive-Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:50:45 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:50:24 -0600 From: Sandi Humphrey-E10220 Reply-To: Sandi Humphrey-E10220 Subject: To: viewing_stones@triumf.ca Message-ID: <"Macintosh */PRMD=MOT/ADMD=MOT/C=US/"@MHS> subscribe ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:47:04 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:46:06 -0600 From: Sandi Humphrey-E10220 Reply-To: Sandi Humphrey-E10220 Subject: subscribe To: viewing_stones@triumf.ca Message-ID: <"Macintosh */PRMD=MOT/ADMD=MOT/C=US/"@MHS> subscribe ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:56:29 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:55:34 -0600 From: Sandi Humphrey-E10220 Reply-To: Sandi Humphrey-E10220 Subject: subscribe To: viewing_stones@triumf.ca Message-ID: <"Macintosh */PRMD=MOT/ADMD=MOT/C=US/"@MHS> subscribe ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:26:21 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca Message-ID: <34BA6230.A1F@mwt.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:34:24 +0000 From: Miekal And Reply-To: Miekal And MIME-Version: 1.0 To: viewing_stones@triumf.ca Subject: hole rocks References: <"Macintosh */PRMD=MOT/ADMD=MOT/C=US/"@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Been subscribed for a couple weeks & havent seen a message. I have just stumbled upon the idea of viewing stones even tho Ive been collecting rocks & making gardens with them for many years. Im wondering if hole rocks have any significance in suizeki? Living in the unglaciated north in wisconsin here, our main interest is collecting crystal rocks, with different colors of calcite crystals, & it always seems like the ones with holes in are the most desirable. Been doing installations by hanging them from the ceiling. Miekal And _____________________________________ Dreamtime Village http://www.net22.com/dreamtime/index.shtml QAZINGULAZA: And/Was/Wakest website: http://net22.com/qazingulaza/index.html email for DT & And/Was: dtv@mwt.net ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:45:02 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: "Chris Cochrane" Reply-To: "Chris Cochrane" To: "Miekal And" , Subject: Re: hole rocks Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:38:29 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd1fc3$f3140060$85f4accf@sashai.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Miekal. You write, >Been subscribed for a couple weeks & havent seen a message. I have just >stumbled upon the idea of viewing stones even tho Ive been collecting >rocks & making gardens with them for many years. Im wondering if hole >rocks have any significance in suizeki? In suiseki (the Japanese-style enthusiasts' form), rocks do should be "whole" to be fully appreciated as as-found objects which have a spirit of their own. As for "holes" in stones, they are especially sought in the Chinese-style enthusiasts' form known as Chinese Scholar Rocks. In both these art forms, stones are displayed on stands to show their attributes. For suiseki, seeing forms of nature through stones is sought whether portraying landscapes, objects or designs. For Chinese Scholar Rocks, seeing a mythological metaphor is often intended and a moral lesson may be sought, as well. The Chinese also concern themselves with the tones of their stones. You best try Craig Hunt's viewingstone web site and peruse hot links he has identified to learn more-- and to learn more accurately-- at http://www.triumf.ca/people/craig/viewingstones.htm . > ... Living in the unglaciated north >in wisconsin here, our main interest is collecting crystal rocks, with >different colors of calcite crystals, & it always seems like the ones >with holes in are the most desirable. Been doing installations by >hanging them from the ceiling. Beats Love Beads, I suppose... :-) Chris... C. Cochrane, mailto:sashai@erols.com, Richmond VA USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:05:24 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:04:47 -0800 (PST) From: Lynn boyd Reply-To: Lynn boyd To: Miekal And CC: viewing_stones@triumf.ca Subject: Re: hole rocks Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Miekal, Welcome to the list. And, yes it is very quiet now, but it has its moments. Good time to fire some questions if you have them and let some old-timers give you some tips and direction. There is a lot of material and learning to make suiseki or viewing-stones a richer art for you in the knowing. If you have not visited the webpages of some suiseki fanciers and collectors it is a way to go for a lot of in- formation and nice visual experiences. Use their e-mail link for sending them a question or knowledge of your visit. Start with our host, Craig Hunt's page, and he has the links listed to quite of few very active and very knowledgeable members of this list. You will notice if you are not already aware that suiseki or viewing stones as an art are usually selected not for the pretty look so much as for an underlying art relationship, ie., their resemblance to natural forms such as mountains, or their abstract qality which often has an historic philosophical meaning as in Chinese Scholars' rocks. Again, welcome, and things will liven up when the weather lets us out collecting again. Lynn boyd@peak.org Corvallis. OR Craig's URL htt://www.triumf.ca/people/craig/bonsai.htm On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Miekal And wrote: > Been subscribed for a couple weeks & havent seen a message. I have just > stumbled upon the idea of viewing stones even tho Ive been collecting > rocks & making gardens with them for many years. Im wondering if hole > rocks have any significance in suizeki? Living in the unglaciated north > in wisconsin here, our main interest is collecting crystal rocks, with > different colors of calcite crystals, & it always seems like the ones > with holes in are the most desirable. Been doing installations by > hanging them from the ceiling. > > Miekal And > _____________________________________ > Dreamtime Village > http://www.net22.com/dreamtime/index.shtml > > QAZINGULAZA: And/Was/Wakest website: > http://net22.com/qazingulaza/index.html > > email for DT & And/Was: dtv@mwt.net > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:26:16 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: "Craig J. Hunt" Reply-To: "Craig J. Hunt" To: "Lynn boyd" , "Miekal And" CC: Subject: Re: hole rocks Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:27:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lynn wrote; {snip} > If you have not visited the webpages of some suiseki > fanciers and collectors it is a way to go for a lot of in- > formation and nice visual experiences. Use their e-mail > link for sending them a question or knowledge of your visit. > Start with our host, Craig Hunt's page, and he has the > links listed to quite of few very active and very knowledgeable > members of this list. {snip} > Craig's URL htt://www.triumf.ca/people/craig/bonsai.htm The viewing stone page is at; http://www.triumf.ca/people/craig/viewingstones.htm Craig J. Hunt in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada http://www.triumf.ca/people/craig/craig.htm ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:23:53 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: "Garry Garcia" Reply-To: "Garry Garcia" To: "Lynn boyd" , "Miekal And" CC: Subject: Re: hole rocks Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:24:06 -0600 Message-ID: <01bd2154$4591e280$b6aa61ce@ggarcia.vvm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Miekal, Just my 2 cents. Lynn is very correct, at times the list is VERY quiet, but at other times it is very active. Anyway, I send you a warm welcome to the list, and am happy to have you aboard, as I am sure everyone else is. Yes sometimes the beauty (which has been discussed in many letter on the list) is the natural art, and not so much the glitter, or glamour of the rock/stone. Do not be confused by different names for Viewing Stones, they are sometimes referred to as Chinese Scholars Rocks, Viewing Stones, or Suiseki, there are some differences, but all relate to basically the same thing. As Lynn said, the sites will enlighten you quite a bit. Again, welcome to the list. ggg -----Original Message----- From: Lynn boyd To: Miekal And Cc: viewing_stones@triumf.ca Date: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 5:25 PM Subject: Re: hole rocks > Miekal, > Welcome to the list. And, yes it is very quiet now, but > it has its moments. Good time to fire some questions if you > have them and let some old-timers give you some tips and > direction. There is a lot of material and learning to make > suiseki or viewing-stones a richer art for you in the knowing. > If you have not visited the webpages of some suiseki > fanciers and collectors it is a way to go for a lot of in- > formation and nice visual experiences. Use their e-mail > link for sending them a question or knowledge of your visit. > Start with our host, Craig Hunt's page, and he has the > links listed to quite of few very active and very knowledgeable > members of this list. > You will notice if you are not already aware that suiseki > or viewing stones as an art are usually selected not for the > pretty look so much as for an underlying art relationship, ie., > their resemblance to natural forms such as mountains, or > their abstract qality which often has an historic philosophical > meaning as in Chinese Scholars' rocks. > Again, welcome, and things will liven up when the weather > lets us out collecting again. > Lynn > boyd@peak.org Corvallis. OR > > Craig's URL htt://www.triumf.ca/people/craig/bonsai.htm > > > >On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Miekal And wrote: > >> Been subscribed for a couple weeks & havent seen a message. I have just >> stumbled upon the idea of viewing stones even tho Ive been collecting >> rocks & making gardens with them for many years. Im wondering if hole >> rocks have any significance in suizeki? Living in the unglaciated north >> in wisconsin here, our main interest is collecting crystal rocks, with >> different colors of calcite crystals, & it always seems like the ones >> with holes in are the most desirable. Been doing installations by >> hanging them from the ceiling. >> >> Miekal And >> _____________________________________ >> Dreamtime Village >> http://www.net22.com/dreamtime/index.shtml >> >> QAZINGULAZA: And/Was/Wakest website: >> http://net22.com/qazingulaza/index.html >> >> email for DT & And/Was: dtv@mwt.net >> > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:55:29 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: "Craig J. Hunt" Reply-To: "Craig J. Hunt" To: Subject: Richard Rosenblum Collection of Chinese Scholars' Rocks Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:56:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang; The list has been quite quiet for a while now, so I thought I'd pass on a link that I just refound. Check out; http://www.artmuseums.harvard.edu/ExhibitionPages/PreviousExh/Worlds Within Worlds/Rocks1.html This is the; Worlds Within Worlds The Richard Rosenblum Collection of Chinese Scholars' Rocks exhibition that is touring the world, and has been mentioned a few times on this list. This is a long link, so if your mail program can't deal with it, you can get to it on my page at; http://www.triumf.ca/people/craig/viewingstones.htm Maybe someone should contact the museum to make sure they are going to keep it online this time. Enjoy! Craig J. Hunt in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada http://www.triumf.ca/people/craig/craig.htm ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:20:02 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: "Craig J. Hunt" Reply-To: "Craig J. Hunt" To: CC: Subject: Exploring the Magic Mountain: An Interview with Richard Rosenblum Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:21:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From; http://www.orientations.com.hk/homemar.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Exploring the Magic Mountain: An Interview with Richard Rosenblum Richard Rosenblum beside a Ying rock in his studio in Newton, Massachusetts by Valerie Doran. Black Lingbi stone censer in the form of three mountain peaks, on a Kangxi period Northern-style jichimu stand. Height 48.5 cm Richard Rosenblum Collection The American sculptor Richard Rosenblum has assembled one of the world's largest and most important collections of Chinese ornamental rocks. There is increasing interest in the West in these strangely shaped stones which have for many centuries been treasured by the Chinese literati and were until recently considered a somewhat esoteric art form. As a prelude to an exhibition of Rosenblum's collection at the Asia Society, Valerie Doran interviewed him in his studio in Newton, Massachusetts, where he discussed his interest in scholar's rocks from the perspective of an artist as well as a collector. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To view the pictures mentioned above, check out the link. I think a few people on the list subscribe to Orientations Magazine? Craig J. Hunt in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada http://www.triumf.ca/people/craig/craig.htm ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:31:44 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: "Craig J. Hunt" Reply-To: "Craig J. Hunt" To: Subject: Phoenix Arizona USA; Worlds Within Worlds: Rosenblum Collection of Chinese Scholars' Rocks Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:33:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang; This is what I was looking for..... Found at; http://www.azfamily.com/pmag/features/aug/artpreview_visualart.html {snip} PHOENIX ART MUSEUM 1625 N. Central Avenue, Phoenix, 257-1880 {snip} Worlds Within Worlds: The Richard Rosenblum Collection of Chinese Scholars' Rocks January 3-April 12 If anyone on the list is going to be in the area, the collection is very much worth seeing. I've seen it once in Seattle, and I want to see it again..... Maybe this Friday or next Friday.....? Craig J. Hunt in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada http://www.triumf.ca/people/craig/craig.htm ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:39:20 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: "Craig J. Hunt" Reply-To: "Craig J. Hunt" To: Subject: Another Richard Rosenblum collection page! Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:40:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi; Check out; http://www.artnet.com/magazine/features/mendelsohn/mendelsohn8-26-96.html If you can't get this link, it is on my viewing stone page. The pictures on this site are different than the Harvard site. Craig J. Hunt in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada http://www.triumf.ca/people/craig/craig.htm ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:26:58 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:26:19 -0600 (CST) From: jperry01@ix.netcom.com Reply-To: jperry01@ix.netcom.com To: viewing_stones@triumf.ca Message-ID: <1998121102559441@> Subject: trip suggestions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi all, i'm planning on taking a trip from las vegas to the san diego/tijuana area - can anyone recommend potential sites or interesting places along the way in the southern mojave desert? - i am then planning on travelling over to tucson via mexican route 2, interstate 8 or 10 to tucson - any suggestions? - i was considering the possibility of a stop in the phoenix art museum on the way back to las vegas after reading the last several messages - thanks for any suggestions -- John J. Perry P.O. Box 61197 Boulder City, NV 89006-1197 email: jperry01@ix.netcom.com jperry@nsn.k12.nv.us ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:15:04 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:14:39 -0600 (CST) From: jperry01@ix.netcom.com Reply-To: jperry01@ix.netcom.com To: Sandi_Humphrey-E10220@email.mot.com CC: viewing_stones@triumf.ca Message-ID: <199812117141046334@> Subject: RE: trip suggestions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 01/21/98 17:03:33 you wrote: > >... Red Rock canyon / Valley of Fire hi sandi, thanks for the suggestions - i moved to the las vegas area about six months ago and have already visited the red rocks and the valley of fire - i hope i don't offend but red sandstones just do not seem to excite me - even if there is indigenous art(?) scribed on them (petroglyphs) - for me, igneous (volcanic and not plutonic) and metamorphic terraines are more furtile areas for finding the elusive suiseki - shhhh! i heard them now - death valley is the place to visit if coming to las vegas! - igneous, sedimentary and metamorphics - it's got it all! the Nevada Test Site is also a great stop but NO samples - jp >John J. Perry >P.O. Box 61197 >Boulder City, NV >89006-1197 > >email: jperry01@ix.netcom.com > jperry@nsn.k12.nv.us ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:07:33 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: "Chris Cochrane" Reply-To: "Chris Cochrane" To: Subject: US National Arboretum presentation Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:31:59 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2aa1$d55d3a80$9df4accf@sashai.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Assistant Curator Dan Chiplis of the National Bonsai and Penjing Museum (within US National Arboretum Washington DC) had a turnout of about 40 people, yesterday, for a 90 minute lecture on suiseki. It was an event which should have been more widely heralded as Dan carefully introduced the basics of why a stone is considered collectible, suiseki classifications, tips for displaying in a dai and in a suiban, suggestions for carrying and separating stones from their dai et al.. The program was enhanced by Dan's sharing personal discoveries of stones varying tremendously in quality, which he presented with attractive humility. His personal collection includes beautiful suiseki collected in Japan at sites to which he was introduced by the Mr. Murata. Attendees were also lucky that Dan had at his disposal almost the entire North American Viewing Stone Collection and the Japanese US Bicentennial Gift Stones (both permanently housed at the Arboretum) as well as various other international stones that have been accepted at the Arboretum . A temporary exhibit of South American Viewing Stones is utilizing permanent stone exhibition space. He pulled stones out of dai that I was sure were carved... to show that they were cast & vice versa. The details of properly constructed dai were noted as well as details of exceptional artistry that normally would never be seen when the stone is mounted. Stones that I was sure were cut, turned out not to be... & their rarity rose in recognition of that. None of the Japanese US Bicentennial Gift Stones in landscape form are cut (if you see their incredibly evocative dimensions and nearly flat bottoms, that is amazing). Yugi Yoshimura reviewed each stone and decided the only Japanese gift stone that was bottom-cut was the "Noble Boat" object stone. Chuck Croft from Northern VA Bonsai Society took numerous pictures with his digital camera. If he is on-line, I hope he'll share them... :-) Chris... C. Cochrane, mailto:sashai@erols.com, Richmond VA USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:54:38 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca Message-ID: <199801270154.TAA12803@mailroom.iamerica.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:54:20 -0600 To: viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: Glen Miller Reply-To: Glen Miller Subject: Lecture MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Thanks Chris,
    I know I certainly wish I could have attended something along this line. Perhaps Dan Chiplis would consider posting his lecture on the Internet along with Photographs to support the data. Or even post to our Forum. I for one am thirsty for knowledge in regard to the stone and it's beauty. More so than the philosophy  surrounding it. I really don't have mush time to try to understand the entire immersion of the religion, or even the appreciation of it as an art object in the technical since. I am only on this Earth for a short time so I will pick my interest accordingly. More knowledge of the stone and a little knowledge of the spirit will suffice.
Reguards
Glen Miller  diamonds@iAmerica.net

"If you think it's expensive to deal with an expert,
try dealing with an amateur."

            Red Adair (famous oil well fire fighter) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:58:31 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: "Chris Cochrane" Reply-To: "Chris Cochrane" To: Subject: Re: Lecture Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:52:54 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2b5d$284c8be0$b73faccf@sashai.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01BD2B33.40CDD680" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BD2B33.40CDD680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Glenn. You write, =20 > I know I certainly wish I could have attended something along=20 > this line. Perhaps Dan Chiplis would consider posting his=20 > lecture on the Internet along with Photographs to support the > data. Or even post to our Forum.=20 =20 (Sorry I don't know how to take that line that my browser shows off = the left-hand side of this page-- anyone who does please email me... = :-)...) =20 =20 Dan is not a common on-line user. I could post some details, but = was separated from my notes last night at my workstation. Of course = much of what was said required visual aides to be useful. =20 > I for one am thirsty for knowledge in regard to the stone and > it's beauty. More so than the philosophy surrounding it. I=20 > really don't have mush time to try to understand the entire=20 > immersion of the religion, or even the appreciation of it as an=20 > art object in the technical since. I am only on this Earth for a=20 > short time so I will pick my interest accordingly. More=20 > knowledge of the stone and a little knowledge of the spirit will > suffice. =20 <...HEARTY CHUCKLING...> That you "don't have the time" sounds a = little deprecating of others' pursuits, but it is refreshingly honest = and understandable. I hear what you say about minute focus on religious = analogies and aesthetic hair-splitting. I used to feel the same way = when lurking on the aesthetics mail list. I often was turned-off by = those folks haughty terms and focus on the tiniest of details. Then, I = learned by just listening and now expectantly wait to see how the hairs = do split. Heck, I even sometimes write to myself to see if I've = captured a thread of thought-- isn't that pathetic. =20 On the other hand, I see stones can be a vehicle for pursuing = personal insight. That is their value for me... that, and an = opportunity for sharing life with people who I find very respectful of = life's offerings. =20 =20 I could probably find a similar-inclined group in a monastery, but I = "won't take the time" for living in a cell or with only other of = "brothers"... :-)... and, like you, I don't intend the least disrespect. = My choice probably seems strange to them. I'm guessing that most = suiseki enthusiasts on-line like the hair-splitting, but perhaps the = hair-splitters-- including me-- are a bunch of bullies forcing others to = quietly delete repeatedly pointless posts. In fact, I'm beginning to = see how Lynn Boyd, Peter Aradi et al. are taking advantage of others by = their incessant postings on arcane subjects; and I say, "I AM NOT GOING = TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!" =20 You sign-off with a Red Adair quotation, =20 >> If you think it's expensive to deal with an expert,=20 >> try dealing with an amateur." =20 Hey, I like & respect 'em both-- amateurs & professionals (other = than doctors & lawyers)... <...GRIN...> =20 Thanks for reminding me again of all the great things stone = appreciation supports, Glenn. =20 Another friend asked me, > How does one find out about these things (Dan's > presentation before they happen ? =20 I happened upon it when reviewing the Arboretum's website for = another reason. They have numerous programs including one upcoming on a = trip by Dan entitled "Bonsai Nursuries of Omiya." Perhaps someone will = cross-post that to the bonsai newsgroup! Here it is: =20 The Bonsai Nurseries of Omiya, Japan=20 Sunday, February 8, 1:30-2:30pm=20 Yoshimura Center, National Bonsai and Penjing Museum=20 =20 Travel to one of Japan's most famous "bonsai villages" with = horticulturist Dan Chiplis. This slide-illustrated journey through the = town that hosts dozens of bonsai nurseries provides an insider's view of = professional bonsai cultivation in Japan. See how a 1000-year-old = juniper is repotted. Registration required. * Maximum enrollment: 50. = Free. =20 * For events requiring registration, please call 202-245-4521 weekdays or weekends between 9am and = 4:30pm.=20 =20 P.S. I believe that if you just show-up, there is a good chance you = can see the event, but the Arboretum reasonably wants some idea so that = they are scheduled in a room that will accomodate participants within = code limitations. =20 =20 Chris... C. Cochrane, mailto:sashai@erols.com, Richmond VA USA =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BD2B33.40CDD680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Glenn.  You=20 write,
 
> I know I certainly wish I could have = attended=20 something along
> this line. Perhaps Dan Chiplis would consider posting his =
> lecture on the Internet along with Photographs to support=20 the
> data. Or even post to our Forum.
 
(Sorry I don't know how to take that line that my browser shows = off the=20 left-hand side of this page-- anyone who does please email me...=20 :-)...)  
 
Dan is not a common on-line user.  I could post some = details, but=20 was separated from my notes last night at my workstation.  Of = course=20 much of what was said required visual aides to be useful.
 
> I for one am thirsty for knowledge in regard to the stone=20 and
> it's beauty. More so than the philosophy  surrounding = it. I=20
> really don't have mush time to try to understand the = entire
> immersion of the religion, or even the appreciation of it = as an=20
> art object in the technical since. I am only on this Earth = for a=20
> short time so I will pick my interest accordingly. More =
> knowledge of the stone and a little knowledge of the = spirit=20 will
> suffice.
 
<...HEARTY CHUCKLING...>  That you "don't have = the=20 time" sounds a little deprecating of others'  pursuits, = but it is=20 refreshingly honest and understandable.  I hear what you say = about=20 minute focus on religious analogies and aesthetic = hair-splitting.  I=20 used to feel the same way when lurking on the aesthetics mail = list.  I=20 often was turned-off by those folks haughty terms and focus on the = tiniest=20 of details.  Then, I learned by just listening and now = expectantly wait=20 to see how the hairs do split.  Heck, I even sometimes write to = myself=20 to see if I've captured a thread of thought-- isn't that = pathetic.
 
On the other hand, I see stones can be a vehicle for pursuing = personal=20 insight.  That is their value for me... that, and an = opportunity for=20 sharing life with people who I find very respectful of life's=20 offerings. 
 
I could probably find a similar-inclined group in a monastery, = but I=20 "won't take the time" for living in a cell or with only = other of=20 "brothers"... :-)... and, like you, I don't intend the = least=20 disrespect.  My choice probably seems strange to them.  = I'm=20 guessing that most suiseki enthusiasts on-line like the = hair-splitting, but=20 perhaps the hair-splitters-- including me-- are a bunch of bullies = forcing=20 others to quietly delete repeatedly pointless posts.  In = fact, =20 I'm beginning to see how Lynn Boyd, Peter Aradi et al. are taking = advantage=20 of others by their incessant postings on arcane subjects; and I say, = "I=20 AM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!"
 
You sign-off with a Red = Adair=20 quotation, 
>> If = you think=20 it's expensive to deal with an expert,
>> try dealing with = an=20 amateur." 
 
Hey, I like & respect 'em both-- amateurs & = professionals=20 (other than doctors & lawyers)... <...GRIN...>
 
Thanks for reminding me again of all the great things stone=20 appreciation supports, Glenn.
 
Another friend asked me,
> How does one find out about these things (Dan's
> presentation before they happen ?
 
I happened upon it when = reviewing the=20 Arboretum's website for another reason.  They have numerous = programs=20 including one upcoming on a trip by Dan entitled "Bonsai = Nursuries of=20 Omiya."  Perhaps someone will cross-post that to the = bonsai=20 newsgroup!  Here it is:
 

The Bonsai Nurseries of = Omiya,=20 Japan
Sunday, February 8, 1:30-2:30pm=20
Yoshimura Center, National Bonsai and Penjing Museum

Travel to one of Japan's most famous "bonsai villages" = with=20 horticulturist Dan Chiplis. This slide-illustrated journey through = the town=20 that hosts dozens of bonsai nurseries provides an insider's view of=20 professional bonsai cultivation in Japan.  See how a = 1000-year-old=20 juniper is repotted.  Registration required. * Maximum enrollment: 50.  Free.

* For events = requiring=20 registration,
please call 202-245-4521 weekdays or weekends = between 9am=20 and 4:30pm.  
 
P.S. I believe that if you just = show-up,=20 there is a good chance you can see the event, but the Arboretum = reasonably=20 wants some idea so that they are scheduled in a room that will = accomodate=20 participants within code limitations.

 
Chris... C. Cochrane, = mailto:sashai@erols.com, = Richmond VA=20 USA
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BD2B33.40CDD680-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:25:49 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: "Chris Cochrane" Reply-To: "Chris Cochrane" To: Subject: US National Arboretum display & lecture opportunity Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:20:19 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2b60$fcf03f60$b73faccf@sashai.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01BD2B37.141A3760" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BD2B37.141A3760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there any interest among the internet viewing stone subscribers in = displaying your stones for a week at the National Bonsai & Penjing = Museum's International Pavilion at the US National Arboretum = (Washington, DC)? There may also be an opportunity to give an/or = participate in a lecture(s) at the Museum's Yoshimura Center. Dan Chiplis just asked me about interest in such a program scheduled for = late July this year. It would be=20 offered as the Museum offers similar opportunities to regional bonsai = societies for a display and lecture. =20 Perhaps it could be stretched to a larger event (right now, only my own = hope), though larger events usually require substantial fees paid to the = National Arboretum. This free offer is a great opportunity! The = International Pavilion, while limited in size, is the best viewing area = in the entire museum complex!! There is constantly pressure on the Museum to highlight its plants = relative to highlighting viewing stones. If viewing stones are to = maintain focus, the Arboretum will have to see that substantial interest = exists. Thanks for any input and offers of assistance if we do go forward. Chris... C. Cochrane, mailto:sashai@erols.com, Richmond VA USA=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BD2B37.141A3760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there any interest = among the=20 internet viewing stone subscribers in displaying your stones for a week at the = National Bonsai=20 & = Penjing Museum's=20 International Pavilion at=20 the US National Arboretum=20 (Washington, DC)?  There may also be an opportunity to = give an/or participate in a = lecture(s) at the=20 Museum's Yoshimura=20 Center.
 
Dan Chiplis just = asked me about=20 interest in such a program=20 scheduled = for late July=20 this year.  It would be
offered as the Museum = offers=20 similar = opportunities to=20 regional bonsai societies for a display and lecture.  
 
Perhaps it could be = stretched to a=20 larger event (right now, only my own hope), though larger events usually require = substantial fees=20 paid to the = National=20 Arboretum.   This free offer is a great opportunity!  The = International Pavilion, = while limited=20 in size, is the best viewing area in the entire museum=20 complex!!
 
There = is constantly pressure on the = Museum to=20 highlight its plants relative to highlighting viewing stones.  If viewing = stones=20 are to = maintain focus, the=20 Arboretum will have to see that substantial interest exists.
 
 Thanks for any = input and=20 offers of assistance if we do go forward.
 
Chris... C. Cochrane, = mailto:sashai@erols.com, Richmond = VA USA=20
------=_NextPart_000_004B_01BD2B37.141A3760-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:47:44 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: "Chris Cochrane" Reply-To: "Chris Cochrane" To: Subject: Yugi Yoshimura Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:41:45 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2b63$fb3d57e0$b73faccf@sashai.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0059_01BD2B3A.25758C00" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BD2B3A.25758C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I haven't seen any mention of Yugi's death during the holiday season on = the viewing stone mail list. He was certainly a figure almost without = equal in promulgating suiseki and bonsai to the West. I've heard that = there will be memorial events in his honor (perhaps one at the US = National Arboretum), and I hope such events will be published, here, so = that we might attend. Yugi was certainly a big influence on Bill Valavanis as his career grew, = and Bill was a dedicated friend to Yugi. We can see how simple = activities like growing trees in pots and taking note of stones opens a = path to a great friendship. We can all share joy that Yugi Yoshimura = has been among us. Chris... C. Cochrane, mailto:sashai@erols.com, Richmond VA USA=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BD2B3A.25758C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I haven't seen any mention of = Yugi's death=20 during the holiday season on the viewing = stone mail=20 list.  He was certainly a figure almost without equal in = promulgating=20 suiseki and bonsai to the West.  I've heard that there will be = memorial=20 events in his honor (perhaps one at the US National Arboretum), and I = hope such=20 events will be published, here, so that we might attend.
 
Yugi was certainly a big influence on Bill Valavanis = as his=20 career grew, and Bill was a dedicated friend to Yugi.  We can see = how=20 simple activities like growing trees in pots and taking note of stones = opens a=20 path to a great friendship.  We can all share joy that Yugi = Yoshimura has=20 been among us. 
 
Chris... C. Cochrane, mailto:sashai@erols.com, Richmond = VA USA=20  
 
------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BD2B3A.25758C00-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:35:16 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: "Chris Cochrane" Reply-To: "Chris Cochrane" To: Subject: Re: Lecture Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:29:41 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2b6a$ad8a6d60$b73faccf@sashai.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A4_01BD2B40.C4B46560" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01BD2B40.C4B46560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Glenn. You write, =20 > I know I certainly wish I could have attended something along=20 > this line. Perhaps Dan Chiplis would consider posting his=20 > lecture on the Internet along with Photographs to support the > data. Or even post to our Forum.=20 =20 (Sorry I don't know how to take that line that my browser shows off = the left-hand side of this page-- anyone who does please email me... = :-)...) =20 =20 Dan is not a common on-line user. I could post some details, but = was separated from my notes last night at my workstation. Of course = much of what was said required visual aides to be useful. =20 > I for one am thirsty for knowledge in regard to the stone and > it's beauty. More so than the philosophy surrounding it. I=20 > really don't have mush time to try to understand the entire=20 > immersion of the religion, or even the appreciation of it as an=20 > art object in the technical since. I am only on this Earth for a=20 > short time so I will pick my interest accordingly. More=20 > knowledge of the stone and a little knowledge of the spirit will > suffice. =20 <...HEARTY CHUCKLING...> That you "don't have the time" sounds a = little deprecating of others' pursuits, but it is refreshingly honest = and understandable. I hear what you say about minute focus on religious = analogies and aesthetic hair-splitting. I used to feel the same way = when lurking on the aesthetics mail list. I often was turned-off by = those folks haughty terms and focus on the tiniest of details. Then, I = learned by just listening and now expectantly wait to see how the hairs = do split. Heck, I even sometimes write to myself to see if I've = captured a thread of thought-- isn't that pathetic. =20 On the other hand, I see stones can be a vehicle for pursuing = personal insight. That is their value for me... that, and an = opportunity for sharing life with people who I find very respectful of = life's offerings. =20 =20 I could probably find a similar-inclined group in a monastery, but I = "won't take the time" for living in a cell or with only other of = "brothers"... :-)... and, like you, I don't intend the least disrespect. = My choice probably seems strange to them. I'm guessing that most = suiseki enthusiasts on-line like the hair-splitting, but perhaps the = hair-splitters-- including me-- are a bunch of bullies forcing others to = quietly delete repeatedly pointless posts. In fact, I'm beginning to = see how Lynn Boyd, Peter Aradi et al. are taking advantage of others by = their incessant postings on arcane subjects; and I say, "I AM NOT GOING = TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!" =20 You sign-off with a Red Adair quotation, =20 >> If you think it's expensive to deal with an expert,=20 >> try dealing with an amateur."=20 =20 Hey, I like & respect 'em both-- amateurs & professionals (other = than doctors & lawyers)... <...GRIN...> =20 Thanks for reminding me again of all the great things stone = appreciation supports, Glenn. =20 Another friend asked me, > How does one find out about these things (Dan's > presentation) before they happen ? =20 I happened upon it when reviewing the Arboretum's website for = another reason. They have numerous programs including one upcoming on a = trip by Dan entitled "Bonsai Nursuries of Omiya." Perhaps someone will = cross-post that to the bonsai newsgroup! Here it is: =20 The Bonsai Nurseries of Omiya, Japan=20 Sunday, February 8, 1:30-2:30pm=20 Yoshimura Center, National Bonsai and Penjing Museum=20 =20 Travel to one of Japan's most famous "bonsai villages" with = horticulturist Dan Chiplis. This slide-illustrated journey through the = town that hosts dozens of bonsai nurseries provides an insider's view of = professional bonsai cultivation in Japan. See how a 1000-year-old = juniper is repotted. Registration required. * Maximum enrollment: 50. = Free. =20 * For events requiring registration, please call 202-245-4521 weekdays or weekends between 9am and = 4:30pm. =20 =20 P.S. I believe that if you just show-up, there is a good chance you = can see the event, but the Arboretum reasonably wants some idea so that = they are scheduled in a room that will accomodate participants within = code limitations. =20 =20 =20 Chris... C. Cochrane, mailto:sashai@erols.com, Richmond VA USA =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01BD2B40.C4B46560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Glenn.  You=20 write,
 
> I know I certainly wish I could have = attended=20 something along
> this line. Perhaps Dan Chiplis would consider posting his =
> lecture on the Internet along with Photographs to support=20 the
> data. Or even post to our Forum.
 
(Sorry I don't know how to take that line that my browser shows = off the=20 left-hand side of this page-- anyone who does please email me...=20 :-)...)  
 
Dan is not a common on-line user.  I could post some = details, but=20 was separated from my notes last night at my workstation.  Of = course=20 much of what was said required visual aides to be useful.
 
> I for one am thirsty for knowledge in regard to the stone=20 and
> it's beauty. More so than the philosophy  surrounding = it. I=20
> really don't have mush time to try to understand the = entire
> immersion of the religion, or even the appreciation of it = as an=20
> art object in the technical since. I am only on this Earth = for a=20
> short time so I will pick my interest accordingly. More =
> knowledge of the stone and a little knowledge of the = spirit=20 will
> suffice.
 
<...HEARTY CHUCKLING...>  That you "don't have = the=20 time" sounds a little deprecating of others'  pursuits, = but it is=20 refreshingly honest and understandable.  I hear what you say = about=20 minute focus on religious analogies and aesthetic = hair-splitting.  I=20 used to feel the same way when lurking on the aesthetics mail = list.  I=20 often was turned-off by those folks haughty terms and focus on the = tiniest=20 of details.  Then, I learned by just listening and now = expectantly wait=20 to see how the hairs do split.  Heck, I even sometimes write to = myself=20 to see if I've captured a thread of thought-- isn't that = pathetic.
 
On the other hand, I see stones can be a vehicle for pursuing = personal=20 insight.  That is their value for me... that, and an = opportunity for=20 sharing life with people who I find very respectful of life's=20 offerings. 
 
I could probably find a similar-inclined group in a monastery, = but I=20 "won't take the time" for living in a cell or with only = other of=20 "brothers"... :-)... and, like you, I don't intend the = least=20 disrespect.  My choice probably seems strange to them.  = I'm=20 guessing that most suiseki enthusiasts on-line like the = hair-splitting, but=20 perhaps the hair-splitters-- including me-- are a bunch of bullies = forcing=20 others to quietly delete repeatedly pointless posts.  In = fact, =20 I'm beginning to see how Lynn Boyd, Peter Aradi et al. are taking = advantage=20 of others by their incessant postings on arcane subjects; and I say, = "I=20 AM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!"
 
You sign-off with a Red = Adair=20 quotation, 
>> If = you think=20 it's expensive to deal with an expert,
>> try dealing with = an=20 amateur." 
 
Hey, I like & respect 'em both-- amateurs & = professionals=20 (other than doctors & lawyers)... <...GRIN...>
 
Thanks for reminding me again of all the great things stone=20 appreciation supports, Glenn.
 
Another friend asked me,
> How does one find out about these things (Dan's
> presentation) before they happen ?
 
I happened upon it when = reviewing the=20 Arboretum's website for another reason.  They have numerous = programs=20 including one upcoming on a trip by Dan entitled "Bonsai = Nursuries of=20 Omiya."  Perhaps someone will cross-post that to the = bonsai=20 newsgroup!  Here it is:
 

The Bonsai Nurseries of = Omiya,=20 Japan
Sunday, February 8, 1:30-2:30pm=20
Yoshimura Center, National Bonsai and Penjing Museum

Travel to one of Japan's most famous "bonsai villages" = with=20 horticulturist Dan Chiplis. This slide-illustrated journey through = the town=20 that hosts dozens of bonsai nurseries provides an insider's view of=20 professional bonsai cultivation in Japan.  See how a = 1000-year-old=20 juniper is repotted.  Registration required. * Maximum enrollment: 50.  Free.

* For events = requiring=20 registration,
please call 202-245-4521 weekdays or weekends = between 9am=20 and 4:30pm.  
 
P.S. I believe that if you just = show-up,=20 there is a good chance you can see the event, but the Arboretum = reasonably=20 wants some idea so that they are scheduled in a room that will = accomodate=20 participants within code limitations.

 
Chris... C. Cochrane, = mailto:sashai@erols.com, = Richmond VA=20 USA
 
------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01BD2B40.C4B46560-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:02:12 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:01:30 -0800 (PST) From: Lynn boyd Reply-To: Lynn boyd To: Chris Cochrane CC: viewing_stones@triumf.ca Subject: Re: Lecture Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Chris Cochrane wrote: > > I could probably find a similar-inclined group in a monastery, but I "won't take the time" for living in a cell or with only other of "brothers". .. :-)... and, like you, I don't intend the least disrespect. My choice probably seems strange to them. I'm guessing that most suiseki enthusiasts on-line like the hair-splitting, but perhaps the hair-splitters-- including me-- are a bunch of bullies forcing others to quietly delete repeatedly pointless posts. In fact, I'm beginning to see how Lynn Boyd, Peter Aradi et al. are taking advantage of others by their incessant postings on arcane subjects; and I say, "I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!" > Chris: It is hard to tell who said what in this post. If this part is yours would like to know, however. I am seldom posting anywhere anymore. My posts and Peters number in the whole very low. This last round I have 2 msgs from lurkers with .edu endings thanking me for new concepts or asking questions and 2 others active members with new correspondence - so it becomes hard to tell whether one is a scourge and a menace or accepted for what they are. I have been debating dropping bonsai, but this does not make suiseki look any better. I have found the other small book I wanted to mail you . . . will soon as I get caught up with a bunch of archive work for the school. I am really anxious about the above. Lynn ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:04:18 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: Mysteries Reply-To: Mysteries Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:24:08 EST To: boyd@peak.org, owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca, sashai@erols.com CC: viewing_stones@triumf.ca Subject: Re: Lecture Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think I am getting all these posts you all seem to be speaking about. Also I wanted to apologise to the group for not reporting yet on the intriguing results of the Stone-Yoakum show in my gallery. I will before the middle of next week. Some of it was wonderful, some of it was funny. We did get a veiled NY Times review. And after the show closed we even sold two. But there is a lot in between the spaces. Happy New Year (hehe) Randall ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:09:54 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:09:11 -0800 (PST) From: Lynn boyd Reply-To: Lynn boyd To: Mysteries CC: viewing_stones@triumf.ca Subject: Re: Lecture Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Mysteries wrote: > Also I wanted to apologise to the group for not reporting yet on the > intriguing results of the Stone-Yoakum show in my gallery. I will before the > middle of next week. Some of it was wonderful, some of it was funny. We did > get a veiled NY Times review. And after the show closed we even sold two. > But there is a lot in between the spaces. Randall > ----------------- Randall, Okay, we are watching for it ! Very curious. Lynn ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:23:12 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:06:24 -0800 (PST) From: Lynn boyd Reply-To: Lynn boyd To: viewing_stones@triumf.ca Subject: REGRETS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My apologies and regrets to the list and to Chris Cochrane that I have sent a msg meant for Chris to the stone list also, by mistakenly using the "reply" feature which I am not accustomed to doing. Lynn ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:07:51 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: "Chris Cochrane" Reply-To: "Chris Cochrane" To: Subject: Re: Yugi Yoshimura Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:02:06 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2ce8$6473fe00$823daccf@sashai.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01BD2CBE.7B9DF600" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01BD2CBE.7B9DF600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I received a wonderful private reply from Peter Aradi on a recent post. = I thought it had been sent publically and hoped I hadn't offended he or = Lynn with a teasing remark about their wonderous posts. Just today, I = realized that Peter's post was surely teasing me. He writes, > While I realize that this note deals with an arcane subject, I > would like to bring to your attention the fact that Mr. Yoshimura's > first name was YUJI not YUGI. > Arcanely yours > Peter Aradi > Tulsa, OK I can't argue with that... and sincerely apologize for my loose = spelling. I make even more mistakes in pronunciation, but thankfully = the mail list is filtered from those. =20 Chris... C. Cochrane, mailto:sashai@erols.com, Richmond VA USA=20 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01BD2CBE.7B9DF600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I received a wonderful private reply = from Peter=20 Aradi on a recent post.  I thought it had been sent publically and = hoped I=20 hadn't offended he or Lynn with a teasing remark about their wonderous=20 posts.  Just today, I realized that Peter's post was surely teasing = me.  He writes,
 
> While I realize that this note deals with an arcane subject, = I
>=20 would like to bring to your attention the fact that Mr. = Yoshimura's
>=20 first name was YUJI not YUGI.

> Arcanely yours

> = Peter=20 Aradi
> Tulsa, OK
 
 
I can't argue with that... and sincerely apologize = for my=20 loose spelling.  I make even more mistakes in pronunciation, but = thankfully=20 the mail list is filtered from those.
 
Chris... C. Cochrane, mailto:sashai@erols.com, Richmond = VA USA=20
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01BD2CBE.7B9DF600-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:22:49 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: "Chris Cochrane" Reply-To: "Chris Cochrane" To: Subject: Glen Miller website Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:17:13 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2cea$816214a0$823daccf@sashai.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01BD2CC0.99C35420" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01BD2CC0.99C35420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Glen recently shared with me the URL where is constructing a website of = his personal collection. It would be unfair to steal his thunder before = he is ready to reveal it, but the stones Glen pictures are incredibly = evokative. =20 Please finish your construction soon, Glen... and invite us to visit you = in Oklahoma. I think Pat Coen, David Waldo & others are also from = Glen's area... and wonder if they have an active suiseki association? Chris... C. Cochrane, mailto:sashai@erols.com, Richmond VA USA=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01BD2CC0.99C35420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Glen recently shared with me the URL = where is=20 constructing a website of his personal collection.  It would be = unfair to=20 steal his thunder before he is ready to reveal it, but the stones Glen = pictures=20 are incredibly evokative. 
 
Please finish your construction = soon, Glen...=20 and invite us to visit you in Oklahoma.  I think Pat Coen, David = Waldo=20 & others are also from Glen's area... and wonder if they have an = active=20 suiseki association?
 
Chris... C. Cochrane, mailto:sashai@erols.com, Richmond = VA USA=20
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0052_01BD2CC0.99C35420-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:42:22 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:40:54 -0800 (PST) From: Lynn boyd Reply-To: Lynn boyd To: viewing_stones@triumf.ca Subject: Re: Yugi Yoshimura and Further added (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Chris Cochrane wrote: > I received a wonderful private reply from Peter Aradi on a recent post. I thought it had been sent publically and hoped I hadn't offended he or Lynn with a teasing remark about their wonderous posts. Just today, I realized that Peter's post was surely teasing me. He writes, > > > While I realize that this note deals with an arcane subject, I > > would like to bring to your attention the fact that Mr. Yoshimura's > > first name was YUJI not YUGI. > > > Arcanely yours > > > Peter Aradi ---------------- > I can't argue with that... and sincerely apologize for my loose spelling. I make even more mistakes in pronunciation, but thankfully the mail list is filtered from those. > > Chris... --------------- Chris, You also wrote: . . the stones Glen pictures . . are incredibly ' evokative' . . . I have noticed for some time that this spelling of evocative seems an unnatural misspelling for you to use. Oh, there I go again, sorry. Pedantically and arcanely, dear Chris, Lynn boyd@peak.org Corvallis,OR ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:02:27 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca Message-ID: <199801292301.RAA15685@mailroom.iamerica.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:01:51 -0600 To: viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: Glen Miller Reply-To: Glen Miller Subject: Web site MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Thanks Chris for the kind words about my stones, I must inform everyone that this origional web page was created by Joe Davies. How ever, as I learn more about Web Page design, I will be doing an update. When I do I will post it to the group.
Much thanks to Joe for the start.
Glen Miller
Interested in Suiseki click here: http://cust2.iAmerica.net/diamonds/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:37:30 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: Mysteries@aol.com Reply-To: Mysteries@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:31:20 EST To: boyd@PEAK.ORG, Mysteries@aol.com CC: viewing_stones@triumf.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re The Stone Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The first thing I should say is that I can pretty much vouch for the fact that not one of the many people who came in questioned the stone's right to be in an art gallery. I suppose mineral stores in a way have prepared people for the fact that yes you can pay money for stones. No one questioned my prioces which were proaly way under the prices in Oriental Antique Shoppes. The NY Times thought that the stones overpowered the drawings they were shown with. At first we were upset, but then after querying people who loved the drawings we understood that this was a backhanded form of praise. If an aret critic thought the stones were too strong then this was an aesthetic judgment and finally meant to us that the stones were throwing off power that een the critic was registering but a bit confused on how to categorize. I had sent pictures to Joe Davies in London and he kindly went through them for me. I knew they would not be the top level of stones revered by antique collectors but it did open another path for me; the path that will keep me involved in the stones and that was that we have been through many art movements in the last century or so and that our collective eye as well as our individual eyes have been trained and formed by these movements. I can intellectually seek a stone that might have appealed to a three-hundred year old aesthetic and even recognise it (more on this later) but in order to keep my own interest in stones going I have to form my own criteria which tend toward a recognition of the holiness and beauty of the vernacular vision. I happen to like the rougher stuff. One of the stones was a little shabbily cut to me. One was real but uneventful. The others broke rules in various ways but contained aesthetic weight. The artists who came through the gallery bolstered this to me as well. The collectors of stones who came through were another story. None questioned the veracity of the rocks. They thought the prices were extremely cheap for such large stones. If they were dealers also they thought that the stones were real but did not necessarily conform to 'tradition' as a group. But as they went over them one by one it seemed to be provenance they felt was most lacking. In one case I examined thwe packet one had and saw little difference between my stones and theirs except size. I am pleased with the results. I think that new eyes in a field make it interesting. I think that I will collect on both levels; in the tradition and outside it for my personal collection. The stones only became more beautiful the more we looked at them. That is really all I needed to know. I went to the Armory Show and there was a booth with a single gnarly bone colored intricate wrinkled lovely stone in it. I asked the price and was told it was 16000 dollars. This doesnt bother me or surprise me at all. It was beautiful. I asked if there were others in his gallery and he said to me as delicately and contemptuously as he could muster that he didnt sell stones anymore since they had become 'fashionable." My surmisal: The aesthetics and personal taste questions are WIDE OPEN. Randall ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:48:09 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: Mysteries@aol.com Reply-To: Mysteries@aol.com Message-ID: <935fb0a.34d23af2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:41:20 EST To: Mysteries@aol.com CC: viewing_stones@triumf.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re The Stone Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, I hit the send button before I wrote a greeting or spell-checked. My apologies. Randall ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 03:31:45 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: ManFont@aol.com Reply-To: ManFont@aol.com Message-ID: <6b0cae1f.34d30b9a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 06:31:36 EST To: Mysteries@aol.com CC: viewing_stones@triumf.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re The Stone Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-30 15:38:13 EST, you write: << I went to the Armory Show and there was a booth with a single gnarly bone colored intricate wrinkled lovely stone in it. I asked the price and was told it was 16000 dollars. This doesnt bother me or surprise me at all. It was beautiful. I asked if there were others in his gallery and he said to me as delicately and contemptuously as he could muster that he didnt sell stones anymore since they had become 'fashionable." My surmisal: The aesthetics and personal taste questions are WIDE OPEN. Randall >> Randall, Thank you for the interesting account of your art show/exhibit. I found the idea that the stones overpowered the drawings very interesting. Was the juxtaposition of the drawings and stones an integral experience or just a reluctance to show only stones for the first time? I do not ask this to be offensive in any way, I am just curious. Will you possibly show the stones, in the future, without any other exhibit pieces? The quotation above incensed me. If the stones, or anything for that matter, has an inherent aesthetic power, why not continue to deal with them regardless of their alleged popularity "fashionable"? This dealer/seller of aesthetic objects is confused about the role he has assumed; if it is more "fashionable" then he could sell more. This benefits him monetarily and continues to fuel the art of found stones expanding its boundaries. Sincerely, Luis Fontanills Miami, Florida USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 06:22:50 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: Mysteries@aol.com Reply-To: Mysteries@aol.com Message-ID: <14f10f23.34d333ad@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:22:35 EST To: ManFont@aol.com, owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca, Mysteries@aol.com CC: viewing_stones@triumf.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re The Stone Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>Was the juxtaposition of the drawings and stones an integral experience or just a reluctance to show only stones for the first time? I do not ask this to be offensive in any way, I am just curious. Will you possibly show the stones, in the future, without any other exhibit pieces?<< To tell you the truth I considered the stones to be fortunate to show with the drawings and the drawings fortunate to show with the stones. My exhibitions have a bit more curating in them then most galleries do on subjects like these. Joseph Yoakum was an African-American visionary who drew these rockscapes and mountainscapes completely imbued with sense of spirit and mystery. I felt the impetus of his work was much the same as the artists who chose those stones. The resonances were wonderful and most felt the juxtapositioning was perfect. I have no hesitation in showing the stones alone but it was a crossover audience I desired. The show was an appeal to others to feel these two parallel ways of contemplating the unspeakable grace of Nature. Randall ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 06:42:52 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: ManFont@aol.com Reply-To: ManFont@aol.com Message-ID: <849b4e4b.34d33861@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:42:39 EST To: Mysteries@aol.com CC: viewing_stones@triumf.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re The Stone Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-31 09:23:03 EST, you write: << >>Was the juxtaposition of the drawings and stones an integral experience or just a reluctance to show only stones for the first time? I do not ask this to be offensive in any way, I am just curious. Will you possibly show the stones, in the future, without any other exhibit pieces?<< To tell you the truth I considered the stones to be fortunate to show with the drawings and the drawings fortunate to show with the stones. My exhibitions have a bit more curating in them then most galleries do on subjects like these. Joseph Yoakum was an African-American visionary who drew these rockscapes and mountainscapes completely imbued with sense of spirit and mystery. I felt the impetus of his work was much the same as the artists who chose those stones. The resonances were wonderful and most felt the juxtapositioning was perfect. I have no hesitation in showing the stones alone but it was a crossover audience I desired. The show was an appeal to others to feel these two parallel ways of contemplating the unspeakable grace of Nature. Randall >> Randall, It sounds as if the juxtaposition was exceptional. Did you produce an exhibit catalog? I would be very interested in this. Possibly photos of the exhibit were taken that can be scanned and placed on the Internet for viewing? Some on this list could assist in this. Luis Fontanills Miami, Florida USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:31:51 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: "Chris Cochrane" Reply-To: "Chris Cochrane" To: Subject: [Philosophy BANTER] Re: Re The Stone Show Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:26:00 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2e64$ead6e0c0$2f65accf@sashai.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Randall responds to Luis re' showing stones and drawings together: > ... The resonances were wonderful and most felt > the juxtapositioning was perfect. ... (Appealing) to others to feel > these two parallel ways of contemplating the unspeakable grace > of Nature. Ahh... just the juxtaposition of the Kei Do display where a kakemono (hanging scroll), bonsai and suiseki (or another less frequent combinatio= n of objects) are shown together in a tokonoma (alcove). In the aesthetics mail list recently, a fellow named Wayne posting from Japan (wayne@IAMAS.AC.JP) wrote about "satisfaction:" __________________________________ ...To experience a (work o= f art) is, partly anyway, to let the work trigger in us a set of expectations. Once we are engaged in this set of expectations, we have a desire for some (all?) of these expectations to be fulfilled. Although what in the end fulfills them isn=92t exactly predictable, fulfillment must be within the terms of the type of expectations aroused... (Upon a desire being engaged)... if this is my first time around, ....................................(I search) for something that will satisfy my interest in resolution or coherence or some other aspect that seems important to the experience... (and the object chosen) places certain 'constraints' on the experience. (Reactions to a drawing & stone in Randall's case)... could be described as a series of triggered expectations and satisfactions strung out over the time of the viewing. (Furthermore) ... It might be interesting to see, if a narrative of viewing could be contructed-- now I see this, I expect this, but no, it is this-- and generalized. It would be a kind of husserlian constitution of the object through the selective filling in, and transformation, of a range of expectations. ___________________________________ In a tokoname display, the Japanese have the opportunity to introduce both a narrative and a picture using Kanji script, and it often has vague illusions which for the accomplished reader triggers further expectations and opportunities for other objects to interact/fill-in. Hope this is of interest to some readers. My apologies to Glen-- especially for that Husserl reference, which doesn't mean much to me either without dragging out a text... ;-) Chris... C. Cochrane, mailto:sashai@erols.com, Richmond VA USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:58:51 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: ManFont@aol.com Reply-To: ManFont@aol.com Message-ID: <5453c9eb.34d35841@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:58:39 EST To: sashai@erols.com CC: viewing_stones@triumf.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Philosophy BANTER] Re: Re The Stone Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Cochrane in a message dated 98-01-31 11:32:14 EST, you write: << Randall responds to Luis re' showing stones and drawings together: > ... The resonances were wonderful and most felt > the juxtapositioning was perfect. ... (Appealing) to others to feel > these two parallel ways of contemplating the unspeakable grace > of Nature. Ahh... just the juxtaposition of the Kei Do display where a kakemono (hanging scroll), bonsai and suiseki (or another less frequent combination of objects) are shown together in a tokonoma (alcove). >> Forum, Yes there is a tradition of juxtaposition here, but Randall's use of artist/art and stones/somewhat unconventional by his admission (through a private post), stretch the tradition; no doubt Westernizing it. Add to this the fact that probably most who attended are of Western cultural upbringing thus swinging the associations/symbolic interpretations further towards the West. If the art/appreciation of viewing stones is ever to have a rightful place in Western art, this is certainly one workable method towards that end. Luis Fontanills Miami, Florida USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:54:42 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca Message-ID: <199801311754.LAA07126@mailroom.iamerica.net> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:54:35 -0600 To: viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: Glen Miller Reply-To: Glen Miller Subject: Husseral MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Chris, Could you elaborate more on the Husseral effect for this poor ole country boy:-) Respectfully, Glen Miller ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:00:24 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca Message-ID: <199801311800.MAA08676@mailroom.iamerica.net> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:00:21 -0600 To: viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: Glen Miller Reply-To: Glen Miller MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Apology to Chris, as you can see I don't even know how to spell the word let alone understand it's use. Uneducated and still living in the country, Respectfully, Glen Miller ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:31:00 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: "Chris Cochrane" Reply-To: "Chris Cochrane" To: "Glen Miller" , Subject: Re: Husseral Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:24:20 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2e86$36260a80$d03daccf@sashai.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glen writes > Could you elaborate more on the Husseral effect for > this poor ole country boy :-) You are just goading me, Glen. I KNOW you care more about waxing your mag' wheels than Husserl, but you have piqued my interest in Wayne of Japan's statement. He wrote, ---------- (Furthermore) ... It might be interesting to see, if a narrative of viewing could be contructed-- now I see this, I expect this, but no, it is this-- and generalized. It would be a kind of husserlian constitution of the object through the selective filling in, and transformation, of a range of expectations. ---------- I tried finding to no avail the thin copy of a green Husserl text I waded had through in the 1960's . I then tried to find my college notes on Husserl to no avail. I did find some thin references to Heidegger who, as I recall, produced a book on the nature of "being" which Husserl subsequently tried to explain and amend. Husserl was much easier to follow, so I read him and hoped to pass muster on Heidegger's thought. Heidegger is best known for extrapolating on the theme that man is thrown into the human situation where the way he understands existence determines his existence. Man's flaw is in rejecting the constant confrontation of his own death and allowing himself security in realizing his own finiteness. Instead, man finds security in being like everyone else, which Heidegger views as falleness or inauthentic existence. Acting as others for the sake of security is evil. So....maybe Wayne is suggesting that rather than seeing/expecting a object of art (a stone for us) to be what is commonly considered, a viewer should approach it as an opportunity to expand sight & expectations. Every insight creates recognition of new insights & broader influences on the viewed object of art. Art thus creates "authentic" experience that rises above expections for the next can of mediocre beer... :-). Or maybe I'm just full of cow patties... Best wishes, Chris... C. Cochrane, mailto:sashai@erols.com, Richmond VA USA ryour next opportunity to v >Respectfully, >Glen Miller > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:00:39 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: "Chris Cochrane" Reply-To: "Chris Cochrane" To: Subject: Muriatic acid Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:54:44 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2e8a$755967c0$d03daccf@sashai.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marco wrote convincingly of using oxalic acid to clean stones in a previous post. He noted that at full cocentration (10%) of oxalic acid crystals in water, a limestone suiseki could be left for days if fully covered by liquid. If not fully covered, Marco warned that the scum on that forms on top of the acid solution can precipitate back on the stone. After trying with no success to find oxalic acid (wholesale distributors tell me that there are dire warnings about its misuse which discourages retail sale), I purchased Transchem's brand of muriatic acid (31 1/2 % Hydrogen Chloride) to try cleaning. Felix Rivera recommended muriatic acid for cleaning stones in his suiseki text, but didn't comment on the concentration or timing for dipping. Trying a 5% solution (1 cup of muriatic acid to 20 cups of water) in a 5 gallon pail, I found it works well for cleaning the clay off palumbini limestone. Muriatic acid is commonly used by painters and available at modest cost (~ $5.00 US/gallon--3.8 liters). At first the clay bubbles and the solution gets cloudy. After an hour, I pulled stones out of the solution (using rubber kitchen gloves) and rubbed areas of thick clay to disperse the upper layer of clay. Returning some stones to the acid solution and others to a bucket of water, I found a thin coating of clay all over the stones which could be rubbed-off, or better yet brushed-off with a toothbrush. Left overnight, the clay settles to the bottom of the acid solution and the remaining acid is clear, so you do not have to worry about the clay debris re-precipitating on the stone. A second vat of this inexpensive solution would probably be a wise investment for final soaking and cleaning of the stones. It was getting cold and I wasn't willing to clean another 5 gallon pail, last night... but will plan better in the future... :-) The resulting finish is not far from that achieved on the first stone pictured on Glen's web page. BTW, when Dan Chiplis was discussing suiseki at the National Arboretum, he commented that acid should not be used to clean stones. I'd agree if the acid etched the surface of the stone one intended to keep, but this acid bath is too mild for that. Dan told me that he has heard of others using "soft scrub" bathroom cleanser to clean stones. I tried a bit of this, but found the acid bath is both easier and more effective. Hope this helps others. Chris... C. Cochrane, mailto:sashai@erols.com, Richmond VA USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:24:22 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: ManFont@aol.com Reply-To: ManFont@aol.com Message-ID: <63114abe.34d395d5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:21:22 EST To: viewing_stones@triumf.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: Muriatic acid Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_886281683_boundary" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_886281683_boundary Content-ID: <0_886281683@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_886281683_boundary Content-ID: <0_886281683@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: ManFont@aol.com Return-path: To: sashai@erols.com Subject: Re: Muriatic acid Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:19:34 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Chris Cochrane in a message dated 98-01-31 16:00:54 EST, you write: << After trying with no success to find oxalic acid (wholesale distributors tell me that there are dire warnings about its misuse which discourages retail sale), I purchased Transchem's brand of muriatic acid (31 1/2 % Hydrogen Chloride) to try cleaning. >> This concentration of Muriatic acid is also available through swimming pool supply stores. This is used to regulate the PH of the pool's water and is quite inexpensive. Be sure to work in the open air or a very well ventilated space. Read the warning carefully. I have used this in low concentrations (highly diluted) to clean mineral buildup from hard water on my bonsai pots with great success. Just let them soak for awhile and then hose off with clean water. BTW: Check out the Chris and Marco adventure at Garry Garcia's site: The Great Adventure Ligurian Collecting in Italy Luis Fontanills Miami, Florida USA --part0_886281683_boundary-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:35:48 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980201003719.00807970@inrete.it> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 00:37:19 +0100 To: viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: marco favero Reply-To: marco favero Subject: Re: Fwd: Muriatic acid CC: manfont@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 16.21 31/01/98 EST, you wrote: > BTW: Check out the Chris and Marco adventure at Garry Garcia's site: >The Great Adventure Ligurian Collecting in Italy Luis Fontanills Miami, >Florida USA Luis!!! oh no please,this notice was untimely,the page isn't still ready,Chris must do some change,well now as we say: you maked an omelette or for you Hurricans you maked a blunder;-)!!!! then good appetite:-). marco ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:36:06 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980201003738.00806100@inrete.it> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 00:37:38 +0100 To: viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: marco favero Reply-To: marco favero Subject: Re: Husseral MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 15.24 31/01/98 -0500, you wrote: >Glen writes >> Could you elaborate more on the Husseral effect for >> this poor ole country boy :-) >I tried finding to no avail the thin copy of a green Husserl text I >waded had through in the 1960's . I then tried to find >my college notes on Husserl to no avail. I did find some thin >references to Heidegger who, as I recall, produced a book on >the nature of "being" which Husserl subsequently tried to explain >and amend. Husserl was much easier to follow, so I read him >and hoped to pass muster on Heidegger's thought. > >Heidegger is best known for extrapolating on the theme that >man is thrown into the human situation where the way he >understands existence determines his existence. Man's flaw is in >rejecting the constant confrontation of his own death and allowing >himself security in realizing his own finiteness. Instead, man finds >security in being like everyone else, which Heidegger views as >falleness or inauthentic existence. Acting as others for the sake >of security is evil. Chris,can i answer about Edmund Husserl? Husserl elaborated his thought about phenomenology between 1905-1906 in his book "the idea of phenomenology" and he touchs briefly the question of artistic problem above all in 1906-1907 handwritten which related a meeting with young students of a live aesthetics' school of Theodor Lipps who investigates about the meaning of Einfuhlung(Empathy,i.e.the concept across which one hypothesizes the meaning highly subjective of aesthetics, which bases itself in a cultural relation between the subject and object). For Husserl the phenomenology isn't a psycologic personal and contingent approach to aesthetical object,on the contrary it must be an inspection of essences,of quality of things themselves. And these qualities arn't in a abstract or metaphysics "objectivity",in that that Husserl calls "Transcendence", which hangs the things out of objective conscience,but they form themselves in subjective acts themselves,in deliberate relation between experience which learns and the specificity of experience's object which offers. He bases the acquaintance in conclusion in experience's acts of subjects,and he associates the subjective pleasure with the constitution of work of art. His thought has been developed later on by Waldemar Conrad Moritz Geiger,Roman Ingarden and Oswald Becker untill to definition of existentialism with Karl Jaspers or with Nicolai Hartmann,but this is all another question. hope this helps. marco ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:17:51 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca From: "Chris Cochrane" Reply-To: "Chris Cochrane" To: "marco favero" , Subject: Re: Husseral Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:11:21 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2ea5$ece11f20$2f3daccf@sashai.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marco writes, >Chris,can i answer about Edmund Husserl? After your answer, Marco, I'm thinking that thin book I read of Edmund Husserl must have been Cliff's Study Notes... and I didn't read it with much comprehension... ;-) Chris... :-) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:12:24 PST Sender: owner-viewing_stones@triumf.ca To: ManFont@aol.com CC: Mysteries@aol.com, viewing_stones@triumf.ca Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:38:43 +0000 Subject: Re: Re The Stone Show Message-ID: <19980131.200855.3286.4.norbalt@juno.com> References: <6b0cae1f.34d30b9a@aol.com> From: norbalt@juno.com Reply-To: norbalt@juno.com Luis, You are probably right about the man and his desire not to sell any more. His attitude was probably to get you to relieve him of his burdensome possession and as soon as you out of sight and ear shot he probably pulled another one from under the table. God Bless and Keep You and Yours, May 1998 be a Glorious year for all of Us, Regards from Pawnee America Tom La Bron Home E-Mail: norbalt@juno.com Office E-Mail: norbal@okway.okstate.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 06:31:36 EST ManFont@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 98-01-30 15:38:13 EST, you write: > ><< I went to the Armory Show and there was a booth with a single >gnarly bone colored intricate wrinkled lovely stone in it. I asked the price and >was told it was 16000 dollars. This doesnt bother me or surprise me at all. >It was beautiful. I asked if there were others in his gallery and he said >to me as delicately and contemptuously as he could muster that he didnt sell >stones anymore since they had become 'fashionable." > > My surmisal: The aesthetics and personal taste questions are WIDE >OPEN. > > Randall >> > >Randall, > >Thank you for the interesting account of your art show/exhibit. I >found the idea that the stones overpowered the drawings very interesting. Was >the juxtaposition of the drawings and stones an integral experience or >just a reluctance to show only stones for the first time? I do not ask this >to be offensive in any way, I am just curious. Will you possibly show the >stones, in the future, without any other exhibit pieces? > >The quotation above incensed me. If the stones, or anything for that >matter, has an inherent aesthetic power, why not continue to deal with them >regardless of their alleged popularity "fashionable"? This dealer/seller of >aesthetic objects is confused about the role he has assumed; if it is more >"fashionable" then he could sell more. This benefits him monetarily and continues >to fuel the art of found stones expanding its boundaries. > >Sincerely, > >Luis Fontanills >Miami, Florida USA _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]