IMAGINARY SUBJECT #4: RY's CE3 ANALYZED

  

SUBJECT: RY (M, 24)           DATE: APRIL 6, 1977
LOCATION: ANAHEIM MEMORIAL HOSPITAL, ANAHEIM, CALIF.
INVESTIGATORS: DR. W.C. McCALL AND ALVIN H. LAWSON
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| | | | | | | | | | |   (PRELIMINARY PROCEDURE AND HYPNOSIS)
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| | | | | | | | | | |   QUESTION AREA #1: UFO
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| | | | | | | | | | |MC: As you're lying there, completely relaxed, you look up in
| | | | | | | | | | | the sky and you see a UFO. Now, I want you to describe
| | |X| | | | | | | | that UFO to me, every detail. Tell me everything that you
| | | | | | | | | | | see about it. Tell me what's happening.
|P| | | | | | | | |X|RY: So far away ... it's moving very quickly ...
| | | | | | | | | |X| it's just like a--a small shape, and the sky's very,
| | | | | | | | | |X| very, very blue ... and its movements seem very
|P| | |X| | |X| | |X| chaotic. It's not moving straight across like a--like
|P| | | | | |X| | |2| a plane, it's--seems to jump back, and I can't see it
| | | |X| |X| | | |X| anymore.
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: OK, well that UFO is coming very, very close to
| | | | | | | | | | | you, now. Very close to you. I want you to tell me,
| | | | | | | | | | | now, what it looks like.
|P| | | | |X|X| | |X|RY: (PAUSE) It has--it's lowering like--really long
| | | | | | | | |X|X| legs or something.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: All right.
|P| | | | |X|X| |X| |RY: They kind of remind me of--of long tinkertoy parts
|P| | | | | |X| |X|X| or something. They're a reddish color. The--the
|P| | | | | | | | |X| vehicle is circular, with like a--in the center it goes
| | | | | |X| | | |X| up into a pyramid shape. But--it's like it's landing,
|P| | |X| | | | | |X| but it's never touching the ground.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: Sorry, what's not touching the ground?
| | | | | | | | | |X|RY: The--the legs, like, came off of the bottom. Think
| | | | | |X|X|X| |X| there were six of them. They still don't touch the
|P| | | | | | | | |X| ground. They--like--stay above the ground... And,
| | | | | | |X| |X| | around it, the sky doesn't seem as blue. It's like
| | | | |X| |X| |X| | it's hazed the blueness partly away ... I feel
|P| | |X|X| |X| | |X| as if I'm being watched. I feel a little tense
|P| | | | | | | | |X| from--from being watched. I don't--I'm not afraid, I
| | | |X| | |X| | |X| don't feel I have to run. But I wonder why it's there
| | | |X| | | | | |X| and I'm alone in this place ... I also get the
|P| | | |X| |X| |X| | feeling that there's--there's a stream of light coming
| | | | | | | | | | | towards it. It's not coming--the light's not coming
| | | | | | |X| | |X| from it, the vehicle or whatever--the light's coming
|P| | | |X| | | |X| | from somewhere... I don't know how to--as if communicating
|P| | | | | | | | |2| to the vehicle. And the vehicle's still hovering.
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: How large is that light?
|P| | | | | | | | |X|RY: Uh--very--quite wide. It's not a--not a pinpoint
|P| | | | | |X| | |X| it's--it's like a large--large beam of light, and the
| | | | | | | | |X|X| beam just phases out on the edges, it's not a sharp
| | | | | | | | | | | light. And ... (PAUSE)
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: What do you see now?
|P| | | | | | | | |X|RY: The legs are touching--or, they're folding,
|P| | | | | | | | |X| uh--it's like they're going inside the capsule, but the
|P| | | | |X|X| | |X| legs are really too long to fit inside--whatever
|P| | | | | | | | |X| it is. They're just-- becoming shorter and shorter.
|P| | |X|X|X|X| | |X| And now--now I know some--some--thing is watching me.
| | | | | | | | |X| | It's--uh--there's no exterior--like--being or person or
| | | | | | | | | |X| anything. Uh--it's like the feeling when you know
|P| | |X|X| |X| | |X| someone's right behind you, and you can--you can tell
| | | | | | | | | | | they're there.
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: OK. I want you to tell me more about the object,
| |X|X| | | | | | | | the vehicle. Do you see any lights on it?
|P| | | | |X|X| | |X|RY: No. It--it reflects the--it's like light surrounds it
| | | | | | | | | |X| a little bit, but it has no--like, lights.
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: All right. What size is it?
|P| | | | | | | | |X|RY: It's--like a car and a half wide. When the legs
| | | | | |X| | |X| | themselves were like a story and a half high, now
| | | | | | | | | | | they're--it's still far enough from me--I have trouble
| | | | | |X| | | | | telling distances--I've always had trouble telling
| | | | | | | | | | | heights. But I--I would say I could easily ... the
|P| | | | |X| | | |X| bottom is probably neck-level.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: Um-hm.
|P| | | | | | | | |X|RY: It's--it's made of a metal. The legs don't seem made
| | | | | | |X|X| | | of metal. But the--the capsule thing seems made of a
| | | | | | |X| | |2| metal. But it doesn't reflect sun--it's not like a
| | | | | | | | | |X| tin or something which the sun is real bright on.
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: What are the legs made of?
| | | | | | | | | | |RY: I don't know. It's almost as if they were--they were
|P| | | | | |X|X| |X| like wood or something. They're ... they're so thin.
|P| | |X| |X|X|X| | | I mean, they couldn't really possibly hold it up.
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: One further question. Are there any windows?
| | | |X| | |X| | |X|RY: No. No, that's what so strange about being
|P| | | |X|X| | | |X| watched. I know where they're watching me from.
|P| | | | | |X| | |X| But--there's no windows.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: Where are they watching you from?
| | | | |X|X| | | |X|RY: From the base of the--the pyramid portion. Goes
| | | | | | | | | |X| up into a pyramid and then--goes out into the
| | | | | | | | | |X| --round section. And from the base of the pyramid
|P| | | | |X| | | |X| area is where they're watching me.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: All right.


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Comments on Question Area #1: Sighting UFO
 
RY seems to be in authentic deep trance, with good narrative flow 
and many details. But he is independent and has a tendency to 
follow his own leads and does not always respond fully to the 
question at hand. Without MC's firm control he would have gone 
ahead of our protocol or onto side-roads. Oddly, both EJ and RY 
sense entities watching them early on -- from windowless UFOs. Yet 
RY anticipates being seen by (and seeing) aliens with more nervous 
intensity than any of the other three. As with the others, this 
sense of being watched is apparently caused by RY's greater need 
to experience a symbolic perinatal bonding relationship with the 
alien parental surrogates.
 
RY's unusual UFO description is curiously similar to the drawings 
for an 1890's magazine article of H. G. Wells' "The War of the 
Worlds," -- a small cylindrical capsule with a peaked hat (the
"pyramid") -- atop three very long spidery legs, on which it 
walked, spreading doom and destruction. It is possible he had seen 
the article, or had read a similar sci-fi story. RY sees six legs, 
which is fine for an insect but maybe too many for a UFO. The 
pyramid UFO capsule and the mysterious and huge space-lightbeam 
suggest RY has also read something about pyramid powers.
 
Perinatal details: RY's vehicle's legs are of dubious construction; 
he says, "they couldn't really possibly hold it up." Thus their 
function seems decorative or symbolic. They are of course umbilical 
symbols that connect with the round, flat-bottomed, placental UFO. 
RY notes their unusual and significant "reddish color" (consistent 
with the color of umbilical artery blood flow to the placenta). 
Spidery umbilical landing gear have been common on UFOs since the 
magazine cartoons of the 1940s. A second umbilical symbol RY cites 
is the lightbeam that strikes the UFO from somewhere in space, its 
edges fuzzy as if originating from a great distance. It may be a 
communications device. (In CE3s, all tubes and tunnels are 
potentially umbilical or vaginal, whether made of light or anything 
else, and there are many.)
 
There are more "strange" details in RY's narrative than in most
CE3s - "real" or Imaginary. Some from this segment include: the odd 
"haze" around the UFO that drains the blue sky's color; the 
telescoping "legs" made of seemingly insubstantial materials and 
design; the mysterious lightbeam from space that communicates with 
the UFO; the circle of light surrounding the UFO capsule; and the 
"watchers" watching RY from a windowless part of the craft.
 
Some imaginative Imaginary!

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| | | | | | | | | | |    QUESTION AREA #2: ABOARD UFO
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| | | | | | | | | | |MC: OK, well now, RY, you're just doing beautifully well
| | | | | | | | | | | this evening. You're doing very well--exactly
| | | | | | | | | | | what we want you to do. I want you now to
| | |X| | | | | | | | imagine that you're aboard that--vehicle.
| | | | | | | | | | | Can you see yourself aboard the vehicle?
| | | | | | | | | |X|RY: Yes.
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: How did you get there?
|P| | | | |X|X| | |X|RY: I was--soon as you said it I was--I was pulled
|P| | |X| | | | | |X| in. I mean-- a particle of dust into a vacuum
| | | | | |X|X| | |X| cleaner. I mean, I'm just suddenly there. And it's
|P| | | | | |X| | |X| much larger inside. Like--at first I had to doubt
|P| | |X| | | | | |X| that I was in the same vehicle I was watching from
| | | | | | | | | |X| outside, but I must be.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: All right.
| | | | | | | | | |X|RY: And ... there's lights in there, but there's no
|P| | | | | |X| |X| | general lighting. It's as if whatever is within this
| | | | | | | | | |X| thing, doesn't need general lighting. And I kind
|P| | |X|X| | | | |X| of want to--to see someone or something that--there's
| | | | | | |X| | |X| really no one there. It's like ... there's a
| | | | | | |X| | |X| machine there but it--there's no blinking lights, or
| | | | | | | | |X| | reels like on a modern-day computer, something...
| |X|X| | | | | | | |MC: How do you feel about being aboard that flying saucer?
| | | |X| | | | | |X|RY: I just--I just feel tense. I'm most tense because no
|P| | | | | |X| | |X| one is saying, "This is what is happening to you,"--that
|P| | | |X| | | | |X| is, there's--I know someone's there, but I'm not hearing a
| | | | | | | | | |X| voice communicating to me and saying, "This is what we're
| | | |X| | | | | |X| doing with you," or something. It's--just I'm there, and
|P| | | |X| |X| | |X| I'm--I'm--my presence is being felt by someone else, as I
|P| | |X|X| |X| | |X| feel the presence of--something ... I can feel myself
|P| | |X|X| |X| | |X| being--being touched--by ... again, just presence--I--it
| | | |X| |X| | | |X| bothers me because I just can't explain.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: OK. All right, fine....
 

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Comments on Question Area #2: Boarding UFO 

RY, like the other three Imaginaries, entered the UFO through a 
vaginal/cervical opening in its bottom. His words are: "I was 
pulled in. I mean -- a particle of dust into a vacuum cleaner. 
I mean, I'm just suddenly there." The brevity and immediacy of 
RY's "I'm just suddenly there" may be a hypnosis artifact, since 
it is a frequent assertion in CE3s. Here RY's figurative 
perinatal vehicle is a vacuum cleaner hose, though no doorway 
or other opening is mentioned. Accounts of passing through the 
UFO's solid bottom (or through house walls or windows) are 
seldom detailed. The descriptions by RM and particularly JM 
(above) are richly specific compared to most. Again, passage 
through solid floors or walls is being claimed by both 
Imaginary and real witnesses, and is yet another major parallel 
showing that the narrative contents of Imaginary/real CE3s are 
essentially identical, while differences are trivial.
 
RY experiences a couple of common patterns when he enters the 
UFO: 1) he observes that the interior is much larger than the 
craft's small outer size indicated; and 2) the "big room" 
inside is a frequent perinatal echo of fetal feelings of 
expansion after vaginal compression.
 
RY still senses the presence of unseen entities actively 
watching him, perhaps touching him. His "psi" and "strange" 
categories are particularly active in the first few segments.
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| | | | | | | | | | |    QUESTION AREA #3: INTERIOR OF UFO
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| |X| | | | | | | | |MC: Now that you're aboard the flying saucer, RY, now that
| | | | | | | | | | | you're aboard that UFO, I want you to describe what the
| | |X| | | | | | | | inside of that UFO looks like.
| | | | | | | | | |X|RY: There's a flat floor. And the walls--uh--the floor starts
|P| | | | | | | | |2| slanting up towards the walls, then it curls up over, and I
|P| | |X| | |X| |X|X| see no--no ceiling, or--or roof. I don't understand where
| | | | | | | | |X| | the pyramid I saw on the outside of it is. I can't see any
|P| | | | | |X| | |2| edges to it--it's so dark. And again, there's like--there's
| | | | | | |X|X|X| | like dots, swirls of light, but they're in particular
| | | | | | | | | |X| places. It's not covering the entire inside. And--but I
| | | | |X| | | |X| | get the feeling the swirls of lights are not from a beam
| | | | | | |X| |X| | but from some sort of machine. They're very constant in
|P| | |X|X| |X| | |X| their d--and now I feel I'm moving a little.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: How are you moving?
|2| | |X| | |X| | |2|RY: Uh--very, very quickly, but there was no acceleration.
| | | | | | | | | |X| There's--I have my feet, I have my ground. There--but I can
|2| | |X|X| |X| | |2| feel very intense moving. And there's change of direction
|P| | | |X| |X| | |X| without me following or anything. It's very quick. And the
| | | | | | |X|X|X|X| lights respond--swirling lights respond in--in--in quick
| | | | | | | | | |X| movements, but there's no ... uh--I've gotten down on the
|2| | |X| | |X| | |X| ground because the--uh--feeling is--is--is unusual to
| | | | | | | | | | | me. The--and--and I realize with my hands, because I
| | | | | | | | | |X| could not tell through my shoes, that the floor is very
|P| | | | | |X| | |2| cold. Very cold. And there's some hot air, and I'm
|P| | |X| | | | | |X| wondering why there's--why the air is right for me to breathe
| | | | | | | | | | | in there. It--it makes me feel that--that whatever this is,
|P| | |X|X| |X| | |2| is planned. That--that there's something behind it.
| | | | | | | | | |X| Uh--want to question whole lot of things, like--is this the
| | | |X| |X| | |X| | United States or Russian experiments or (CHUCKLE)
| | | | | | | | | |X| something, I don't know. But somehow, the touch of--of
|2| | |X| |X|X| | |X| that--ground, of that metal, very real to me. And I still
|P| | |X|X| |X| | |2| haven't seen anyone. I still haven't seen anything. No
|P| | | |X| | | |X|X| one's tried to--no one or nothing has tried to
|P| | | | |X| | | |X| communicate with me.
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: Do you see anything like furnishings, or--
| | | | | | |X| |X| |RY: No. There's definitely no furnishings.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: All right. Do I understand then that there's just an empty
| | | | | | | | | | | room that you're in now, with the walls all curved together
| | |X| | | | | | | | until they meet overhead?
| | | | | | |X| |X|X|RY: Ok, there are--protrusions. Uh--cased-- ... they're made
| | | | | | | | | |X| of the same stuff as the wall, but they're--they're
| | | | | | |X| |X|X| inside--they're--and--the light is mirrored on them, like
| | | | | | | |X|X| | there's a projector behind them, shining light on the
| | | | | | | |X| | | outside of them.
| |X| | | | | | | | |MC: Is that where that swirling light is coming from?
| | | | | | | | | |X|RY: Yeah. There-there's more than one of these--protrusions
| | | | | | | | | |X| there. They're around.
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: What's the function of those protrusions?
| | | | |X| | | |X| |RY: Uh--I would guess that they--they move whatever I'm in...
|P| | |X| | |X| | |X| I--I--on the ground I feel very heavy. I feel--as if the
| | | | |X| |X| | |X| floor was a magnet or something.
| |X| | | | | | | | |MC: When you say "ground" you mean floor?
| | | | | | | | | |X|RY: The floor, the floor ... At times when it's moving, it
|P| | |X|X| |X| | |X| seems shorter in length. Uh--I mean, I'm noticing that
|P| | | |X| |X| | |X| it--that it actually seems to change size inside. Uh-- ...
|P| | | | | | | | |X| but--the whole thing seems like it changes sizes because it
|P| | |X|X| |X| | |X| gets so dark around the sides that--I feel--more enclosed.
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: What happens to these lights when it gets dark?
| | | | | | | | | |X|RY: They just dim, they--they never leave. Um--they're ...
| | | | |X| |X| | |X| somehow controlled.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: All right, RY. OK.
| | | | | |X| | | |X|RY: Lot of energy.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: Lot what?
| | | | | | | | | |X|RY: Lot of--energy. I don't know any other explanation for it.

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Comments on Question Area #3: Inside the UFO 

Inside the UFO, RY finds a huge empty room; but it has an 
obviously womblike shape. A flat floor gradually slants 
upward, then the walls curve up and back overhead, creating 
a closed area. RY can't see a ceiling, and it's too dark to 
see the edges of the room. There are no furnishings at all, 
only a few wall "protrusions" around, with swirling lights 
or reflections nearby. His thoughts are interrupted, for he 
feels he is suddenly moving.

Perinatal interpretation: I think RY is fantasizing the UFO as 
a womblike room; and he is also associating it with memories of 
fetal sensations of maternal moving about. He says, "...and now 
I feel I'm moving a little...very, very quickly, but there was 
no acceleration." (He may mean he feels no inertia; perhaps 
the fetus in the amniotic fluid feels fewer sudden inertial 
movements.) The motion seems very real to RY. "...I can feel 
very intense moving. And there's change of direction without me 
following or anything." He gets down on the "floor" and feels 
the cold there, and then breathes in hot air. (Again, as in 
"hot/cold flashes" from Grof's birth revivifications.)
 
These confusing events don't bother RY, for he is fatalistic: 
he says, "whatever this is, is planned...." Though he has 
questions, like RM he is certain of the reality of his 
experience: "...somehow, the touch of...that [floor], of that 
metal, very real to me." It is still another Imaginary subject 
testifying to the emotional actuality of an experience. How 
"real" our Imaginary Abductees get!
 
Then things get crazy again. RY suddenly feels very heavy, "as 
if the floor was a magnet or something." The womb-room seems 
to enclose him more completely: "The floor, the floor... At 
times when it's moving, it seems shorter in length...I'm 
noticing that it actually seems to change size inside...it gets 
so dark around the sides that -- I feel -- more enclosed." And 
later he mutters enigmatically, "Lot of -- energy. I don't know
any other explanation for it." (Here again, refer to Grof's 
changes in body or other size perceptions; all four Imaginaries 
have described them.) 

Of the lighted "protrusions" on the walls, RY says, "...I would 
guess that they move whatever I'm in..." (i.e., the protrusions 
are controls for the movements of the UFO/womb). RY is still 
pondering the activities and whereabouts of the entities whose 
presence he has sensed from the beginning: "... no one or 
nothing has tried to communicate with me," suggests again his 
yearning for a bonding experience that is not yet in sight. As
we will see, the bonding anticipation has more staying power 
than its successful resolution. 
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| | | | | | | | | | |    QUESTION AREA #4: ENTITIES
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| | | | | | | | | | |MC: Now, RY, I want you to imagine that there are--that there's
| | | | | | | | | | | an entity, or entities, or beings, that have come into this
| | |X| | | | | | | | room where you are. I want you to describe them, as
| | | | | | | | | | | completely as you can.
| | | | | | | | | |X|RY: At first I only see--it's dark on the sides and I only
|P| | |X| | |X| | |2| see-- like a head, and it's very strange, and then the
|P| | | |X| | | | |X| more I look at it, the more it--it be--it actually
|P| | | |X| |X| | |X| becomes more human as I look at it. It--it started out
|P| | | | | |X| | |X| very elongated, uh--flat... uh--it had the parts of a
|P| | | | | |X| | |X| human face, but they--it didn't seem right somehow; it--
|P| | | | | | | | |X| it's like there was no ears, or--the more I look at it--
|P| | |X|X|X|X| | |2| it begins to conform to what I want to see as being human.
|P| | | |X| |X| | |X| And--but it doesn't seem like it's seeing with its eyes.
|P| | | |X| | | | |2| It's watching me, but--but it just watches me. And the
|P| | |X| | |X| |2| | body--is--is clothes, like without a body inside of it.
|P| | | | | | | | |X| Uh--and by clothes I mean, like a one-piece suit... that's
| | | | | | |X|X| | | ... that's just there, hanging from the head. I mean--it
|P| | | | | | | | |X| moves without really using its--what I see are its arms and
| | | | |X| |X| | |X| legs. I wonder if--if it's giving me this illusion of
| | | | | | | | | |X| itself, strictly through my--my mind. I don't--... because
|P| | | |X| |X| | |X| it keeps changing as it walks towards me. I get the
|P| | | |X| |X| | |X| feeling--that it's changing for me. But as much as I keep
| | | |X| | |X| | |X| looking--well, I'm backing away cause it-- (CHUCKLE) --it
|P| | | | | |X| | |2| makes me nervous. But I don't--its eyes aren't looking at
| | | | | | | | |X|X| me. I'm--I'm still low. I'm standing up, because I realize
| | | |X| |X| | | |X| it's ridiculous to pretend I'm going to run, or
| | | | | | | | | |X| anything like that. And so I just look at it. But
|P| | |X|X| | | | |X| it--it's watching me, but again like that. And so I just
|P| | | |X| |X| |X|X| look at it. But it--it's watching me, but again not with
|P| | | | | | | | |X| those eyes. Its head is--large on--it's large up near the
|P| | | | |X| | | |X| top of the head. I don't know the correct terms of
|P| | | | | | | | |2| anatomy. Chin is very thin. Uh--the skin is--is not
|P| | | | | |X| | |X| soft, it's--it's semi-plastic [sic]. Uh--the eyes are--are
|P| | |X| | |X| |X|X| large, like--but they're like frozen marbles. They're not
|P| | | | | |X| | |2| moving, or... In fact, they don't move. If there's a neck
|P| | | | | | | |X|X| there, all I'm really aware of is the head and this--
| | | | | | |X| |2| | suit that's enclosing possibly a body, possibly not.
|P| | | | | | | | |X| But it--it's not moving its neck back and forth or--its
|P| | | | | | | | |X| eyes are not moving back and forth. It just--it just
|P| | |X|X|X| | | |2| moves--toward me. But it's not-- don't feel menaced from it.
| | | | | | | | | | | It's--it's--in fact, it actually gives off a feeling
|P| | |X|X| |X| | |X| of--peace.
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: Could you describe its face a little bit?
|2| | | | | | | | |2|RY: All right. A gaunt face, with a very broad forehead.
|P| | |X| | | | | |X| I suddenly realize there's no hair. Uh--none at all, on
|P| | | | | |X| | |X| the head, at all. It--it has some form of--ears, but I don't
|P| | | | | | | | |X| see all the--the ear lobe and stuff like that. I--it's
|P| | | | | |X| | |2| white. Uh--again, almost plastic, very harsh. The only
| | | | | | | | |X|X| lines I see in the face are--uh--uh--the lines that actually
|2| | | | | | | | |X| bring out the hugeness of those eyes, and the gauntness
|P| | | | | | | | |X| of--of where our--below, where our cheekbones would be.
|P| | | | | | | | |X| Large cheekbones, but th--they're just like flat, they're
|P| | | | | | | | |2| not protruding. I would say the head is a little larger than
|P| | | | | | | | |X| mine and--uh--about the same width, but in depth it seems
|P| | | | | |X| |X|X| to be deeper. Quite a--like three or four inches deeper.
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: OK. What about the mouth?
|P| | |X| | | | | |X|RY: Small, no expression whatsoever.
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: What about the rest of the body looks like, what you
| | | | | | | | | | | can see of it?
| | | | | | | | | |X|RY: Uh--silver ... uh--uh--metallic cloth. Uh--it--it
|P| | | | | | | |X| | looks wrinkled. The ends of it have like a striped black
| | | | | | | | |X|X| and silver, kind of like pajamas that--that tuck in at the
| | | | | | | |X|X| | bottom, or--but I don't--I--it just--it trails off in the
|P| | | | | |X| | |X| hands and arms. I'm not aware of seeing hands and arms.
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: How many of these are there?
| | | | | | | | | |X|RY: There's just one. He just turned to the lights--
| | | | | | | | | |X| the--the lights that are sort of swirling, and they became
| | | | |X| |2| | |X| brighter. And like a very bright light came from--from
| | | | | | | | | |2| very--high--it's like--it's like there's a glass--a glass
| | | | | | |X| | |X| ceiling above us, and then above there, is where--I guess
| | | | |X| | | | |X| the pyramid would be a much higher part of the ship.
|P| | | | | |X| |X| | It's like a strong stream of light just went to the
|P| | | | | | | |X| | very top through the glass ceiling and down to the floor
|P| | |X| | | | |X|X| in which we're standing. And now I don't feel any motion.
| | | |X|X| | | | |X| We've stopped. Uh--I get the feeling that there's
| | | | |X| |X| | |X| other--I--I think I'm seeing a projection of one of
| | | | | | |X| | |X| them. I don't think it's real. I almost want to--to
|P| | |X| |X| | |X|X| grab at the silver costume and--and find out if there's
| | | | | | | | | |X| anything behind it.
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: Does he talk to you?
| | | |X| |X| | |X|X|RY: No. In fact, I'm amazed by the fact that I felt all
|P| | | | | |X| |X|X| that movement, and it's very, very quiet. Very quiet.
| | | | | | |X| | |X| Uh-- there's--like a--a high, high-pitched sound, just
| | | | | |X| | |X| | barely out of--like in one of those ear tests. Sort of
| | | | | |X| | | |X| just around me.
| | | | | | | | | | | |MC: All right.

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Comments on Question Area #4: Entities
 
RY's entity encounter is a highlight of his session. His alien 
is an apparitional type, infrequently described in CE3s now, 
though a mainstay of world folklore. RY presents the entity 
dramatically, step by step, as he discovers its bizarre physical 
characteristics and odd behavior. Meantime, RY feels, the entity 
may be playing mind games with him (i.e., with himself).
In perinatal terms, there is a bonding motif throughout this 
segment. RY has anticipated the presence of aliens from the 
beginning, much more emphatically than any of the other three 
Imaginary subjects. I interpret this to mean that he initially 
sought a bonding relationship with the alien (the symbolic parent),
but like EJ was frustrated by his entity's emotional distance, as 
revealed by its strangely dead eyes: "...the eyes are...large...but 
they're like frozen marbles... they don't move." (Talk about alien 
"stares"!) (Another parallel!)
 
RY sensed early on that "something" was "watching" him. Now, facing 
the entity, "it's watching me, but again not with those eyes." The 
alien "watches" RY mentally, "giving me this illusion of itself, 
strictly through my...mind." Surprisingly, this seems to be true. 
As RY sees the apparitional entity's transformation, he tells us of 
an incredible event: the entity is a shape-shifting apparitional, 
and as its shape changes, "it begins to conform to what I want to 
see as being human."
 
Actually, RY means "humanoid"; the creature the alien becomes is a 
fairly typical fetal humanoid: large head, flat cheekbones, small 
chin, hairless, huge eyes, undeveloped ears, expressionless mouth, 
pallid complexion -- a gaunt overall look. Apparitional entities, 
of course, are all shape-shifters and can take any form they 
please. But there is little to RY's entity save the head; the 
limbs and body seem like "clothes...without a body inside of 
it...a one-piece suit... that's just there, hanging from the 
head." Thus the entity's head was essentially floating.
 
RY is not certain that what he sees is what he gets: "I think I'm 
seeing a projection of one of [the aliens]. I don't think it's 
real." He wants to grab at the being's silver body suit to see 
what's in there. But in a confrontation with the entity, RY oddly 
does not feel menaced by it. As he puts it, "...in fact, it 
actually gives off a feeling of -- peace." Obviously, there are 
contradictions in his rather loose account; but that is the 
general rule in real CE3s as well.
 
RY's imagination threatens to wander at times far outside the 
parameters of our eight basic questions. For example, the huge 
"stream of light" from space that RY described shining on the 
UFO in the first segment reappears here, mysteriously coming 
through what suddenly is a "glass ceiling" over the big 
womb-room. This is perilously close to a New Age "pyramid power" 
situation, and though RY is ready to take his narrative in new 
directions, MC keeps him curbed. Such yarn-spinning urges were 
typical of many of our "real" subjects - still another parallel 
between them.
 
RY's apparitional entity seems fanciful, yet it has extensive 
parallels with a "real" South African CE3 case, mentioned above. 
Imaginary and real abduction narratives have many major similarities, 
as a careful reading of the four transcripts clearly shows. 

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| | | | | | | | | | |    QUESTION AREA #5: EXAMINATION
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| | | | | | | | | | |MC: Now, RY, I want you to imagine, now, that you're
| | |X| | | | | | | | undergoing some sort of physical examination.
| | | | | | | | | | | Describe what is happening to you.
| | | | | | |X| | |X|RY: They're using light. They're using--I say "they"
|P| | | | | | | | |X| because ... because there's ... a few people around me.
|P| | |X| | | | | |X| I'm just--I see more of those--those heads, but I don't
|P| | | |X|X|X| | |X| believe any of them. I don't believe the heads are really
|P| | | |X|X|X| |X|X| them. The--the light is coming from up above and through
| | | | | | | | |X|X| the glass, and I'm not so aware of the physical examination
|P| | |X| | |X| | |X| as that my mind is being probed. There is--uh--I have
| | | |X| |X|X| |X|X| trouble concentrating on where I am. It--it's like I'm
| | | | |X|X|2| |X|2| in a dream within a dream, and I know I'm in a dream, and
| | | | | | | | |X|X| so I want to get out of it. But they keep uh--th--they're
|P| | | |X| |X| | |2| making images flash in my mind. Some I recognize in my
|P| | |X| | |X| | |X| past. Some of them are just--are just crazy things.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: What are they doing this for?
| | | |X| | | | | |X|RY: I don't know. I just feel I just want it to stop.
|P| | |X| | |X| | |X| I--it--it hurts.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: What is it that hurts?
|P| | |X| | | | | |X|RY: Uh--it's just like--like a dull headache all through
|P| | | | | | | | |X| my head. It was--uh--there's like pa--pains, but they're
|2| | |X| | | | | |2| disseminated. It's like somebody's hitting me in parts of
|P| | | | | |X| | |2| my head with--with an energy I can--can't see or feel on
|P| | | | | | | | |X| the outside of my head. And--many of the times it makes
|P| | | |X| |X| | |X| me--see a very quick flash of an image. Uh ...
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: What else is happening?
|P| | |X| | | | |X|X|RY: They've stopped. It--my mind is--like tired. It's
|P| | | | | | | | |X| like I--I need to sleep more. They've--uh--my--I wanted to
| | | | | | | | |X| | like roll over, but my feet are--I'm just on the
| | | | | | | | |X| | ground--well, on the bottom of--this--wherever I am--and my
|P| | |X| | | | |X| | feet are stuck where they were. Uh--I no longer
| | | | | | | | | |X| have shoes on. I have the rest of my clothes on; but
| | | | | | | | |X| | my feet are touching on the edge of one of those internal
| | | | | | | | |X| | pieces of--what--metal that contain the light? And my
| | | | | | | | |X| | feet are flat against that. And-- it's as if there's a
|P| | |X| |X| | | |X| feeling--like a high-pitched sound you can barely hear?
|P| | | |X| | | | |X| Well, this isn't a sound, it's a--it's a feeling that's...
|P| | | | | |X| | |X| that's going directly into me, through my feet, but which
|P| | |X| | | | | |2| gives me no typical sensation--it doesn't hurt, it doesn't
|P| | |X| | |X| |X|X| shock, or tickle. It's like a high-pitched feeling.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: What's its function?
| | | | | | | | | | |RY: At first I thought, maybe it's just--
| | | | | | | | | | | (MC IS INTERRUPTED BRIEFLY)
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: OK, RY, what's the function of this?
| | | | | | | | |X| |RY: At first, I thought it was just--just keeping me there.
|P| | | |X| |X| | |X| But it seems actually to be doing something within me. I
|P| | |X| | | | | |X| feel good--it's not making me feel bad. Uh--my heart beats
|P| | |X| | | | | |X| a tiny bit faster--I don't know if it's because of that,
| | | |X| | | | | |X| or--just because I'm nervous about what it's doing.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: Are you telling me, then, RY, that this--uh--actually--
| | |X| | | | | | | | has kind of paralyzed you, or fastened you to that
| | | | | | | | | | | thing so you couldn't move?
|P| | | | | | | | |X|RY: Right.
| |X| | | | | | | | |MC: Is this beam actually dissecting you--
| | | | | |X| | |X| |RY: It--it's not a beam.
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: Uh--force?
| | | | | | | | |X| |RY: It's a--OK, if you picture a beam, then picture a beam
|P| | |X| | |X| | |X| of very--pinhole beam of ... of electricity that doesn't
| | | | | | |X| | |X| shock. And it goes very straight. I can--like--my legs
| | | | | | | | | | | are not perfectly--perfectly straight--they--they're bent
| | | | | | | | | | | just slightly at the knee. But--no matter how my physiology,
|P| | | | | | | | |X| the beams of--of these very thin electrical currents go
|P| | |X| | | | | |X| perfectly straight, because I can feel them all the way up
|P| | | | | | | | |2| through my body. Just slightly ...
| |X| | | | | | | | |MC: Are you standing during this entire procedure?
| | | | | |X| | | |X|RY: Uh--I haven't made myself clear. I'm laying down on the--
| | | | | | | | | |X| on the bottom of this--of this vehicle. When--as soon
| | | | | | | | | |X| as I felt I was being examined, I--I was suddenly just
|P| | | | |X| | | |X| laying down, as suddenly as I had been brought aboard
| | | | | | | | | | | whatever I'm--in.
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: Are you dressed?
| | | | | | | | | |X|RY: Yes, I am. Except--except my--my shoes. Uh--my--I'm
| | | | | | | | | |X| wearing the same--clothes--I--like I have the same--just
| | | | | | |X| |X|X| everything on, but it--it--it--it feels different to me.
|P| | |X| | | | | |X| It--it--it's cool in here. And ... the--the clothes have
| | | | | |X|X| |X| | lost their--their softness. Outside they felt--soft, now
| | | |X| | | | |X| | they feel somewhat-- harsh, like just taken out of a dryer
| | | | | | | | |X| | or some--or ...
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: How do you feel, RY?
|P| | |X| | | | | |X|RY: I feel uncomfortable laying there, and I--I try even
| | | | | | | | |X|X| once in a while to turn over, but--but my feet are--are
|P| | |X| | |X| | |X| still locked up in that position. And so I'm trying
|P| | | | | |X| |X|X| to--and so I'm sitting up... and... my mind is--is losing
|P| | | | | |X| |X|X| that--that sleeping feeling. I'm--I'm regaining... I guess
|P| | |X| | | | | |X| (CHUCKLE) I'm regaining some of my nervousness and fear.
|2| | |X| | |2| |X|X| But it--it kind of feels good. I don't feel drugged
| | | |X| | | | |X| | anymore.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: All right.

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Comments on Question Area #5: Examination 

RY's first four segments are rich with CE3 and perinatal details. 
But in his examination segment, his responses lack the meaningful 
and coherent flow of his earlier sections. Like RM, and unlike 
JM and EJ, he does not "tell a story" about his exam. Something 
is suddenly very different with RY's perinatal memories at this 
point, and I believe that -- as with RM -- it has to do with 
anesthetic drugs administered to his mother during delivery.

RY's examination/deliveryroom memories are static and very few. 
There is no complete head-to-foot bodily exam; rather, it consists 
of only two things. First, a group of alien "heads" probe his brain 
with energy beams (from that mystery space beam, somehow) that make 
his head hurt, and cause images of his past to flash in his mind. 
(Jacobs calls this "Imaging" -- a kind of enforced visualization. 
Still another Imaginary/real parallel.) Second, a wall protrusion 
holds onto his feet, and through them the aliens send pinpoint 
electric currents into his body. (Grof finds memories of head pain 
and discomfort from body currents a common part of vaginal birth 
revivifications.)

RY clearly seems drugged early on, as when he says, "I have trouble 
concentrating on where I am." He feels he's in "a dream within a 
dream, and I know I'm in a dream, and so I want to get out..." 
That perceptive assertion gives us RY's situation precisely. He 
is under hypnotic trance trying to remember a drugged dreamtime. 
Later he says, "I need to sleep more." He recovers by the end of 
his exam probing and declares, "I don't feel drugged anymore." 
That assertion is strong evidence that anesthetics or other drugs 
have indeed limited his recollections for a time, then have worn 
off, in memory, as well. 

We did not ask RY about his birth situation since, as I have 
pointed out above, in 1977 we had no idea that perinatal 
functioning had anything to do with CE3 fantasies. He was 24 and 
so was born in 1953-4, when several anesthetics were routinely 
and widely used in childbirth, and without the caution of current 
medical practice. 

RY is surrounded by a group of the "heads," but he doesn't believe 
they are real, because "I don't believe the heads are really them." 
(RY was more skeptical about his CE3 events than the other subjects 
were.) His exam begins as the heads use light energy from the 
mystery space beam to probe his mind. He feels dreamy and finds it 
hard to concentrate. The probings make images of past events flash 
in his mind -- some of which seem "crazy." His head aches, and he 
acts drugged, for his mind is fatigued and he wants to sleep. His 
shoes are gone and his feet are apparently held fast by one of the 
protrusions. He hears a high-pitched sound and feels it probing 
his body. Later his clothes feel different, and it's cool. Then 
suddenly he is released, and his old nervous self comes back, and 
he isn't drugged anymore. The "examination" is over. 

Much of RY's examination data is perinatal, having to do with 
mind-probing, head pain, and foot paralysis. He says the aliens 
were playing mind-games with him, though of course they were 
products of his own fantasy. But maternal drugs may indeed have 
fogged his memories. His immobilized feet and legs could have been 
paralyzed by drugs, though mere blanketing cannot be ruled out. 
The difference in clothing that he describes could have been a 
neonatal gown. His "recovery" is similar to the wearing off of 
the effects of drugs. 

I wonder if the metal "protrusions" that hold RY's feet fast 
could be memories of forceps gripping his fetal feet -- perhaps 
his birth was a double footling (feet and legs first) affair. Or 
perhaps there was body paralysis during a difficult or prolonged 
birth. These scenarios could have involved the foot-fantasies 
that seem to overwhelm RY's memories of this time. 

His mental flashbacks are interesting for they are a normal part 
of the "life review" segment in full abduction sequences. Like 
EJ, RY was ready to carry the narrative into other areas had MC 
allowed it.

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| | | | | | | | | | |   QUESTION AREA #6: MESSAGE
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| | | | | | | | | | |MC: Now, you've been given a message by this being. What
| |2| | | | | | | | | does this message say? How was it made known to you?
|P| | | | | |X|X| | |RY: I'm--I'm given--uh--an iron, circular rod. Uh--about
|P| | | | | | |X| | | an inch and a half in diameter, about as long as from my
|P| | | | | |X|X| |X| elbow to the end of my middle finger. And it has markings
|P| | |X| | | | | |X| on it. And ... my feet are now released, and in getting up
| | | | | | | | |X| | I leaned over forward and placed the--the bar on the ground
| | | | | | | | | | | to use both hands to help get up, and it--it--uh--the whole
| | | |X|X| |X|X| | | length of it sounded like a tuning fork. It wasn't even
| | | | | |X| | |X|X| really deadened by--by my hand. It--and the markings are
| | | | | | | | |X| | in--uh--they're not--just wholly exterior--some of
| | | | | | |X| |X| | the--the dots--the dots in them actually seem to go much of
| | | | | | | |X|X| | the way through the--through the--the iron or whatever it
|P| | | | | | |X|X| | is. It's a coarse metal, it's not--it's not a
| | | | | | | | |X| | polished--metal.
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: Are the dots in the form of a pattern, or--
| | | | | | | | | | |RY: There--it--it doesn't follow a--a--a cer--I mean it
| | | | | | |X| | |X| doesn't follow any pattern in any single line. I mean, to
| | | | |X| | | | |X| me, it--I think that's communicating, but maybe through...
| | | | | |X| | |X| | maybe because of my science background I--I--I see a--it's
| | | | | | |X| |X| | trying to communicate more through math than--than through
| | | | | | | | |X| | letters or--whole words.
| |X| | | | | | | | |MC: You think this bar is sort of like a computer, or--a
| | | | | | | | | | | calculator?
| | | |X| | | | | |X|RY: I don't know. I'm confused by it. I don't think it
| | | | | | |X| | |X| is. But I--I just can't guess what it is.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: All right. You mentioned that it was giving you a
| | |X| | | | | | | | message. What is the message?
|P| | | | | |X| |X| |RY: (PAUSE) It is a message to someone else. I--I think
|P| | | | |X| | |X| | I'm supposed to give this to--to someone. And ... I don't
| | | | | | | | |X| | know the person I'm going to give it to, but--I know I'm
| | | | |X| | | | |X| going to be released somehow. Somehow I will manage to
|P| | | |X|X|X| | |X| give this to the right person. And somehow I know, no one
|P| | |X|X| | | | |X| but the right person will even see it, somehow. I will be
|P| | | | |X| | | |X| influenced in such a way that, even though this thing is
|P| | |X| | | | | |X| now hovering above my head, I will not show it to anyone
| | | |X|X|X|X| | |X| else. And--I'm back in the--the pasture.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: All right.

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Comments on Question Area #6: Message

RY's "message" episode seems murky if you search it for 
intellectual content; but then, most CE3 messages are 
pretty trite and banal -- warnings about the ecology, 
or war, or pure human cussedness, or the need for hope. 
RY's "message" purports to be a metal bar or rod with 
a secret coded communication imbedded in it. The bar 
strikes the ground and the whole thing vibrates like 
a tuning fork. RY is to present this object at some 
future time to a stranger, who will know what to do 
with it. A bit of James Bond mixed in, with a mystery 
ending -- which is not resolved for us.
 
Perinatally, the metal bar (with "markings") is an 
obvious umbilical cord. It is roughly about the size 
and thickness of an actual umbilical cord (18-22 inches; 
the umbilical is always about the same length as its 
fetus; and it also has "markings" of a kind).
 
The metal bar is also an objective correlative, a 
stuffy literary name for any concrete object that 
carries symbolic meaning. The umbilical cord is 
essential to fetal life; and the umbilical/placental 
complex is an example of the strongest kind of "bond" 
-- from a fetal point of view. RY's message, whatever 
its literal meaning, is life-affirming in that he 
"delivers" it to another designated being, anonymously, 
and it is accepted. That is precisely the case with a 
successful bonding: in a sense, mother and infant, too, 
are strangers -- until the bond is offered, then 
accepted. Earlier, RY has sensed that his adventure was 
all planned -- maybe by the alien watchers, maybe by 
his own perinatal autobiography?
 
Perhaps the bar's "writings" and musical potential are 
meant to serve as "harmonious" thoughts which help make 
the difficulties of human birth bearable from one 
generation to the next. It doesn't make rational sense, 
but maybe it is not rational so much as perinatal. 
(Revelation is not ours; so the mysteries continue, 
maybe?) One resolved mystery is that RY is beginning to 
feel better about his entire experience. The incredible 
alien encounter, accompanied by so many strange events, 
is capped by an enigmatic message and a seemingly 
irrational delivery errand. But there is a kind of 
inevitability about his assigned task, and RY's feelings 
are uplifted as he prepares to carry it out.

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1:PATTERN  2:POSSIBLE PATTERN  3:NO PATTERN  4:STRANGENESS  5:SUBJECT BIAS
6:POSSIBLE PSI  7:SUBJECT EMOTION  8:CUE  9:UNINTENDED CUE  P:PERINATAL DATA
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| | | | | | | | | | |    QUESTION AREA #7: RETURN
| | | | | | | | | | |
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: How did you get there (in the pasture)?
|P| | | |X| | | | |X|RY: With the same quick--it's right there, and much closer
| | | | | | |X| | |X| to it this time, but--I was just there suddenly, and--I
| | | |X| | | | | |X| don't know.
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: How do you feel, RY?
| | | |X| |X| | | |X|RY: I actually feel very good. I sort of wanted to say,
| | | | | | | | | |2| as soon as I was back, as I felt immediately very good, as
|P| | | | | |X| | |X| if I had done something very good and was--and was being
|P| | | | | | | | |X| patted on the back. And then looking at the strange
| | | |X| |X| | | |X| structure, and--I feel a little good about (CHUCKLE) well,
| | | | | | | | | |X| about being back on--the ground that I understand, but
| | | | | | | | | | | also, the last feeling right before I--there was a very
| | | |X| |X| | | |2| good feeling, but I still wish it would leave.
| | |X| | | | | | | |MC: Why did they pick you, RY?
| | | |X|X| | | | |X|RY: Because I was alone at the time. Uh--I thought about
| | | | | | | | | |X| that when I was first--put aboard.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: All right. Now, RY, I want you to kind of look at
| | | | | | | | | | | yourself in that pasture, and tell me, are there any
| | | | | | | | | | | physiological, or psychological, or physical changes in
| | |X| | | | | | | | you? Are you any different than you were before you
| |X| | | | | | | | | went aboard that flying saucer?
| | | | | | | | |X| |RY: Uh--yes. My shoes are sitting next to me. They're
| | | |X| | | | | |X| not on my feet. And--there's a--there's--like--a burn--a
|P| | |X| | |X| | |X| slight burn scar, but it's--I have no feeling of being
| | | | | | | | | |X| burned, but that's how I can think of it--it looks like.
|P| | | | | | | |X| | That runs ... uh-- right at the side of each of my feet.
|P| | | | | | | |X| | Both inside and outside of--uh--the feet. Uh--it's--towards
|P| | | | | | | |X| | the back of the foot, behind the arch, and then it runs
|P| | | | | | |X|X| | vertical, from the bottom of the foot just
|P| | | | | |X| |X|X| about three inches up. And it's on both feet, it--uh--I
|P| | |X| | | | | |X| can feel the one on the right foot a little. I can't feel
|P| | | | | | | | |X| anything on the left.
| |X|X| | | | | | | |MC: Do you have anything in the palms of your hands?
|P| | | | |X| | | | |RY: The--the--the bar that was in my hand--I immediately
| | | | | | | | |X| | dropped as soon as I was in the field. It was just a
| | | | | | | | |X| | reaction. It's--it's still sitting there, but I'm
|P| | | | | | | |X| | picking it up now. It seems a little different, with
|P| | | | | |X| |2| | sunlight. It--the bar seems more commonplace. It--seems
|2| | | | | |X| |X|X| very old. But it--it still has these strange markings.
 

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Comments on Question Area #7: Return 

RY has anticipated MC's question in the previous segment, by 
suddenly putting himself back in the "pasture" where he was 
before seeing the UFO. His return was abrupt, and he can't say 
how it was done. But he feels very good, he says, as if he had 
accomplished a praiseworthy deed "and was being patted on the 
back." We must ask why the delivery of a metal bar is so 
important to him. There are no apparent reasons -- outside of 
perinatal ones. RY is very mindful of what I would call his 
"bonding errand," which is why he goes on at some length about 
it, and in the process frustrating MC's questions. 

There is no neat "acceptance of bonding" here, partially I 
suspect because RY was drugged and his coherence in the segments 
including and following his examination were affected. The same 
pattern is evident in our other drugged subject, RM. 
RY is also oddly relieved about being free of the UFO, and he 
wishes the "strange structure" would go away. (It is interesting 
that RY never uses the terms UFO or flying saucer; it is as if 
he refuses to name it. Was it fear? Reasons why are parts of 
the mysteries spoken of above.)

RY says there are scars on his feet, burns, though they don't 
hurt; the marks are 3 inches long in the same place on each foot. 
Thus, like EJ, he has "physiological evidence" of his CE3 on his 
body after his experience. In fact, of course, RY had no such 
burns on his body.
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PTA CATEGORIES --
1:PATTERN  2:POSSIBLE PATTERN  3:NO PATTERN  4:STRANGENESS  5:SUBJECT BIAS
6:POSSIBLE PSI  7:SUBJECT EMOTION  8:CUE  9:UNINTENDED CUE  P:PERINATAL DATA
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| | | | | | | | | | |    QUESTION AREA #8:AFTERMATH
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| | | | | | | | | | |MC: OK. Now, RY, I want you to imagine that it has been
| | | | | | | | | | | some time since you've had that UFO sighting. Is there
| | | | | | | | | | | anything that indicates that your physiological or
| | |X| | | | | | | | psychological functions have been affected by what happened
| | | | | | | | | | | to you?
| | | | | | | | | |X|RY: Physiologically, no. None whatsoever. I think when
| | | | | | | | | | | people come up with what may seem a little bizarre to me,
| | | |X| |X| | | |X| I'll listen a little closer. I'm not too excited about
| | | | | | | | | |X| sharing the experience. But I somehow am a little more
| | | | | | | | | |X| interested in listening to other people's experiences.
| | | | | | | | | |X| They suddenly seem a little less far out. But I--I start
| | | | | |X|X| | |X| to doubt the experience I had, even though I can force
| | | | | |X| | |X|X| myself to remember most of it. The day-by-day living takes
|P| | |X| |X|X| |X|X| precedence. The experience is too strange.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: Now, RY, are you really describing an experience that
| |X| | | | | | | | | you've had in the past, you've never been aware of before,
| | |X| | | | | | | | or is this just part of this experiment here?
| | | | | |X| | | |X|RY: This is strictly part of the experiment.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: Now, during this--projection into the future, have you
| | |X| | | | | | | | had any further communication from them?
|P| | | | |X| | |X| |RY: No. I remember giving away the--the bar--the--the
|P| | | | | | | |X| | metal rod. And walking into a place--I remember being
|P| | |X| |X|X|X| | | surprised because there was no big fanfare.... I walk into
| | | | | | | |X| | | this shop and I--I set it down on this counter. And a
|P| | | | | |X|X| | | typical older gentleman smiled and picked it up like I was
|P| | | | | | |X| | | handing in a library card or something. And walked behind
|P| | | | | | | |X| | ... and I stood there and thought about it for a second,
|P| | | | |X| | |X|X| and--and then left. I wanted something--I expected
|P| | |X|X| |X| | |X| something strange to happen. But it was just like it was
|P| | | | | | | |X| | taking an old lady her groceries because she couldn't get
| | | | | | | | | | | out of the house.
| | | | | | | | | | |MC: All right.
| | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | |(CLOSING PROCEDURE, AND SUBJECT IS AWAKENED)
 

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Comments on Question Area #8: Aftermath 

RY's aftermath is typical in part; he expresses his willingness 
to be more open-minded about others who tell tales about such 
an event as he has endured. As he answers MC's query, he says 
he has to force himself to remember, because he starts to doubt 
that his CE3 happened. The press of everyday life takes 
precedence because -- the experience was too strange! RY does 
not feel positively about being abducted, though some parts 
were not unpleasant.

Then MC asks him a question we had not used before, but normally 
saved for post-hypnotic chat: Have you really had a CE3, or is 
this just part of the Imaginary study? And RY quickly answers 
that it is part of the experiment. When MC follows with more 
questions, RY gets back into his role with a rather touchingly 
irresolute ending to his delivery story of the tuning-fork/encoded 
metal bar: He says, "I wanted something -- I expected something 
strange to happen." But nothing happens at all. Dull life goes on. 
But it is impossible not to put a positive interpretation on RY's 
adventure. It is not a simple bonding-offered/bond-accepted story, 
but RY completes a "delivery," with all the perinatal implications 
of that term. The irresolute ending may be more unsatisfying to us 
than to RY. And there may be an explanation for this odd 
partial-bond incident.

The "watcher" or "eye-contact" theme in all CE3s is related to a 
major human experience, bonding with a parent, particularly the 
mother. All the stares and the bug-eyed gazes from "grays" in CE3 
literature are related to neonatal remembrance of bonding. The word 
is used repeatedly by one of the most active proponents, John Mack. 
The bonding moment animates similar situations in narratives by RM 
and EJ. RY seems to build toward that also, but I believe he was 
stopped by memories of being medicated into forgetfulness during 
vaginal delivery, which severely limited his recall of 
deliveryroom activities afterward. We may never know for sure, 
of course.
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GROUPED PERINATAL ECHOES IN RY's IMAGINARY CE3
 
 GENERAL PERINATAL ECHOES
-he feels "enclosed" inside womb-like UFO
-he feels erratic movement, as if in maternal womb, moving about
-silent, dark, solitary inside UFO
-aftermath: larger values; keeps promise, bond
-he can breathe OK
 
AMNIOTIC ECHOES
-UFO hovers, never touches the ground
-unknown source of light inside
-can't see ceiling or edges of interior, dark
-the lights respond to movement 
-glass ceiling above
 
DELIVERY ROOM MEMORIES
-RY feels like he's being watched
-feels presence of others
-exam truncated by possible maternal drugs
-no orderly head-to-foot exam
-few details, rambling events
-they probe his mind, flashbacks (life review)
-the probing hurts; a dull headache
-he describes feeling drugged, then coming out of it
 
FETAL ECHOES
-fetal humanoids with a difference, but some parallels:
-entities are apparitions, appearing as he wishes, a mind projection
-the main one becomes a fetal humanoid, just as he "determines":
-a one-piece suit of wrinkled metallic cloth
-they are all fetal humanoid "heads"
-large head, small chin 
-soft, semi-plastic off-white skin
-large eyes, like frozen marbles; don't move
-no neck
-no hair 
-undeveloped ears
-large cheekbones, not protruding
-small mouth, no expression
-doesn't remember arms or hands
 
PLACENTAL ECHOES
-UFO is circular with pyramid top and umbilical legs
 
UMBILICAL ECHOES
-message: RY is given an iron rod w/message in strange markings
-the "rod" is an umbilical symbol -- physically same length, width
-UFO has very long, skinny legs (reddish)
-large beam of light coming into the UFO from space, a communication
-UFO legs fold into the capsule
-legs unreal -- too thin to hold UFO up (symbolic, not actual)
 
VAGINAL ECHOES
-S pulled onboard like a dust particle in a vacuum cleaner
-he feels very heavy, like the floor is a magnet
-gets down on floor--cold, but hot air comes in (Grof parallels)
-floor moves and appears shorter in length
-"high pitched feeling" or current goes through his body f/beam or force
-return: back in the field, doesn't know how; feels great; doesn't
	feel "drugged" anymore
 
BONDING ECHOES
-RY anticipates meeting "someone or something" for bonding, 
	though he was the most eager of all the subjects 
-As in other cases, however, the aliens were emotionless; RY's had 
	eyes like solid marbles, and their stare was not encouraging 
-RY's bonding experience was limited to the mysterious "delivery"  
	of the umbilical metal bar, which errand he completed
-The experience was "part of a plan," RY felt, and he felt positive 
	about being a part of something big and mysterious
 
 

 

 

VIII. DISCUSSION

 

CRITICAL RESPONSES TO OUR PERINATAL THEORIES There have been a few serious responses to our work over the years, mostly critical, hostile, and grumbling. A handful have been positive. Dennis Stillings reacted wittily to Budd Hopkins' criticisms of my perinatal and other theories by using bits from a half-dozen abductees in Budd's own 1981 book, Missing Time. The abductees all describe blatantly obvious womb-like rooms, fetal entities, and the maternal voice speaking -- in their separate UFO/wombs -- and although Budd is right there regressing each one of them, his questions and comments show that he is totally clueless. Meantime, the perinatal data (it is not genetic, though BH calls it that) piles up around him, neck-high. (See Stillings, Cyber-biological Studies...p. 146) 

An ambivalent response to our work that deserves a full answer appears in two works by Tom Bullard, the 1987 study of 300 abduction cases, UFO Abductions: Measure of a Mystery, and his 1989 lead essay, "Hypnosis and UFO Abductions: A Troubled Relationship" in JUFOS. I differ strongly with Bullard's views of entities, the abduction sequence in CE3s, his inferences about our Imaginary study, and many assertions in his essays. Above all, Bullard, like most other current ufologists, avoids all serious consideration of my perinatal ideas. 

These differences need the clarification of my perspectives before any fruitful dialogue can be initiated. The present essay is a start, and it is a single section of a planned group of pieces on these and many other issues. Rather than respond to Bullard now I would rather he and others have the chance to look at full versions of our Imaginary transcripts and a few of my own updated perspectives on these and a variety of other issues. I should repeat that Bullard and I agree (or at least we did eight years ago) that there should be a serious attempt to replicate the Imaginary study. I don't know of a single additional ETH proponent who has said as much. In our very different ways, Bullard and I may be alone. 

LET'S PUT ALL CE3 TRANSCRIPTS ON THE WEB! One thing needful is for Hopkins and Jacobs and Mack and all the rest to publish uncensored versions of their CE3 transcripts on the Web. (Bullard could make copies available of the nearly 270+ narratives discussed in his book, if he would.) It would create a whole new generation of CE3 scholars, and could transform the present CE3 abduction medicine-show into a discipline, most likely a branch of psychology -- where it should have been all this long time! Abduction transcripts are all the evidence we have about CE3s -- and they should be treasured by freely sharing them. That is one great way to promote the cause of abduction research almost overnight! 

I think all serious students of ufology ought to insist that those they know who have abduction transcripts or tapes should release them to the Web or Internet. There are many places, like Geocities, where some material can be placed free, or at low cost. Perhaps there can be funding secured for translating CE3 transcripts from other countries. It could become a good permanent addition to abduction research. 

There is now some such program, the Abduction Transcription Project, undertaken by MUFON's Dan Wright in 1992. It may have once been well-intentioned, but it has apparently now moved directly into the "alien genetics" camp. Wright recently proposed five "key elements...which go to the heart of abduction phenomena" according to him (MUFON Journal, Sept., 1997). The "key" statements together have an unfortunate ETH bias. No one group in the divisive CE3 area should have a final interpretive judgment on all 1,000 or 5,000 transcripts or narratives. Rather, let the transcripts find their own best spokesmen, democratically (to use an old-fashioned concept). Put all the transcripts on the Web, for all to see and evaluate as they see fit. 

Maybe there is too much divisiveness in ufology for this type of cooperation to work. Some investigators may feel insecure about their hypnosis expertise (perhaps for good reason), or about the shaky evidence that may be revealed in their narratives. Researchers have always been turf-protective, with secrecy their first commandment. Perhaps we are unlikely to see cooperation where there is such mutual contempt as between the various CE3 encampments, and even among those supposedly of similar minds. But...I would be happy to be proved wrong. 

"REAL" CE3s AND PERINATAL RE-EVALUATIONS The narrative content of the transcripts of RM and RY are the first in my experience that indicate possible influence by maternal drugs. It was only after my recent review of these transcripts, in preparation for putting them online, that I discovered the possibility of maternal drugs in their cases. The two instances reinforce each other, and they made it necessary for me to revise some other aspects of my previous perspectives on Imaginary narratives. 

If two Imaginary subjects' examination segments were indeed affected by memories of maternal birth drugs, it is certainly probable that other Imaginaries may do the same (I am looking into that presently). But also, many supposedly "real" CE3 narratives may show such effects. A program of independent re-evaluation of narratives could readily be undertaken if investigators published their complete transcripts online. If a pattern of "drugged" CE3 abductees emerged, it would be potent evidence for the central theme of the Birth Memories Hypothesis -- that CE3 narratives are archetypal fantasies in which birth memories play a central role. Other benefits would include more complete information about the nature of abduction data in CE3 transcripts, and also data about investigator professionalism and the quality of CE3 research in general. 

One well-known CE3 case that might bear re-interpretation is that of Travis Walton. Travis claims once again in his recent book, Fire in the Sky (1997), not to have watched the telecast of the Betty Hill abduction just two weeks before his own abduction event took place, despite the similarities between the fetal humanoids in each case. (All of the other six Walton witnesses denied seeing the program as well.) But TV guides and other journals published pictures of the Hills' entities and their UFO before and after the program. It would be surprising if a bright and literate guy like Walton and others in his crew, with a confessed interest in UFOs, would not have seen something about the telecast on or off TV.) 

The fascinating early part of Walton's CE3 is all too brief, for his narrative says that it was cut short by his suddenly being drugged into unconsciousness by human entities. In this condition, believers say, he stayed for five days and nights, before being rudely awakened when dumped out of what his groggy glimpse told him was a vanishing UFO. Travis says he has an absolutely blank memory of his 5-day drugged ordeal. Might Walton's "missing time" relate in part to memories of the effects of maternal drugs administered (perhaps massively) during delivery? With his cooperation, it should be possible to establish his birth situation and see if it sheds light on his case. But there are hundreds of other "real" CE3s for us to wonder about now. I hope you are starting to wonder, too. 

CLOSING THOUGHTS The Imaginary Abductee study, the first and only informed synthetic replication of abduction events, was important because it increased our understanding of CE3 experiences in several ways. It taught us to ask the right questions, such as how CE3-naive Imaginary Abductees could duplicate abduction yarns so readily. The study also made us ask why, if aliens truly were in control, abductees' narratives were so similar to many clearly psychological (i.e., non-alien) mental phenomena, such as the shamanistic trance, and birth memories. It gave us what we feel is compelling evidence that, like Imaginary CE3s, "real" abductions are perinatal fantasies as well. We have been led toward explanations for abduction lore within human psychology, specifically perinatal functions. Follow-up studies in time made possible the Birth Memories Hypothesis. 

Questions remain, but a psychological hypothesis about CE3s and their analogs is unavoidable, in our considered view. There are no verified dual- or multiple-witness abductions on record in which it has been demonstrated beyond reasonable question that the percipients shared an identical experience. Instead, each alleged abductee tends to describe a separate, distinct series of events, without a detailed and mutually verified involvement with co-abductees -- decisive evidence that CE3s are wholly subjective events. 

It is clear that a videotape of someone in bed having a near-death experience would not show us angels, nor would a video of an abductee's adventure have any little gray co-stars. Alien-genetics proponent David Jacobs has actually tried to record a witness' midnight abduction, but his videotape showed the putative abductee turning off the taping equipment in the wee hours -- after which, she insisted, she was abducted! It perhaps should not surprise us that Jacobs believed her! 

In the continuing absence of unambiguous physical evidence for the ETH, the Imaginary Abductee experiments and supporting data should help lead informed and objective observers to agree that CE3s, aliens, and the rest of abduction lore are fantasies based on perinatal memories -- mental, not physical events. There are no visiting extraterrestrial creatures with odd body development and distinctly un-Earthly isotopes in their internal chemistry. Rather, the supposed alien entities are mere contemporary fantasized responses to the immortal continuum of human literary, metaphysical, and folk traditions, a lineage that goes back to the earliest human societies and their shamans' vision quest fantasies.

 

 BIBLIOGRAPHY AND REFERENCES


The Birth Memories Hypothesis. Alvin Lawson, "A Testable Theory for 
UFO Abduction Reports: The Birth Memories Hypothesis," in Dennis Stillings,
ed., Cyber-biological Studies of the Imaginal Component in the UFO Contact
Experience (St. Paul, Minn., Archaeus Project, 1989) pp. 125-142.  Also, 
"Perinatal Imagery in UFO Abduction Reports," Journal of Psychohistory 
(Fall, 1994) pp. 211-239.

Black Elk. John G. Neihardt, Black Elk Speaks: American Indian -- Being 
the Life Story of a Holy Man of the Oglala Sioux  (1932).  [Illustrations from
the text were redrawn for this article.]

Thomas Bullard, "UFO Abductions: Measure of a Mystery" (1989); and   
"Hypnosis and UFO Abductions: A Troubled Relationship" JUFOS (1989).

Lloyd DeMause, Foundations of Psychohistory (1982); and "Restaging Early 
Traumas in War and Violence," Journal of Psychohistory, Spring, 1995

Raymond Fowler's books on the interminable Betty Andreasson case include: 
The Andreasson Affair (1979); The Andreasson Affair, Phase Two (1982); 
and The Watchers, (1990); and Watchers II (1997).  Fowler also wrote The 
Allagash Abductions (1993).

Garden Grove Case.  Personal files. The 1975 Garden Grove CE3 hoax 
transcripts will appear in a later section of this series, with discussion.

Daniel Goleman,  Emotional Intelligence, 1995.

Stanislav Grof,  Realms.of the Human Unconscious, 1975. 

Charles Hickson (Pascagoula).  In William Mendez, UFO Contact at 
Pascagoula (1983).

Carl Higdon.  In Coral and Jim Lorenzen, Abducted! Confrontations with 
Beings from Outer Space  (1977).  Also from private sources.

Betty and Barney Hill's CE3.  John G. Fuller, Interrupted Journey (1966).

Budd Hopkins' books include  Missing Time (1981), Intruders (1987), and 
Witnessed (1996).  A few of Hopkins' followers have published books; 
Katharina Wilson, The Alien Jigsaw (1993); Debbie Jordan and Kathy Mitchell,
Abducted!  (1994); and Beth Collings and Anna Jamerson, Connections: Solving 
Our Alien Abduction Mystery (1996).

David Jacobs' abduction work is Secret Lives  (1992).

Imaginary Abductee Study.  Articles of varying length on the 1977 Imaginary 
Abductee study appeared in journals from 1977 on.  Examples:  "What Can We Learn 
From the Hypnosis of Imaginary Abductees?" in the 1977 MUFON UFO Symposium 
Proceedings, pp. 107-135; "Hypnosis of Imaginary UFO 'Abductees,'" in Curtis 
Fuller, ed., Proceedings of the First International UFO Congress [1977] 1980), 
pp. 195-238; in Mother Jones  (Nov., 1978); OMNI (Nov., 1978); Human Nature 
(Jan., 1979); and Science News (Feb. 17, 1979).  Three co-written articles appeared 
in The Unexplained (London), Jan.- March,  l982.  Strange Phenomena (Reader's 
Digest Books, 1983) included an article about my work.  The Imaginary study  has 
been cited more recently in Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World (1996); 
Curtis Peebles, Watch the Skies! (1995); Peter Hough, The Truth About Alien 
Abductions (1997); and Michael Shermer, Why People Believe Weird Things (1997), 
among others.  

The Judy Kendall CE3. Judy Kendall's transcript of her 1971 "real" CE3 will be 
published in a later section of this series, with discussion.

The Sandy Larson Case.  In UFO Abductions: True Cases of Alien Kidnappings, 
ed. Scott Rogo (1980)

Joseph LeDoux, The Emotional Brain, 1996

John Mack, Abduction, 1994

Mojave Desert Case (SF).  Personal files.

Rhodesian CE3.  In Charles Bowen, ed., Encounter Cases from Flying Saucer 
Review  (1977).

Kenneth Ring, The Omega Project (1992)

Ronald K. Siegel, "Hallucinations," Scientific American (Oct., 1977), 
pp. 132-140; see also his "Normal Hallucinations of Imaginary Companions,"  
Maclean Hospital Journal (II, 2, 1977), pp. 666-680; and Siegel and L.J. West, 
eds., Hallucinations: Behavior, Experience, and Theory (1975).

Dennis Stillings, ed., Cyber-biological Studies of the Imaginal Component in
the UFO Contact Experience (St. Paul, Minn., Archaeus Project, 1989

Whitley Strieber, Communion (1987)

Elaine Thomas' CE3.  In Coral and Jim Lorenzen, Abducted! Confrontations 
with Beings from Outer Space  (1977).  Also from private sources.

UFO doorway and fetal rotation during birth.  Ann Druffel and Scott Rogo, 
The Tujunga Canyon Contacts (1980), pp. 47-48.

Antonio Villas-Boas CE3 (Brazil).  In Charles Bowen, The Humanoids (1969)

Travis Walton.  In Travis Walton, Fire in the Sky (1997)


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Acknowledgements: The Imaginary Abductees' sketches were 
traced over faithfully, for better reproduction results, by 
MUFON artists in 1977 (for the Symposium Proceedings).  
Used by permission.

 (End of Section 1)
 
NEXT -- SECTION 2: THE BIRTH MEMORIES HYPOTHESIS

 
 

[NOTE: Dr. W. C. McCall has kindly offered to respond to 
questions about the Imaginary Abductee study.   He 
welcomes all serious comments and/or queries.  
His email address: MCCALL1234@aol.com.]