This Analysis Format Originated 23 March 1996
last update: 31 August 1996

Time Based Testimony Analysis

The testimony presented here has been reformated for consistancy of sequence and subject.
Prior to completion of these pages, we expect to intersplice links to the specific "in context" testimony. At present, there are space constraints which prohibit this approach.

1430 Kato & Simpson talk

PETROCELLI: And what did he tell you about Paula?
KATO: There was a conversation about Paula that he thought that Paula wasn't the one, that she was a bit upset about not going to this recital that was coming up. O.J. said it was kind of like this family thing and he didn't want her to go, and so he was talking about that. She took it hard, and that's what I know of that.
PETROCELLI: When he told you that Paula took it hard because O.J. would not let her go to the dance recital, what, if anything, did you say?
KATO: I think I probably said. "She's probably in love with you and"--that's the impression I got, that Paula was in love with him and I think wanted to have kids with him.
PETROCELLI: And what, if anything, did O.J. Simpson say?
KATO: That he already had his kids and all that; not sure if she was the one for that. You know, he didn't want kids, and he didn't think he was going to marry her.
PETROCELLI: Where were you and Mr. Simpson when you had this discussion?
KATO: In the breakfast nook area. It's not the front door. There's also a door to the side of the front door. It would be here in this picture (Indicating).
PETROCELLI: Can you tell me any other conversation that you had again in that afternoon before the dance recital?
KATO: I think there was talk about the playoff games. There was the Knicks-Houston game. I think something came up about the score of the game or who won the game--
PETROCELLI: Let me go back to golf for a minute. Let me read something from your interviews with Eliot.
"So I had seen O.J. back from the golf game and went into the main house. He was sitting on the--he had a foursome. I know one of the guys was a Craig Baumgarten that he had mentioned they had got into a little verbal fight. I think it was bad shooting or O.J. had a bad shot, or I don't know the exact reason for the fight." Does that refresh your recollection as to whether Mr. Simpson told you about a fight with Craig on the golf course?
KATO: Like I--I don't know if that was from a news item or that he had said that, but something with that sticks out in my mind. What I remember is what I had said, if it's TV or if O.J. said it, but I knew there was some story about that.
PETROCELLI: Did he tell you that he was leaving town?
KATO: I think it came up that he had to do packing and was taking a red eye flight.
PETROCELLI: He told you in this early afternoon conversation that he had to take a red eye flight?
KATO: Yes.
PETROCELLI: What was O.J. Simpson wearing when you had that conversation with him in the afternoon of June 12?
KATO: I believe it was white shorts and a sport top and tennis shoes. That's what I recollect in my mind.
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1500 Recital {deposition day 8 - phone msgs}
SIMPSON: At the time it was just based on trying to give information that -- what I thought I knew at the time. I was trying to let them know what I felt I knew at the time, and I was inaccurate. That's an inaccurate statement. I did not check my messages. I did check my machine at my home, and there was no message from Paula, and she never called my machine and left me a message at home.
BREWER: You just made a statement to me that if you check the phone bill, you would know that you didn't check your messages. Do you remember that statement?
SIMPSON: Partially, yes. I was surprised that I didn't, because it seems to me that I normally will call my car phone, and I was surprised that I didn't.
BREWER: Okay. When you say you're "surprised that you didn't," are you talking about an occasion where you reviewed your phone bill relative to cell phone charges and looked at what calls you made that evening?
SIMPSON: No. It went further back than that. It went to when Paula told me she had left a message, and since I knew I had never received a message, at that point in time I realized I must have never picked up any messages from her.

At Recital
BY MR. KELLY: When you got to the recital on June 12th, did you already have a ticket in hand for that?
SIMPSON: No.
KELLY: Okay. How did you get your ticket to get into the recital?
THE WITNESS: My son grabbed me, brought me over to Nicole, and I asked Nicole for the ticket.
KELLY: Did you speak to Nicole at all during the recital?
SIMPSON: Other than asking for the ticket, no.
KELLY: Okay. Do you recall there being a break during the recital?
SIMPSON: Possibly.
KELLY: Okay. And you didn't speak to Nicole at that time, did you? When you sat down at the recital, you indicated that the kids were between you and Nicole?
SIMPSON: Actually Justin was in my lap most of the time instead of his seat, and then they were--you know, the boys, they were running around.
KELLY: Could you tell me how many seats were between you and Nicole?
SIMPSON: Two.
KELLY: Did you ever go sit somewhere else after a while? You stayed in that same seat the entire recital?
SIMPSON: I went and got my--I stood for a while at the entry when I came back from getting flowers.
KELLY: "Now" you gave Sydney flowers at the recital. Was that in the school?
SIMPSON: Outside.
KELLY: And you had your picture taken with Sydney. Was that in the school?
SIMPSON: Outside.
KELLY: And how much time would you say you spent with Sydney at the recital?
SIMPSON: Well, they were back and forth from the seats, so whatever time they were with us at the seats and--you know, so whatever time that was.
KELLY: I think you indicated the recital ended about 6:30, quarter of 7:00?
SIMPSON: That's a total guess, yes.
KELLY: Okay. And you were there on time
SIMPSON: I was there five or seven minutes after 5:00, you know, 10 minutes after 5:00 maybe.
KELLY: And for that whole approximately hour and a half you never spoke to Nicole?
SIMPSON: No, other than, as I told you before, we kinda looked at each other when Sydney was dancing and, you know, acknowledged that she was beautiful to one another.
KELLY: That was acknowledged with a look back and forth?
SIMPSON: Yeah, we both -- I kinda mouthed she was beautiful, and Nicole was, you know, smiling, and you know, "She's gorgeous" or something. I don't know, it was just--acknowledged that our daughter was beautiful.

Petrocelli: What did he say to you at the recital?
Fischman: We didn't talk much. I actually -- when he -- he came, he kissed everybody, you know, Judy and Denise, you know, and then he sat back and I asked him, "You look tired," and he said that he's been all over. He was in New York, and he's gonna go to Chicago. He's gonna take a red eye to Chicago.
Petrocelli: He told you all that at the time --
Fischman: Yeah, he said he's just tired, you know.
Petrocelli: Did he have a tired expression on his face?
Fischman: Yes, he did look tired.
Petrocelli: Where did he sit relative to Nicole?
Fischman: They were about four seats, three seats away from each other, because the kids were -- there were a lot of kids, too, in and out of that. We were trying to give room for the kids, too, so... They were four seats apart.

Petrocelli: Okay. And when you were at the recital, did you speak to your husband at all?
Fischman: Yeah, we spoke. I even told him to take the pictures of Sydney and O.J.
Well, because, you know, I thought it would be nice to have a father and son picture because Nicole -- Sydney looked so cute in that.
Because Nicole at that time wasn't even there. She was running around. She had her own camera. I don't know where she was. She was back and forth. You know, the recital, we were back and forth, in the backstage, you know, back -- I mean, there were a lot of kids.
Petrocelli: Now, reading from your statement to Michael Viner, et al., concerning the recital, you said:
"Nicole was in the back with Justin. O.J. was like all the way in the back and he was -- he was -- he looked you know, so tired and really -- he felt so sad because the whole family was there. And, um, I actually, um, told Ron at that time I was going to take a picture of Sydney and Justin and Sydney and O.J. That picture has been -- everybody wanted that picture to the point where Shapiro wanted it, Marcia Clark wanted it, but that was the -- that was the last picture." Okay. Do you recall making those statements?
Fischman: Yeah, that was the last picture, yes.
Well, from -- I mean, you could see -- tired and sad is -- I felt bad too, because at the time, too, Ron and I were fighting, so it was a manifestation of my feeling of loneliness, too.
Well, when I looked at him, he did look sad because he was all the way at the corner.

KELLY: And when you made the call that evening about 8:45 to Sydney, Nicole didn't say a word to you?
SIMPSON: No. Not that I know of. She may have said, "I'll get her," you know, something mundane, but there was no conversation. {I asked} "Is Sidney still up," I might have said, or, "Is Sydney asleep," or, "Is she still up," or something.
KELLY: Okay. I think you also indicated, by the quick response you got by Sydney picking up the phone, you got the impression that Nicole was in Sydney's bedroom with her?
SIMPSON: Or vice versa. Maybe Sydney was in bed with Nicole, which is quite normal.

BY MR. COCHRAN: APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME WAS IT WHEN YOU TOOK THIS DOG IN THAT AREA DEPICTED THERE ON DEFENDANT'S 1044?
THE WITNESS: AROUND 7:00, 7:10.
BY MR. COCHRAN: AND THEN AFTER THAT HOW LONG WERE YOU OUT IN THE BACK PART OF THE HOUSE, IF YOU RECALL, WITH THE DOG?
LOPEZ: ABOUT TWENTY MINUTES BECAUSE I PLAY WITH THE DOG.
COCHRAN: WAS THIS PART OF YOUR DUTIES ON SUNDAY?
LOPEZ: YES.
COCHRAN: AND THEREAFTER, AFTER YOU FINISHED PLAYING WITH THE DOG, WHERE DID YOU NEXT GO, MISS LOPEZ?
LOPEZ: TO MY ROOM.
Answers why bed cover was rumpled

Humm where does this fit?
KELLY: And as of June 1994, did you know what Elvia's schedule was?
SIMPSON: No.
KELLY: As of June 1994, what was Gigi's schedule?
SIMPSON: She worked during the week and was off on weekends.
KELLY: Okay. She would return Monday morning?
SIMPSON: I don't know. I'm not sure. I think sometimes she may have come back Sunday night. I'm not sure, though.
When does he drive the Bronco?
KELLY: Okay. And you would normally park your Bronco on Ashford, I believe you indicated.
SIMPSON: Yeah. I mean I parked it on both streets, but Ashford would be normally the street I parked it on.
KELLY: Okay. And I think you also indicated that you would normally drive the Bronco?
SIMPSON: Well, I drove it a lot when I could, but, you know, I drove both cars probably equally as much.
KELLY: Okay. Mother's Day weekend when you drove down to Laguna, which car did you drive?
SIMPSON: I'm pretty sure it would have been the Bentley.
KELLY: On the June 11th night when you went to the formal affair with Paula, which car did you drive?
SIMPSON: I'm sure it was the Bentley.
KELLY: On June 12th when you went to the recital, which car did you drive?
SIMPSON: I believe it was the Bentley.
KELLY: On June 12th when you went to the McDonald's with Kato, which car did you drive?
SIMPSON: I believe it was the Bentley.

KELLY: Does the Rockingham gate close automatically once it's been opened?
SIMPSON: Yes.

1830 Recital Ends
Simpson: It ended about 6:30, quarter to seven, something like that, you know, in the ballpark, right in that area. And they took off.
Simpson: Right about that time. We were all leaving. We were all leaving then. Her mother said something about me joining them for dinner, and I said no thanks.
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1905 to Paula Barbieri
Kaelin Defines Simpson's demeanor for Grand Jury:
KAELIN: HE SAID, "SHE WAS WONDERFUL, BEAUTIFUL," AND HE WAS PROUD OF HER.
CLARK: TELL ME HOW HE WAS BEHAVING. DID HE SEEM AGITATED? UPSET? NERVOUS?
KAELIN: NO; NONCHALANT.
CLARK: RELAXED?
KAELIN: YES.
What would change it? Prosecution never addressed this. Instead the misrepresented Simpson's mood at recital. A fact demonstrated by the video tape.
NOTE: "Good-Natured" It comports well with the video.
CLARK: DID HE MAKE ANY MENTION TO YOU OF NICOLE AT THAT TIME?
KAELIN: IN A GOOD-NATURED SORT OF WAY, HE HAD MENTIONED WHO -- SHE WAS WITH GIRLFRIENDS, I BELIEVE, NO NAMES, I DON'T KNOW WHO; THAT HE WAS WONDERING IF THEY WERE GOING TO AGE GRACEFULLY AND WHAT KIND OF OUTFITS THEY WERE GOING TO BE WEARING.
IT WAS ABOUT WEARING TIGHT-FITTING CLOTHES, IN REFERENCE -- GOOD NATURED, CAN'T YOU WEAR THAT IF THE -- WHEN SHE'S GOING TO BE OLDER, JOKING, LIKE WEARING TIGHT-FITTING CLOTHES, GOOD NATUREDLY, LIKE A GRANDMA.
CLARK: WHEN YOU SAY, "GOOD NATUREDLY," THAT'S WHAT HE WAS ACTING LIKE?
WAS HE LAUGHING?
KAELIN: YEAH; JOKING, LAUGHING.

Petrocelli: When you walked into the Ashford gate, getting out of your car after basketball, and you walked through the kitchen door-- Are you with me?
--did you run into the Bronco in the driveway?
Kaelin: I do not remember seeing the Bronco. I do not remember seeing it.
In the driveway.
Simpson: ...and I came home, and then I called Paula as I was going to her house, and Paula wasn't home.
{I called from} In the Bronco, 'cause my phone was in the Bronco. And because it's a Bronco. It's a Bronco, it's what I drive, you know. I'd rather drive it than any other car. And, you know, as I was going over there, I called her a couple of times and she wasn't there, and I left a message, and then I checked my messages, and there were no new messages. She wasn't there, and she may have to leave town. Then I came back and ended up sitting with Kato.
Actions {Deposition Day 8}
BREWER: Now, the first call you made to Paula Barbieri after the recital, just answering that question, was at 10:03. Is that true?
SIMPSON: I don't believe so. I believe I tried her once I got home from the recital.
BREWER: And your testimony during this deposition was that you had begun walking out to your car, and before you even reached your car you decided that you were not going to drive down to Paula Barbieri's. Is that true?
SIMPSON:At the time I was running two days together, but I did call her as I was going to her house. I tried her on my phone at home. I gather there was -- her machine was on. And at that point if she wasn't home, I didn't -- I couldn't--I didn't know where to go find Paula. I've never found Paula anywhere except at her house, so I decided not to go. Well, as I told you, I was putting a few things together, a few nights were running together, Saturday night, Sunday night was running together, and if you look at my cell phone records, you will see at roughly this time on Saturday, as I was going to Paula's house, I called her. So there were -- I hadn't slept, and last night was whatever night it was to me, and the nights were running together to me at this time. I was very tired, and they {Vannatter & Lange} were concerned about me being tired because they mentioned it a few times to me. I said I wanted to get out of there.
BREWER: And you never once asked them to stop to rest or ever indicate to them that you were tired. Is that true, sir?
SIMPSON: I think the way I was answering questions indicated to them, because at one point they asked me could I go on, and I said, "Yes, let's just get this over with."
BREWER: At any time on the 12th did you ever get in your car to go to Paula Barbieri's?
SIMPSON: No.
BREWER: Now, is this inaccurate because you were running the 11th and the 12th together in your mind?
SIMPSON: Partially, yes.
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1915 parks Bronco
Lange: And where did you park it when you brought it home?
Simpson: Ah, the first time probably by the mailbox. I'm trying to think, or did I bring it in the driveway? Normally, I will park it by the mailbox, sometimes...
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1920 Simpson & Kaelin Talk
Kaelin: Well, just that Sunday was--part of the day was when I was talking to O.J. about the recital. He had come back, and I believe I was coming back from basketball and he --I asked how the recital was, how Sydney was, and he said "Oh, it was great," and all that and that Nicole wasn't giving O.J. time with the kids and all that, and she was playing hardball with him with the kids and she can't do that.

Petrocelli: What did he {Kaelin} say?
Simpson: I don't remember. He asked me how was Nicole, and I said "She was gorgeous," and we talked about women, you know. I may have told him a little about what was going on. I may have told him a little bit about what was going on with these girls. I'm not sure. : I don't know. Something--I'm not sure, but I could have spoken to him about Cora and the women.
P: Did you tell him that you were upset that [l her dress was too short?
Simpson: No. I may have made a comment about women, these girls, in connection with the Tracy Adele being a businesswoman and these other girls relying on their sex appeal, wearing short skirts and stuff, and what are they gonna o when they get older, words to that effect.
P: When they're grandmas?
Simpson: Yes.
Kaelin: Well, just that Sunday was--part of the day was when I was talking to O.J. about the recital. He had come back, and I believe I was coming back from basketball and he --I asked how the recital was, how Sydney was, and he said "Oh, it was great," and all that and that Nicole wasn't giving O.J. time with the kids and all that, and she was playing hardball with him with the kids and she can't do that.
{Simpson talking about Nicole}
Kaelin: It was a comment like, "I don't know what she's gonna do when she's gonna be a grandma, I mean, she can't wear those kind of outfits when she's a grandma." I said, "What kind?" "It was a miniskirt." Then it was a comment about --
after that, it was about, "Those girls" -- O.J. made a comment about the outfit Nicole was wearing and the person she was with. So it was a comment about Nicole and that person saying, "How can they wear those outfits?" And "What outfits?" "They're wearing"--I said, "What outfits?" "Those miniskirts. What are they gonna do when they're grandmothers? They're gonna have to learn how to dress." It was--exact words, I don't know, but it was a comment about their outfits being miniskirts, kind of a club-wear for a recital. It was the wrong--it wasn't the appropriate thing to wear to a recital.
Well, it was like -- can I do it? It was kind of like (sound) "What are they gonna do when they're wearing these outfits when they're grandmas? I mean, it's a recital. Look what they're wearing."
Kaelin: This was before the recital {that, "that girl called back, [Name Deleted]"}. After the recital I went to ask him if I could take a jacuzzi, because I had played basketball--I ran and I played basketball, and I said "God, I'm sore," and all that. "Is it okay if I use the jacuzzi?"
I also asked how to use the jets because I didn't know how to use the jacuzzi itself.
I said. "How do you actually make the jets come out?" So I asked him. and he said there were some buttons, some buttons on the side, because I never had actually taken a jacuzzi.
Petrocelli: Had you ever even used his Jacuzzi as of June 11th?
Kaelin: I had swam in the pool-- It's connected, so I actually swam into it, but I never put it on.
Petrocelli:Q: Getting back to where I was, before June 12 had you ever used the jacuzzi?
Kaelin: No.
Petrocelli: Just so I rephrase that, because it was a little awkward, June 12, 1994 in the evening, after you took a jacuzzi and while you were in your room was the first time Mr. Simpson ever came to your room. Correct?
Kaelin: Correct.
Petrocelli: So the only other time he had ever been near your room is when he came through the interior office door to get the kids.
Kaelin: Yeah. The kids were with--you know, hanging out with me, and he came by the room.
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1932 Call to Gretchen
Petrocelli: Let me show you a telephone call at 7:32 p.m. on June 12 from your Rockingham residence to Lomita. This is Exhibit 40. Tell me if that's the call that you made to Stockdale.
P: No. That's one call you made to Stockdale. Were there other calls?
Simpson: Yes.
P: Who did you call?
Simpson: Christian Reichardt. Sydney Simpson. Maybe Michelle. I may have returned a call to Michelle. I'm not sure.
S: I began to pack before I made the phone calls to Sydney and Christian.
S: Pulled the Bronco in, took the golf clubs out, packed the golf clubs -- got my cover, packed my golf clubs into the cover, pulled the Bronco outside of the gate, and I believe I grabbed my phone at that point and ran back in.
P: When you pulled the Bronco out and parked it, you were able to get back in through the Rockingham gate before it closed?
S: Yes.
P: And that's when you took the cell phone out with you?
S: Yes.
P: But not the windbreaker or the cell phone case?
Simpson: No.

Prior to Kaelin's use of Jacuzzi, Simpson has moved the Bronco inside, removed his stuff, then parked on Rockingham:
Simpson: Eight-something, maybe. He hadn't done a Jacuzzi, we had...
From Police Statement on June 13th, 1994:
Lange: Where did you park yesterday for the last time, do you remember?
Simpson:Right where it is.
Lange: About what time was that?
Simpson: Eight-something, seven...eight, nine o'clock, I don't know, right in that area.
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1940 Kaelin takes Jacuzzi
Kaelin: I TOOK A JACUZZI.
Q: ABOUT WHAT TIME WAS THAT?
Kaelin: ABOUT 7:30, I'M GUESSING, 7:30, 7:45 I TOOK A JACUZZI.
Q: WHAT TIME DID YOU FINISH TAKING THE JACUZZI?
Kaelin: ABOUT 8:30.
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2000 Kaelin Forgets
Kaelin: When I went in the jacuzzi, I remember going into the jacuzzi that it was becoming dusk. So I remember that feeling of watching it become dark while I was sitting there. And it was June, so it was about 8:00 o'clock or so, 8:30, whenever it got dark, but I remember it going to darkness.
I had my basketball stuff on. I took off my tennis shoes by the jacuzzi and my socks, and I hopped in. I think I got a towel, too.
I think I got a towel out of my room, though. I believe I took a towel in.
After the jacuzzi I went back to my room, and I think I dried off. I might have rinsed off in the shower. I don't know. But I had dried, and I changed out of my shorts, and I got on the phone.
{This may impeach Simpson's Deposition Statement}
MR. COCHRAN: AND THEN DID THERE COME A TIME WHEN YOU WENT OUTSIDE THE HOUSE AGAIN.
MISS LOPEZ: I WENT OUTSIDE OF MY HOUSE AT 8:15.
COCHRAN: AND WITH REGARD TO THE TIMES THAT VARIOUS THINGS THAT HAPPENED THAT EVENING, DO YOU -- CAN YOU TELL THE COURT AND JURY HOPEFULLY HOW YOU KNEW WHAT TIME IT WAS AT VARIOUS TIMES?
MISS LOPEZ: BECAUSE I SAW THAT CLOCK THAT I HAVE ON MY NIGHT TABLE BY MY BED.
BY MR. COCHRAN: AND WHEN YOU SAW THAT CLOCK, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT TIME IT HAD?
Lopez: 8:05, 8:10, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
COCHRAN: AND DO YOU RECALL, MISS LOPEZ, HOW LONG YOU REMAINED OUT AT THAT LOCATION OUT IN FRONT OF THE SALINGER'S HOME ON ROCKINGHAM, HOW LONG YOU STAYED THERE?
Lopez: ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.
COCHRAN: DID YOU SEE ANY CARS PARKED.
THE WITNESS: THERE WAS A WHITE -- THERE WAS A WHITE CAR, A BRONCO.
COCHRAN: AND WHERE WAS THIS WHITE BRONCO PARKED AT THE TIME YOU SAW IT?
Lopez: AT 360 ROCKINGHAM.
COCHRAN: CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR THE COURT HOW THE BRONCO WAS PARKED?
Lopez: A LITTLE BIT CROOKED.
COCHRAN:WHERE WAS THE BRONCO PARKED IN RELATION TO THE PARK ON ROCKINGHAM STREET?
Lopez: A LITTLE -- A LITTLE BIT IN FRONT OF THE GATE.
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2030 Kaelin Calls Susan
Clark: WHO DID YOU CALL?
Kaelin: A FRIEND NAMED SUSAN.
Petrocelli: Who did you call?
Kaelin: I think --on Sundays I call my house a lot, my family in [City Deleted], and I called I believe a Susan Wilkinsen and I called my buddy, Tom O'Brian, and I believe it was--I think it was during the Tom call that O.J. came by the door and told me that I forgot to turn the jacuzzi jets off and-- "Hey, Kato, you done taking a jacuzzi?" And I said "Yeah." And he said, "Oh, you left the jets on," and so I-- {Tom O'Brian lived in San Diego. Susan Wilkinsen lived in Brentwood.}
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2045 The Jacuzzi Jets were on
2140 Time relative to Susan Call
Kaelin: After the first jacuzzi {conversation} --when he came by the jacuzzi, he left, and then he did come back, yes.
Petrocelli: Okay. And what was the interval of time between his two visits to your room.?
Kaelin: I think it was within 5 or 10 minutes. It seemed--
Clark: AND WHILE YOU WERE ON THE PHONE WERE YOU INTERRUPTED BY ANYTHING?
Kaelin: I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS DURING IT, BUT YES, O.J. CAME TO THE ROOM.
Clark: AND DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM?
Kaelin: YES.
Clark: WHAT WAS THE NATURE OF THAT CONVERSATION?
Kaelin: THAT I FORGOT TO TURN OFF THE JACUZZI.
Clark: HE BROUGHT THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION?
Kaelin: YES.
Clark: WHAT DID HE SAY ABOUT THAT?
Kaelin: "YOU FORGOT TO TURN OFF THE JACUZZI."
Petrocelli is in a quest for details -- and we learn about Simpson's clothes.
THE WITNESS: So he came to the door, and he had said, "Kato, you forgot to turn the jacuzzi jets off." So I was about to go out and go, "Oh, I'll turn them off." Then he goes. "No. I did it already."
Well. I felt bad because I had asked permission to do it, and I screwed up --I felt like I screwed up because I left the jets on. It was like a privilege I screwed up on.
He seemed tired at the time. "Hey, you left the jacuzzi jets on."
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2050 Simpson suggests a cookout
Kaelin:There was a thing--I think it was coming up at this part--where O.J. had mentioned on the walk going back to the house my friend Susan. He said "Let's get them back together for like another cookout," for a cookout and--when he comes back.
It was I think that jacuzzi trip when he came to the door, and it was kind of like when he was doing his walk back towards the house, and I had my head by the door and he said it. I didn't go outside my room.
Well, I was out the door, looking out, so my door was kind of open and me looking in that direction. I said. "Okay, I'll call."
BREWER: Now, you testified that you weren't in fact getting your phone: you were getting a case for your phone. Is that true?
SIMPSON: The case for my phone, the rest of my phone stuff, yes. Yes, the case and the rest of the stuff that goes with my cell phone.
BREWER: Okay. But when you used the term "phone, you already had your phone with you, didn't you?
SIMPSON: Yes. I believe it was already in my bag.
BREWER: Okay. So what you were telling the police was inaccurate. You didn't get your phone out of there; you were getting your phone case out of there?
SIMPSON: That's correct. {in the process touching...} Just opening a door and getting in the car normally, and you kinda use your hands, the steering wheel and the door thing. Yeah, I leaned in. I had to lean in and ended up getting it, and I ended up getting a jacket {a windbreaker on the back seat}.
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2055 Simpson Makes phone calls
Simpson has spoken to Nicole, Sydney, Christian, and possibly Michelle:
Simpson: Yes. I was--during the time I got home that was the case, but I spoke to them before I went to McDonald's. That was right before I went to McDonald's.
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2100 Faye Resnick Calls Nicole
Petrocelli: Okay. And who called whom on June 12 at around 9 o'clock p.m.?
Resnick: I called Nicole. I returned her phone calls.
I made that call from a phone booth in Exodus Recovery Center.
I asked her how the recital went and she said it was great. She focused on the kids the most, and the recital, the conversation regarding the recital. I asked her if she - if O.J. showed up and she said she did - he did. I asked her how she, what did she say to him and she said she told him to leave her alone, that he was not welcome in her family any longer, that he was not welcome to join them for dinner. She said he was in a deep, dark mood and she said that he had been trying to get a hold of her and she wasn't returning his phone calls, or that she wasn't talking to him. And she was - the rest of the conversation was just brilliant. She was just the happiest girl I had ever talked to. She was free. She said she was free. And she was. She was free of him for a very short period of time.
Mr. Leonard: How long did that telephone conversation last?
Resnick: Approximately 30 minutes, I would think.
Police had knowledge of call
exact time/duration can be established.
Petrocelli: When did you last speak to O.J. on the night of the murder?
Reichardt: About 9:00 o'clock that night.
Petrocelli: Who was the first person to ever ask you when you spoke to O.J. Simpson on the evening of June 12th?
Reichardt: The first person who ever asked me were the two detectives that came to my office and I had an interview with them.
Petrocelli: And are you aware of any evidence that exists that corroborates the time of 9:00 o'clock?
Reichardt: I'm sure that if the phone records would be asked for Mr. Simpson's phone number, it would be on there.

BREWER: Mr. Reichardt, I just have a few questions over the next few minutes. I want to focus your attention for a moment on the June 12th phone call.
Was it your understanding in talking with Mr. Simpson that he was packing at the time that you were having this phone call?
Reichardt: That's right. It might have been in the sense of I am getting my things together. Whether he is actually packing or moving around the house to get the things together, I don't know.
BREWER: You indicated when you had this telephone conversation with Mr. Simpson the television was on; isn't that correct?
Based upon your ability to heard the television over the telephone could you tell what volume it was at?
Reichardt: It was in the background.
BREWER: Was there anything about what you heard that enabled you to discern what room he was in at the time that you had the telephone conversation with him.
Reichardt: No.

While Nicole talks to Faye, Juditha Brown is calling Mezzaluna about her lost glasses and Rosa Lopez sees Simpson & Kaelin leave for McDonald's... she also claimed to see the Bronco when her friend Sylvia left.
{this offers a logical/factual problem. Has Petrocelli seen it? 05/08/96}
From Pavelic report to Shapiro: "SHORTLY AFTER HER -- HE LEFT, HER FRIEND SYLVIA CAME BY AND THEY HAD A CUP OF COFFEE. THEY SPENT TOGETHER APPROXIMATELY 10 TO 15 MINUTES AND MISS LOPEZ DROVE SYLVIA TO HER HOUSE A COUPLE OF MINUTES AWAY. WHEN SYLVIA OBSERVED SIMPSON'S BRONCO, SHE MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THE WAY IT WAS PARKED. MISS LOPEZ STATED THAT O.J. ALWAYS PARKS HIS CAR THAT WAY."

{Feb 27th} Time Error 2100 {9:00 PM} became 2000 {8:00 PM}
REPORT FROM PAVELIC TO SHAPIRO "MISS LOPEZ STATED THAT ON JUNE 12TH, 1994, AT APPROXIMATELY 2030 TO 2100 HOURS, SHE OBSERVED O.J. AND A PASSENGER DRIVE OFF IN HIS ROLLS ROYCE. SHE DISTINCTLY RECALLED SEEING SIMPSON'S BRONCO PARKED NEAR THE ROCKINGHAM GATE.
MISS LOPEZ STATED THAT AT APPROXIMATELY 2100 HOURS, SHE OBSERVED O.J. SIMPSON AND UNKNOWN PASSENGER DEPART THE ROCKINGHAM ESTATE IN MR. SIMPSON'S ROLLS ROYCE."
AND THEN SHE GOES ON TO SAY: "APPROXIMATELY 2000 TO 2030, WHILE O.J. WAS OUT, MISS LOPEZ HEARD A PROWLER WALKING NEAR THE RESIDENCE."

{Feb 27th} Cochran identified language based errors in report {possibly 2100 to 2000}.
REPORT FROM PAVELIC TO SHAPIRO "MISS LOPEZ STATED THAT ON JUNE 12TH, 1994 AT APPROXIMATELY 2000 TO 2030 HOURS, SHE OBSERVED O.J. SIMPSON'S BRONCO PARKED AT THE ROCKINGHAM GATE, DOT, DOT, DOT, DOT, DOT, AND THAT THE BRONCO REMAINED PARKED THERE UNTIL THE FOLLOWING DAY. MISS LOPEZ HAS SEEN THE BRONCO PARKED IN THE SAME SPOT ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. Tape of interview Played
DARDEN: WELL, WERE YOU LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW WATCHING?
LOPEZ: NO, SIR. I WENT OUT TO THE GUEST ROOM TO TURN ON LIGHTS.
DARDEN: AND YOU LOOKED OUT THE WINDOW AND YOU SAW MR. SIMPSON'S CAR PASS?
LOPEZ: YES, SIR.
DARDEN: YOU HEARD THE TAPE OF YOUR INTERVIEW WITH MR. PAVELIC, RIGHT? AND DID YOU HEAR YOURSELF STATE TO MR. BILL THAT YOU TOLD DETECTIVE FUHRMAN THAT YOU HEARD SOMEBODY TALKING FROM 9:00 O'CLOCK TO 11:00 O'CLOCK?
LOPEZ: YES, SIR.
Return Faye Resnick Call
2103 Kaelin Calls Tom O'Brien
BY MS. CLARK: YOU CAN SEE THE -- WHAT DOES THIS APPEAR TO BE, SIR?
A MY PHONE BILL.
Q AND CAN YOU TELL US, THERE IS A PORTION HERE HIGHLIGHTED INDICATING JUNE THE 12TH. THIS IS MILITARY TIME, 2103, WHICH IS 9:03 P.M. THERE IS SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA, AREA CODE 619 AND THE PHONE NUMBER THAT FOLLOWS. DO YOU RECOGNIZE THAT PHONE NUMBER?
A YES, THAT IS TOM'S NUMBER.
Q INDICATES THAT THE CALL WAS FOR EIGHT MINUTES. OKAY. 9:03, DOES THAT COMPORT WITH YOUR MEMORY AND HELP TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY EXACTLY WHAT TIME THAT CALL WAS PLACED?
A YES.

As Kaelin calls O'Brien, Simpson is on phone with Reichardt -- has Kaelin just left Simpson, or is there someone else in the house?

Petrocelli: And you get a phone call from O.J. Simpson. How many times did the phone ring, by the way?
Reichardt: Couple times. The phone was right next to the couch.
Petrocelli: You answered it. You said "Hello." What did he say?
Reichardt: He said, "Christian, how you doing? How you holding up? I heard about Faye. How you doing?"
Petrocelli: What did you say?
Reichardt: I said, "I'm hanging in there. I'm just sitting at home preparing myself for tomorrow."
Petrocelli: What did he say?
Reichardt: He says, "Good, you got to just hang in there." Kind of like that's the gist of the conversation.
And I think he asked somebody over his shoulder, which I believe now must be Kato, what the scores were during the day on the football day, and that he's going to Chicago and he's going to be back Wednesday and that we should get together for dinner, and that Paula has a couple friends that are really cute and that will be great if we get together.
Petrocelli: Meaning that you would be interested in Paula's friends?
Reichardt: Yeah, that Paula has some friends and that would be great to have dinner with a few people.
Petrocelli: What were the scores that he was asking Kato about?
Reichardt: I don't know. Must be football scores or -- That's why I said I assume it was Kato.
Petrocelli: What did he say to make you assume it was Kato?
Reichardt: Well, I found out later, which makes me assume now that it was Kato, knowing that Kato was there at the time, but it was somebody who was -- he was very familiar with, saying, "Hey, what were the scores today?"
Petrocelli: How did you find out it was Kato?
Reichardt: Now we know that Kato spent time with him that evening. At the time.
Isn't that what Kato says?
Petrocelli: News to me. I don't know that.
Reichardt: Well, they went out to have something to eat.
Petrocelli: Let me get this straight now. At the time what did you hear Mr. Simpson say to make you think he was talking to another person?
Reichardt: "What were the scores?" Obviously, the sound changed.
Petrocelli: What were the scores?
Reichardt: I don't know. I'm not interested in football. I don't know.
Petrocelli: In other words, you heard the level of his voice diminish, making you believe that he had taken the receiver away from his mouth while he was talking to someone else. Correct?
Reichardt: That's what it sounded like.
Petrocelli: Could you tell whether he was on a cell phone or a regular phone?
Reichardt: Sounded like pretty clear connection.
Petrocelli: And you heard a TV in the background?
Reichardt: Yes.
Petrocelli: And could you hear that it was tuned into a sports event?
Reichardt: No.
Petrocelli: Okay. And by the way, did he just in the middle of talking to you all of a sudden interrupt and ask this question about the scores?
Reichardt: Yeah. It was like we're talking about going for dinner, and he said, "Hold on a second," you know, something comes on television, "What were the scores?"
Petrocelli: The scores? And did you ask what scores he was talking about?
Reichardt: I'm not interested in sports. I don't... Doesn't mean much to me.
MR. RUBALCAVA: For the record, we'll stipulate that proof that he doesn't know much about sports is the fact this was in June and he said it must have been football, is proof of that.

BREWER: And at some point, as you testified to, he asked somebody the score of the game; And I think the way you described it was as though he said over his shoulder, "What's the score," something of that nature? THE WITNESS: Right.
BREWER: Based upon the manner in which he asked that question, it was clear to you that that person was in the same room with Mr. Simpson -- Is that true?
Reichardt: Yes. It appeared to me like that.
BREWER: And did you not hear anyone say anything in response to that question that was asked by Mr. Simpson; is that true?
Reichardt: That's true.
BY MR. BREWER: Was there a pause in his voice in order to allow -- whoever he asked the question to to respond?
Reichardt: Right. Yes.
BREWER: And was it relatively close in the beginning of the conversation that he asked this person the score?
Reichardt: No. It was later on.
BREWER: This was about an eight-minute conversation? Was it about halfway through the conversation?
Reichardt: Well, halfway or later. Because at first we talked about, you know, Paula and going on this trip later, towards the end of the conversation. That he is packing his bag.
BREWER: He told you he was packing his bag?
Reichardt: Right. But not word for word, "I am packing my bag." It was like "I'm getting my things together. I'm going to Chicago."
BREWER: And did he tell you that he was going to be back in town on Wednesday? So it was your understanding based upon what Mr. Simpson told you at that time that he was not scheduled to return from Chicago until Wednesday?
Reichardt: That's correct.
BREWER: As of June 12, 1994, if Kato Kaelin picked up the telephone and you had a conversation with him, would you be able to recognize that it is Kato Kaelin's voice?
Reichardt: Yes.
BREWER: If you had overheard Kato Kaelin say something to Mr. Simpson on the telephone, you would have been able to recognize that person as Kato Kaelin; is that correct?
Reichardt: Yes.
Return to O'Brien Call

2110 Simpson's Clothes
CLARK: WHAT WAS HE WEARING AT THAT TIME?
Kaelin: TO THE BEST OF MY RECOLLECTION, I THOUGHT IT WAS A SWEAT OUTFIT.
CLARK: OKAY. WHAT COLOR WAS IT?
Kaelin: DARK COLOR.
CLARK: COULD YOU TELL?
Kaelin: IT WAS EITHER BLUE OR -- DARK BLUE OR BLACK.
CLARK: OKAY. AND THE MATERIAL, WHAT KIND OF MATERIAL WAS IT?
Kaelin: I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE A COTTON.
CLARK: WAS IT LONG-SLEEVED, SIR?
Kaelin: YES.
CLARK: DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT KIND OF SHOES HE WAS WEARING?
Kaelin: NO.

BREWER: Had you worn anything that entire day that resembled the garment that was described by Mr. Kaelin in his deposition?
SIMPSON: You know, I can't say yes or no because I can't--the way he talks, I don't know what he perceives when he sees things, you know, so I can't say.
BREWER: Well, he described something fairly specifically: A jogging top or jogging suit with a white zipper. My question to you is: At any time on the 12th do you recall wearing anything that fit that description?
SIMPSON: Jogging stuff, no.
BREWER: Well, any type of upper-body garment, whether it be a windbreaker, jacket, jogging suit, with a white zipper. Anything that's similar to that?
SIMPSON: I don't know if it had a white zipper, but I had on a {blue} jacket, yeah.
BREWER: And when did you put that jacket on?
SIMPSON: To go to McDonald's.
BREWER: And were you also wearing dark blue pants at that time?
SIMPSON: My {dark blue} golf pants, yes.
The socks
BREWER: Well, do you have a specific recollection as you sit here today of taking off your socks?
SIMPSON: I specifically remember undressing in my closet. That's where I always undress, there or my bathroom. That night I specifically remember undressing in my closet because I was also getting redressed in my closet.
BREWER: Well, I am being a little bit more specific than just undressing. I am focusing on a particular piece of apparel. Do you have a specific recollection of taking off your socks as you were undressing the evening of June 12, 1994?
SIMPSON: I specifically recall totally undressing in my closet. I specifically recall putting on my white socks in my closet.
Simpson wears a watch & ring
PETROCELLI: Did you ever notice if Mr. Simpson wore a watch?
Kaelin: Usually a Swiss Army. He had a company--
PETROCELLI: And did you ever notice if he had any jewelry on his fingers?
Kaelin: Usually a ring. I thought a big ring. How big his fingers were, I always noticed that ring.
PETROCELLI: My question to you is: Do you have any reason to believe he was not wearing the watch or the ring that evening?
Kaelin: No.
Simpson believes Bruno Magli Shoes UGLY
Mr. KELLY: Okay. Now, Mr. Simpson, you stated earlier at your deposition here and on your infomercial--you referred to the Bruno Magli shoes as I think "ugly'' and I think you said "nasty" once, too. Is that correct?
SIMPSON: No. I said, "I wouldn't wear those ugly shoes," yes. The pair that they had at the trial is the only pair I've seen that I knew was Bruno Magli shoes.

Mr. KELLY: Okay. And when you sent that bag off to Chicago the night of June 12th, was there one or more golf gloves in the bag, even?
SIMPSON: I hope so.
Mr. KELLY: And I think you indicated you wear an Extra Extra Large?
SIMPSON: Depending on the glove, as you know; you're a golfer. Some gloves I need XXL. Some gloves I can wear Large. If they stretch, they just don't last long because they tear.
Mr. KELLY: Okay. And those snap over your wrist? And generally golf gloves are soft leather? And as you stated yourself, that you can stretch hem over your hand to fit, can you not? And I think when you--in giving your statement to the police on June 13th, 1994, you indicated that you would get nicks and things on your hands playing golf. Do you recall ever getting a nick or cut on your left hand with the golf glove on it any time June 11th or June 12th?
SIMPSON: No.
Mr. KELLY: Okay. And had you played golf previous occasions that same week? What days were they?
SIMPSON: Every day.
Mr. KELLY: And it's your usual practice, I assume, to wear a golf glove. Except for par 3s? That was always on your left hand, was it not? {they take break in questioning & don't return for Answer.}
Return to Simpson's Clothes

Mr. KELLY: Okay. Do you know whether Nicole ever took a picture of you in a men's Bruno Magli shoe?
SIMPSON: No. Shoes that looked like the ones I saw in court, yes, I know for certain that she didn't take a picture of me looking--in shoes like those, yes {I know for certain she didn't take picture of me in them}.
Mr. KELLY: No, I am not--I will ask it once again, Mr. Simpson: Do you know if Nicole ever took a photograph of you in men's Bruno Magli shoes?
SIMPSON: Not that I know of, because I don't know if I've ever owned Bruno Magli shoes.
Mr. KELLY: Do you know for a fact you did not own a pair of men's Bruno Magli shoes in June 1994?
SIMPSON: No.

Many Long Time associates
Skip Taft -- 25 years -- Business Manager/Attorney
Cathy Randa -- 20 years -- assistant
A.C. Cowlings -- since childhood -- one of closest friends
Jonah Wilson -- 15 years -- Arnelle's close friend
Marcus Allen -- 17 years -- since AC went to SC among closest friends
Tawny Kitaen -- friend -- Cathy Randa's best friend
Cora Fishman -- 4-5 years -- not close friend of OJ -- Nicole's best friend During the last four years of her life, Cora was definitely her best friend.
Ron Fishman -- 4-5 years -- Sydney best friends with Cora's daughter
Cici Shahian -- no friendship with her -- around Nicole's
Robin Greer -- no friendship with her -- Nicole's {Rosie's ex} Robin had a drug relapse, or something,
Chris Jenner -- was a friend of Nicole's. I don't know if they went out much, but Chris was a friend. I know she knew Chris longer than any of these people, but they weren't--they were friendly because of Bob and I being friendly in the past. Nicole didn't really socialize with her away from that, and I think Nicole may have socialized with Chris more when Nicole and I split.
Candice Garvey -- a friend of Chris Jenner's -- An acquaintance of Nicole's, at best.
Linda Schulman -- Nicole wouldn't talk to her for the last 3-4 years.
Faye and Christian Reichardt
Alan Schwartz and his wife
Suzie and Billy Kehoe
Bob Kardashian and Chris
Allen Austin
Wayne Hughes and his wife -- We're going back a number of years for that one.
Victoria-- Gordon White's wife--he's passed--would join them.
Marianna {I think a girl named}
Reggie McKenzie -- and Nicole were friends again or something.
Pam Schwartz

Nicole's Photographs - What might they show?
Mr. KELLY: Mr. Simpson, just generally would it be fair to say that Nicole took a lot of photographs?
SIMPSON: Oh, yes.
Mr. KELLY: Yeah. I mean, right up to 1994, from-- or say the last 10 years, she was always taking photographs, was she not?
SIMPSON: Ever since I met her, yes.
Mr. KELLY: Okay. And she would frame a lot of them? And an awful lot of them were on display in your Rockingham house? And when she lived at Bundy that last year and a half, she had a lot on display there? And do you know whether she kept the extra photographs that she didn't frame, also?
SIMPSON: Well, I'm sure she did. She always had photographs.
Mr. KELLY: Okay. Did she have photo albums? And would she take pictures of. say, parties you guys had? And during vacations she'd bring her camera? And do you recall her even taking pictures of the house, inside and out? Do you ever recall seeing her take pictures of the decorating she had done in your house after she had completed it?
SIMPSON: I've never seen it. She may have, but I've never seen her do it.
Mr. KELLY: Okay. Did you have a chance any time after June 12 to go through Nicole's collection of photographs at Bundy?
SIMPSON: No.

2110 Simpson borrows money
Kaelin: I think it was still the same call to Tom. It was a short one. Or I might have just said "Oh, I'll be right back," call them--"I'll call you back," but it was during the call that O.J. came back again. It seemed like within a few minutes.
Petrocelli: What was he wearing?
Kaelin: In my mind, it was the same suit, that black sweat with the white zipper and--the sharp sweat suit.
Black, dark colored, yeah, black.

2110 Interupts O'Brien Call
Kaelin: he asked me if I had any money on him--on me. He needed five bucks for the skycap.
I said, "Yeah, let me check." So I checked the drawer I keep my money in, and I said "Yeah," and I gave him 20.
I think he said he needed $5 for the skycap. He had hundreds, and he needed a five for the skycap.
Return Borrows $20.00

2111 Simpson given $20.00
Kaelin: So I hung up the phone with Tom, I gave O.J. the money, and I believe that's when I invited myself. He said he was going to get a hamburger, and I invited myself to go with him.
You know, I just did. I was--I had that sushi, and that was it, and I was hungry, and think I just said, "Hey, can I go? Mind if I go along?" Then he kind of went, "Yeah, sure."
And so I thought it was like I shouldn't go, and it was revolving maybe around the jacuzzi or whatever, but I sort of like invited myself.
Return gets $20.00

2112 Going to McDonald's
Kaelin: When he said he was going to get the hamburger, I said, "Hey, do you mind if I come along," and in my head I thought it was like a pause and, "Sure."
"Sure." "Sure." It was sort of like-- I felt I invited myself. I shouldn't have.
I didn't know, maybe he wanted to be alone or something. Because, you know, I thought maybe he was feeling lonely or something, and he wanted me not to be around.
I almost thought about changing {my mind about going}. No, but I didn't, because I was already invited and I was already walking and I thought that might make it even more uncomfortable, so I just went with it.
Petrocelli: Now, when Mr. Simpson went ahead without you, where did he go?
Kaelin: It was the back door, the back door of the house. It's a back door. We went through the bar area, through the kitchen nook area to the car. So I walked in, got in the passenger side and he got in the car, the Bentley --Rolls-Royce--
Petrocelli: Did he set the alarm. Did he ask you to set the alarm?
Kaelin: No
Return to McDonald's

Bronco NOT in driveway, or on Rockingham
2112 No Bronco in Driveway
Petrocelli: Did you see a Bronco there?
Kaelin: No.
Petrocelli: What cars were in the driveway, or car?
Kaelin: Just the Rolls-Royce, what I saw.
Here's the driveway (Indicating), and the Rolls-Royce would be parked right in this area (Indicating {on Exhibit 27}) where normally it would be parked in that --it's an open area, and it would be--if it wasn't in that entire area, most of it would be in that jetty there (Indicating).
Up till I got into the car, no, we didn't talk.
CLARK: WHAT CAR DID YOU GET INTO?
Kaelin: UMM, THE ROLLS ROYCE.
CLARK: THE ROLLS ROYCE. WHEN YOU GOT INTO IT, SIR, CAN YOU TELL US WHERE IT WAS PARKED?
A IN THE DRIVEWAY.
Q AND WHERE WAS IT FACING, WHAT DIRECTION, IF YOU COULD TELL US?
Kaelin: THE HEADLIGHTS WOULD BE FACING THE ROCKINGHAM GATE.
BY MS. CLARK: SHOWING YOU WHAT HAS BEEN MARKED AS PEOPLE'S 136, SIR, CAN YOU TELL US IF YOU RECOGNIZE THE CAR IN THE FOREGROUND OF THAT PHOTOGRAPH?
Kaelin: YES.
CLARK: WHAT IS IT?
Kaelin: THAT IS THE ROLLS ROYCE.
The court intervenes: THE COURT: LOOK AT THE GRILLE.
MS. CLARK: IT IS A BENTLEY.
CLARK: COULD IT BE A BENTLEY, SIR?
Kaelin: OH, YES.
CLARK: IS THAT THE POSITION IN WHICH IT WAS USUALLY PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY?
Kaelin: YES.
Return No Bronco
At 9:10 PM Gate Remote is in Bentley
2112 Gate Remote in Bentley
Kaelin: {after starting the car} I believe the gate--he pushed a button and the gate opened. In the car I think he had a remote, and opened the gate {-- It opened up inward, to South side of the property --} and we took off.
Petrocelli: Now, when he pulled out of that driveway and he pulled the Bentley past the point of the gate -- did he stop and wait until the gate was completely closed before he left?
Kaelin: I don't believe so, no.
Petrocelli: When you came out of this driveway, which --the Rockingham driveway now--Withdrawn. What time of the evening is it, to the best of your recollection, when you got in that Bentley and headed towards that Rockingham gate?
Kaelin: It's about 9:10.
Out of the Rockingham gate, we made a left.
Return Gate Remote

2112 Still No Bronco
Petrocelli: {When you looked out the passenger window to see if cars were coming} Did you see the Bronco parked right on the other side of the Rockingham gate?
Kaelin: Best of my recollection. I did not.
Petrocelli: Okay. Now, when you came out with the Bentley at approximately 9:10 p.m. on June 12 and when you looked to the right to see if there was any oncoming traffic before Mr. Simpson turned left, did you see the Bronco there where it is currently parked and positioned in this photograph {Exhibit 81}?
Kaelin: I don't believe I did. I probably would have seen it if it was parked so close, because I would have looked. I would have noticed that.
CLARK: AS YOU EXITED THE ROCKINGHAM GATE DID YOU LOOK TO SEE WHETHER THERE WERE ANY OTHER CARS PARKED ON THE CURB?
Kaelin: NO, I DIDN'T LOOK.
Return Still No Bronco

2118 On way to McDonald's
CLARK: THE REDEYE FLIGHT?
Kaelin: AND AIRLINE; TIRED. AT ONE POINT I HAD SAID, "OH, YOU SHOULD TAKE NAP" AND IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE TIME -- "DO YOU THINK THERE WOULD BE TIME?" AND I WOULD SAY, "YOU SHOULD TRY TO TAKE ONE; YOU LOOK TIRED."
CLARK: WHAT DID YOU SAY?
Kaelin: I SAID, "YOU SHOULD HAVE TIME TO TAKE A NAP."
CLARK: WHAT DID THE DEFENDANT SAY?
Kaelin: HE PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE TIME TO.
CLARK: AND WHAT WAS THE NATURE OF THAT CONVERSATION?
Kaelin: THAT WAS WHAT DIRECTED ME TO THE TIME, ABOUT TAKING TIME FOR A NAP.
CLARK: WHAT TIME WAS IT WHEN YOU WERE AT 26TH AND SAN VICENTE?
Kaelin: 9:15 TO 9:18 ON THE CLOCK OF THE CAR. 9:15 TO 9:18. IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS RIGHT PAST THERE.
CLARK: OKAY. WAS THIS A DIGITAL CLOCK?
Kaelin: NO, IT WAS A NUMBERED CLOCK.
THE COURT: ANALOG.
Kaelin: I remember looking at the clock on the car. At 26th and San Vicente there was a stoplight, and I remember it being 9:15 to 9:18. It was one of those analog, and I thought it was like 9:15 or 9:18. So I imagine from there to get to McDonald's was probably 9:20 or--
I had the chicken. Chicken, fries and large orange soda.
{He had} I think it was the Big Mac. It was the big hamburger sandwich.
I just remember the sandwich being eaten fast.

At approximately 9:18-9:27
{Feb 27th}
REPORT FROM PAVELIC TO SHAPIRO "SHORTLY AFTER HE LEFT, HER FRIEND SYLVIA CAME BY, AND THEY HAD A CUP OF COFFEE. THEY SPENT TOGETHER APPROXIMATELY 10 TO 15 MINUTES, AND MISS LOPEZ DROVE SYLVIA TO HER HOUSE A COUPLE MINUTES AWAY. "WHEN SYLVIA OBSERVED SIMPSON'S BRONCO, SHE MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THE WAY IT WAS PARKED. MISS LOPEZ STATED THAT O.J. ALWAYS PARKS HIS CAR THAT WAY.
Return

2122 Get to McDonald's
CLARK: SO YOU GOT TO MC DONALD'S AT APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME?
Kaelin: BETWEEN NINE -- LIKE 9:22.
I PAID, BUT O.J. GAVE THEM THE MONEY.
CLARK: SO NOW YOU HAD ALREADY GIVEN HIM $20.00, RIGHT?
Kaelin: YES.
CLARK: DID HE ASK YOU TO DO THAT?
Kaelin: NO.
CLARK: YOU JUST DID IT?
Kaelin: YES.
Kaelin: I felt like I owed him, you know, for staying there. I should pay for the dinner.
Return Kaelin Paid

2125
CLARK: APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME WAS IT WHEN YOU GOT YOUR FOOD?
Kaelin: 9:25, 9:26.

Prowler between Simpson/Salinger houses
{Feb 27th}
REPORT FROM PAVELIC TO SHAPIRO "AFTER DROPPING OFF HER FRIEND SYLVIA AND WHILE O.J. AND HIS PASSENGER WERE OUT, SHE HEARD A PROWLER ALONGSIDE HIS AND HER RESIDENCE FENCE. MISS LOPEZ ESTIMATED THE TIME TO BE AROUND 2120 OR 2130 HOURS."
COCHRAN: AFTER THAT, DID ANYTHING ELSE ATTRACT YOUR ATTENTION?
LOPEZ: WELL, AROUND 9:30 OR BEFORE, I HEARD STEPS AND I WAS IN MY BEDROOM AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY THEY WERE GOING. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE ON THE SALINGER'S SIDE OF THE PROPERTY OR ON MR. SIMPSON'S.
COCHRAN: AND WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU HEARD THESE FOOTSTEPS?
THE WITNESS: I WAS AFRAID BECAUSE AT THAT TIME, THE SALINGER'S DIDN'T HAVE A FENCE OR BLOCK WALL OVER THERE, AND I -- I WENT BACK REALLY FAST INSIDE TO MY BEDROOM AND I -- I WAS -- I DUCKED DOWN LIKE THIS BECAUSE I WAS REALLY AFRAID AND THEN I CAME BACK UP (INDICATING).
I BENT OVER A LITTLE BIT LIKE THIS, YOUR HONOR (INDICATING), AND I CLOSED THE WINDOW WITH MY HAND VERY, VERY SLOWLY SO NOT TO MAKE ANY NOISE SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T HEAR ME. NO WINDOW (IN ENGLISH). THE CURTAIN.
I HEARD AGAIN THAT A CAR CAME BY AND I HEARD WHEN THEY SHUT THE DOOR AND I HEARD THAT MR. SIMPSON TALKED TO SOMEBODY FOR A FEW SECONDS?
COCHRAN: AND WHERE WERE YOU WHEN YOU HEARD MR. SIMPSON'S VOICE?
LOPEZ: IN MY BEDROOM.
COCHRAN: AND DO YOU KNOW ABOUT WHAT TIME OF EVENING THAT WAS AT THAT TIME?
LOPEZ: MORE OR LESS 15 TO 10:00 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
COCHRAN: WERE YOU STILL AFRAID AFTER YOU HEARD MR. SIMPSON'S VOICE?
LOPEZ: NO. NO. I FELT SAFER WHEN I FELT THAT HE CAME BACK.
Return

2130 - Judy Telander gets home. and Denise Pilnak finishes dinner with her friends. Return getting home

2133 Getting Home - Denise Pilnak arrives home.
CLARK: ABOUT WHAT TIME WAS IT WHEN YOU GOT HOME?
Kaelin: IT WAS ABOUT 9:40.
CLARK: WHEN HE PARKED THE CAR, CAN YOU TELL US, SIR, IN WHAT POSITION HE PARKED THE CAR WHEN YOU RETURNED?
Kaelin: THE SAME AS THE PICTURE. {PEOPLE'S 136}
CLARK: DID YOU LOOK TO SEE WHETHER THERE WERE ANY CARS PARKED ON THE -- AT THE CURB OF THE ASHFORD GATE?
Kaelin: I DIDN'T LOOK.
CLARK: AND WHERE WAS {the defendant}?
Kaelin: AT THE DRIVER'S SIDE DOOR OF THE ROLLS.
CLARK: DID YOU SAY ANYTHING TO HIM?
Kaelin: NO.
Petrocelli: What time do you think you pulled into the Rockingham property after McDonald's?
Kaelin: I would say it would be about 9:33.
Petrocelli: Now, when you came back from McDonald's and you pull in and he parks the Bentley in the same place where it was before and you're sitting in the passenger seat, you still have the drink, the chicken sandwich and the French fries in your lap without a bag and with a straw. Is that right?
Kaelin: Yes.
Return Back at Rockingham

Simpson's guess 2135
Simpson: I wasn't keeping time at the time. I was not paying attention to the time at the time to that extent. All I know, I told Kato that I'd be leaving and the limo would be here in about an hour. I do recall us having a conversation when we got back from McDonald's. So an hour or so after Kato was there, and I saw him when I was trying to leave.
Petrocelli: And you got back around 9:30 p.m. Right?
Simpson: I believe it was 9:35. I don't know. Somewhere in that area.
Return Back at Rockingham

2137 No Crime Committed Yet
CLARK: WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
Kaelin: SO I TOOK THE FOOD AND I WALKED DOWN THE PATH TO MY ROOM AND I STARTED EATING THE FOOD AND I MADE A PHONE CALL.
CLARK: AND WOULD IT REFRESH YOUR RECOLLECTION AS TO THE EXACT TIME THAT YOU CALLED {Tom O'Brien} IF YOU SAW YOUR PHONE BILL?
Kaelin: YES.
CLARK: OKAY. YOU ALREADY DESCRIBED THE FIRST ENTRY ON JUNE THE 12TH HERE AT 9:03, THAT FIRST CALL YOU MADE TO TOM IN SAN DIEGO. DO YOU SEE BELOW THAT ON JUNE 12, 9:37, INDICATED IN MILITARY TIME AS 2137, AT 9:37 A CALL TO SAN DIEGO?
A YES.
2137 - Juditha Brown speaks to Karen Crawford at Mezzaluna, who then finds glasses - intact - outside the resturant. Return

Cales can't see what isn't there.
The Bronco is on Ashford.
2138 Again, No Bronco
MR. DARDEN: What time was it, if you recall, that you walked your dog Sunday evening? So during this time period of 9:30 to 9:45 you say you didn't see the Bronco on Rockingham?
Cales: Yes, sir, I did not see the Bronco -- the Bronco on Rockingham.
MR. DARDEN: From which direction were you walking with your dog?
Cales: Walking from north to south.
Return Again No Bronco
=== Cale is on Rockingham North of Ashford ===
MR. DARDEN: Did you ever pass the defendant's home at 360 North Rockingham; that is, Sunday night?
Cales: No, sir, I did not.
MR. DARDEN: How close did you come to the defendant's gate located on Rockingham, Sunday night?
Cales: I would estimate about 60 yards, probably.
MR. DARDEN: So you are on the opposite side of the street?
Cales: I would say that's the general area. Not all the way to the corner, but -- Past the driveway on the right for the north side of the street.
=== He walks almost to corner of Ashford ===
MR. DARDEN: How is it that you arrived at that time; that is, the 9:30 to 9:45 p.m. time?
Cales: Well, I had come back earlier in the evening with one of my children. We had dinner, and then I had started to pack for my trip the next morning; put my materials together to go on this trip. I know that I came back and went to bed shortly, about 10:00 or very shortly thereafter. I had to get up early the next morning. I know that when I got done with the packing, and before I went to bed, I went out from a short walk. That's the best estimation I can have, is between 9:30 and 9:45.
MR. DARDEN: The Bronco was not parked near the gate at Rockingham that Sunday evening?
Cales: I'm very certain.
9:33 Bentley arrives - Cale must be later
BY MR. SHAPIRO: When you were walking your dog, sir, did you see a Bently automobile driving up Rockingham?
Cales: No, sir.
SHAPIRO: If a Bentley had been driving up between 9:30 and 9:45, would you be in a position to see it?
Cales: If it had its headlights on, and --
SHAPIRO: Did you see that vehicle driving up between 9:30 and 9:45?
Cales: No, sir.
=== Or was it before the Bentley arrived at 9:33? ===
SHAPIRO: It could have been before 9:30 that you were walking your dog, isn't that correct?
Cales: I don't think it was.
SHAPIRO: You're not sure.
Cales: I am very sure. It was 9:30 to 9:45 time frame. That's the best estimate I can give you, sir.
SHAPIRO: So your, in your definition, your best estimate is being very sure of something?
Cales: When you have a period of time within certain parameters. That's -- I'm very sure of my estimate, it's in that range of time.
SHAPIRO: Could it have been 9:25?
Cales: I don't think it was. Is it possible, I guess it's possible. I don't think so, though.
Return Again No Bronco

At 9:33 PM
Where Is the BRONCO?
CALES didn't see it!
Kaelin didn't see it!

2140 to 2142 - Juditha Brown speaks to Nicole. - Return Mother-Daughter talk

2144 After second call to O'Brien

BY MS. CLARK: AFTER YOU COMPLETED THAT PHONE CALL TO TOM, APPROXIMATELY 9:44 THEN, WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
Kaelin: I WANTED TO TYPE UP SOME LIKE RESUMES AND THERE IS AN OFFICE AREA WITH A TYPEWRITER.
Return to 9:44

2145 - Kaelin types resumes in Rockingham office. At the same time, Pilnak's mother & friend Nick come for visit. Return

2150 - Mezzaluna presents bill to Mandel & Aaronson. Return

2155 - credit card payment Return

2200 Dumb Question, if Arnelle had her car at the movies. Interesting, if she had the Bronco.

MS. CLARK: And at 10 o'clock P.M. on the night of June the 12th, were you at a movie?
MS. SIMPSON: Yes.
MS. CLARK: Okay. And so you don't know where the Bronco was at that time, at 10 o'clock at night? Let me put it this way. You did not see the Bronco at 10 o'clock at night, is that correct, on the night of June the 12th?
MS. SIMPSON: I don't recall.
[Where is the Bronco? Thanks to Park, Marcia Clark isn't sure. According to Alan Park the Saab -- "a second Dark Car" -- is parked behind the Bentley. Simpson owns three cars -- one a Rolls Royce-Bentley.] Return to dumb question

2200 gives up on typewriter

MS. CLARK: OKAY. SO CAN YOU TELL US APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME IT WAS WHEN YOU GAVE UP ON THE TYPEWRITER?
Kaelin: WELL, LIKE ABOUT TEN -- 10:00 OR SO.

COCHRAN: AND AFTER YOU WATCHED TELEVISION FOR A WHILE, DID YOU HAVE OCCASION TO GO BACK OUTSIDE AT ANY TIME AFTER THAT? DO YOU RECALL?
THE WITNESS: I WENT OUTSIDE A LITTLE AFTER 10:00.
COCHRAN: AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR THE COURT AGAIN WHERE YOU TOOK THE DOG ON THIS OCCASION?
Lopez: I TOOK HER IN FRONT OF ROCKINGHAM. {indicating on exhibit 1045} THERE'S A BIG TREE RIGHT HERE AND HERE, AND OVER HERE. THE DOG WALKED ALL OVER THIS AREA (INDICATING).
THE COURT: INDICATING THE FRONT LAWN AREA OF THAT RESIDENCE.
COCHRAN: OF 1045 SOUTH - NOW, I WANT TO ASK YOU, WERE YOU WEARING A WATCH AT THIS POINT AT ALL? YOU DESCRIBED THIS AS BEING SOMEWHERE AROUND 10:00 O'CLOCK. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?
Lopez: I SAID A LITTLE AFTER 10:00 BECAUSE I SAW THE CLOCK IN MY BEDROOM, AND IT WAS 10:00.
COCHRAN: CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR US WHAT THINGS YOU DID BEFORE YOU CAME OUTSIDE? AND TELL US EACH THING THAT YOU DID.
Lopez: I PUT A LITTLE BIT OF WATER TO BOIL FOR SOME TEA.
I TOOK OFF THIS COLLAR THAT THEY PUT ON THE DOG BECAUSE SHE BITES HERSELF. AND I LOOKED FOR THE LEASH AND I PUT THE LEASH ON THE DOG AND I WENT OUTSIDE.
BY MR. COCHRAN: WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE ANY CARS PARKED OUT THERE ON ROCKINGHAM THERE?
Lopez: YES.
COCHRAN: AND WHAT CAR DID YOU SEE PARKED OUT THERE, IF ANY?
THE WITNESS: THE BRONCO.
BY MR. COCHRAN: WHEN YOU LOOKED AND YOU SAW THIS BRONCO, CAN YOU TELL THE COURT WHETHER OR NOT THE BRONCO APPEARED TO BE PARKED IN THE SAME WAY IT WAS PARKED WHEN YOU SAW IT AT 8:15 THAT NIGHT?
THE COURT: YOU CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION.
THE WITNESS: YES, YOUR HONOR.
BY MR. COCHRAN: WHEN YOU SAW THIS BRONCO VEHICLE PARKED AT THE CURB AT ROCKINGHAM, DID IT APPEAR AS IT APPEARS THERE IN THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS 62-A, B, DID AND E WHEN YOU SAW IT AFTER 10:00 CLOCK ON JUNE 12TH, 1994?
THE WITNESS: YES, SIR.

DARDEN: WHEN YOU PUT WATER ON TO BOIL, WHAT YOU DID WAS YOU PUT A CUP OF WATER INTO THE MICROWAVE, CORRECT?
AND YOU SET THE MICROWAVE FOR A MINUTE AND A HALF?
AND THAT IS HOW YOU ALWAYS DO IT, CORRECT?
Lopez: YES, SIR.
DARDEN: YOU DIDN'T HAVE YOUR TEA, CORRECT?
Lopez: NO, SIR.
DARDEN: AND THIS CLOCK THAT YOU HAD, WAS IT A DIGITAL CLOCK OR DID IT HAVE HANDS?
Lopez: IT WAS DIGITAL, SIR.
BY MR. DARDEN: YOU WERE OUTSIDE A VERY SHORT TIME, CORRECT?
Lopez: YES, SIR.
DARDEN: THE NIGHT OF THE MURDERS SYLVIA CAME TO YOUR HOUSE FOR A CUP OF COFFEE?
THE WITNESS: YES, SIR. AT ABOUT 8:30, SIR, OR 8:45, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
DARDEN: AND YOU TOLD MR. BILL THAT SYLVIA CAME BY ABOUT FIFTEEN MINUTES OR TEN TO FIFTEEN MINUTES AFTER MR. SIMPSON DROVE OFF?
Lopez: I TOLD HIM THAT IT WAS BEFORE THE GENTLEMAN LEFT, SIR.
DARDEN: WHAT GENTLEMAN?
Lopez: MR. SIMPSON, SIR.
BY MR. DARDEN: SYLVIA WAS AT THE SALINGER'S HAVING TAMALES AND COFFEE FOR TEN MINUTES {time unsure}; AND WHAT TIME DID YOU DRIVE HER HOME?
Lopez: I DON'T REMEMBER RIGHT NOW, SIR.
DARDEN: WELL, WHEN YOU DROVE HER HOME, DID YOU SEE THE BRONCO?
Lopez: I SAW A WHITE CAR PARKED UP THE STREET, SIR.

BY MR. DARDEN: WHY IS THERE NO MENTION OF SYLVIA ON THE TAPED INTERVIEW, IF YOU KNOW?
Lopez: BECAUSE THE GENTLEMAN DID NOT ASK ME.

BY MR. DARDEN: THE REPORTER ASKED YOU WHAT YOU SAW AND HEARD THAT DAY, DIDN'T HE? AND YOU NEVER TOLD HIM THAT YOU HEARD BARKING DOGS, DID YOU?
THE WITNESS: NO, BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT THE POLICE, SIR. I DIDN'T HAVE TO GIVE MY DECLARATION TO ANY LAYPERSON.
BY MR. DARDEN: AND YOU DIDN'T TELL THAT REPORTER THAT YOU HEARD FOOTSTEPS, DID YOU?
AND YOU DIDN'T TELL THAT REPORTER THAT YOU HEARD A PROWLER, DID YOU?

Lopez: I NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS A PROWLER, SIR.
DARDEN: AND YOU DIDN'T TELL THE REPORTER {who didn't ask} THAT YOU SAW THE BRONCO PARKED ON ROCKINGHAM, DID YOU? AND YOU NEVER TOLD THAT REPORTER {who didn't ask} THAT YOU HAD SEEN THE BRONCO THE NIGHT BEFORE, DID YOU?
Lopez: NO, SIR.
DARDEN: WELL, WHEN YOU TOLD THE REPORTER THAT YOU HEARD VOICES, DIDN'T YOU TELL HIM THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TIME IT WAS THAT YOU HEARD THE VOICES?
Lopez: YES, SIR.
BY MR. DARDEN: ALL YOU KNEW ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE VOICES IS THAT YOU HEARD THEM VERY, VERY LATE, CORRECT?
Lopez: YES, SIR.
DARDEN: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME YOU HEARD THE VOICES THAT NIGHT, DO YOU?
Lopez: YES, SIR. IT DEPENDS ON WHICH ONES YOU'RE ASKING ME ABOUT, SIR.
BY MR. DARDEN: DO YOU KNOW THE TIME THAT YOU HEARD SOME OF THE VOICES YOU HEARD THAT NIGHT?
Lopez: UMM, AFTER 11:30 TO 12:00.
DARDEN: OTHER THAN THOSE VOICES, YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU HEARD ANY OTHER VOICE THAT YOU HEARD THAT NIGHT, CORRECT?

Lopez: YES, SIR.
BY MR. DARDEN: WHEN THE REPORTER ASKED YOU WHAT YOU SAW AND HEARD, YOU DIDN'T -- YOU DID NOT TELL HIM THAT YOU HEARD MR. SIMPSON SPEAKING TO THE LIMOUSINE DRIVER, DID YOU?

Lopez: SIR, I ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT HE WAS NOT THE POLICE FOR ME TO GIVE HIM MY INFORMATION.

Return to Kaelin

2203 - Paula's number called on cellphone. Return call

[2205.36] Alan Park, in Limo, is called by Dale St. John. Return

2206 Simpson's golf balls
PETROCELLI: And yesterday you testified about leaving the white golf ball bag and another bluish bag. Did you leave that behind the Bentley or in front of the Bentley?
Simpson: Behind the Bentley.

John Kelly: Okay. Mr. Simpson, as you sit here today, do you recall the last golf ball you hit in your front yard at about 10:00 p.m. on June 12th 1994? Well, you indicated you skulled your last chip in your front yard. And you stopped because of a particular reason?
SIMPSON: Well, I think it was the last ball, but I could have grabbed another ball. There was a bunch of balls, one. And, two, I skulled it, and I didn't want to hit my Bentley. I had just gotten all the dents out of my Bentley, and I didn't know where the ball went.
John Kelly: Okay. And you recall actually hearing it hit something, didn't you?
SIMPSON: Yes. Yes.
John Kelly: And you specifically remember even hitting the ball before that over a tree in your front yard, don't you?
SIMPSON: Yes. I don't know if it was the shot before that. It could have been two shots before that. But I do know I hit one shot over to Mrs. Nebeker's, or in that direction.

2210 Kaelin Calls Rachel

CLARK: WHAT TIME WAS IT, APPROXIMATELY, WHEN YOU PLACED THAT CALL, SIR?
Kaelin: ABOUT LIKE 10:10.
Return

2215 - Cales is in bed; Mandel & Aaronson leave Mezzaluna and walk to Bundy; Francesca Harman leaves dinner party; [2215-2245] Eva Stein awakened by sound of persistant dog barking. She does not check time, but is certain barking between 10:15 & 10:45; [10:15 on clock] Robert Heidstra takes his two dogs for walk. Return

2218 Pilnak checks clock & asks friend Judy to leave. Return

2220
CLARK: ON JUNE THE 12TH OF 1994, DID YOU RECEIVE A CALL FROM KATO KAELIN?
Ferrara: YES.
CLARK: AT APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME?
Ferrara: APPROXIMATELY 10:20.

BREWER: When you went upstairs at 10:20 -- 10:15, 10:20, and then looked at the clock at about 10:35, 10:40 -- between that time frame, you were just sitting on the bed doing nothing. Right?
SIMPSON Yeah, I was kind of spacing. I had a book in my lap and my TV was on, so I was just sort of spacing. I was actually waiting, which is my custom, for the phone call {that the driver was there} to initiate me doing those things {shower, etc}. That's the way I normally work it. . Normally I'm doing something else, may be eating. I may be --if it's daytime, I may be out back. I may be doing just about anything, but normally I got things laid out, and I use that as my okay, get -- you know, it puts me in my high gear.
BREWER: And that is that when you get a phone call from the limousine driver, that will trigger taking a shower or finishing your packing or dressing or anything that you have to do to get ready. Is that true?
SIMPSON: Normally, yes. I mean, there are times when the limo driver is late and Michelle or somebody will say, "You better get going."

2220 Fenjves watching 10 o'clock NEWS, hears dog barking - from where?;
[per clock] Francesca Harman at corner of Dorothy & Bundy - no barking. And Simpson's Bronco?
PETROCELLI: Okay. And were there any other cars parked there?
Simpson: Yeah. My Bentley was right there (Indicating).
PETROCELLI: And can you spot the Bronco for us?
Simpson: North of the gate at some point, yeah.
PETROCELLI: The Bentley was facing Rockingham?
Simpson: Yes.
Return
2221 - Judy and Pilnak on Bundy, they talk for 3-4 minutes. Return

2222 - Alan Park arrives at, sees, Rockingham address, but NO BRONCO.
[ This piece of testimony shook Defense attorney Cochran. Arnelle Simpson is know to have been at the movies from 10 o'clock, till 1:00 AM. If her car is in it's location, how did she get to the movies? If she was using her car, who moved the car that was in her parking spot? This gives rise to the question: Where was the Bronco?]
PETROCELLI: Okay. And were there any other cars parked there {aside from Bronco} ?
Simpson: Yeah. My Bentley was right there (Indicating).
PETROCELLI: And can you spot the Bronco for us?
Simpson: North of the gate at some point, yeah.
PETROCELLI: The Bentley was facing Rockingham?
Simpson: Yes.
Park looks at address NOT CARS
COCHRAN AND AS YOU TOLD US EARLIER, AT THAT POINT YOU WERE FOCUSING ON THE ADDRESS AND ON THE HOUSE AT THAT POINT; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
PARK YES.
COCHRAN AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, AS YOU TOLD US YESTERDAY, YOU WERE NOT FOCUSING ON ANY CARS, PARTICULAR CARS PARKED THERE; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
PARK THAT'S CORRECT.
COCHRAN AND YOU CANNOT TELL THIS JURY POSITIVELY THAT A VEHICLE WAS PARKED THERE OUTSIDE THE ROCKINGHAM GATE OR NOT, CAN YOU?
PARK NO.

BY MS. CLARK: ARE YOU SURE YOU DIDN'T SEE IT?
THE WITNESS: I WOULDN'T SAY I'M POSITIVE. I WASN'T LOOKING FOR A CAR. I WAS LOOKING FOR AN ADDRESS.
Alan Park saw TWO CARS INSIDE at 10:40 Return to 2222 10:22

to 2225 - [phone bill] Pilnak & Judy finish talking and Pilnak calls her mom; [estimated] Aaronson & Mandel pass 875 South Bundy -- NO NOISE; [time] Alan Park arrives at Ashford Gate, gets out of car & has a smoke. Return NO DOGS ARE BARKING ON BUNDY AT 10:30
2230 - Mandel looks at his watch -- NO barking dogs;
{RACHEL FERRARA, Mar 28 Testimony,}
CLARK: DURING THE COURSE OF YOUR CONVERSATION DID YOU HAPPEN TO ASK KATO KAELIN WHAT TIME IT WAS?
Ferrara: YES.
CLARK: AND HOW DO YOU HAPPEN TO RECALL THAT?
Ferrara: BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO GO OUT AND DO SOMETHING AND I ASKED HIM -- I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF IT WAS TOO LATE AND HE SAID -- SO I ASKED HIM WHAT TIME IT WAS AND HE SAID 10:30.

SIMPSON: It's the habit of my limo--I don't know about Park, but it is--I have a rule that you guys, because there were a few times they were late, whatever time we call, they get there 15 minutes early so that I don't have to worry if they're there or not. So it's --I think they had a 10:45 call that night, so they should have been there at 10:30.
BREWER: And based upon the normal custom and practice that you had experienced with your limousine service, you expected to hear a phone ring at about 10:30. And at 10:30 you were sitting on your bed doing nothing. Is that true?
SIMPSON: That's correct.

Brewer: And when you say it was "their habit to be there 15 minutes early," did that include actually acknowledging that they were waiting there for you? Is that the triggering event that you would generally rely upon to start getting ready and finalizing your packing and so forth before leaving to the airport?
SIMPSON: The majority of the time. I mean, I had housekeepers sometimes that would push me, but -- or my kids -- "Come on, Daddy, get ready," as my daughter testified to -- but basically that's it, yes.
BREWER: So if we follow what the normal practice was, if we're to assume that the limousine was scheduled to be at your house at 10:45, they would arrive at 10:30. And on this particular occasion the limousine was scheduled to be there at 10:45. And based upon the normal custom and practice that you had experienced with your limousine service, you expected to hear a phone ring at about 10:30. And at 10:30 you were sitting on your bed doing nothing.
SIMPSON: Well, I may have been reading. I may have been reading.
BREWER: Okay. And had you received a phone call at 10:30, presumably that would have triggered your getting ready. And at 10:35 you were still sitting on your bed. . So that we're clear, at some point, 10:35, 10:40, you began to be somewhat concerned about the fact that the limousine driver hadn't rang.
SIMPSON: I don't know about concerned. I looked and said where was the limo driver and then I just started doing the things that I had to do to get ready to go. That's a figure of speech again. When I say "I looked," I looked at the clock. The limo driver I noticed, hadn't rung me, so I didn't know if he was running late or not. I just knew that I had to start getting ready to go.

The Brown's Attorney uses 10:45 PM
John Kelly: Okay. If somebody would come over to your house between 9:30 and 10:45 on June 12th, 1994, could that have been done without Kato knowing it?
SIMPSON: I would imagine so, yes.
John Kelly: Okay. And if you had made any long distance call between 9:30 and 10:45 on June 12th, 1994, you certainly could have done that from your residence without Kato knowing. Is that correct?
SIMPSON: Yes.
John Kelly: Okay. And if you had even, say, left your residence at Rockingham at 9:30 on June 12th, 1994 and gone to visit a friend till 10:45, you could have done that without Kato seeing you. Isn't that correct?
SIMPSON: I would imagine so, yes.
John Kelly: Okay. And when the police officers woke up Kato, he had no information from you as to what you had been doing between 9:30 and 10:45 the night of June 12th, 1994, had he?
THE WITNESS: I think Kato was aware that I was trying not to sleep, and I was preparing myself to go to Chicago, yes.
John Kelly: On June 12th, 1994, Mr. Simpson, on the way to the airport did you discuss with the driver, Alan Park, what you had been doing between 9:30 and 10:55 before he drove in the driveway at your residence?
SIMPSON: I doubt it.
John Kelly: Okay. As of approximately noon on the 13th when you arrived back at Rockingham, could you tell me if there was any way Arnelle knew what you were doing between 9:30 and 10:45 the night before?
SIMPSON: I don't know. We talked a few times on the phone that morning, so I don't--you know, she was in a bad way, and ... You know.
Return to 2230 10:30

2232 Stephen Schwab leaves house.
Prelim:
Clark: Can you tell us what route you took when you walked her?
Schwab Yes. I walked down Montana and I continued along Montana across the street at the intersection of Montana and Bundy, and continued along Montana until I got to a street called Gretna Green. At Gretna Green I made a left and walked up one block, made a right on a street called Gorham. I then walked down one block, made a left on Amherst, walked up one block to Amherst and Dorothy, made a left at Amherst and Dorothy and continued along Dorothy until I came to Bundy.
Clark: How long did it take you to get to Gretna Green?
Schwab Well, I looked at my watch when I turned to go down Gretna Green, and that was 10:37. I remember that my dog had taken care of its business and I was deciding whether to return home or continue walking. It was a nice night, so I decided to continue walking. Well, between 10:35 and 10:40. I was just not exact because I don't have a digital watch. But it was between 10:35 and 10:40.
BY MS. CLARK: So at what -- at what street did you decide to turn around and go home?
Schwab Well, that was when I came to Amherst and Dorothy. At Amherst and Dorothy I made a left, which would take me back home. I use this route -- this takes me generally half an hour to do because I get home and then another show begins at 11:00 o'clock or 11:30, so that's the route I use.
Well, I was walking -- I was walking down Dorothy, and as I approached the corner of Dorothy and Bundy, I saw that there was a dog at the corner. It was a large Akita, very white, and as I approached further I saw that it wasn't with anyone. There was no one walking the dog. The dog was just there.
And the dog -- it was unusual for a dog to just be wandering the neighborhood by itself, and the dog seemed agitated. It was barking at the house on the corner.
On the corner of Dorothy and Bundy. There is a house on the corner that has the driveway that -- a path to the door that comes right to the corner, and it was looking down that path and barking. It was very unusual for a dog to be barking at a house that way, but that's what it was doing and --
It was a white Akita, beautiful dog. It had a collar on, what looked like a very expensive embroidered collar, red and blue.
It smelled my dog and my dog smelled it, and as I looked at -- I checked the collar to see if there was an address or tag on there, but there wasn't, so I didn't know where the dog was from.
And as I examined the dog further, I noticed that there was blood on the paws.
I didn't look at my watch at the moment that this occurred, but based on the path and how long it generally takes me, I would say that that was approximately 10:55.
Return to 2232 10:32

2233 - [calculated time] Pilnak {testifies 10:33-10:35} and [estimated] Heidstra, HEARS DOG BARKING and is able to identify it.
This is one hour
AFTER Simpson told Kaelin
THE LIMOUSINE IS DUE IN AN HOUR.
Return to 2233 10:33
Definately Gratuitous Comment Time Isn't it illogical for someone to start a murder at the exact time they expect there Limousine to arrive?
Isn't this illogic compounded by a five minute drive?
Doesn't the drive mandate planning and premeditation?

2235 - Checks watch Aaronson & Mandel Simpson concerned that drive hasn't rung
BREWER: And at 10:35 you were still sitting on your bed. Anywhere between 10:35 and 10:40, in that time period because you're not certain, you were still on your bed. And you hadn't -- Had you appreciated at any point the fact that the limousine driver was not running, as they customarily ran, l5 minutes early from their scheduled--
SIMPSON: Yeah, I got a little concerned that I may have to drive myself to the airport or I may have {to} --I may have {to have} checked to see if Kato was home and told him to do it. If he hadn't of come, I would have -- I was thinking at the time I would have driven myself or I would have asked Kato to take me to the airport, and since he had come before I was ready to go, I didn't have to do those things.

Brewer: And it was at this point that you got into the shower--you went to the bathroom and then got into the shower?
SIMPSON: Yeah, I went to the toilet and then I jumped in the shower.
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2239 - [car clock] Alan Park bumper lightly impacts Ashford Gate Return
It was OVERCAST - White turns to grey

16 CLARK: DO YOU RECALL WHAT THE WEATHER WAS LIKE THAT
17 THAT NIGHT?
18 KATO: IT WAS -- I THINK IT WAS THAT KIND OF OVERCAST,
19 MAYBE 63.
20 IT WAS COMFORTABLE.

19 CLARK: DO YOU RECALL WHAT THE WEATHER WAS LIKE THAT
20 NIGHT?
21 PARK: IT WAS MILD.
22 CLARK: WAS IT COOL?
23 PARK: IT WAS A LITTLE WARM.
24 IT WASN'T HOT, BUT IT WAS A NICE NIGHT. IT WAS
25 COMFORTABLE.

2240 - [estimated] Heidstra, hears "Hey Hey Hey"; Kaelin hears "earthquake" thumps;
Clark: AT THAT POINT THAT YOU HEARD THE THUMPS ON THE WALL, SIR, APPROXIMATELY HOW LONG HAD YOU BEEN ON THE PHONE WITH RACHEL FERRARA?
Kaelin: ABOUT A HALF HOUR.
Clark: AND SO APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME WAS IT WHEN YOU HEARD THE THUMPS ON THE WALL?
Kaelin: AT ABOUT 10:40.
Kato time estimate for noise 10:40
Based on a call made at 10:10 and ending at 10:45

26 CLARK: HOW LONG AFTER HEARING THE THUMP DID YOU --
27 HOW LONG AFTER YOU MADE THE PHONE CALL DID YOU HEAR THE
28 THUMP?
1 DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION?
2 KATO: WHEN I CALLED HER UP, WHEN DID I HEAR IT DURING
3 OUR CONVERSATION? HOW LONG HAD I BEEN ON?
4 CLARK: YES.
5 KATO: I'M THINKING ABOUT A HALF-HOUR.
6 CLARK: SO IT WAS A HALF-HOUR INTO THE CALL?
7 KATO: I THINK SO.
8 I THINK IN THE PHONE RECORD IT WILL SHOW.
9 CLARK: HOW LONG AFTER HEARING THE THUMP DID YOU HANG
10 UP THAT PHONE?
11 KATO: 5 MINUTES AFTER I HEARD THE THUMP.
12 IT WAS PRETTY FAST. I MEAN, WITHIN 1 TO 5
13 MINUTES.
*** Fuhrman testified time estimated as 10:45, made the morning of June 13th ***
Fuhrman: {Kaelin} SAID ABOUT 10:45 P.M. THE PREVIOUS NIGHT, I BELIEVE HE SAID HE WAS TALKING ON THE PHONE. HE SAID HE HEARD A CRASH OR A THUMP ON HIS WALL. HE THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN EARTHQUAKE AND HIS PICTURE SHOOK.

Petrocelli quotes Simpson on buzzer to Simpson
Petrocelli: And as you're talking about Alan Park, and you say: "He called me on two occasions at that time. You don't buzz my gate. My gate is not a buzz gate. He could have pushed it eight times. The phone is going to ring X amount of times and stop. It's not a when you push the button the gate buzzes. It doesn't work that way. I don't know if the prosecution ever took the time to figure that out. It just doesn't work that way." What did you mean by the gate not being a "buzz gate"? I don't understand what you were saying there.
Simpson: It's not--when you push the button, it doesn't buzz.
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10:40-10:45 The Earthquake
Kaelin:... Somewhere in the phone call, I was up against my bed, my back to it--
Petrocelli: Your back against the wall?
Kaelin: Towards the wall of my--of the bed, talking to her -- and that there was a noise, and the noise was a noise that moved the picture, and I said, "Did we have an earthquake?"
And the noise was as if a body hit the back of a wall, and the picture moved, and it was like a thickness--a thick noise that moved it, and it was --I don't know if I can stand up or not. but-- So I thought it was something like a (Sound), like in that order, a (Sound), and it moved the picture on my wall. And the picture on the wall--I said to Rachel immediately, "Did we just have an earthquake?"
And she goes, "No." I said, "This noise I just heard, my picture moved next to the bed." I said. "It's so weird that this thing"--you know, I was trying to convince myself earthquake, but I started thinking there was something back there or someone back there, and that was--because it moved the picture, and then I got scared.
It was in a shaky--the picture moved, so it was a noise that it definitely got my attention, and I felt there was something back--someone back there. It was powerful enough to move the picture. That's what caused me to say about the earthquake. In my head I think I was realizing it wasn't an earthquake, but the belief that Rachel might say, "Yeah, we just had," kind of thing, but she didn't and...
Petrocelli: Let me start all over again, okay, because I messed that up. Exhibit 82 will be a picture of your room that shows the door leading to the office, and Exhibit 83 will be a picture of your room that shows the other side of the room with the door leading to the bathroom. Okay? 82 and 83.
(Plaintiffs' Exhibits 82 and 83 were marked for identification by the reporter and are attached hereto.)
THE WITNESS: Yeah. My phone was on the left, but it might have been--that's not my phone in that picture. I believe. My phone was a different phone. But I was on the left talking. The phone would normally be propped up on that table.
Petrocelli: So the air conditioner is actually located on the opposite side of the bed from where the picture is. And it's about how many feet between the air conditioner and the picture? What's your best estimate? [Looks like about eight feet.] And the air conditioner is what, at eye level?
Kaelin: Yeah.

Petrocelli: And can you describe to us, by looking at exhibits 82 and 83, where that loud sound was that you heard on the wall?
Kaelin: Towards the center, the beginning of it, and it kinda finished up maybe a foot and a half more there (Indicating) then.
Petrocelli: --let's try this again. I want to be real precise here. You think that you first heard this noise around the center of the headboard? And then it kind of migrated towards the left?
Kaelin: On the third one . The noises were boom, boom, boom, like that, and the third one was probably a foot off from the original. It seemed like it was hitting a patter, like a boom, boom, boom.
Petrocelli: With the noise going in what direction?
Kaelin: ...air conditioner to the picture. {at height of} about five feet.

[MR. PETROCELLI: The witness is pointing to near the top of the headboard in sort of the center, a little to the left of center.]
Petrocelli: --how much did the picture move?
Kaelin: It moved at least six inches. It tilted completely.
Petrocelli: The top went towards and the bottom went away.After you asked Rachel about the earthquake and she said no, what did you then do?
Kaelin: I remember part of my dialogue was telling her that I was going to investigate it, and I knew that there was a pen flashlight in my drawer next to the bed.
And in talking to her, I had said. "I'm going to go and check on that noise.
And she was going, "No. Come over. Come over."
I said, "No. I'm going to check on this noise," and then I said, "But if I don't call you back in 10 minutes, start to worry. Call the police." It was some joke--in a joking manner I said It.
I was joking, but it was a nervous joke, and then she said, "Oh, no, I'm going to start to worry now."
I was afraid but playing the role that I wasn't afraid, but it--the real feeling inside was I was afraid.
Clark: SO AT APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME WAS IT THAT YOU EXITED YOUR ROOM TO GO OUT TO THE PATHWAY?
Kaelin: SO IT WAS ABOUT TWO TO THREE MINUTES AFTER THAT TIME, 10:43, 10:44. Clark suggestion of 10:40-10:45 is accepted by Kaelin:
Clark: LET ME BACK UP FOR A MINUTE. YOU INDICATED THAT YOU HEARD THE THUMPS ON THE WALL AT APPROXIMATELY 10:40 TO 10:45. BEFORE HEARING THE THUMPS YOU WERE TALKING ON THE PHONE TO RACHEL?
Kaelin: YES.
Farrara verifies [10:30 time check +10 minutes = 10:40]:
CLARK: HOW LONG AFTER THAT TIME WHEN HE SAID IT WAS 10:30 DID HE DESCRIBE HEARING AN EARTHQUAKE?
Ferrara: APPROXIMATELY TEN MINUTES.
Allan William Park - Grand Jury

21 CLARK: DID YOU NOTICE ANY CAR PARKED IN FRONT?
22 PARK: NO, I DID NOT.
23 CLARK: THERE WASN'T ANY CAR THERE?
24 PARK: NO.
25 CLARK: YOU WERE LOOKING THERE AND YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN
26 IT?
27 PARK: YEAH, I WOULD HAVE SAW IT IF IT WAS THERE.
28 CLARK: WHAT TIME WAS THAT?
1 PARK: THAT WAS JUST BEFORE 10:40.
2 CLARK: ABOUT 10:35 OR SO?
3 PARK: YEAH.
4 I THEN NOTICED THAT IT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER IF
5 I JUST BACKED UP AND CAME BACK TO THE OTHER DRIVEWAY
6 BECAUSE IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE I WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THE
7 TURN IN THE LIMOUSINE.
8 SO I DROVE BACK TO THE OTHER GATE.
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The Killing of Ronald Goldman

BY MR. SHAPIRO: AND YOU HEARD THE TESTIMONY OF DR. LAKSHMANAN THAT IN HIS OPINION THESE WOUNDS THATHE DESCRIBED AS CONTROL WOUNDS OR TAUNTING WOUNDS OCCURRED BEFORE THE CUTTING OF THE JUGULAR VEIN OF MR. GOLDMAN. ... DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT?
Dr. MICHAEL BADEN: NO. ... I THINK THE CUTTING OF THE JUGULAR VEIN OCCURRED EARLY ON IN THE -- IN THE STRUGGLE THAT HE HAD AND LED TO HIS DEATH BY HEMORRHAGE OVER A PERIOD OF MANY MINUTES OF HEMORRHAGE FROM THE JUGULAR VEIN.
THE CUTS ON THE -- THE OTHER CUTS ON THE NECK COULD HAVE HAPPENED AFTER THAT AND NEAR THE TIME OF DEATH, BECAUSE THERE IS VERY LITTLE BLEEDING IN THOSE, BUT I -- THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED AFTER THE CUT WOUND IN THE NECK.
CONCLUSION: {Aug 10} Small knife wounds on face might be consistant with poking to see if victim was still alive -- seeking reactive response. These are NOT control, or taunting wounds. Simpson's cut finger - non-existant on plane

BY MR. SHAPIRO: ... IN YOUR OPINION, IF THAT WOULD HAD HEALEDBEFORE THE PERSON -- HAD STOPPED BLEEDING BEFORE MR. SIMPSON HAD GOT ON THE PLANE, IF HE WAS ON THATPLANE FOR AN ENTIRE TRIP FROM LOS ANGELES TO CHICAGO,WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT UNBANDAGED FINGERREOPENING AND BLEEDING?
Dr. MICHAEL BADEN: I THINK THERE IS A -- IT WAS LIKELY TO BLEED FURTHER IN THE COURSE OF THAT -- AN UNPROTECTED TRIP LIKE THAT.
... IT OVERLAID THE KNUCKLES SO THAT WHEN THE FINGERS WOULD BE OPENED AND CLOSED IT WOULD TEND TO DISTURB THE CLOT THAT WAS DEVELOPING ANDCOULD EASILY OPEN UP FOR SOME BLEEDING TO OCCUR.
AND IF IT WERE UNPROTECTED BY A BAND-AID OR BANDAGE, IT WOULD BE EASY -- ANY CONTACT WITH A CHAIR, WITH LUGGAGE, WITH MOVEMENT, WOULD -- COULDCAUSE IT TO OPEN EVEN, SO I THINK THAT IT WOULD BEVERY LIKELY TO BLEED FURTHER OR TO BE OBVIOUS, IT WOULD BE AN OBVIOUS WOUND ON THE KNUCKLE UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.
CONCLUSION: {aug 10} The small side cuts could have happened at Rockingham, but the larger knuckle cut was from glass in Chicago.

MR. SHAPIRO: WHAT IF THE FATAL WOUND WERE THE LAST WOUNDS STRUCK?
Dr. LAKSHMANAN SATHYAVAGISWARAN: {June 15} THERE WERE QUITE A FEW FATAL WOUNDS. HE HAD TWO WOUNDS TO THE CHEST, ONE WOUND TO THE NECK WHICH CAUSED BLEEDING FROM THE JUGULAR VEIN. HE HAD AN AORTIC WOUND. THE THIGH WOUND WAS HOT FATAL, BUT IT WAS STILL CAUSING SIGNIFICANT BLEEDING.
THE ONLY OTHER WOUNDS YOU ARE LEFT WITH IS THREE, FOUR CUTS IN THE -- TWO CUTS ON THE TOP OF THE HEAD -- I MEAN OF THE BACK OF THE HEAD AND YOU HAVE BLUNT FORCE INJURIES TO THE HAND, SO I THINK THE INJURIES WHICH WERE INFLICTED TO HIM WERE SIGNIFICANT INJURIES, AND I THINK THEY COULD HAVE BEEN DONE VERY WELL WITHIN A MINUTE, AND I WOULD NOT EXPECT THE STRUGGLE TO HAVE BEEN MORE THAN A FEW MINUTES BASED ON THE INJURIES HE RECEIVED.
SO UNLESS THERE IS ANY OTHER POSSIBILITY YOU WANT TO OFFER, WE COULD DISCUSS IT.
... AS I ALREADY TOLD YOU, I DON'T THINK HE FOUGHT THE ATTACKER IN THE MANNER YOU ARE PORTRAYING BECAUSE HE WAS TRYING TO AVOID THE WOUNDS, AS I SEE IT.
I THINK MR. GOLDMAN WAS MAINLY DUCKING, TURNING, TWISTING AND BACKING WHEN THESE INJURIES TOOK PLACE, AS I ALREADY MENTIONED THAT HE WAS IN A CLOSED ENVIRONMENT, AND IN MY OWN FEELING HE WAS RAPIDLY INCAPACITATED. HE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE.
THE INJURIES ARE IN THE FRONT OF THE HANDS, THERE IS NO CUTS ON THE BACK, SO MY FEELING IS HE WAS TURNING, TWISTING AT SOME POINT BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE CLOTHING INJURIES WE HAVE.
HE WAS DUCKING BECAUSE HE HAS GOT INJURIES TO THE FRONT OF THE HANDS AS IF HE WAS FACING THE ASSAILANT AND MOST LIKELY BACKING INTO THE BUSHES WITH HIS FLAILING HANDS WHEN THE ATTACK TOOK PLACE, AND THAT IS MY OPINION FROM WHAT I CAN SEE OF THE INJURIES WE HAVE DISCUSSED IT.
Shapiro excludes short person as killer - "ARNELLE"

.... IT'S DIFFICULT TO TELL THE SIZE OF ASSAILANT. BUT GIVEN MY OPINION ON MR. GOLDMAN'S WHERE YOU HAVE PARALLEL CUTS TO THE NECK, THE PERPETRATOR MUST HAVE BEEN AT LEAST AS TALL OR TALLER TO GET THOSE PARALLEL CUTS BECAUSE TO HOLD -- BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY MR. GOLDMAN WAS IMMOBILIZED AND THERE WERE PARALLEL CUTS TO THE NECK. IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR A PERPETRATOR OF SMALLER SIZE TO INFLICT THOSE PARALLEL CUTS TO THE NECK. IT WILL BE DIFFICULT. I'M JUST SAYING IT WILL BE --
... -- THE PERPETRATOR BEING IN THE BACK AND THE VICTIM BEING IN THE FRONT OF THE PERPETRATOR.
AND SINCE THEY WERE CONTROLLED CUTS, IN MY OPINION, THE VICTIM WAS MOST LIKELY IMMOBILIZED DURING THAT -- DURING THAT POSITION WHEN THAT WOUND WAS INFLICTED. SO I WOULD -- BASED ON THAT, I SAID I WOULD FAVOR THE PERPETRATOR TO BE AT LEAST OF LARGER SIZE OR EQUAL SIZE OF MR. GOLDMAN TO IMMOBILIZE HIM WHEN THIS TOOK PLACE.
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Alan Park sees two cars matching PHOTO
COCHRAN: AND WE HAVE ALREADY COVERED THE FACT THAT YOU ARE CLEAR ABOUT THE BENTLEY, BUT NOT SO CLEAR ABOUT THE CAR BEHIND, RIGHT?
PARK: CORRECT.
COCHRAN: AND DOES THAT PHOTOGRAPH {people's 136} COMPORT WITH YOUR PRESENT RECOLLECTION OF HOW THE CARS WERE CONFIGURED THAT NIGHT WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING INTO THE ROCKINGHAM GATE?
PARK: YES.
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[10:43:44], Car phone bill records Park calling his boss's pager. Return
Kaelin
{deposition day 8 - Has BREWER accepted noise was at 10:45?}
Brewer: And, Mr. Simpson, as you've already testified in this deposition, you were the only person that knows your whereabouts between 10:00 o'clock and 10:45. Is that true?
SIMPSON: I believe so, yes.
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2245 - [estimated] Heidstra sees three cars come from direction of Bundy.
Fuhrman: {March 14th) HE {Kaelin} SAID AT ABOUT 10:45 HE HEARD A CRASHING ON HIS WALL AND HE THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN EARTHQUAKE. HIS PICTURE SHOOK. AND THEN HE CONTINUED TO SAY THAT HE WENT OUT TO INVESTIGATE IT AND HE SAW A LIMO AT THE GATE.
Simpson: About...the limo was supposed to be there at 10:45. Normally, they get there a little earlier. I was rushing around -- somewhere between there and 11.
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[10:46:20] Park calls his mother. Return

2247 Investigate Noise & Nicole's Akita

MARCIA CLARK: Now, you indicated that within five minutes or so of 10:45 is when you got home from the airport?
LOUIS KARPF: I would say it's closer to 10:45, 10:50, in that area.
MARCIA CLARK: Are you certain that you got home before 10:50?
LOUIS KARPF: Not absolutely, no.
MARCIA CLARK: What's the very latest you think you could have gotten home?
LOUIS KARPF: By 10:50.
MARCIA CLARK: No later than that?
LOUIS KARPF: No.
MARCIA CLARK: The gentleman that you indicated that you saw walking the dog, you don't remember his height or his weight? Was that your testimony?
LOUIS KARPF: Yes, I did. I really didn't- wasn't trying to observe him.
MARCIA CLARK: Do you recall how long you were outside in front of Bundy when you went to get the mail?
LOUIS KARPF: The whole process may have taken one to two minutes.
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[10:49:07] Park Carphone records -- no answer.Return
2250 Kaelin sees the Limo:
CLARK: AND ABOUT WHAT TIME WAS IT THAT YOU HUNG UP?
Kaelin APPROXIMATELY 10:50.

Kaelin: --and then I took the pen light and headed back up out the door--to the pathway, past Ashford. I was going to go behind the garage and head down there.
Petrocelli: Now, when you came up to--when you got out of your door and you went up the stairs, you were intending to go to the location behind your room. That's where you heard the noise, and that's where you were going to investigate. Now, was there another way of getting there instead of going around the house, out to the Ashford side and coming back around?
Kaelin: I could have gone--Yes, there is. I could have gone--instead of going up the pathway, I could have gone right. Past Arnelle's room. And then gone though--past the maid's other room. And then there is a gate or--wrought iron gate, but there is no door to it. And you could kinda squeeze in through there, but there was like a lot of trees, a lot of mud. It was a thing that you wouldn't do normally. You would never go--it wasn't a path. A person would never go there like at nighttime. It was like muddy and spider webs, and it was a thing where you kinda--I scraped-- Well, there's like a --there's a garden but not really a garden. It's just like a patch of mud that's --where a garden should be, but I imagine, yeah, there would be mud there.
Petrocelli: But you went up --down the steps, past the pool, around this path. And then you came around this path that heads on near Ashford Street. Go past the entrance to the house? And your intention was to walk from that point all the way in an easterly direction until you get behind your room. Right?
Kaelin: Yes.
Petrocelli: Had you ever done that before?
Kaelin: No. There was a guy from the cable company once, I believe, phone company or cable company, that I went back there with a long time ago, and the kids had been back there once or twice before in the daytime, and that was it.
So I had gone through my room door up the stairs to the pathway, and when I got to the pathway looked to my right, and I noticed that there was a limo parked out in front at the gates. The gates were not opened. So I looked and I thought, okay, there's a limo there. I thought it was all attended to, and I walked back to the garage, the first gate.
There's a--first gate here is broken. You can pick it up manually and lean it against the tree. There's a tree there. So I picked it up, placed it there, and I walked down about five feet and-- [You went about halfway down the length of the garage.] I think I was looking with the flashlight kind of like this (Indicating) and going, oh, it's dark. I shouldn't be back here, and turned around, and I just turned around.
I just had an eerie feeling that night, so it was just adding up. So I turned around. put the gate up, and I walked and I noticed the limo guy was still out there. And so when I saw the limo guy still out there, I went, huh, I probably should let him in. So I went to this gate control box (Indicating - inside the Ashford gate), and it's a button--
So I pressed the box--the button, and the doors opened up on the gate. And Chachi was right there, the dog, and the guy started the car, pulled up, and I saw Chachi crossing. Chachi went in front of the limo and laid down in this one spot that he lays.

He went up to the driveway right here (Indicating) where the two park benches are. And stopped there.
BY MS. CLARK: NOW, APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME WAS IT WHEN YOU THINK YOU SAW THE LIMO DRIVER -- EXCUSE ME -- THE LIMOUSINE PARKED AT THE ASHFORD GATE?
Kaelin: ABOUT 10:50. SO I HAD THE FLASHLIGHT AND THE LIMO WAS HERE, (INDICATING), SO I START WALKING THIS WAY, (INDICATING), AND I HAD THE LIGHT ON AND I WENT -- THERE IS A GATE HERE, (INDICATING), THAT IS -- I COULD PICK UP THE GATE. YOU CAN PICK IT UP, IT IS NOT WORKING, SO I LEANED IT AGAINST THE TREE AND I WENT DOWN JUST A BIT -- THE PEN LIGHT -- THE LIGHT WAS PRETTY DIM. I LOOKED A LITTLE BIT AND THEN I CAME BACK.

Petrocelli: When you made that initial route, your testimony is you did not see any lights on in the inside, you did not see the coach lights on the Outside, and you did not see the knapsack behind the Bentley. Is that right?
Kaelin: As far as I remember, yes.
[On March 23rd, Marcia Clark repeats the testimony to the Court, in this exchange:
"MS. CLARK: OKAY. FOR THE RECORD, THE WITNESS HAS INDICATED HE WALKED SOUTH ON THE DRIVEWAY OVER TO THE GARAGE AREA, MADE A LEFT AT THE CORNER OF THE GARAGE AND WALKED IN ON THAT SOUTH PATHWAY A SHORT DISTANCE.
THE COURT: YES.]
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Kaelin RUNNING to the driveway {BGK - depos1}

CLARK: SO YOU WENT WHERE?
KATO: OKAY.
SO I'M RUNNING DOWN THIS SIDEWALK AND I SEE THAT THERE IS A LIMO OUT IN FRONT. IT'S DARK; I SEE NO ONE IN IT AND THE DOG, CHACHI -- THAT'S A BLACK CHOW -- IS SOMEWHERE HERE IN THE DRIVEWAY.
AND I GO WITH THE FLASHLIGHT AND I STARTED WALKING THERE, AS I SAID, AND I GET TO ABOUT HERE. AND THE FLASHLIGHT WAS VERY DIM. IT WAS LIKE ONE OF THOSE SMALL FLASHLIGHTS AND THE BEAM WAS KIND OF BAD ON IT. AND I WAS SCARED.
SO AFTER I STAYED THERE, I WENT BACK OUT THIS WAY, NOTICED THE GATE WAS NOT OPEN FOR THE DRIVER AND I WENT TO THE GATE TO PRESS A BUTTON HERE AND IT OPENS THE GATE UP.
establishes seperation

CLARK: YOU OPENED THE GATE UP FOR WHAT PURPOSE?
KATO: TO LET THE LIMO IN.
CLARK: SO YOU DIDN'T INITIALLY LET HIM IN WHEN YOU FIRST SAW HIM?
KATO: NO.
CLARK: NOW, AT THE TIME THAT YOU WALKED AROUND TO THE ASHFORD GATE, COULD YOU TELL US WHETHER THE ROLLS ROYCE WAS PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY?
KATO: WHEN I WAS WALKING UP, THERE WAS A ROLLS ROYCE, YES.

CLARK: SO YOU WALKED AROUND THE ASHFORD SIDE, YOU LOOKED DOWN BY THE GARAGE, CAME BACK. WHEN YOU WALKED -- STRIKE THAT. YOU CAME BACK, AND AT THAT POINT WHEN YOU WALKED BACK TOWARDS THE ASHFORD GATE IS WHEN YOU LET THE DRIVER IN?
KATO: AFTER I WENT TO THE GARAGE AREA?
CLARK: YES.
KATO: YES, I WENT TO LET THE DRIVER IN.

2251 Kaelin Coach Lights NOT ON

Petrocelli: There are some benches out there and there are some coach lights. If those coach lights are on they can be seen from the Ashford gate entrance. Correct?
Kaelin: Yes.

Kaelin affirms PARK testimony. Establishes that
the lights were turned on,
while Kaelin was on South walkway.
This PRECLUDES Clark's Summation assertion that the noise occured at 10:52.

Petrocelli: - when you went by the door the first time to investigate, did you go past the Bentley to get to the garage?
Kaelin: Yes, I walked by. {the Bentley, & The Bentley was in the driveway.}
Petrocelli: Did you see anything behind the Bentley?
Kaelin: I don't remember. l don't think so. I think it was -- there was nothing there.
Petrocelli: In other words, did you see this black knapsack that later on you saw?
Kaelin: At that time I believe I did not see it.
Petrocelli: And then you walked by the Bentley and you go investigate. Now, when you came back and walked back to the limousine -- to the area where the limousine was waiting outside, you then let the limousine in. So on your way back to letting the limousine in, did you notice if any of the downstairs interior lights had been turned on?
Kaelin: I thought the lights were on. I thought then lights were on.
Petrocelli: And did you also think that the downstairs coach lights on the outside of the entryway door were on?
Kaelin: I think so. I think they were on.
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2251 - Coach Lights Off

Petrocelli: When you first came out the path and saw the limousine driver. Starting from that moment in time and continuing walking down the driveway, going around, opening the gate, going down, coming back, coming around and going to the control box.
Kaelin: Minute to two minutes.
TWO MINUTES FROM SEEING LIMOUSINE
to 10:54 when he is seen.
Places Kato in front of the Limo around 10:52.
The time when Park was behind the Post pressing the Buzzer.

Petrocelli: During that period of time you walked by the entrance to the front door twice. Right?
Kaelin: Yes.
Petrocelli: And did you see golf clubs there?
Kaelin: I did. I think it was when I came back the second time. Golf clubs. I don't --they could have been there when I first walked, but I can't recollect, and now I think that when I came back, I think there's golf clubs there. So--
Golf Clubs come out at 10:53

Petrocelli: You remembered seeing the golf clubs for the first time on the way back from the garage.
Kaelin: Yes.
Petrocelli: And were the outside coach lights on?
Kaelin: Yeah, the little lights that were out there, yes.
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[10:52.17] Carphone records.
{Deposition 15 February 1996}
Petrocelli: Now, when you came out of the -- of your room to go investigate the sounds that you heard -- and you went out into the backyard to begin your route around the house-- did you notice if Mr. Simpson's bedroom lights were on?
Kaelin: I thought they were off. I thought the lights in the bottom were off, and I thought the lights upstairs were on. In my testimony before I always thought the lights upstairs were on.
Petrocelli: When you say 'upstairs." you mean Mr. Simpson's bedroom? And did you observe any sign or flashing or any other indication that the television in Mr. Simpson's bedroom was on?
Kaelin: I did not notice it.
Petrocelli: Then you walked around the property, you said you thought that the lights downstairs were off?
Kaelin: I thought they were off, yes.
Petrocelli: Okay. And when you walked around the path, saw the limousine and then walked down the driveway to the garage to investigate the sounds, did you observe whether the lights downstairs in the front of the house were on or off?
Kaelin: I believe, from what I recollect, the lights in the bottom were not on, in the bottom of the -- Inside the house there was dark. { I thought the coach lights were lights that were the small ones on the path, but now I know coach lights are on the door, brighter lights. }
Petrocelli: Now, I asked you about coach lights yesterday, and I'm glad Mr. Baker brought this up-- because I was a little confused yesterday because you referred to coach lights as lights that were apparently on the ground. Is that right? And your recollection was that the lights on the ground were on or off?
Kaelin: The ground lights I thought were on. They're usually on.
Petrocelli: And these lights that are being called coach lights that were outside the front door, left and right of the door --
Kaelin: I recollect those being off.
Petrocelli: Now, do you recollect those being off as you went by the door the first time to investigate?
Kaelin: Yes.
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2253 - Limo still outside
Petrocelli: You saw those coach lights on when you came back from the garage. Right?
Kaelin: Yeah. They light up around the house.
Petrocelli: No. I mean right where the doorway is, the entranceway.
Kaelin: Yes, I believe so.
Petrocelli: And then you went and saw the limo was still there, and you go to the control box and press the box, and he comes in?

Petrocelli: When you came out this path and saw the limousine, did you see Mr. Simpson at that point?
Kaelin: I don't believe so.
Petrocelli: When you went to check behind the garage for the first time, did you see Mr. Simpson at that point in time?
Kaelin: No.

Petrocelli: When you went to investigate the voices the first time and then walked back, is it when you walked back to the limousine that you saw the interior lights on at that time?
Kaelin: I can't be positive. I remember in my testimony at some point I said the doors were opened and I thought the lights were on, the front doors--- and I don't remember the exact timing of that, but I remember saying in testimony, "The doors were open and the lights were on," and my concentration was still on the thumps -- That I remember at that -- I can't remember the exact trip -- could have been the second one -- where I thought the doors were open and those coach lights were on and the lights were on downstairs, from what I remember.
Petrocelli: And could it have been the return of the first trip that you then saw the lights on and doors open for the first time?
Kaelin: It could have been.

2254
Kaelin:...AND THE LIMO WAS STILL THERE AND I THOUGHT MAYBE I SHOULD LET THIS GUY IN, SO I WENT TO THE GATE CONTROL BOX, THERE IS A BUTTON, PRESSED AND IT OPENS UP.

Petrocelli: When you went back to let in the limousine driver, had you seen--did you see Mr. Simpson as of that point in time?
Kaelin: No.
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[10:55.42] Park conculdes call; Heidstra listens to Akita, barking sporadic and then stops. Grand Jury - the lights seen after Suimpson enters house.

CLARK: WHEN YOU FIRST ARRIVED AT THE HOUSE, WERE THERE ANY LIGHTS ON?
PARK: ONLY ONE UPSTAIRS. {None Downstairs.}
CLARK: WHEN THE MALE BLACK WALKED INTO THE HOUSE, WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
PARK: SOME LIGHTS TURNED ON DOWNSTAIRS AND THE MALE WHITE STILL DID NOT LET ME IN. AND I GOT BACK OUT OF THE CAR AND I RANG THE BELL AGAIN AND O.J. ANSWERED THE INTERCOM FROM THERE.
CLARK: YOU RECOGNIZED THAT PERSON WHO ANSWERED THE BELL AS MR. SIMPSON? What did he say?
PARK: HE SAID, "SORRY. I OVERSLEPT AND I JUST GOT OUT OF THE SHOWER. I WILL BE DOWN IN A MINUTE."
CLARK: AFTER YOU HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH MR. SIMPSON, WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
PARK: THE MALE WHITE PAUSED FOR ANOTHER MINUTE AS HE WAS STILL STANDING IN THE SAME POSITION AS WHERE HE WAS.
AT THAT TIME, HE PROCEEDED TO COME OVER AND OPEN THE GATE FOR ME.
CLARK: WHEN, IN RELATION TO SEEING THE MALE WHITE COME OUT FROM THE ASHFORD SIDE OF THE HOUSE, DID YOU SEE THIS MALE BLACK WALKING DOWN THE DRIVEWAY?
PARK: AS IN TIME? SECONDS. ALMOST, IF NOT SIMULTANEOUSLY.
Where was the small bag?

21 KATO: WHEN I CAME BACK OUT THE SECOND TIME, THERE WAS
22 LIKE A BAG THAT I DID NOTICE.
23 CLARK: WHERE WAS THAT BAG?
24 KATO: THAT'S THE ROLLS ROYCE.
25 IF THIS AREA IS GRASS AND THE CEMENT STARTS
26 HERE, IT WAS ON THE GRASS.
Golf Ball bag went in the trunk.

CLARK: WHAT ABOUT THE BAG BY THE ROLLS ROYCE? WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT BAG?
PARK: THE WHITE MALE OFFERED TO GO GET IT AND MR. SIMPSON SAID, "NO; NO. THAT'S OKAY. I CAN GET IT. THAT'S ALL RIGHT."
CLARK: DID MR. SIMPSON GET THAT BAG?
PARK: YES, HE DID.
CLARK: DID YOU SEE WHERE HE PUT IT?
PARK: HE PUT IT IN THE TRUNK.
CLARK: HE PUT THAT INTO THE TRUNK BEFORE OR AFTER HE STEPPED INTO THE HOUSE WITH THE MALE WHITE AND HAD THE CONVERSATION?
PARK: THAT WAS BEFORE.

Park sees Simpson go to second car, but it's NOT behind the Bentley -- 'cause the bag was.
CLARK: DURING THAT TIME {when you were talking to Kaelin} WAS WHEN HE WENT OVER AND GOT THE BAG BY THE ROLLS ROYCE?
PARK: YES. HE GOT THAT BAG AND HE ALSO MADE ANOTHER TRIP TO GET HIS GOLF BAG FROM ONE OF THE VEHICLES. I DIDN'T SEE WHICH ONE OF THE CARS HE GOT IT OUT OF.
AND AT THAT POINT -- THAT'S -- THAT'S WHEN THEY WENT INTO THE HOUSE AND THEY DISCUSSED SOMETHING BRIEFLY. I DON'T KNOW. AND TO GO BACK, WHEN MR. SIMPSON MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, "OH, WE HAD AN EARTHQUAKE?" THE MALE WHITE SAID, "YES," OR, YOU KNOW, HE SAID, "WE MIGHT HAVE HAD AN EARTHQUAKE."
AT THAT TIME THEY CAME BACK OUT, I CLOSED THE CAR UP AND HE SAID, "WE HAVE GOT TO GO."
HE -- WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE EARTHQUAKE, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GOING AND SEARCHING THE PROPERTY TOGETHER. HE TOLD THE MALE WHITE, "YOU GO ONE WAY AND I'LL GO THE OTHER WAY." AT THAT TIME, I HAD THE CAR CLOSED UP AND I WAS READY TO GO AND AS I HEARD HIM SAY THAT, I FIGURED IF THERE WAS ANY KIND OF TROUBLE THAT I WOULD WALK AROUND THE HOUSE WITH THEM. AT THAT POINT, THE MALE WHITE WALKED OVER TO THE CORNER OF THE GARAGE AND O.J. SIMPSON NEVER FOLLOWED HIM. HE JUST CAME OVER TO THE BACK OF THE CAR AND SAID, "WE HAVE GOT TO GO," AND HE JUMPED IN.
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[10:55.42] - Park talks to Simpson on intercom.
PETROCELLI: When you picked up the phone in your bedroom from Alan Park, what did you say to him?
SIMPSON: Actually I started talking before he spoke. I just picked it up because I thought it was Dale, and I said, "Yeah, yeah, I know I'm running late. I'll be right down."
If he didn't call me right back, because I thought I might have hung up right then and then he called right back, and -- because he had said something to me that -- rather tentatively, "I've been here," and I said--I guess I said something about, "Yeah, I know. I've been in the shower, but I'm coming right down," and that was it.
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2257 Limousine enters
Petrocelli: When the limousine came in and parked and got out--when the limousine came and parked, the limousine driver got out. What did you then do?
Kaelin: --and I believe I mentioned to him a few things, and the order I'll try to do the best I can: I asked if we had this earthquake. I heard this noise, and I asked him, and he said no, that he was coming up from Redondo Beach and he wasn't aware of it.And then I said, "Did O.J. oversleep?" And I think he had said no, that he just talked to him. Sleep came up, but I think the driver said also that O.J. said he overslept.
But I told him about the noise, and I said, "I'm going to investigate this noise," and when I was saying that to him, I start walking back towards the garage area. And I said to Chachi, the dog, I said, "Chachi, come with me." and he just laid there, and I commented to the driver, I said, "Isn't that a great watchdog?" And--
Jokingly, right. So then I went back there, and I went and picked up the gate again, went back. There is a second gate. I made it up to that second gate, but I didn't open the gate. I stayed right there and kinda went like this (Indicating).
Well, I figured there is a limo driver there. I was more nervy to go down a little bit further down the gate. I had more nerve, and I figured, okay, this is far enough. This flashlight's not really working. I'm not gonna chance it anymore, so I came back. {because I was} Scared.
Kaelin: You know. I just said it to him to reassure myself. I don't know. It was just the part of the thing I just said to him. I said, "Hey, did we have this earthquake? Because I felt this thing." I even went to explain about this picture moving. "It's the weirdest thing. You know, hey, this picture in my room moving around. Well, whatever, I'm going to go back to this here." So I explained to him where I was going. I guess in case something ever happened to me, I was going back there, tell him. So I went back and...
Petrocelli: Did you ask him for a flashlight?
Kaelin: At one point I did, yes.

Petrocelli takes different tact:
He questions appearance of knapsack.

Petrocelli: By the way, following up on Mr. Baker's suggested question about 20 minutes ago, did you check to see if the knapsack was behind the Bentley or if anything was behind the Bentley?
Kaelin: I don't believe that I did. I was kinda focused on that.

Petrocelli: Let me ask you this question: When you came back from investigating the noises the first time and you walked back towards the Ashford gate, you had to walk by the Bentley. Right?
I am showing you what we have previously seen yesterday. This is Plaintiffs' 27. and this is a sketch of the Rockingham property, and I cannot represent that this is to scale. I just don't know.
Anyway, you told us yesterday that you -- when you came out from this pathway behind the house on the north side -- Do you see that? -- you walked out onto the driveway. You did not stop to wave or signal in any way to the limousine. Is that right?
Kaelin: Correct.
Petrocelli: You didn't even know who the driver was. Right? And you came down the limousine and you walked around the garage. Correct? To go investigate.
Kaelin: Correct.
Petrocelli: Now, where was the Bentley? Okay. You are pointing to this little alcove. Right? And did you see, when you came by that time to investigate, whether there was any piece of luggage -- on the ground behind the Bentley or on the lawn, for that matter?
Kaelin: I'm pretty sure there was not.
Petrocelli: Now, when you came back from investigating and went to let the limousine driver, did you see it then?
Now, when you came back from investigating and went to let the limousine driver, did you see it then? On the return from the first trip.
Kaelin: I don't remember seeing it, no.
Petrocelli: Then you went and let the limousine driver in. Right? And the limousine pulls in. Right?
Kaelin: Yes. {and} I think I put the golf clubs in.
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2258 Load Golf Clubs
Petrocelli: Did-- Did you put any luggage in the car before you went back there?
Kaelin: I saw that the golf clubs were in an area where they normally would be like the luggage -- for a trip, so I thought I'll pick it up. I said, "I'll put these in the trunk," and he popped the trunk, and I put them in the trunk. It was, you know, like an airline-- Cover bag.
Petrocelli: Now, when you picked up that golf cover bag, did you see any other luggage there at that time? And if there had been other luggage there, would you have also picked that up?
Kaelin: Yeah. I would have assumed that that's what it was there for; put it in there. I thought the limo driver was going to do it, so I just put it in myself. Okay. Now, I put the golf bag in there, and I asked him if we had--if he had a flashlight, and I was going to do it again to look for--even further down there with a better flashlight. So he had looked in his glove box, and he said, "No, I don't have a flashlight."
Well, at some point O.J. was outside.
I saw it--I saw it the first trip, and then I think it was the--in my head, it was a trip--I've already made two trips, but I thought there was a part where I had seen him. And then I noticed a bag by the Bentley, a knapsack bag. But I had the dialogue of telling O.J., "I heard this noise, and the driver doesn't have a flashlight and my flashlight is just terrible. Do we have a better a flashlight?" And--Go on?
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2300 Kaelin's Second Trip Behind House

John Kelly: What specifically had he told you, if you recall?
SIMPSON: That behind his -- there was noises. "Was there an earthquake? There was some noises." I really wasn't paying that much attention to him because I was trying to leave, but he seemed concerned, and at one point I suggested he go one way and I go another way. In case somebody was there, there would be only two ways they can go, but we ended up not doing it.

Petrocelli: Now, at any time during this trip in -- to investigate the sounds and go back to let the limo driver in, did you see O.J. Simpson?
Kaelin: I -- in my head I remember always seeing the dark sweat suit. The time, I don 't know. I don 't know. I was investigating sounds. I always have a picture in my head of the dark suit. and I can't distinguish exact time, but it was the time that the limo driver was -- I think -- I don't know if he was already out or in, but I just remember that always having a dark suit.
Petrocelli: When you came back from investigating the second time and returned directly -- to the limousine, is that when you first saw Mr. Simpson?
Kaelin: Best of my recollection, it is. I thought I saw him going, into the house, and that was it, and then I had questioned him about the noise. I just got him outside before he went in the house and said to him -- I don't know if he was putting luggage into the car or what. It was just there, and I started talking to him.
{I said} "Hey, O.J., I heard this noise back there. It was really weird. It moved my picture," and all that. And was like, you know, "I think maybe somebody's back there."
He said. "Oh, we'd better check on it." And I said, "I've got this a flashlight. This is like the only thing I have. Do we have a better flashlight?" He said, "Well, I better check if we have a better flashlight," and then he went into the house.

Petrocelli: Did you see him at any time go down to the Rockingham gate, go out the gate and go to the Bronco? Did you see him go to the Bronco? Did you see him go to the Rockingham gate? Did you see him open the Rockingham gate?
Kaelin: No.
Petrocelli: Do you know if the Rockingham gate can be opened manually without requiring the gate to open electronically?
Kaelin: I don't think it can. I don't think that gate can.
Petrocelli: Can you somehow slip in and out without the gate opening -- all the way?
Kaelin: I don't think so.
Petrocelli: Now, at anytime before you let that Limousine driver in, do you believe you saw a person who you believed to be O.J. Simpson? You said that you saw a person who you believed could have been O.J. Simpson on -- at the corner where the Rockingham driveway intersects the Ashford -- I'm sorry -- where the driveway coming from Rockingham intersects the driveway coming from Ashford at that corner there. Right?
Kaelin: Yeah, I remember seeing O.J. outside. I don't know if it was at the time I let the limo in or not, but it was the dark sweat suit, and that I remember.
Petrocelli: You have a clear image of seeing O.J. in a dark sweat suit? And you have a clear image of seeing O.J. in a dark sweat suit at that spot that you just indicated where I am pointing to (Indicating)? Sort of behind where the Bentley would be?
Kaelin: Well, I think it was more here -- it was I thought walking right around here (Indicating). It looked like {walking} to the door.
Petrocelli: So you believe you may -- you believe you saw O.J. Simpson walking from the general vicinity of the Bentley to the general vicinity of the front entrance of the door.
Kaelin: Yes.
Petrocelli: You didn't think it was a prowler, did you?
Kaelin: No. It was O.J.
Petrocelli: You said he had on a black sweat suit. Can you describe that sweat suit for us?
Kaelin: I thought it was that one I described before. It was like a black-all black. I thought + there was a white type zipper. I think it was a jogging -- I think it reminded my of like a jogging/tennis outfit. and black with a white-kind of a sharp one. It just was black with white -- like if this zipper went all the way down like this (Indicating), it was white, and then black. Black pants. {Doesn't know about the shoes} That's what I don't know, if it was the time that happened. I remember seeing like the dark sweat suit. I thought that was the suit -- the entire time was the dark suit. So I don't know if Alan Park was in yet or not. I can't get it in my mind the exact timing of that, of that event, but I remember a dark sweat suit in my head and O.J. in a dark suit.
That's when -- I don't know if that's when I let the limo driver or if he was in already or not. I'm trying to remember if that's the timing of when I let him in. I can't remember the exact moment if he was already in or not.
There was just so much that was going on, with the call to Rachel back there, the noises I heard, the little flashlight, and I couldn't associate it. and I think that's when I let the limo driver in, but I'm not l00 percent positive. I just don't know. I just don't know.
I can't recollect when it was. I don't know for sure. I don't know for sure when it was.
I don't know because this is so long ago and there's been so many news stories. that I'm so confused. So I don't know if it's before or after. I can't -- I don't --

SIMPSON: I have a habit, and I don't know why, but I have a habit that once the limo get there, that sometimes my -- well, my golf clubs were packed this time. Normally they're not. He -- the limo driver sometimes has to do that. And historically I'm always looking for my cell phone. That's just -- don't ask me why. It's just a situation that normally Michelle will go out to the car and get it if she 's there or the limo driver would go look somewhere for it if he's there. It's just--you know, it's just the way I am.
When I came down, I didn't have it {the cellphone}. I walked back in the house and got it off a counter, and I didn't have the rest of the stuff to go with it, which I consider -- you know, it's like a football helmet: You know, if you don't have your helmet, you don't have your uniform. Even though you might have on all the other stuff, you're still not properly dressed. I needed the rest of my stuff, so I didn't have it all together, no.
BREWER: Do you recall ever actually moving towards -- making any affirmative effort to move towards the pathway to look down to see whether you could determine the origin of the noises that he described?
SIMPSON: I tried at one point when I was coming back from the Bronco. I did look, but it was dark, and that's when we talked about getting a flashlight. Yeah, and I was coming back, and they were -- I guess they were talking about flashlights at the time.
Petrocelli: Well, let me stop you there. Is it your recollection that you first saw O.J. Simpson that evening during this period of time after you made the second trip behind the garage?
Kaelin: The best of my recollection is the second time--after the second time.

Petrocelli: After you put the golf clubs in and conversed with the driver. You then went back to investigate a second time. Is that right? And when you came back to investigate the second time. did you see the black knapsack or other piece of luggage was -- at the base of the Bentley?
Kaelin: I think I noticed it being there.
Petrocelli: When you investigated the second time? On the way back. So you turned around and then headed back towards the house. When you saw it, did you wonder what it was?
Kaelin: I believe so. I saw a bag there. I didn't know if it was part of the trip or not, the packing, but I saw a bag.
Petrocelli: And then you walked back to the limousine. Right? And then Later on, you told us moments later, after you went in the house with Simpson and came back out, you then went to retrieve that black knapsack. Right? And is that the same knapsack that you believe you had previously seen? And when you attempted to retrieve it, Mr. Simpson said?
Kaelin: "I'll get it. Okay, I got it."
Petrocelli: And then he overtook you to get it? Okay. Did you see what he did with it? Did you see what he did with it? You don't know if he took it in the back seat with him?
Kaelin: I never saw it again. I don't remember at all. I don't remember seeing him pick it up or anything. I was walking back already when the action took place.
Petrocelli: When Mr. Simpson passed by you to get the black knapsack, was he carrying anything?
Kaelin: I don't think so.
Park sees Small Bag - No mention of 2nd Car
26 CLARK DID YOU SEE ANY OTHER BAGS THAT WERE IN THE
27 DRIVEWAY?
28 PARK THERE WAS ONE TOWARDS THE ROCKINGHAM ENTRANCE,
1 BEHIND THE ROLLS ROYCE.

BREWER: Okay. Just so my question is on the record, this is when you went out to the Bronco to get the telephone case?
SIMPSON: Yes.
BREWER: And then on your way back, you went over and made some effort to look up the pathway?
SIMPSON: No. As I was walking back, l could see it was dark there, and I said, "well, let's" -- "you go one way and I'll go around the other way.' It was at the time -- Yes. I said, "You go one way and I'll go the other way," and that's when he made a comment about flashlights, and that's what initiated all the flashlight stuff.
BREWER: Okay. Going inside and looking for the flashlight? And after that, other than making a comment, did you ever then go to either side of the pathway to look down to see whether you could determine the origin of the noises that he referred to?
SIMPSON: We never found the flashlight, and I had to go. When I was coming back from the Bronco, he was standing --they were like in the front there. I can't tell you exactly where they were. Kato was still talking about going around the side, and as I was coming back, I was talking to him, and I said something about, "You go one way and I'll go the other way," and that's when I became aware that there was a real flashlight problem.
BREWER: Okay. And then after you went through the flashlight episode, trying to locate a flashlight, you came out and got into the limousine?
SIMPSON: Got directly into the limo.

From Preliminary Hearing - this is NOT the AKITA:
Clark: Did it sound like the same dog that you had heard barking earlier, at 10:15 or so?
Fenjves: Yes, it was definitely the same dog.
Clark: at What point did you go to sleep that night, sir?
Fenjves: I don't know. I went -- I went to bed about, you know, a little after 11:00, and I read for a while. And the dog was still barking and, you know, eventually I turned out the light and went to sleep.
Shapiro: How long did that barking continue?
Fenjves: Until I fell asleep, which may have been 11:30, 11:40.

Rosa hears Simpson, Park, Kaelin Walraven Feb 27th

BY MR. COCHRAN: DID ANYTHING ELSE ATTRACT YOUR ATTENTION LATER THAT EVENING? AND DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT WAS, APPROXIMATELY WHEN THAT WAS, MA'AM?
Lopez: ABOUT 11:00 P.M., I HEARD THE VOICE AND I COULDN'T DISTINGUISH WHAT MR. SIMPSON WAS SAYING. BUT I HEARD THE VOICE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE SAID.
THEN EVERYTHING WAS QUIET.
AT THAT TIME, I'M ALWAYS IN MY BEDROOM ALL THE TIME.
BY MR. COCHRAN: DID THERE COME A TIME WHEN THINGS WEREN'T QUIET IN AND AROUND THE -- YOUR RESIDENCE OR MR. SIMPSON'S RESIDENCE?
Lopez: ABOUT 12:00 MIDNIGHT, I HEARD THAT -- MEN THAT WERE TALKING ON THE ROCKINGHAM SIDE AND HIS DOG, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS NAME IS, THAT IT'S A BLACK DOG WAS BARKING A LOT. HE BARKED AND HE CRIED, SIR.

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2301 Need better Flashlight to checkout Noise
SCHWAB: {prelim} After following -- again, it ended up being kind of a procession with myself and my dog and followed by the Akita and followed by the officer, and this led all the way back to Bundy and Montana.
I turned right on Montana to head home with the dog still following me. He pulled into a driveway near my house and we spoke again, and at that time I gave him my address -- my name also, address and phone number. And we agreed that I would continue to hold onto the dog since that seemed to be what the dog wanted to do, and he would take care of contacting animal control.

Simpson's Small Cut
The probable sequence of events:
Simpson brings out the luggage.
Hurrying, he doesn't notice he has begun to bleed.
The blood first manifests itself while Simpson is in the doorway. While admittedly a small quantity, this is where the highest concentrtion of blood was found.
Simpson, Exiting the house while Kato tells Park about the "earthquake", is seen {by PARK} going to "the cars" - he isn't sure which one to get "golf bag". It is now that Simpson probably dripped blood on the driveway.
Reaching the Bronco, the blood has already stopped, but deposits a small drop under the door handle.
Returning with the cellphone case, Simpson and Kato go into the house.
In the kitchen, Simpson notices a little blood on his small finger - he wipes it off and, noticing the time, leaves for LAX.

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2302 Need better Flashlight to checkout Noise
Petrocelli: Now, before he went into the house, did he say anything like, "You go this way and I'll go that way"?
Kaelin: Yes. Yeah, that was part of it. He goes, "Well, I'll go that way and you go that way." Before checking for--that made me say, "Well, we need a better flashlight." Okay. So it was. "O.J., I heard this noise back there. It was like it moved my picture, and I think someone's back there." "We better investigate. You go"-- "I'll go that way. You go that way" (Indicating). {O.J. indicate I should go} Back by the garage area. {He would go towards Ashford.}
I was--it was a--I didn't expect him to say that, with the flight and that, I was going, "Oh," I was like, he's going to help me check, so-- And then I thought, okay, and then that made me go, "Well, we need a better flashlight," but I didn't--I was like...
Petrocelli: What did he then say?
Kaelin: "I'll go inside and check." So he ran into the house, and I followed behind him -- and he went into the kitchen area.
So he is in the kitchen area. I didn't go into the kitchen. I kind of waited by -- there is an entranceway by the kitchen. So I didn't go into the kitchen, but I saw him go into the kitchen, and he got in there and looked and went, "Whoa, it's that time."
There is a clock.
On the wall.
"Is that the right time?" or "My God, is it that late?" or--it was in reference to being late. He goes, "I've got to catch my flight." I said, "Oh, don't miss your flight." And then he walked back out, and I was there and walked out, and then he had mentioned about setting the alarm.
I never made it into the kitchen myself. I never walked into the kitchen.
Petrocelli: How long was he in the kitchen from the moment he went in the door that leads to the kitchen until he came back out?
Kaelin: 15 seconds. No, he wasn't out of my sight at all. I was at the doorway of-- It was kind of--I'm saying from the walk in, looking up, going like this (Indicating) and saying, "Oh, boy it's that time." [it was a continuous motion?] Yeah. There was no looking for the flashlight. I think I glanced up at it{the clock} and I thought it was 11:15, so I could see it if I looked up. I think I did look at the clock.
Petrocelli: Now, he then walked past you to go outside? So he was rushing? And so he walked right by you and went out the house, out the front door? And what did you do?
Kaelin: I followed. I was--he was leaving. I was getting out of the house. There was a dialogue of--at the doorway by the foyer to the doorway about, "Kato, set the alarm to the house." And I said, "I don't know the alarm. I don't want to set the alarm code." So he said he would do it. And then I walked up and I saw that knapsack there, so I started walking toward the knapsack because I thought that was supposed to be packed up, and I started walking to it and O.J. said "No. I'll get it." So I just turned back around.

BREWER: Do you recall any occasion on the 12th where you and Mr. Kaelin agreed that you would go around to the pathway and look down there to see what was the source of the noises that he described to you?
SIMPSON: Yeah, I recall us talking about that. Me making that suggestion, that is.
BREWER: Do you recall ever actually moving towards -- making any affirmative effort to move towards the pathway to look down to see whether you could determine the origin of the noises that he described?
SIMPSON: I tried at one point when I was coming back from the Bronco. I did look, but it was dark, and that's when we talked about getting a flashlight. ...I was coming back {from the Bronco} , and they were -- I guess they were talking about flashlights at the time.
BREWER: Okay. Just so my question is on the record, this is when you went out to the Bronco to get the telephone case? And then on your way back, you went over and made some effort to look up the pathway?
SIMPSON: No. As I was walking back, l could see it was dark there, and I said, "well, let's" -- "you go one way and I'll go around the other way.' It was at the time -- Yes. I said, "You go one way and I'll go the other way," and that's when he made a comment about flashlights, and that's what initiated all the flashlight stuff {Going inside and looking for the flashlight}.
BREWER: And after that, other than making a comment, did you ever then go to either side of the pathway to look down to see whether you could determine the origin of the noises that he referred to?
SIMPSON: We never found the flashlight, and I had to go. When I was coming back from the Bronco, he was standing --they were like in the front there. I can't tell you exactly where they were. Kato was still talking about going around the side, and as I was coming back, I was talking to him, and I said something about, "You go one way and I'll go the other way," and that's when I became aware that there was a real flashlight problem.
BREWER: Okay. And then after you went through the flashlight episode, trying to locate a flashlight, you came out and got into the limousine?
SIMPSON: Got directly into the limo.

What did Kato & Park think OJS was wearing

17 CLARK: SO AFTER MR. SIMPSON SAID, "OH, IT'S THAT LATE
18 ALREADY," HE RAN INTO THE LIMO?
19 KATO: YES.
20 CLARK: DO YOU RECALL WHAT HE WAS WEARING AT THAT TIME?
21 KATO: I THINK IT WAS SWEATS, DARK SWEATS.
22 CLARK: DO YOU THINK IT WAS THE SAME DARK SWEATS THAT
23 HE WAS WEARING BEFORE?
24 KATO: I DON'T KNOW.

6 CLARK: LET ME BE MORE SPECIFIC:
7 DID HE APPEAR TO BE INTOXICATED IN ANY WAY?
8 PARK: NO.
9 CLARK: DID HE APPEAR TO BE UPSET OR ANGRY?
10 PARK: NO.
11 CLARK: DID HE APPEAR TO BE NERVOUS?
12 PARK: NO.
13 CLARK: DID HE APPEAR TO BE -- STRIKE THAT.
14 WHAT WAS HE WEARING?
15 PARK: HE WAS WEARING A WHITE COLORED SHIRT, SHORT
16 SLEEVES, BLUE JEANS AND THAT WAS ABOUT IT.
17 I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF SHOES HE WAS
18 WEARING. I DIDN'T NOTICE ANY OF THAT.
The same "DARK SWEATS" Return 2300 11:00
2303 Kaelin & Knapsack
PARK {Grand Jury}: THE WHITE MALE OFFERED TO GET IT AND MR. SIMPSON SAID, "NO; NO. THAT'S OKAY. I CAN GET IT. THAT'S ALL RIGHT." {he got it} HE PUT IT IN THE TRUNK. {Before he went back into the house.}
Park testified that Simpson made another trip {?}to get his golf bag{?} from one of the vehicles. {TWO CARS - mentioned at the Grand Jury.} ??? Why is Park using PLURAL ???
Is the Bronco evolving into his memory as a Second Car

CLARK: DURING THAT TIME WAS WHEN HE WENT OVER AND GOT THE BAG BY THE ROLLS ROYCE? MR. SIMPSON, THAT IS.
PARK: YES. HE GOT THAT BAG AND HE ALSO MADE ANOTHER TRIP TO GET HIS GOLF BAG FROM ONE OF THE VEHICLES. I DIDN'T SEE WHICH ONE OF THE CARS HE GOT IT OUT OF. AND AT THAT POINT --

SIMPSON: No. My recollection is I walked out of the front door and Kato was behind me, and I told him to look for a flashlight. I had mentioned to him about putting on the alarm, and it appeared as if it was gonna--you know, Kato was being Kato, and I said, " Look for a flashlight," and I'd give him the alarm--I'd call for the alarm.
From the Police Statement
This means, Simpson noticed blood just before Allen Park sees him go to the Bronco. But Park doesn't relate to the Bronco -- having seen two cars that night, and the photo the next day; Allen Park has transposed the Bronco inside the gate.
This would make sense, if Allen park remembered a shadow image of the Bronco -- seen out of the corner of his eye at 10:40. In the prevailing light level, he would only be seeing shades of grey -- thus a "dark Car".
Knowing he has seen TWO CARS, but recalling only when he saw them, the media photos served to influence his memory. From that point on, everything was associated in a logical and consistant manner. Only the physical point of reference is mistaken.
Therefore, "BAKER'S DILEMMA" becomes demonstrating this to a jury -- and the public at large.
PETROCELLI'S DILEMMA persists - he's bringing a case against an innocent man.

Simpson: I recall bleeding at my house and then I went to the Bronco.
The last thing I did before I left, when I was rushing, was went and got my phone out of the Bronco.
Simpson's cash

KELLY: Okay. On the night of June 12th 1994, do you recall having cash up in your bedroom? Do you recall having cash, U.S. currency, up in your bedroom. On the evening or night of June 12th, 1994. And approximately how much was that?
SIMPSON: I left 5- or $6,000 there that I put under my sweater. I remember doing that, talking it out of--because it was all together at that point, so I recall leaving that amount there. 100s, 50s, mostly 100s. There may have been a 50 or two, but basically l00s.
KELLY: Okay. And part of your duties with Hertz, one of the things you would do is play golf with preferred customers there, would you not? And sometimes you would attend parties and functions for them with their preferred clients? Were there times you'd actually give talks at conferences and things for Hertz? And these various things I just referred to were all part of your job with Hertz, were they not?
SIMPSON: Yes.
KELLY: Okay. And was part of your job responsibility to always be gracious and hospitable when you would attend these various functions and events?
SIMPSON: I think that's why they hired me.
KELLY: Okay. And would it be fair to say that you would keep personal matters or moods to yourself when you were attending these events for Hertz?
SIMPSON: I think I did it most of the time, yes.

Simpson reacts to observations

KELLY: And in June 1994 you were an announcer for NBC?
SIMPSON: I was under contract with NBC. I wasn't doing any work for them in June, but I was under contract for them.
KELLY: Okay. Well, the last couple years that you had done work for them, what type of work were you doing?
SIMPSON: Football, color commentary work, and mostly in the pre-game show, and if--during the Olympics I did the Olympics.
KELLY: Okay. Did you do a lot of on-site interviews with competing athletes when you were doing your color commentary? And you didn't have any script or rehearsed questions ahead of time when you would interview these people, would you?
SIMPSON: No. You studied. You studied your subject, obviously, so that you could be prepared. So I like to think I was a guy who did--who studied a lot, yes.
KELLY: Okay. But when you would, say, conduct a post-game interview with a competing athlete in a football game it would be based on what you had just observed, would it not? Okay. And some of your questions would be based simply on the responses you got from the person you were interviewing, also. Is that correct? And during your college and pro football career, there were many times you were interviewed by others, were you not? And at USC would you at times give interviews right after you had come off the field when you were competing? And when you were with the Buffalo Bills, were there times you would be grabbed right on the field after a game and give interviews? And that was done without any rehearsal or forethought, your responding to these interviews, were they?
SIMPSON: Just like you and I right now.
KELLY: There was a time you did "Monday Night Football" also. And were there ever times you just didn't feel like going to work when you were working on TV?
SIMPSON: I always liked what I did. You know, there's times you didn't want to get on a plane and go someplace, but I like to think whenever I was involved in it, I enjoyed doing it and I liked doing it, yeah. the plane portion of it was the uncomfortable part. The actual doing it, I've always enjoyed doing.
KELLY: Okay. And you were always able to put your personal matters or moods aside when you're going on air, weren't you?
SIMPSON: Yeah.

Watch Kelly -- he's good. Simpson as Actor

KELLY: And in your acting career, I think there were some movies where you were one of the principals, say the NAKED GUN series, were you not?
SIMPSON: I don't know if I was a principal in NAKED GUN, but thank you.
KELLY: I don't want to disagree with your lawyer, but you had some sort of acting career. I didn't describe it. I just said you had it. Could you tell me--with, say, for example, the NAKED GUN series, you had actual written scripts you had to review and prepare with, did you not? And even in preparing with those scripts, you had to allow for your co-actors' lines and actions also, did you not?
SIMPSON: Yeah, it's like you'd work with a person, yes.
KELLY: Okay. And you would often learn these right on location when you were getting ready for these movies?
SIMPSON: No. I'd study my script and know my part and then work out the movements on the set.
KELLY: Okay. Since June 12th, 1994 have you ever--have you given any paid commentary or performances other than your infomercial?
SIMPSON: No. Commentary, you know, I talked to a photographer who gave some--sold some pictures to the Star, so if that's considered commentary. It was mostly his observations and my words. I don't recall if I ever really gave him any words with it, but I know I discussed my feelings to an extent, and since I never read the stories, I don't know if any of those feelings were communicated.
KELLY: Okay. Other than the Star Magazine-- Star Magazine we're referring to? Okay. Other than that and your infomercial, can you think of anything else?
SIMPSON: No.
Mr. Petrocelli: Did you ever get paid for conducting a magazine or newspaper interview since June 12th, 1994? Other than Star Magazine.
SIMPSON: I don't know if I did an interview. I don't know if that was an interview. That was more for pictures. Other than the video, no.

***? Lange's name pops up more often than Vannatter's ?***

PETROCELLI: The knapsack was located where? You are pointing to where the Bentley is parked? Behind the Bentley?
Kaelin: It was {On the ground} at the taillights of the Bentley.

PARK: UMM, SOMEWHERE IN THERE, ONE OF THOSE TIMES THERE WAS A -- THERE WAS ANOTHER BAG ON THE DRIVEWAY.
MS. CLARK: WHAT KIND OF BAG WAS THAT?
PARK: IT WAS ANOTHER -- SEEMED TO BE SMALL DUFFEL BAG.
MS. CLARK: CAN YOU SHOW US WITH YOUR HANDS HOW BIG THAT BAG WAS?
PARK: FROM WHAT I CAN REMEMBER -- I SAW IT AT A DISTANCE. FROM WHAT I CAN REMEMBER, IT WAS SMALLER THAN THE OTHER TWO. IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, A FOOT AND A HALF -- ABOUT A FOOT A HALF. A FOOT AND A HALF BY A HALF A FOOT. IT WASN'T VERY BIG, (INDICATING).
MS. CLARK: COULD YOU TELL WHAT COLOR IT WAS?
PARK: IT SEEMED TO BE DARK.
{Mar 28th Testimony: Marked as "B" on PEO'S 66-E FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH}
MS. CLARK: AND WHAT DREW YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT BAG?
PARK: WHAT -- WHEN -- I THINK IT WAS WHEN -- WHEN MR. SIMPSON GAVE KATO THE GOLF BAGS, I WAS KIND OF LOOKING IN THAT AREA. I SAW IT ON THE GROUND.
MS. CLARK: NOW, WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT BAG?
PARK: UMM, IT WAS SOMETIME WHEN -- WHEN KATO WAS ASKING ME FOR A FLASHLIGHT, WE WERE STANDING AROUND THE CAR AND MR. SIMPSON CAME BACK OUT.
MS. CLARK: OUT OF WHERE?
PARK: I COULDN'T REMEMBER. HE JUST CAME TOWARD THE CAR. WE WERE TOWARD THE BACK OF THE TRUNK.
MS. CLARK: HE CAME TOWARD THE CAR. COULD YOU TELL IF HE CAME FROM THE ROCKINGHAM GATE LOCATION OR FROM THE HOUSE?
PARK: I DON'T REMEMBER. HE CAME OUT AND KATO OFFERED TO GO GET THE BAG AND HE SAID, "NO, NO, THAT IS OKAY. I'LL GET IT, I'LL GET IT." A SO HE WENT AND GOT THE BAG, AND AS HE WAS GETTING THE BAG I WALKED AROUND THE SIDE OF THE CAR TOWARD THE DRIVER'S SIDE AND I DON'T IF HE PUT THAT INSIDE THE CAR OR IN THE TRUNK. I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.

MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. BACK TO PEOPLE'S 138.
MS. CLARK: OKAY. YOU INDICATED PREVIOUSLY THAT YOU SAW A SMALL DARK BAG SOME -- BEHIND THE BENTLEY OR THE ROLLS ROYCE OR BEHIND THE CARS, I'M SORRY.
DO YOU RECALL SAYING THAT?
PARK: YES.
(Mar 29th Testimony: PEO'S 138-C FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH)
BY MS. CLARK: BUT THAT KNAPSACK -- THAT SMALL BAG THAT YOU JUST INDICATED ON THIS PHOTOGRAPH, DID YOU LOAD THAT INTO THE CAR?
PARK: NO, I DIDN'T.

Return to 2303 11:03

Pretrocelli Establishes
There is ONLY ONE CAR in DRIVEWAY Definately Gratuitous Comment Time
The Alan Park testimony challenges the Kaelin testimony:
Is the knapsack behind the Bentley, or the Second Car?
If there were a SECOND CAR:
if behind the Bentley, the knapsack would than be BETWEEN the cars.
The Bentley is the first car, who owns the second?
It's in Arnelle's spot, therefore it's Arnelle's.

If it's NOT Arnelle's, who's?
Or, is it not there at all?
Logically, If Park saw two cars:
one inside the gate, one outside, he transposed the Bronco - or another car - inside.
The next day, he saw the photos of the Bentley and Saab inside,
and accepted that they were the two cars he saw.
In point of fact, he saw the BRONCO at 10:40; but, at the time, it didn't register as significant. It wasn't directly in his line of FOCUS -- in the same way that window screens are in our line of sight, but go unnoticed because they aren't in our line of focus.
But how could he have missed it at 11:05?

PETROCELLI: About how many feet from the entranceway to the front door is that?
Kaelin: 25 feet.
PETROCELLI: Now, when you came outside with Mr. Simpson after he left the kitchen, what made you go to the knapsack?
Kaelin: I just thought it was another item that had to be packed. {I first saw it} On my second trip. I just didn't {stop to pick it up at that time}. I was kinda wondering. I saw a knapsack there. That's a weird place. It wasn't there before, I was thinking, and I was going-- I remember it being dark, maybe black, and I thought it had a brown patch of leather.
PETROCELLI: Two-inch leather patch. Right? Two or three inches.
Kaelin: A square. I think a square. Well, when I started walking, I thought he was setting the alarm. I didn't know.
PETROCELLI: How close had you gotten to the knapsack before you heard Mr. Simpson say, "No, I'll get it"?
Kaelin: I was about 75 feet from it. {he was} Back here by the Y of the driveway where it says the "Y" (Indicating).
MR. PETROCELLI: Let the record reflect that the witness is pointing to the area where the entranceway intersects the driveway.

Kaelin: {he said} "No, I'll get it." I said I was gonna get it. I said, "Oh, I'll get this," and I was in that walking mode.
He says, "No, no, no. I'll get it."
Yeah. I was going, huh. I was closest, but okay. So I stopped -- I was surprised, but I was like going, huh, I was so close, maybe it's not supposed to go, or whatever. So I just turned around, I went "huh," and went back towards the limo driver, and my back was there, and I never saw it again.
[Exhibit 4, black grip. Exhibit 24, garment bag; Exhibit 25, a suit bag. Exhibit 26, a bag from Bentley. Exhibit 27, a grip.]
PETROCELLI: Exhibit 26 is not the knapsack you saw near the Bentley. Is that right?
Kaelin: No. It's a knapsack look to it. I think in my head it was like at college, you know, you put those things on your back, like that kind of a knapsack. I meant it was-- Backpack, knapsack, yeah.
PETROCELLI: But with one string at the end that closes?
Kaelin: Well, it had that shape to it, but I didn't see a string. Yeah, it looked like it was closed. It was on the edge. It was that kind of shape (Indicating). That kind of shape (Indicating), like a knapsack shape, where it was wider, and you would put your school books in. [soft cloth] I thought that--like I saw that the--where the patch would be. The patch would have been facing the top of the knapsack, and if you--right there on the knapsack. It would be--possibly the logo part would have been right there (Indicating), and that's it. That's the only patch I saw. That's the only different color to it I saw, from my memory.
PETROCELLI: Did you see what Mr. Simpson did when he--with that black knapsack?
Kaelin: Never. I never saw anything.
Petrocelli has problem with Park's two cars

PETROCELLI: The Bronco was not in the driveway during this time, was it?
Kaelin: No.

2305 Kaelin lets Limousine Out
Who owned the Vehicle to the LEFT?
When did it arrive?
And did they see the Bronco?

CLARK: {Grand Jury} WHEN YOU PULLED OUT OF THE ROCKINGHAM GATE, WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE ANY CAR PARKED ON THE STREET NEXT TO THAT GATE?
PARK: THERE WAS A VEHICLE TO MY LEFT. WHEN I WAS EXITING, I NOTICED I HAD TO LOOK AROUND A VEHICLE. I NEVER NOTICED WHAT KIND OF VEHICLE IT WAS. I DIDN'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO THAT. BUT THERE WAS A VEHICLE THERE.
CLARK: YOU SAY A VEHICLE TO YOUR LEFT. THAT WOULD BE THE AREA I'M INDICATING WITH MY PEN?
PARK: CORRECT.
CLARK: WHY DON'T YOU MARK THAT. YOU SAID YOU NOTICED A VEHICLE DOWN THERE.
PARK: YES.
CLARK: SO YOU ARE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF YOUR CAR; RIGHT?
PARK: YES.
CLARK: AND YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A LEFT OUT OF THE GATE?
PARK: THAT'S CORRECT.
CLARK: SO YOU ARE LOOKING TO YOUR LEFT FOR TRAFFIC, FOR ONCOMING TRAFFIC?
PARK: YEAH, BOTH WAYS.
CLARK: DID YOU ATTEMPT TO LOOK VERY CAREFULLY TO SEE WHETHER CARS WERE PARKED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY?
PARK: THERE WERE NO CARS.

PETROCELLI: Now, Mr. Simpson got in the car, and then what happened next?
Kaelin: I think I shut the door possibly, but he was in the limo, and then I opened the gate at Rockingham for the limo driver. So when I pressed the button for the limo to get through-- The button would be right --gate control box on the-- Pressed the button, and they drove off -- and I waited for the gate to close-- and then I started running--I wanted to get back in my room, because I kept thinking, I have got to call Rachel, da, da, da. And so I ran and I went--I saw that the green light was still on, and I went, oh, the alarm's not set; great, and then I went back to my room.
I usually always wait for the gate to close for when I would just use it any time. Just one of my idiosyncrasies, that I would just watch a gate closed. Just to make sure it closed.
{Mar 29 Testimony}
MR. COCHRAN: IN FACT, WHEN YOU LEFT THE ROCKINGHAM GATE, SIR, AND YOU WERE GOING TO PULL OUT TO HEAD TO THE AIRPORT TO GO BACK TOWARD SUNSET, AT THAT POINT YOU DON'T RECALL WHETHER OR NOT YOU SAW ANY PARKED CARS; ISN'T THAT CORRECT? ALAN PARK: THAT'S CORRECT.

PETROCELLI: Now, when you went back to your room, were you still concerned that--about the noises?
Kaelin: Yes. I was concerned about the noises, and I was concerned that the alarm wasn't set. And I started--I was just very weird on that night, and I explained it to her on the phone -- To Rachel on the phone.
As soon as I got back in the room, I called her.

KATO: I said. "Rachel, this is weird, all these things that are going on here right now." I said--I explained to her about the noises I heard. She asked me about checking it out. I go, "I didn't see anything." I had said about O.J. coming by--asking to help out behind the house, and I thought that was kind of weird. And then I said, "We never got the flashlight," and then I just went, "And now this alarm isn't set." So without the alarm being set, I was like--now I said, "Now the house is kinda like open."
And she was going, "Sleep over here. Come over here." I said. "No. Now I better not come over there."
So she was convincing me to come in to sleep the night, to come to her place, and then the phone clicked in. At some point the phone clicked in.
PETROCELLI: How long after you got back to your room did the phone click in?
KATO: In my mind, I'm thinking like 10 or 15 minutes into the conversation.
PETROCELLI: Might it have been longer?
KATO: It could have been.
Which places call at 11:40 minus 15 = 11:25
Obviously, Daniel Petrocelli has done the math.

MR. PETROCELLI: Now, why on this one occasion for the first time ever did you ask Kato Kaelin to activate the alarm?
Simpson: Because on this one occasion for the first time ever Kato was, as far as I know, present when I was leaving and concerned about something around the house. Since he was there, I told him to look for a flashlight, investigate whatever he was investigating and put my alarm on.

MR. PETROCELLI: And you were not concerned that there might be somebody there?
Simpson: Well, my alarm goes off many times. I'm a person who gets up in the middle of the night every night and walk around my house. I hear noises all the time. If he was concerned, he could look and put on my alarm when he left.
Simpson's manner - according to Kato

18 CLARK: FROM THE TIME YOU FIRST SAW HIM TALKING TO THE
19 LIMO DRIVER AND THE TIME HE LEFT AND ON THE PHONE WHEN HE
20 ASKED YOU TO ACTIVATE THE ALARM, CAN YOU DESCRIBE HIS
21 DEMEANOR?
22 KATO: RUSHED.
23 CLARK: DID HE SEEM SAD OR DEPRESSED?
24 KATO: NO.
25 CLARK: ANGRY OR UPSET?
26 KATO: NO.
27 CLARK: OR SCARED?
28 KATO: NO.
1 CLARK: ANYTHING UNUSUAL ABOUT HIS BEHAVIOR OTHER THAN
2 RUSHED?
3 KATO: RUSHED TO CATCH THE FLIGHT.
4 CLARK: WAS THERE ANYTHING IN HIS DEMEANOR THAT
5 APPEARED TO YOU THAT MADE HIM APPEAR DRUGGED OR HIGH?
6 KATO: NO.
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2339 Simpson calls Kaelin to set alarm
Simpson called Kato from Airport
KELLY: Okay. When you called from the airport, did you ever ask Kato to lock the front door that you recall?
MR. ROBERT BAKER: Well, first of all, I think he called from the car.
THE WITNESS: No. It was the airport.

PETROCELLI: When you were on the phone with Rachel Ferrara, at some point you said you heard the call waiting signal?
Kaelin: I told her, I said, "Ah, Rachel, hold on. The other line is ringing. Let me check it." So I checked it, and it was O.J., and he said that he had forgot to set the alarm and that I should set the alarm. And I said, "I don't know the alarm code." And so he gave it to me over the phone, and he told me the procedure, what happens when you set it. You wait a few seconds, and it will turn red. That means it's set. So I said, "Okay, I'll do it." And I didn't really hear any noise. I don't know if it was the airport or not. I didn't know where the phone call was coming from. In my mind I think I was registering that it wasn't the airport because I didn't hear any real noise, but I didn't know. I just got back on the line with Rachel and said, "You won't believe this. I'll call you back again," because I've done this all night to her. I said, "I'll call you back again. I'm going to go set the alarm now." So... Yeah, I put it {the alarm code} on like a little pad next to my bed I had. And so I took it out there with the code, and hung up with her and ran out to set the alarm code.
By the--the key pad at the front entrance. There is a keypad right there (Indicating). Yeah. It {the light} went from green to red, so I knew I had done it right. And so when I'm punching it in. I was outside going, please, hurry up. Go, go, go," and as soon as it did, I ran right back to the room. {I ran because} I didn't want to go back outside. I was scared.
PETROCELLI: Did you call from the car?
Simpson: I don't know, but I think I may have tried. I think something might have been wrong with the phone. I'm not really sure, but I might have tried.
PETROCELLI: No. I am asking whether you used your cell phone in the limousine to make that call.
Simpson: I don't believe so. I don't believe so, but I might have. I don't know.

Kaelin: How long did it last-- the conversation? I think, max, about a minute, two minutes.
I think it was, "Kato, you won't believe this, but I forgot to set the alarm, and you're gonna have to set it." I said, "I don't have the code. I don't know it." He goes, "I'm going to give you the code, and I'll tell you what you have to do. And what happens is it goes from green to red, and when you punch in the code, you have to wait a few seconds and then it will go to red. That means the house is set. That means the alarm is on." I said, "Okay, I'll do it."

2335
PETROCELLI: At any time before you got on that airplane, did you consolidate any of your luggage?
Simpson: Yes. When we got to the airport. {When Limo driver got skycap.} I put my balls in my golf bag, and I put balls--and I think I took the windbreaker and put it in my golf bag.
PETROCELLI: So where did you do this consolidation of the luggage? While the luggage was in the trunk?
Simpson: No. I had taken it out of the trunk, and while I was standing out of the trunk and some guys were asking me for an autograph standing there, and I was doing it while they were standing there talking to me.

0100 Kaelin hears Arnelle come home
PETROCELLI: Did you then call Rachel back after you came back from setting the alarm?
Kaelin: Yes. As soon as I did that, I called Rachel right back.
I said, "That was weird. I had to set the alarm." I said, "It's a weird night, Rachel. I don't know why. It's just a weird night." So I'd gone over the whole night of what happened, and that was pretty much it, and we just talked, and she was continually trying to convince me to come over. I didn't ask her to come over to my place. I don't think I did. And, you know, then I just mentioned everything from the typewriter, to the noise, just the weird events of the night, explaining to her. So I think I was freaking her out, scaring her, and that's why she kept telling me, "Come over."
After I talked to Rachel. I believe it was about 1:00 a.m., I hung up with her.
I was on for quite a long time with her. And I had the Calendar section of the Times because I wasn't tired. So I started to read that Calendar section, and it was about 1:30 when I heard high heels, the clicking of heels. It sounded like a woman's heels going --coming from it seemed like the house down the pathway, and I assumed in my head it was Arnelle.
{the clicking stopped} That's why I assumed. I probably heard her door open. I'm not positive, but I'm assuming that that all happened. But, yes, definitely heels. And when I heard the heels walking and all that, I just turned my light off, and I felt she's there, and I felt a little safer that there was someone else on the grounds.

It's possible that Lopez hears police at 5:00 AM wakes at 6:00-8:00. She might also have heard Arnelle returning home {?}with date - friends{?}.
LOPEZ might have heard police at 5:00 AM.
LOPEZ: ABOUT 12:00 MIDNIGHT.
COCHRAN: AND HOW LONG DID YOU HEAR THIS DOG BARKING, IF YOU RECALL?
Lopez: ABOUT A QUARTER TO 1:00, ABOUT 15 TO 1:00.
COCHRAN: AND THESE VOICES THAT YOU HAD HEARD THAT YOU SAID WERE NEAR ROCKINGHAM, HOW LONG DID THOSE VOICES CONTINUE?
Lopez: I DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION BECAUSE I WASN'T INTERESTED IN -- IN -- I'M NOT INTERESTED IN WATCHING THE TIME. I DIDN'T SEE THE CLOCK. MAYBE 12:30, 12:40. I DON'T -- I DON'T KNOW.
BY MR. COCHRAN: AND TO THE BEST OF YOUR RECOLLECTION, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU HEARD THESE VOICES ON THIS EARLY MORNING?
Lopez: AROUND 12:30 I THINK.
COCHRAN: NOW, AFTER YOU FELL ASLEEP SOMETIME AFTER 2:00 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT TIME YOU WOKE UP ON MONDAY, JUNE 13TH, 1994?
Lopez: I GOT UP ABOUT 8:00 IN THE MORNING BECAUSE THE GARDENERS CAME. THAT'S WHAT TIME THE GARDENERS COME.
THEY -- THEY COME 15 MINUTES EARLIER OR LATER, AND -- BUT THEY'RE THERE AT 8:00 O'CLOCK AND THEY MAKE A LOT OF NOISE WITH THE BLOWER.
WELL, I GOT UP, YOU SEE, BECAUSE THE GARDENERS WERE ALREADY THERE.

****************************************************** Access from Neighboring Yard
The Petrocelli Theory:
Simpson jumped neighbor's fence.

Petrocelli: Do you know whether you can get onto the property from the [Name Deleted]' property directly to the south?
Kaelin: I believe you can. I think {it can be done} just walking their front way.
Petrocelli: Is there any opening in the shrubs or in the fence to your knowledge that existed in June of l994 by which you could have then simply walked onto the Simpson property?
Kaelin: To my knowledge, I don't know of any.
Simpson started bringings things out while Kaelin behind house.

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Petrocelli: Now, during the time of that entire route, of course, the limo driver is still outside the Ashford gate. And you had not spoken to him yet. And did you take that walk rather briskly? And was it a matter of seconds for you to get, let's say, from this path to the garage? And from the beginning of the driveway -- where the path terminates to the garage is a matter of seconds. Correct?
Kaelin: Correct. Correct. I'm thinking 10 seconds.
2
Petrocelli: Okay. Now, on the way back from that trip of investigating the sounds --- is that when you recall seeing O.J. Simpson go into the house?
Kaelin: I don't know for a fact. I just -- I don't know. I just don't know if that's when I did see him or not. In my mind I saw the dark outfit, but I do not know when.
3
Petrocelli: That squiggly line is what you saw Mr. Simpson doing: Walking in the vicinity of the entryway to the door. right, to the house?
Kaelin: Yeah. I saw him there. I believe he was walking to the house. I don t know if he was walking in or out. I just saw --
4
Petrocelli: And what did he have on?
Kaelin: Black sweats.
5
Petrocelli: And what shoes did he have on?
Kaelin: I don't know.
6
Petrocelli: Where did you then next go after you turned and saw Mr. Simpson?
Kaelin: If this was at the time -- I don't recollect l00 percent, I don't know if the limo driver was in yet or not, but after my first trip I went to the gate box and let him in. Seeing O.J. there, I don't know if it was on that first trip or not. I just saw the dark sweat suit, him there at that time. The exact time, I just don't remember. It's so incredible that I just -- can't answer it where it was -- I was thinking of the noise. I was thinking of calling her back, and -- I know. Everything was in my mind at the time that I can't answer the question.
7
Petrocelli: When you went to let the limo driver in, what path did you take from the garage to the limo?
Kaelin: I think it was here (Indicating). I think I saw golf clubs. And then I went over here (Indicating). {And then let the limo in} I believe that was it.
8
Petrocelli: Now, when you took that path, the lights were already on. Right?
Kaelin: I think so. I think the door might have been opened.
9
Petrocelli: And then you let the limo driver in?
Kaelin: I think so, yes.

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Time Based Testimony Analysis

Simpson: It ended about 6:30, quarter to seven, something like that, you know, in the ballpark, right in that area. And they took off.
Simpson: Right about that time. We were all leaving. We were all leaving then. Her mother said something about me joining them for dinner, and I said no thanks.

Kaelin Defines Simpson's demeanor for Grand Jury:
KAELIN: HE SAID, "SHE WAS WONDERFUL, BEAUTIFUL," AND HE WAS PROUD OF HER.
CLARK: TELL ME HOW HE WAS BEHAVING. DID HE SEEM AGITATED? UPSET? NERVOUS?
KAELIN: NO; NONCHALANT.
CLARK: RELAXED?
KAELIN: YES.

Lange: And where did you park it when you brought it home?
Simpson: Ah, the first time probably by the mailbox. I'm trying to think, or did I bring it in the driveway? Normally, I will park it by the mailbox, sometimes...

Petrocelli: Let me show you a telephone call at 7:32 p.m. on June 12 from your Rockingham residence to Lomita. This is Exhibit 40. Tell me if that's the call that you made to Stockdale.

P: No. That's one call you made to Stockdale. Were there other calls?
Simpson: Yes.
P: Who did you call?
Simpson: Christian Reichardt. Sydney Simpson. Maybe Michelle. I may have returned a call to Michelle. I'm not sure.

Simpson: Eight-something, maybe. He hadn't done a Jacuzzi, we had...

Lange: Where did you park yesterday for the last time, do you remember?
Simpson:Right where it is.
Lange: About what time was that?
Simpson: Eight-something, seven...eight, nine o'clock, I don't know, right in that area.

Kaelin: I TOOK A JACUZZI.
Q: ABOUT WHAT TIME WAS THAT?
Kaelin: ABOUT 7:30, I'M GUESSING, 7:30, 7:45 I TOOK A JACUZZI.
Q: WHAT TIME DID YOU FINISH TAKING THE JACUZZI?
Kaelin: ABOUT 8:30.

Simpson: Yes. I was--during the time I got home that was the case, but I spoke to them before I went to McDonald's. That was right before I went to McDonald's.

MS. CLARK: IT IS A BENTLEY.
CLARK: COULD IT BE A BENTLEY, SIR?
Kaelin: OH, YES.
CLARK: IS THAT THE POSITION IN WHICH IT WAS USUALLY PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY?
Kaelin: YES.

CLARK: APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME WAS IT WHEN YOU GOT YOUR FOOD?
Kaelin: 9:25, 9:26.

At 9:33 PM
Where Is the BRONCO?
CALES didn't see it!
Kaelin didn't see it!

BY MS. CLARK: AFTER YOU COMPLETED THAT PHONE CALL TO TOM, APPROXIMATELY 9:44 THEN, WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
Kaelin: I WANTED TO TYPE UP SOME LIKE RESUMES AND THERE IS AN OFFICE AREA WITH A TYPEWRITER.

MS. CLARK: OKAY. SO CAN YOU TELL US APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME IT WAS WHEN YOU GAVE UP ON THE TYPEWRITER?
Kaelin: WELL, LIKE ABOUT TEN -- 10:00 OR SO.

CLARK: WHAT TIME WAS IT, APPROXIMATELY, WHEN YOU PLACED THAT CALL, SIR?
Kaelin: ABOUT LIKE 10:10.

CLARK: ON JUNE THE 12TH OF 1994, DID YOU RECEIVE A CALL FROM KATO KAELIN?
Ferrara: YES.
CLARK: AT APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME?
Ferrara: APPROXIMATELY 10:20.

PETROCELLI: Okay. And were there any other cars parked there?
Simpson: Yeah. My Bentley was right there (Indicating).
PETROCELLI: And can you spot the Bronco for us?
Simpson: North of the gate at some point, yeah.
PETROCELLI: The Bentley was facing Rockingham?
Simpson: Yes.

This is one hour
AFTER Simpson told Kaelin
THE LIMOUSINE IS DUE IN AN HOUR.

Clark: AT THAT POINT THAT YOU HEARD THE THUMPS ON THE WALL, SIR, APPROXIMATELY HOW LONG HAD YOU BEEN ON THE PHONE WITH RACHEL FERRARA?
Kaelin: ABOUT A HALF HOUR.
Clark: AND SO APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME WAS IT WHEN YOU HEARD THE THUMPS ON THE WALL?
Kaelin: AT ABOUT 10:40.

Fuhrman: {Kaelin} SAID ABOUT 10:45 P.M. THE PREVIOUS NIGHT, I BELIEVE HE SAID HE WAS TALKING ON THE PHONE. HE SAID HE HEARD A CRASH OR A THUMP ON HIS WALL. HE THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN EARTHQUAKE AND HIS PICTURE SHOOK.

Petrocelli quotes Simpson on buzzer to Simpson

Clark: LET ME BACK UP FOR A MINUTE. YOU INDICATED THAT YOU HEARD THE THUMPS ON THE WALL AT APPROXIMATELY 10:40 TO 10:45. BEFORE HEARING THE THUMPS YOU WERE TALKING ON THE PHONE TO RACHEL?
Kaelin: YES.

CLARK: HOW LONG AFTER THAT TIME WHEN HE SAID IT WAS 10:30 DID HE DESCRIBE HEARING AN EARTHQUAKE?
Ferrara: APPROXIMATELY TEN MINUTES.

Brewer: And, Mr. Simpson, as you've already testified in this deposition, you were the only person that knows your whereabouts between 10:00 o'clock and 10:45. Is that true?
SIMPSON: I believe so, yes.

CLARK: AND ABOUT WHAT TIME WAS IT THAT YOU HUNG UP?
Kaelin APPROXIMATELY 10:50.

"MS. CLARK: OKAY. FOR THE RECORD, THE WITNESS HAS INDICATED HE WALKED SOUTH ON THE DRIVEWAY OVER TO THE GARAGE AREA, MADE A LEFT AT THE CORNER OF THE GARAGE AND WALKED IN ON THAT SOUTH PATHWAY A SHORT DISTANCE.
THE COURT: YES.]

Petrocelli: There are some benches out there and there are some coach lights. If those coach lights are on they can be seen from the Ashford gate entrance. Correct?
Kaelin: Yes.

Petrocelli: When you first came out the path and saw the limousine driver. Starting from that moment in time and continuing walking down the driveway, going around, opening the gate, going down, coming back, coming around and going to the control box.
Kaelin: Minute to two minutes.

Petrocelli: You remembered seeing the golf clubs for the first time on the way back from the garage.
Kaelin: Yes.
Petrocelli: And were the outside coach lights on?
Kaelin: Yeah, the little lights that were out there, yes.

Petrocelli: When you came out this path and saw the limousine, did you see Mr. Simpson at that point?
Kaelin: I don't believe so.
Petrocelli: When you went to check behind the garage for the first time, did you see Mr. Simpson at that point in time?
Kaelin: No.

21 KATO: WHEN I CAME BACK OUT THE SECOND TIME, THERE WAS
22 LIKE A BAG THAT I DID NOTICE.
23 CLARK: WHERE WAS THAT BAG?
24 KATO: THAT'S THE ROLLS ROYCE.
25 IF THIS AREA IS GRASS AND THE CEMENT STARTS
26 HERE, IT WAS ON THE GRASS.

Petrocelli: By the way, following up on Mr. Baker's suggested question about 20 minutes ago, did you check to see if the knapsack was behind the Bentley or if anything was behind the Bentley?
Kaelin: I don't believe that I did. I was kinda focused on that.

PARK {Grand Jury}: THE WHITE MALE OFFERED TO GET IT AND MR. SIMPSON SAID, "NO; NO. THAT'S OKAY. I CAN GET IT. THAT'S ALL RIGHT." {he got it} HE PUT IT IN THE TRUNK. {Before he went back into the house.}

Simpson: I recall bleeding at my house and then I went to the Bronco.
The last thing I did before I left, when I was rushing, was went and got my phone out of the Bronco.

PETROCELLI: The Bronco was not in the driveway during this time, was it?
Kaelin: No.

Simpson called Kato from Airport
KELLY: Okay. When you called from the airport, did you ever ask Kato to lock the front door that you recall?
MR. ROBERT BAKER: Well, first of all, I think he called from the car.
THE WITNESS: No. It was the airport.

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Time Based Testimony Analysis

Simpson: It ended about 6:30, quarter to seven, something like that, you know, in the ballpark, right in that area. And they took off.Simpson: Right about that time. We were all leaving. We were all leaving then. Her mother said something about me joining them for dinner, and I said no thanks.

Kaelin Defines Simpson's demeanor for Grand Jury: KAELIN: HE SAID, "SHE WAS WONDERFUL, BEAUTIFUL," AND HE WAS PROUD OF HER. CLARK: TELL ME HOW HE WAS BEHAVING. DID HE SEEM AGITATED? UPSET? NERVOUS? KAELIN: NO; NONCHALANT. CLARK: RELAXED? KAELIN: YES.

Lange: And where did you park it when you brought it home? Simpson: Ah, the first time probably by the mailbox. I'm trying to think, or did I bring it in the driveway? Normally, I will park it by the mailbox, sometimes...

Petrocelli: Let me show you a telephone call at 7:32 p.m. on June 12 from your Rockingham residence to Lomita. This is Exhibit 40. Tell me if that's the call that you made to Stockdale.

P: No. That's one call you made to Stockdale. Were there other calls?Simpson: Yes.P: Who did you call?Simpson: Christian Reichardt. Sydney Simpson. Maybe Michelle. I may have returned a call to Michelle. I'm not sure.

Simpson: Eight-something, maybe. He hadn't done a Jacuzzi, we had...

Lange: Where did you park yesterday for the last time, do you remember? Simpson:Right where it is. Lange: About what time was that? Simpson: Eight-something, seven...eight, nine o'clock, I don't know, right in that area.

Kaelin: I TOOK A JACUZZI. Q: ABOUT WHAT TIME WAS THAT? Kaelin: ABOUT 7:30, I'M GUESSING, 7:30, 7:45 I TOOK A JACUZZI. Q: WHAT TIME DID YOU FINISH TAKING THE JACUZZI? Kaelin: ABOUT 8:30.

Simpson: Yes. I was--during the time I got home that was the case, but I spoke to them before I went to McDonald's. That was right before I went to McDonald's.

MS. CLARK: IT IS A BENTLEY. CLARK: COULD IT BE A BENTLEY, SIR? Kaelin: OH, YES. CLARK: IS THAT THE POSITION IN WHICH IT WAS USUALLY PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY? Kaelin: YES.

CLARK: APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME WAS IT WHEN YOU GOT YOUR FOOD? Kaelin: 9:25, 9:26.

At 9:33 PMWhere Is the BRONCO?CALES didn't see it!Kaelin didn't see it!

BY MS. CLARK: AFTER YOU COMPLETED THAT PHONE CALL TO TOM, APPROXIMATELY 9:44 THEN, WHAT HAPPENED NEXT? Kaelin: I WANTED TO TYPE UP SOME LIKE RESUMES AND THERE IS AN OFFICE AREA WITH A TYPEWRITER.

MS. CLARK: OKAY. SO CAN YOU TELL US APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME IT WAS WHEN YOU GAVE UP ON THE TYPEWRITER? Kaelin: WELL, LIKE ABOUT TEN -- 10:00 OR SO.

CLARK: WHAT TIME WAS IT, APPROXIMATELY, WHEN YOU PLACED THAT CALL, SIR? Kaelin: ABOUT LIKE 10:10.

CLARK: ON JUNE THE 12TH OF 1994, DID YOU RECEIVE A CALL FROM KATO KAELIN? Ferrara: YES. CLARK: AT APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME? Ferrara: APPROXIMATELY 10:20.

PETROCELLI: Okay. And were there any other cars parked there? Simpson: Yeah. My Bentley was right there (Indicating). PETROCELLI: And can you spot the Bronco for us? Simpson: North of the gate at some point, yeah. PETROCELLI: The Bentley was facing Rockingham? Simpson: Yes.

This is one hourAFTER Simpson told KaelinTHE LIMOUSINE IS DUE IN AN HOUR.

Clark: AT THAT POINT THAT YOU HEARD THE THUMPS ON THE WALL, SIR, APPROXIMATELY HOW LONG HAD YOU BEEN ON THE PHONE WITH RACHEL FERRARA? Kaelin: ABOUT A HALF HOUR. Clark: AND SO APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME WAS IT WHEN YOU HEARD THE THUMPS ON THE WALL? Kaelin: AT ABOUT 10:40.

Fuhrman: {Kaelin} SAID ABOUT 10:45 P.M. THE PREVIOUS NIGHT, I BELIEVE HE SAID HE WAS TALKING ON THE PHONE. HE SAID HE HEARD A CRASH OR A THUMP ON HIS WALL. HE THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN EARTHQUAKE AND HIS PICTURE SHOOK. Petrocelli quotes Simpson on buzzer to Simpson

Clark: LET ME BACK UP FOR A MINUTE. YOU INDICATED THAT YOU HEARD THE THUMPS ON THE WALL AT APPROXIMATELY 10:40 TO 10:45. BEFORE HEARING THE THUMPS YOU WERE TALKING ON THE PHONE TO RACHEL? Kaelin: YES.

CLARK: HOW LONG AFTER THAT TIME WHEN HE SAID IT WAS 10:30 DID HE DESCRIBE HEARING AN EARTHQUAKE? Ferrara: APPROXIMATELY TEN MINUTES.

Brewer: And, Mr. Simpson, as you've already testified in this deposition, you were the only person that knows your whereabouts between 10:00 o'clock and 10:45. Is that true? SIMPSON: I believe so, yes.

CLARK: AND ABOUT WHAT TIME WAS IT THAT YOU HUNG UP? Kaelin APPROXIMATELY 10:50.

"MS. CLARK: OKAY. FOR THE RECORD, THE WITNESS HAS INDICATED HE WALKED SOUTH ON THE DRIVEWAY OVER TO THE GARAGE AREA, MADE A LEFT AT THE CORNER OF THE GARAGE AND WALKED IN ON THAT SOUTH PATHWAY A SHORT DISTANCE. THE COURT: YES.]

Petrocelli: There are some benches out there and there are some coach lights. If those coach lights are on they can be seen from the Ashford gate entrance. Correct? Kaelin: Yes.

Petrocelli: When you first came out the path and saw the limousine driver. Starting from that moment in time and continuing walking down the driveway, going around, opening the gate, going down, coming back, coming around and going to the control box. Kaelin: Minute to two minutes.

Petrocelli: You remembered seeing the golf clubs for the first time on the way back from the garage. Kaelin: Yes. Petrocelli: And were the outside coach lights on? Kaelin: Yeah, the little lights that were out there, yes.

Petrocelli: When you came out this path and saw the limousine, did you see Mr. Simpson at that point? Kaelin: I don't believe so. Petrocelli: When you went to check behind the garage for the first time, did you see Mr. Simpson at that point in time? Kaelin: No.

21 KATO: WHEN I CAME BACK OUT THE SECOND TIME, THERE WAS 22 LIKE A BAG THAT I DID NOTICE. 23 CLARK: WHERE WAS THAT BAG? 24 KATO: THAT'S THE ROLLS ROYCE. 25 IF THIS AREA IS GRASS AND THE CEMENT STARTS 26 HERE, IT WAS ON THE GRASS.

Petrocelli: By the way, following up on Mr. Baker's suggested question about 20 minutes ago, did you check to see if the knapsack was behind the Bentley or if anything was behind the Bentley? Kaelin: I don't believe that I did. I was kinda focused on that.

PARK {Grand Jury}: THE WHITE MALE OFFERED TO GET IT AND MR. SIMPSON SAID, "NO; NO. THAT'S OKAY. I CAN GET IT. THAT'S ALL RIGHT." {he got it} HE PUT IT IN THE TRUNK. {Before he went back into the house.}

Simpson: I recall bleeding at my house and then I went to the Bronco. The last thing I did before I left, when I was rushing, was went and got my phone out of the Bronco.

PETROCELLI: The Bronco was not in the driveway during this time, was it? Kaelin: No.

Simpson called Kato from Airport KELLY: Okay. When you called from the airport, did you ever ask Kato to lock the front door that you recall? MR. ROBERT BAKER: Well, first of all, I think he called from the car. THE WITNESS: No. It was the airport.

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Simpson: It ended about 6:30, quarter to seven, something like that, you know, in the ballpark, right in that area. And they took off.
Simpson: Right about that time. We were all leaving. We were all leaving then. Her mother said something about me joining them for dinner, and I said no thanks.

Kaelin Defines Simpson's demeanor for Grand Jury:
KAELIN: HE SAID, "SHE WAS WONDERFUL, BEAUTIFUL," AND HE WAS PROUD OF HER.
CLARK: TELL ME HOW HE WAS BEHAVING. DID HE SEEM AGITATED? UPSET? NERVOUS?
KAELIN: NO; NONCHALANT.
CLARK: RELAXED?
KAELIN: YES.

Lange: And where did you park it when you brought it home?
Simpson: Ah, the first time probably by the mailbox. I'm trying to think, or did I bring it in the driveway? Normally, I will park it by the mailbox, sometimes...

P: No. That's one call you made to Stockdale. Were there other calls?
Simpson: Yes.
P: Who did you call?
Simpson: Christian Reichardt. Sydney Simpson. Maybe Michelle. I may have returned a call to Michelle. I'm not sure.

Lange: Where did you park yesterday for the last time, do you remember?
Simpson:Right where it is.
Lange: About what time was that?
Simpson: Eight-something, seven...eight, nine o'clock, I don't know, right in that area.

Kaelin: I TOOK A JACUZZI.
Q: ABOUT WHAT TIME WAS THAT?
Kaelin: ABOUT 7:30, I'M GUESSING, 7:30, 7:45 I TOOK A JACUZZI.
Q: WHAT TIME DID YOU FINISH TAKING THE JACUZZI?
Kaelin: ABOUT 8:30.

MS. CLARK: IT IS A BENTLEY.
CLARK: COULD IT BE A BENTLEY, SIR?
Kaelin: OH, YES.
CLARK: IS THAT THE POSITION IN WHICH IT WAS USUALLY PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY?
Kaelin: YES.

CLARK: APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME WAS IT WHEN YOU GOT YOUR FOOD?
Kaelin: 9:25, 9:26.

At 9:33 PM
Where Is the BRONCO?
CALES didn't see it!
Kaelin didn't see it!

BY MS. CLARK: AFTER YOU COMPLETED THAT PHONE CALL TO TOM, APPROXIMATELY 9:44 THEN, WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
Kaelin: I WANTED TO TYPE UP SOME LIKE RESUMES AND THERE IS AN OFFICE AREA WITH A TYPEWRITER.

MS. CLARK: OKAY. SO CAN YOU TELL US APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME IT WAS WHEN YOU GAVE UP ON THE TYPEWRITER?
Kaelin: WELL, LIKE ABOUT TEN -- 10:00 OR SO.

CLARK: WHAT TIME WAS IT, APPROXIMATELY, WHEN YOU PLACED THAT CALL, SIR?
Kaelin: ABOUT LIKE 10:10.

CLARK: ON JUNE THE 12TH OF 1994, DID YOU RECEIVE A CALL FROM KATO KAELIN?
Ferrara: YES.
CLARK: AT APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME?
Ferrara: APPROXIMATELY 10:20.

PETROCELLI: Okay. And were there any other cars parked there?
Simpson: Yeah. My Bentley was right there (Indicating).
PETROCELLI: And can you spot the Bronco for us?
Simpson: North of the gate at some point, yeah.
PETROCELLI: The Bentley was facing Rockingham?
Simpson: Yes.

This is one hour
AFTER Simpson told Kaelin
THE LIMOUSINE IS DUE IN AN HOUR.

Clark: AT THAT POINT THAT YOU HEARD THE THUMPS ON THE WALL, SIR, APPROXIMATELY HOW LONG HAD YOU BEEN ON THE PHONE WITH RACHEL FERRARA?
Kaelin: ABOUT A HALF HOUR.
Clark: AND SO APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME WAS IT WHEN YOU HEARD THE THUMPS ON THE WALL?
Kaelin: AT ABOUT 10:40.

Fuhrman: {Kaelin} SAID ABOUT 10:45 P.M. THE PREVIOUS NIGHT, I BELIEVE HE SAID HE WAS TALKING ON THE PHONE. HE SAID HE HEARD A CRASH OR A THUMP ON HIS WALL. HE THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN EARTHQUAKE AND HIS PICTURE SHOOK.

Petrocelli quotes Simpson on buzzer to Simpson

Clark: LET ME BACK UP FOR A MINUTE. YOU INDICATED THAT YOU HEARD THE THUMPS ON THE WALL AT APPROXIMATELY 10:40 TO 10:45. BEFORE HEARING THE THUMPS YOU WERE TALKING ON THE PHONE TO RACHEL?
Kaelin: YES.

CLARK: HOW LONG AFTER THAT TIME WHEN HE SAID IT WAS 10:30 DID HE DESCRIBE HEARING AN EARTHQUAKE?
Ferrara: APPROXIMATELY TEN MINUTES.

Brewer: And, Mr. Simpson, as you've already testified in this deposition, you were the only person that knows your whereabouts between 10:00 o'clock and 10:45. Is that true?
SIMPSON: I believe so, yes.

CLARK: AND ABOUT WHAT TIME WAS IT THAT YOU HUNG UP?
Kaelin APPROXIMATELY 10:50.

"MS. CLARK: OKAY. FOR THE RECORD, THE WITNESS HAS INDICATED HE WALKED SOUTH ON THE DRIVEWAY OVER TO THE GARAGE AREA, MADE A LEFT AT THE CORNER OF THE GARAGE AND WALKED IN ON THAT SOUTH PATHWAY A SHORT DISTANCE.
THE COURT: YES.]

Petrocelli: There are some benches out there and there are some coach lights. If those coach lights are on they can be seen from the Ashford gate entrance. Correct?
Kaelin: Yes.

Petrocelli: When you first came out the path and saw the limousine driver. Starting from that moment in time and continuing walking down the driveway, going around, opening the gate, going down, coming back, coming around and going to the control box.
Kaelin: Minute to two minutes.

Petrocelli: You remembered seeing the golf clubs for the first time on the way back from the garage.
Kaelin: Yes.
Petrocelli: And were the outside coach lights on?
Kaelin: Yeah, the little lights that were out there, yes.

Petrocelli: When you came out this path and saw the limousine, did you see Mr. Simpson at that point?
Kaelin: I don't believe so.
Petrocelli: When you went to check behind the garage for the first time, did you see Mr. Simpson at that point in time?
Kaelin: No.

21 KATO: WHEN I CAME BACK OUT THE SECOND TIME, THERE WAS
22 LIKE A BAG THAT I DID NOTICE.
23 CLARK: WHERE WAS THAT BAG?
24 KATO: THAT'S THE ROLLS ROYCE.
25 IF THIS AREA IS GRASS AND THE CEMENT STARTS
26 HERE, IT WAS ON THE GRASS.

Petrocelli: By the way, following up on Mr. Baker's suggested question about 20 minutes ago, did you check to see if the knapsack was behind the Bentley or if anything was behind the Bentley?
Kaelin: I don't believe that I did. I was kinda focused on that.

Simpson: I recall bleeding at my house and then I went to the Bronco.
The last thing I did before I left, when I was rushing, was went and got my phone out of the Bronco.

PETROCELLI: The Bronco was not in the driveway during this time, was it?
Kaelin: No.

Simpson called Kato from Airport
KELLY: Okay. When you called from the airport, did you ever ask Kato to lock the front door that you recall?
MR. ROBERT BAKER: Well, first of all, I think he called from the car.
THE WITNESS: No. It was the airport.