Sorry, but dont get confused....this page is from the other girl who used to have the site...not from us...sorry! we would delete it, but its to good to delete...

"Out of all the emails I recieve, most of the emails supporting Avril are just lame but a few of them stand out, becuz they actually have some thought put into them(rather then "Avril roxxors mayn, you suck!) This section is to remind ppl to keep open minded and look at other points of view."

To: antiavril@pez.net
From: "el uno" <*@*.org>
Subject: anti avril/labels.
Date: 20 Sep 2002 06:18:55 -0000

You're all so obsessed with the punk scene, and what others DON'T know about it... I'm wondering if any of you do. Of course, I mean the site owner. Not her minions. It goes like this, for the unaware: it is "cool" to be "uncool." You're all just jacked about the punk scene because it was "YOURS" and now you have to share. Being real is not about being punk because you know what anarchy is, or just because you like the music and actually understand the "movement." No. Being real, whether it's punk, goth or any other label, is about doing it, even if you disdain the fact that people like Avril have popularized it, provided that you want to. And that's what I mean. You do it because you want to. Not because of someone else. And you don't stop doing it because someone "plagiarized" your "style." It's the exact same thing as Kurt Cobain. I'm not talking about musical talents. That's a non-issue (so it seems). Kurt Cobain popularized grunge; he didn't make it, fer chrissakes. Avril can be considered a pseudo-punk modern Kurt Cobain. And as for labels... well, you know what they're for? If there were no labels, how would you be able to make your Avril hate sites? What would you call her? Punk is just like fuckin' elephant. It's a label. They are there so we can communicate and have an understanding as to what we're talking about. Labels equal the birth of communication, so to speak.

-emilie

To: "Anti Avril"
From: "el uno" <*@*.org>
Subject: Re: anti avril/labels.
Date: 21 Sep 2002 17:29:51 -0000

Some people can be stupid, when it comes to discussing certain things. It's as if they don't understand that everyone has a different opinion. And that it is an impossibility for anyone, anywhere to agree 110% of the time.

Which reminds me of something else to do with "posers." My brother, who's 34 said that if there weren't posers, then everyone would be bickering 100% of the time. Because you know how, say, kids in school are when they see someone different than them? How they poke fun at them? Well, poser-ed-ness brings us together in the sense of having (insert label here) in common.

Which, if you ask me, is true. But, heres another thought: Way back when Lewis Caroll wrote Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, he used photograph naked little girls. With their mothers permission, of course. (Anyway, that's what it says in the intro. I don't imagine it'd "lie.") This was in the 1800s, right.

If you think about NOW, we've declined. No one in their right mind would lend their wee baby 10 yr old girl to some guy, even if they knew him well. And that's due to a certain lack of trust. I'm not blaming either party in particular, but it's everyones fault.

So, now, that in relation to posers is this: you've ALL twisted it fucked it around. It's like the telephone game, or whatever. Where you sit in a circle with six people, and say something about yourself, and by the time it gets back to you, it's something completely different.
Now, you're all so caught up in it, and it's so dire, the situation has taken on an ameircanesque vibe. And it's bad. The only way to fix it is to realize this.

-emilie

To: "Anti Avril"
From: "el uno" <*@*.org>
Subject: Re: anti avril/labels.
Date: 21 Sep 2002 18:48:29 -0000

Yeah, she has an atttitude problem, that's for certain. Which is all part of her thing. Maybe it's not so much that she thinks she's punkrock, but more like her managers and such gave her that certain look. You know, kind of like the backstreet boys or o-town. They're manufactured. Avril may actually have decided that she liked her new self, thus adopted the attitude/look. But, in the beginning, it was likely just for money.

Kind of like Marilyn Manson. He is weird, yes. But, I don't think he goes around acting the way he does for the public, in his 'real life.'

I had this thought. Brian Molko supposedly is a total druggie. My friend said to me one time, 'what if he isn't? what if it's a conspiracy? and the government are the actual ones doing all the drugs.' I said that perhaps that's the case, but wouldn't that make Molko straight-edge? And if he were sXe, wouldn't he be totally anal about it all? I mean, they'd be PAYING him to lie and say he's into crack. A lot of place-bows songs are drug-related. And if he were sXe, he wouldn't do it.

But, then I remembered Marilyn Manson. He is fuckin' smart. He knows a lot. Which (probably) means that ALL famous people, hardcore rockers or not, are paid to lie. It's sad, but it's probably true. You just can't trust anything that these fuckers say/do. It's all a scam to get money. Sure, some of them are a little less fake than others (this, by the way, is in every and any aspect other than that of musical talent... that's just the icing on the cake, in my opinion.), but the fact remains that they are not to be trusted.

God knows what is going on in Avrils mind. She could like Britney Spears, she could not. Either way, it's all just a show. To get her rich. Because she obviously has some talent, otherwise no one would sign her, would they? And that's purely based on taste. Some like NiN, some like classical orchestra. It all depends on what you like. And what you don't like, too. It's just, you shouldn't listen to that which you don't like.

-emilie

To: AntiAvril@pez.net
From: ********@aol.com
Subject: hi
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 00:44:00 EDT

Ok, I totally respect everyone's opinion, because everyone is entitled to their own, and everyone has the right to say what's on their mind. And that goes to you, me, and Avril Lavigne. I think you are a total hypocrite (along with every other Avril-Hater) for dissing on her for dissing on other artists.) You can't get away with saying how she's such a *whatever* or she said *this* and then tell her she sucks. You are doing the exact same thing. Not all celebrities have to be nice. And Britney Spears does dress like a fricken' skank. So by saying that Avril is a biznatch because she disses on Britney, that's wrong. Famous people are like everyone else, except with 10 cars and hella money, so they, too, can say whatever the fricken A they want to. I think it's really funny that your totally dissing on her when you've never met her. Maybe she's acting like a bitch just for the hell of it. Maybe she really gives all her money to the Ronald McDonald House. Who knows? You don't, I don't. I'm not trying to say that what your saying is wrong, but you sound like a total hypocrite and all your doing is bitching about Avril and how she's a poser. Did any of us know her before she became famous? Maybe she really can skate, or maybe she just tries and likes it. Either way, I don't think any of us should be bitching about how much we hate her because she isn't "punk" because she's a "poser." Anyway, why does it bug you so much in the first place? If you really didn't care, you woulnd't have some trash-talkin' website. If you really didn't care, you wouldn't even talk about it in the first place. As you can't judge a book by its cover, don't judge Avril from the outside either. ~Brennan

To:
From: "[.princess.] [.leetah.]"
Subject: Dont overlook this
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:42:16 -0600

okay, please dont over look this as one of those ''avril rocks!'' emails.. because i'm neutral.. not anti avril, nor pro avril.

1. We dont even know her. I so agree.. her image is exaggerated.. maybe she was a punk before she got into stardom.. but i think now she's altered her image to fit what the music buyers will like.. mainstream shit. she doesnt really claim to be so called punk.. listeners, anti- avril-ers, deamed her that. because she decides to wear clothes other than what most teens choose to wear, she's punk? if your punk, it doesnt mean you have to sing punk, or play punk. yeah, you like punk, but you like to sing girly songs too.. oh my god, what a horror. in one way, if her true personality is shown through what we see on tv, i relate to her. she doesnt wanna be pushed around, she doesnt fucking care about anything.. whats wrong with that? she's not our first bad-ass girl in music. She can sing, she knows it. She decided to make a ''career'' of it, of which we have no idea how long it'll last. And about her lyrics, okay, you decided to just pick out HER lyrics? That, of all, i think is lame. Firstly, because half the mainstream shit everyone listens to has fucked up lyrics.. but the song and melody is still good.. listen to ANYONE's lyrics, and you'll see, not all of them make sense. If your going to have a going arguement over this, pick out something that isnt seen all the time. Also, you dont know if she wrote those lyrics at all.. she could have written them, and had some guy help edit them.. whoopdeedoo.. I also heard an arguement about how in her video "Complicated" she was making ballerinas seem bad, and blah blah blah, first of all, she's not saying ''FUCK ALL BALLERINAS, THEY'LL ALL HAVE KIDS AT AN EARLY AGE'' ... she's giving an example and such.. not trying to impose anything more than what she's experienced. if everyone picked on all other musicians lyrics like they do hers, there would be no mainstream. So what if she has drawn on tattoos, i mean god, if i didnt wanna get a tattoo because i knew, that once i got it, i'd change my mind, i'd do the same thing. She's not saying its a real tattoo. It seems to me that most people dont like her because she's so called punk, and she's got a few hit songs.. she's different than what most people know, so as human instinct, they fight it. the reject it. its pathetic! I'm sick of people saying other music is stupid or gay.. because they havent heard it before.. its music.. its the same as what you listen to.. but sounds different. I have her CD, i like it, i listen to it, i like the lyrics, i like her voice.. this does not conclude my arguement on anti-anti- avril, because i could go on way more than this.. It's pathetic, because she got hooked into the mainstream, and people dont like her because of her image and the mainstream dont fit. i regret the fact that she's brought our whole punk look onto tv.. its a craze, all these lame ass preps are wearing ties and spikes.. its pathetic, why is it that everyother group besides preps start fashion off, then the preps take over? People are pissed because she's a bitch.. she swears all the time.. she acts like a bitch, flips people off.. but think of this.. everyone is different! not all punk are assholes, not all punks are angels... your picking out the average and making it a big deal.. so what if she decides to flip people off all the time.. Closing arguement... dont believe in all you hear. Its pathetic, ooh, she doesnt like avril... so nor do i.. the anti-avril craze is just as big as avril herself. dont judge by what her image is.. judge her image, not her.

but i must move on to the opposing opinion. 2. Yes.. she is making punk a fashion. that, i dont like, because now we have all these preps & goodie goodies listening to avril lavigne, green day, good charlotte, new found glory and such... and thinking they're all badass and punk. punks dont stick to mainstream crap.. we listen to the underground stuff, before they were famous, we still listen to nirvana and sex pistols.. She over exaggerates her image. Like perfume, she's putting it on too strongly so that you get sick of it. If she the badass she claims to be, she wouldnt be going all around flaunting it.. she's flaunting it for attention.. so she'll get the record sales. Sure, i'm considered a badass.. but i dont go on a camera and flip it off.. Her videos are cheesie.. but what else? she wants to make money, go for what people like.. if you were to make a real punk video, it wouldnt sell. This appeals to people more, like i said, people dont like what they dont know. I really dont see why people deamed her punk anyways? because she fits the cliche? hell, half the kids dont even know what the fuck a cliche is. I dont have much of an arguement here.. but all goes

To: antiavril@pez.net
From: simon jones
Subject: a wee rant
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:23:17 -0800 (PST)

ok firstly i dont think avril is really manufactured because she demo'd her songs and a producer picked up on her and helped record her album and co wrote some songs. avril is a good singer and does sing and her band plays live.

on the clothing side of things. what a load of bollocks. so what if she looks punk. i have the punky sort of look. red spiked hair, peircings and tattoos. but i don't really like the punk music scene. not my thing. i don't think the way a person dresses should define thier whole character, she wears what shes comfortable in and so do i. and all this nonsense about punk being sold out. don't make me laugh. punk sold out when the clash and the sex pistols signed their first record deals.

also i don't think i've ever read that avril has ever said her music is punk. yeah she said she looks punk but the music is th efurthest thing away from punk you can get. let people choice what to wear when they want and as the old saying goes.. you can't jusdge a book by its cover.

and yes i have way too much free time i'm a university student. simon