Please Read This First
Here are some letters and feedback I have recieved about the cult articles, and the site. They are printed exactly as they arrived (except where I have blanked out some foul language!)I keep the e-mail address in just to show that these aren't made up and that you may know them by their fruits!
Just for fun I'm going to keep a scorecard of all the foul-mouthed bad language e-mails I get. I won't post the foul mouthed ones here anymore, but I will update the scores weekly. You can see who's really bearing fruits of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23)
Mormons 99 (including 9 death threats updated 9th May 2004)
Unitarians / Universalists 17
New Age groups / practicioners 130
Catholics 89 (including 3 death threats)
Masons 40 (strangely just 1 death threat)
Jehovah's Witnesses 35
'Christians' 65 (note the inverted commas, because they ignore Jesus' very Words "That by their love for one another shall you know them" doesn't seem to appear in their Bibles, and they follow a god of health, wealth and prosperity, a god who's teachings are contrary to Scripture. They mostly come from the 'Word of Faith' type churches where the 'revealed' doctrines of Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, Charlie Capps etc. are taught and sickness or poverty is seen as a lack of faith.
United Pentecostal / Oneness / Worldwide church / 'Jesus Only' Churches / William Branham followers 78
Hare Krisnas 12
Others / don't know 104
First a nice letter from a lady called Mandy living in Salt Lake City Utah, and who has done her homework on mormonism.
I found your website by accident while doing research on the connection between Joseph Smith and Freemasonry. I wasn't sure what I had found at first, but as I explored it I came to the belief (and am now certain after reading your testimony and the things that you have posted) that I had found a site by another Born Again Christian who was exposing false christs and false teachers for what they are from a strictly biblical perspective. God Bless you for having the courage to stand in Christ and cry WOLF!
I live in Salt Lake City Utah in the USA, so Mormonism is the cult that I know the most about. This city is growing and as I encounter other strange teachings and doctrines I am sure your site will be a very useful tool. I have read what you have posted about the Mormon church and I know you have done your home work because I have done mine. The truth is so plain to see if one only honestly looks. It is sad though that the information that you have posted, most of which can be found in Mormon writings, is so fiercely denied by members of the Mormon church. The members do not dig into their own history or the writings of their very own prophets. This is why so few really know what they believe. They merely accept what they are told. When they realize how much I know about Mormon history and teachings most Mormon people that I have met will not discuss the issues with me and simply say I am misinformed or redirect me to church authorities or materials. They conveniently ignore the sources I site and the obviously, glaringly, irreconcilable inconsistencies I point out. When I talk to church elders and missionaries their only defense for all of the evidence against the LDS church being the 'one true church' is that the Bible is flawed also. When I confront them with devastating proof of the Bible's unerring and enduring truth they say to me 'you just found a way to make that work! Don't come back!'
I was shocked, though I shouldn't have been, at the e-mail responses you have received in response to your site. Death Threats?! But I don't have to tell you that 'the world hated Him (Jesus) before it hated you. The servant is not greater than the master so we follow him in taking up the cross, and getting on the cross. It is so hard for people to see that God's word is love that warns and corrects. God's Law shows us our sin and our failings for Mercy's sake. Only when we see our sin for what it is we can escape it through Christ Jesus. God's Word warns and corrects to save us from destruction. There are those in the world who come to us in sheep's clothing but who inside are ravening wolves. The Bible is the only way to recognize them for what they are, to discern truth from lies. It guards us from being misled. Without the Word there is no salvation. Without the Bible men are at the mercy of any and every deceitful con man and false teacher that comes along. And Jesus said there would be many!
If there is anything I can do to help, or offer support just e-mail me. Your sister in Christ Mandy Kuck firstname.lastname@example.org
From a person who signs himself 'Kent, yet puts the name Yeldarb Nitram (that's martin bradley backwards in case you didn't notice!)on his e-mails. he can be reached at email@example.com
Discovered your site. One of the important questions in the history of learning and intelligence is: How is it that such a large per centage of humanity can see only the literal meaning in knowledge and wisdom. And, often, not able to see or perceive or understand the allegorical/metaphorical understanding. Your mind seems to have this aberration of thinking/knowledge.
9/11 is an example. A major part of the motive of those who drove the planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon believed literally. I assume that in the seconds before impact they were contemplating the fine food and companionship to come shortly. Religious fundamentalism, whether Christian, Jewish or Islamic has been a major problem in civilization for many centuries. You appear to be contributing to it. Einstein had a related phrase pertaining. "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind"
You appear to be a part of the blind form of religion.
***SHAUN REPLIES**** I get so many e-mails like this from people that just don't look about the site at all. Proper science I believe in totally, it's a FACT. But 'the big bang' and 'macro evolution' are bad unproven theories taught as fact when they are not, and they depart from science to the thinly disguised relm of faith clothed in an ever expanding infinitesimal series of leaps back in time to try to make them work, despite much evidence to the contrary! Any 1st grader could show you the 2nd law of thermodynamics, entropy (a proven law) cancels out any theory of the big bang and macro evolution. I wonder who's being narrow minded!!!!!
From an Angry Mormon who goes by the name Bob Donaldson, reprinted exactly as recieved on 2/2/03to whom it may concern; before you go and publish a slanderous web page full of lies, it would be best to objectively research EXACTLY the facts concerning what it is you are writing about. the funny thing i see all the time with this anti-mormon crap is that it is VERY poorly researched, and doesn't have a foot to stand on. you actually think we (mormons) believe that jesus sinned? or that he had three wives? throw me a frikkin bone here. i could write a novel DISPROOVING all the stuff you talk about. maybe one day i will. if you re-directed one quarter of the mental and emotional energy you used to create this crap towards thinking with an open mind, and praying to know what REAL truth is, you would probably be an active Latter Day Saint. you may think i am too far gone, or brainwashed to see the "truth" as you see it. the way i see it is that you have been blown away by the philosophies of men, mingled with scripture. yes, there is a tremendous amount of information in the world today. have you ever been to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints on sunday to observe the teachings, people, and "cult" you are ignorantly bashing? an angry "mormon" Bob Donaldson
***SHAUN COMMENTS**** Now why do you think I put the place where each quote can be found in the writings of mormonism?, is it just for fun?!. When Mormons say I am lieing, they accuse falsely, I always ask them where they say I am lieing, or if there is a lie I will remove it, but they have to check the sources. There isn't a response 99% of the time. The other 1% of the time they make an excuse like "well he may have said that but he didn't mean it", or "it's taken out of context" or "he's juat a man" and then go on to tell me their church is the only one that is run by an infallible man who speaks for God through prophecy! AMAZING!!!
A letter from "David, a unitarian Universalist"
You're off to a good start, hopefully my comments help.There is good in studying the statements of those not professing one's own beliefs. What do you define as a "cult"? Should somebody not share your specific Dogma, are they a "cult"? Ther're a lot of people out there who have never even heard of Jesus, or a Christian God. Mormons and JW's may irritate you, but they do preach a Christian and peaceful faith. How can we, as so-called "Christians" deny any others at all? Jesus didn't! In His entire lifespan He only once took on the profane, when He chased the moneylenders from the Temple. He did not chase them out for being what they were, but for what they were doing in a sacred (Jewish)place. Your questions come across as bigoted. I sincerely hope and pray that this is NOT your true intent.
I think you should read the gospels again. Jesus on many occasions called the false teachers He encountered "Sons of the Devil", "Blind leading the blind", "Whitewashed sepulchures full of dead mens bones" and "hypocrytes". He also cried while looking over Jerusalem because He saw and knew many were being misled by false prophets and false doctrines. This is the same heart response of many Christians who see others being led into a lost eternety by cults. Anger at satan for misleading many through his 'puppets'(cults and false teachers), sadness and love for those who are in the cults. But when Christians try to help lead people out of cults their efforts are seen through distorted lenses as a personal attack. Please look about this site and many other Christian cult ministries sites to see why they do it. Sincerely, Shaun
From an anonymous catholic
Hello! I found your site to be very interesting and your research on "the Mormon God" exhaustive! In a comment to another who criticized your site, you made reference to Paul's writings in 2 Corinthians about there being only one Gospel... I agree with that... there *is* only one Gospel... but I would like to offer this point of view for your consideration... the same Gospel can be preached in MANY different languages! In other words, the language of one religion says EXACTLY the same thing as another... but the language* (the word choices, imagery, etc.) used to get the message across is so radically different as to be unrecognizable as such. I have studied many of the world's religions... Hinduism, Buddhism, Native American Spirituality... and have found they'll preach the same message. The WAY it is said is very different... and unless one opens their mind, and takes the time to "learn the other person's language" (so to speak!) they will never see that. Yes... there IS only one Gospel... and it's taught in every language under the sun! Do you really think God would allow *anyone* who is seeking His word to go hungry? Blessings on your efforts!
From an Anonymous Mormon
You are a bunch of Bastards (***Shaun Note*** this by the way was only one of many foul-mouthed mormon letters I have recieved, no one can curse and threaten like they can!)
From Mike Berry, a Born Again Christian
Its a pity theres not more like you on the net willing to expose the works of darkness as the Word of God commands all Christians to do. Maybe your presentation is a bit in depth but worth reading and essential for all, esp Christians who think Oneness pentecostals, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Keneth Hagin, Benny Hinn, Ken Copeland, William Branham, Seventh Day Adventists, Unitarians and Christadelphians are Christians or telling the truth. May God truly bless you as you expose the works of darkness, falsehood and deception.
From an anonymous Mormon known as "The Dark Elder"
Your site is full of horse-s**t. If you were one of us you would see the truth, but the eyes of your spirit man have been darkened and you will never know the truth. You are a danger to yourself and others, beware the avenging angels (Danites) are still here. (***Shaun Note**** Please form an orderly que, and while you're waiting to kill me have a nice comfortable seat and a read of this tract YOU Need Salvation Today
Carl Brewer, a Born Again Christian
Excellent articles on the gods and Jesus of the Mormons. I am researching their writings and thank you for your in depth study of their hidden (or non-public)theology. Have you ever thought of doing an article on the things Mormon women have to go through the crazy vows, leadership worship, eternal pregnancy, salvation only through marrage and childbirth, depending on their husbands to call them from their graves and so on. Or about Salt Lake City Utah having the higest figures in the world of Child molestation and wife battering?, it's true. So much for their message of eternal happy families if they can't keep it together here on earth!.
From "Alex the Crate", a friend and co-warrior in the fight against darkness in the church
It is interesting to see those who are abusive to you and your site claim to have some belief in the Bible when their attitude is so clearly anti-Christian. Thank you for standing for the truth in a world full of deception. Keep going knowing that those who oppose are only opposing the one who sent you. How dreadful for them.
From Larry Cohen, who claims to be a christian and enjoys the Bible Code???? (I had to put dots and asterisks in to cover up his foul language!) Here's his e-mail firstname.lastname@example.org
You are full of s**t, the Bible Code is correct and divinely inspired. How can an A***ole like YOU get your f****ng s**t c**p c**k out of peoples minds and publishing false accusations against the Bible Code?. F**K OFF AND DIE YOU S**T BRAINED SON OF A W***E.
****Shaun Replies**** "By Their Fruit shall you know them...." Have you read the Bible Code 2 yet Larry?. In the second part it 'reveals' God didn't write the Bible and states there is no God but it was 'communicated' by Aliens. Do you think that's Christian? (hint read Psalms 14 and 53, you don't really have to go beyond the first verse in both but I would reccomend you read the Bible properly and contextually anyway)
one from "Brother Theophilus" who claims he is a Cathar?!!
Nice site, but the gospel isn't about sin and absolution, that's a kickback to Catholocism. The Gospel is about Justice, peace and tollerance. We don't accept the Catholic church of Rome though. Visit us here at http://www.cathar.net
******Shaun Replies******** Site seems nice and Humanistic....BUT, the Gospel is well defined in the Scriptures 1Corinthians 15:1-8 and the Bible clearly states there is no other Gospel Galatians 1:6-9. My or anyone's Salvation doesn't depend on if they own a telephone or refusing a government identity card or even owning a car. Remember Ephesians 2:4-9 says emphatically twice that "it is by Grace we are saved, not by works". Please read the Bible prayerfully and get rid of those false and heretical gnostic gospels which are contrary to God's revealed Word.
From Sharon, a Born agin Christian e-mail email@example.com
I enjoyed your encylopedia of cults. My question is why do people who belong to cults ALWAYS say we don't know what they believe? In any case, you have done a great job. Thanks.
One from Roy Harper, unknown what he is, e-mail ROYHAR@PACBELL.NET
This site sounds like christian cultists saying their cult is the only real cult. Way to go people. Christ would puke at what you've done to spirituality.
***Shaun Replies*** Hmm Do you remember who called false teachers 'Sons of the devil', 'A brood of Vipers', 'Whitewashed Sepulchures full of dead men's bones' and 'The blind leading the blind'? Hint ...His Name starts with the letter J and He was Crucified for your and my sins
From another anonymous Mormon
You ask people to read the facts before slamming your writings, yet you have not read all the facts or at least don't understand what you have read. Your summaries of LDS beliefs are totally off the mark.....I know what I believe and it is not what you have written as LDS doctrine, yet I am LDS.....Maybe you should speak to someone who understands our beliefs and apply their answers to what you have read in the scriptures.
***Shaun Replies*** I do on a regular basis meet with mormon missionaries as well as stake leaders etc.
Betty, a Born Again Christian here's her website: http://www.oocities.com/Heartland/Lake/3977
I love The Cult Encyclopedia. You are helping so many to see the LIGHT, if only they will read and be aware. We must save people from these cults. We must get back to the BIBLE. The word of God. We must pray more and fight for God. You have a very good site here. I love it. I will be back. Please keep up the good work and be BOLD as you have been. You are telling it like it is. Keep it up. God Bless
One from Dawn Miller, a Chritian, e-mail firstname.lastname@example.org
Oh, thank you for having the original 1830 version of the Book of Mormon as a downloadable file on your web site!!!!! I enjoy debating with those who come to my door to "talk about God," including LDS missionaries, and since they speak so glowingly of the Book of Mormon, I want to use the one "fresh off the pen" of Joseph Smith when we speak.
An Anonymous Christian
We already know the mormans and other cults are false! We need to help protect within the Body OF Christ,there is a sickness within the Church we need to speak out!! Please spend you time and talents and write on the false teachers within the Church. Here are some links that might be helpful THE WORD-FAITH MOVEMENT http://www.lifeofjesus.com/word-faith.html In Christ, name withheld
Fom a Mormon who signs himself / herself "Salome" with a very unusual e-mail: email@example.com
Interesting site, lots of info on LDS...The author of that article has no grasp of LDS theology...but hey, who really does? I must say that LDS and JW's aren't cults, though they do resemble some if you look at them from the worng angle. All you had to say abuot LDS was how they contradict themselves about God...interesting, the Bible does that too. Also, the Bible prophesies about the Book of Mormon, after reading them both as well as the D&C and Pearl of Great Price, I wonder how any christian couldn't be Mormon... Oh well...I guess many people view the LDS Church as a cult...but I got to admit, for a cult they sure have changed the world for the better.
*****Shaun Replies****** Changed the world for the better? I wonder how you could have come to that conclusion? Utah has the higest incidence of rape, child and wife battering and murder. In fact more than four times to double that of the next worst states in all categories. And Utah is 70% Mormon. Have a look at these statistics: Divorces per 1000 Population: - Utah 4.60 - Mass 2.40 - New York 3.20 - New Jersey 3.0.....Murder per 100,000 Population: Utah 3.90 - New Hamp 1.70 - Iowa 1.70 - N.Dakota 0.70......Rape per 100,000 Population: Utah 42.70 - New York 23.70 - Calif 33.40 - Virginia 27.20.......Source = U.S Census Bureau. I believe the figures speak for themselves
An Anonymous Mormon writes
If this joke of a pathetic site didnt persecute Mormons and other christians then it wouldnt get posts like some here. Your site is full of anti-mormon lies and slander. Whatever happened to thou shalt not lie?. Has that been aboloshied in your religion?.
***Shaun Replies: Remember the challange I have on all the cult pages, please research the references before hurling accusations. I have done my research, have you? and by the way, is telling the truth 'persecution'? where does it say that in the Bible (or any Mormon writings?). ****Additional Note***** This Anonymous Mormon still hasn't replied or proven one of his accusations in 3 years despite contacting him by e-mail many times.
From a satanist who goes by the title Werewolf
Your time is coming soon. The Master will arise and kill all Christians. Their blood shall atone for the evils and lies they have spread throughout the ages. Satan is Lord, Christianity has warped his image, true religion is worship of Satan.
*****Shaun Replies***** Sad isn't it. 2Corinthians 4:4 "The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."
From: Richard Neyman, a Christian, e-mail firstname.lastname@example.org
God Bless you . Thank you for some insitefull info. we have been trying to convert our friend from the LDS
A Mormon woman called PAM JEWELL wrote (all caps hers which means in 'nettiquite' she's shouting!)e-mail JJEWELL@USWEST.NET
I HAVE READ ALL YOU HAVE POSTED ON YOUR INTERNET SITE AND WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE LDS RELIGION BOTHERS ME DEEPLY. THERE ARE MANY THINGS YOU HAVE LEFT OUT THAT MAKES UP OUR RELIGION SUCH AS THE BEAUTY OF TEMPLE MARRIAGES AND THE UNITY OF OUR CHURCH. YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT WE ARE SEALED TO OUR "WIVES". THAT IS A FALSE STATEMENT FOR IN THE EARLY DAYS OF OUR RELIGION WE DID BELIVE IN POLYGAMY. BUT WE HAVE COME TO BELIEVE THAT THAT IS WRONG AND NOW WE ONLY MARRY TO ONE SPECIAL MAN OR WOMAN. YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT MORMANISM IS A POLYETHEISTIC CHURCH. I LOOKED UP POLYTHEISTIC IN THE DICTIONARY AND FOUND THAT ITS MEANING IS(WORD FOR WORD)BELIEF IN MANY GODS. SORRY TO SAY BUT THAT IS A FALSE STATEMENT AS WELL. ARTICLE OF FAITH 1: WE BELIVE IN GOD THE ETERNAL FATHER AND IN HIS SON JESUS CHRIST AND IN THE HOLY GHOST. WE HAVE NEVER REFERED TO THEM AS GOD THE FATHER OR GOD THE SON FOR WE BELIEVE THAT HAVENLY FATHER IS A GOD AND HIS SON WHO WAS SENT TO DIE FOR US, JESUS CHRIST. WE DO NOT BELIVE THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD. WE ALSO BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS USABLE AND THAT IT IS VERY TRUE. ATICLE OF FAITH 8: WE BELIVE THE BIBLE TO BE THE WORD OF GOD AS FAR AS IT IS TRANSLATED CORRECTLY WE ALSO BELIVE THE BOOK OF MORMON TO BE THE WORD OF GOD AS FAR AS IT IS TRANSLATED CORRECTLY. ARTICLE OF FAITH 10:WE BELIEVE IN THE LITERAL GATHERING OF ISREAL AND IN THE RESTORATION OF THE TEN TRIBES: THAT ZION(THE NEW JERUSALEM) WILL BE BUILT UPON THE AMERICAN CONTINENT;THAT CHRIST WILL REIGN PERSONALLY UPON THE EARTH;AND, THAT THE EARTH WILL BE RENEWED TO ITS PARADISACAL GLORY. I AM 14 YRS OLD AND BELIEVE STRONGLY TO OUR CHURCH WE ARE NOT A CULT NEITHER ARE WE BEING BRAINWASHED. I HAVE HAD THE OPPURTUNITY TO SEND A MISSIONARY TO TEXAS. I AM PROUD OF HIM THAT HE COULD TAKE 2 YRS FROM HIS LIFE AT 19 YRS OLD TO SERVE OUR LORD. I WISH YOU COULD HAVE THE FEELING I HAVE RIGHT NOW KNOWING THAT OUR CHURCH IS TRUE AND THAT OUR PROPHET WAS APPOINTED BY GOD TO SERVE AND HELP US. I ALSO WISH YOU COULD HAVE THE FEELING THAT I FEEL KNOWING THAT EVERY ONE THAT IS IN MY WARD AND STAKE LOVE ME AND CARE FOR ME AND THEY ARE ALWAYS THERE TO HELP IN MY TIME OF NEED. I AM NOT WRITING YOU TO LECTURE OR TRY AND CONVERT YOU. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN PRINTED ON THE INTERNET ABOUT MY RELIGION AND I WOULD NOT HESITATE TO TELL YOU THAT EVERY MEMBER OF THE LDS CHURCH WOULD FEEL THE SAME WAY. I AM SAD TO HERE THE THINGS THAT ARE SAID BECAUSE I AM ONLY 14 AND HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE OF A WONDERFUL RELIGION THEN YOU COULD EVER RESEARCH ABOUT OR STUDY ABOUT. GOING TO THE TEMPLE IS ONE OF THE GREATEST FEELINGS ANY ONE COUD EVER FEEL. I WISH YOU COULD SHARE THAT FEELING WITH YOU. I WOULD GO THROUGH ALL THE PERSICUTION THAT JOSEPH SMITH DID JUST TO VISIT THE TEMPLE. THE SPIRIT IS SO STRONG IT IS SO HOLY.
*******Shaun Replies******* Please see my other answers on this page to Mormons, always answered in the spirit of love and truth
From "Sis" an ex-jehovah's Witness. e-mail: email@example.com
thank you for providing this site! The LORD saved me out of the JW's ten years ago. Incredible. Please don't give up or get discouraged. May all you do be preceded with prayer.
An Anonymous but encouraging post
Great site and full of useful info. I think these cults that are trying to put you down need to take a good look at themselves and see that you are in fact trying to care for them. Mormons are not Christians and any informed person knows that I don't know why they try to con us into thinking any different. Wake up and smell the coffee before its sulphur with no way out. Jesus paid for you too so as you don't need to be religious just need to belong to Jesus.
From:'Mark Lee' It has been proven the martyr Joseph Smith was a prophet of god. Your articles on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints misrepresent our views and are all lies, shame on you, get off the net before some Danites come around with their knives.........
*****Shaun note****** 1.Notice the small g in prophet of god?, that in Biblical terms means a false god or satan! Also time is the enemy of all false prophets, why not download from this site a copy of the book of commandments?, it was the first version of 'Doctrine and Covenants'. Notice how much has changed? Time is indeed the enemy of false prophets. Is Joseph Smith a prophet or martyr, real history screams NO!. 2. Name me one Christian martyr who was executed for trying to oppress and destroy a newspaper office that printed true stories about him?. Just one christian martyr who demanded a bottle of wine and drank before he tried to escape from the prison he was being held in. One Martyr who died with a pistol in his hand killing two others and wounding a third on his way out of escaping jail?. That doesn't sound like any christian martyr I know of!
Are those Danites coming around again to slit my throat?, I'm getting a bit tired of waiting in for them!. Perhaps they would make a date to meet me somewhere?. And anyway, they'll have to join the que, the Scientologists have threatened me first. Though I have been approached by Mormons and they did give me the secret Mormon Temple symbol of my throat being slit!
An Ex-Mormon Satanist who signs himself 'Atropos' firstname.lastname@example.org
The Mormons say I am going to outer darkness. Thats good too. I dont care as long as there are no elders there to convert me back. I live for now so I dont care. If I get to pick my place in eternity I want to be with my Lord Set. Satan represents vital exsitance instead of spiritual pipe dreams. I enjoy your site very much. I just wish that more ex-mormon Satanist would sign this guestbook.
***Shaun Replies***** Really there's very little difference between satanism, Mormonism and any other cult. They all depend of falsehoods and are satanically inspired. Part of the Mormon Temple ceremony which was borrowed from freemasonry involved repetitious worship of satan in hebrew. That part has been taken out recently, but freemasonry at it's truest and highest level is revealed as satanism, see my article on Freemasonry. And remember Mormonism's Temple ceremonies and teachings come directly from freemasonry. Joseph Smith and brigham Young were worshipful Masters in freemasonry. Don't believe me? just check your Mormon underwear for the embroidered masonic symbols.
From An anonymous ' Morm' What in the world do you have against Mormons? I am a Mormon, I have been my entire life, my Mormon ancestry goes nack to the 1840s. I read your exposing mormonism stuff and its a bunch of bull-pucky.
(***Shaun Answers***: They all accuse me of lieing, but never produce one shred of evidence!, they never research the sources listed, so I wonder who's head is full of "bull-pucky" (whatever that is?!)
From Bob Masserli: Your page about Freemasonry is such piece of garbage that I do not believe anyone would ever want or seek permission to reproduce your article. Since you are not a Mason you have absolutely no real knowledge of Masonry and speak in total ignorance about the subject! email@example.com
Garbage? No one would want it? Seems you are in complete darkness there my friend I get more requests from colleges, Churches and individuals to reproduce that article than any other article on the site. As I also get sooo many e-mails from Freemasons to remove the page because it 'tells too much' that they would prefer to remain secret!.
Here for instance is a series of e-mails I recieved from an ex Catholic who is now a Freemason
From Ricardo Madrazo(firstname.lastname@example.org)
Question: "Have you received permission to reveal these masonic secrets? I highly doubt it.
As far as I'm aware, most Masonic writings are not copyrighted from my research but are 'protected' by the oaths of those to whom they are given.
***********************Ricardo Madrazo Replies: **********
I Ask again, do you have permission to reproduce the Masonic texts and quotes you have on your website?. If not I would advise you to remove them ASAP or I will be forced to write a letter of complaint to Geocities to have your site taken down for publishing hatered
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To answer your question again, no I haven't recieved permission to reveal these secrets. Do you think the freemasons would be happy to have these secrets revealed? I think not!. It's the same with exposing the works of darkness in all cults, you'll get people who try to get your site removed, claim it's a 'hate crime', 'lies' and so fourth. I get bombarded daily with threatening and hate mail, mostly by Mormons. But not one group has yet been able to show that I am publishing lies or fabrications (a challenge I am always open to) or infringing on copyright. The purpose of the site is to help those in darkness come to Christ (2 Corinthians 6:14-18). Many cult victims (that includes Masons) think they are Christians following Christ already, but unfortunately have fallen for a deception, a false christ. Jesus warned that many false christs would come after Him (Matthew 24:24, Mark 12:22, and in this day and age that is as true as when He said it. In closing, I quote the Apostle Paul's words to the church at Ephesus:
Ephesians 5:11-14 "Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said:"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
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No, I don't think freemasons would be happy with you revealing these things. That was the cause of my original email to you. The >problem with your website is actually twofold:1) You are publishing, without authorization, secrets that were not revealed to you personally, but rather texts which you gathered in a profane way from various sources (also without authorization). 2) The real underlying trouble is not really with the content of the texts which you chose to publish, but rather with your skewed interpretation of them. You are writing from a very biased christian viewpoint. You have no context with which to measure and compare these texts, thus it is an easy conclusion for somebody like you, blinded by christian dogma, to interpret them as satanic, occult or as part of a religious sect. You really have no business opining on the matters of freemasonry if you've not been exposed to their philosophy and context in a first-person experience; just as I'd have no business opining on christian dogma that I've not been exposed to. You are trying to interpret different philosophies using only one lens, that of modern western christianity; that will obviously lead to misrepresentation and misinterpretation of facts and texts. I think you should dedicate more time to finding your own path to God and less to the salvation of others. I hear the Great Architect of the Universe really frowns on self-proclaimed saviours of souls. There are as many paths to His Glory as there are human souls. I was born and raised Catholic; upon reaching adulthood I realized this faith didn't work for me, as it was too despotic, rigid, totalitarian and dogmatic. So I kept walking along my path and found other spiritual roads that better fit what my soul tells me is the Truth (at least my own truth). These roads include Gnosticism and Freemasonry. Now, I'm not here to evangelize anybody (which it seems to me is your self-appointed duty), but rather to just let you know that some things work for some, and some for others. I'm also here to ask you in a nice polite manner to please remove the secret masonic texts from your website, as their lack of context renders them deceptive. One of Jesus' supreme teachings was love and tolerance; and unfortunately, the gravest mistake many christians make is to exclude all other faiths, proclaiming that the only path to salvation is through Jesus Christ. We live in difficult, confusing times; times that require we become more tolerant, not more closed and extremist and dogmatic. Times that also require that we re-think, re-frame and re-evaluate many of the things we've believed all our lives and have accepted as fact. And while I'm at it, I'd like to recommend you read a book: (http://www.jesusmysteries.demon.co.uk). Take care.
Thank you for your reply and honesty in eventually revealing your purpose in writing. I can understand where you are coming from now and am willing to answer some questions your e-mail throws up.
1. If you look at my cult encyclopedia you will see by the Biblical standard Catholocism per se is not quite Christian (though I do believe there are some Christians in the catholic church despite it's teachings). So unfortunately your understanding of Christianity isn't what Christianity realy is. I also was raised a Catholic and have much first hand experience of it. Christianity isn't a dogmatic opressive patriarchy, but a living loving walking talking relationship with our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, who IS God, and the joy of the indwelling Holy Spirit.
2. I have many friends who are ex-Masons who have (all seperately) told me what they have been through. Their stories collaberate even though some have never met eachother, and for that matter, some are not Christians either. I too have been inside and visited many lodges around the world (New york, Singapore, Dublin to name but a few), spoken to active freemasons, have their writings as source material and am not misquoting, skewing nor speaking out of ignorance.
3. God's Word the Bible gives what is called "The Great Commission" to all believers in Christ to bring the good news or Gospel to the to all the world, not ram it down peoples throats though!. Jesus says He is God, and the only way to the Father, not 'a way', but the ONLY WAY. I as a Christian follow Jesus' teachings and am not a self appointed, but commissioned by God's Holy Spirit, through His Word, the Bible, as are all Christians to bring the Good News to all the world. If you consider me self appointed, please remember I am also an ordained minister of the Gospel, ordained by Calvary Christian Church, Singapore
4. If you knew anything about Jesus at all (which unfortunately it appears you don't being raised a Catholic, and thus not well aquainted with His teachings or the Bible), you would know Jesus supreme teachings wasn't love and tollerance. On close examination, He warned more about Hell and expounded on the kingdom of heaven. Certainly He displayed God's sacrifical love by dying on the cross for sinners like me and you, as well as teaching about sharing, which is love in action. As for tollerance He showed none whatsoever to those who were bringing false gospels, false teachings, traditions or man made religion. He called those who were leading people away from God or to a false interpertation of God "Hypocrytes", "Sons of the Devil" "Blind leaders blinding others and leading them to hell" "Whitewashed sepulchures full of dead men's bones" and so fourth. He cried over Jerusalem, over those who were being led astray from God by false teachers, as is my heart having seen the results of what cults can do (which includes killing and suicide). He also said He didn't come to bring peace, but a sword. He goes on to say following Him would turn fathers against sons and sons against fathers same for daughters against mothers. If you don't believe me, don't take my word for it, read Jesus' own words in the Bible Matthew chapter 10 verses 32 to 42.
5. I have not always been a Christian. When I got fed up of the hypocracy of catholocism, it's abuse of power, fear instilling and it's false christianity, I too walked away from what I thought was supposed to be from God. I studied and immersed myself in Gnosticism, eastern religions, science, communism and the occult. I didn't see them through 'Christian lenses', but I did see through their blatant inconsistancies. I read and studied many gnostic texts (historical as well as modern, including alledgely surpressed gospels), many books apparently showing the 'faults of christianity'. Well praise God my eyes were opened and I came into contact with real intelligent Christians, not some group from a cult or one denomination, but Christians who knew what real Christianity is. They are spread across many churches and do not belong to any one denomination, but follow Christ in the church they are in, as long as it teaches the truth as is taught in God's Word the Bible.
So you see Ricardo, I am not a narrow minded, ignorant and can only see through 'Christian lenses', but have a wider vision and love for those who are walking in darkness. My love is displayed in the putting up signs on the 'information superhighway' warning those that pass that way they are in danger, and giving directions as to how to find the right and only way. I do not hate anyone, but love all. My love is that I am willing to stick my neck or arm out and try to reach others who are heading blindly down the path to hell. Most times I am attacked and threatened for what I do, but it doesn't discourage me, I know those who do so, do so in ignorance. But persistant love will prevail I pray. God's Word says it is far better to do something than stand with your arms folded and do nothing. I know freemasonry and many other cults are wrong, but standing there and doing nothing would be the most wickedest thing anyone could do. reaching out and warning in love, presenting the facts is the most loving thing I can do, and will continue to do.
As for your polite request, sorry I must refuse, I will not remove the page on Freemasonry. It has helped many, and will continue to do so. I will continue to research and develop the page further. I pray this e-mail will clarify things for you, and that you too will one day come to Christ and embrace Him in love and thankfulness for your salvation. Yours Sincerely
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