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Pepper spoke with Paul DeRienzo, an investigative reporter for radio
station WBAI in New York City
Dr. William Pepper: James Earl Ray should
get a trial precisely because he's never had a trial and because he was
coerced into pleading guilty back in 1969, and because a considerable amount
of new evidence has been uncovered that shows that he is actually innocent
of the crime. James of course has been trying to get this trial since three
days after the guilty plea on March 10, 1969.
Paul DeRienzo: Who advised Ray to plead
guilty?
Pepper:
Percy Foreman coerced him into pleading guilty. Percy came in two months
after they'd been negotiating a plea behind Ray's back and told him he
had to plead guilty because Ray was already deemed guilty in public opinion
and he'd be convicted by a Memphis jury. Foreman told Ray his family would
be harassed, his father, a probation violator, would be sent back to prison
and they'd fry Ray in the electric chair. Foreman added that his own health
was so bad he wouldn't be able to give Ray an adequate defense anyway.
Foreman told Ray to plead guilty and he'd then give his brother $500,
if Ray didn't cause any problems at the guilty plea hearing, and he could
take that $500 and hire a lawyer to set aside the plea. Foreman actually
put that in writing.
DeRienzo: Did Foreman have had connections
to a man known as Raoul, a person that James Earl Ray says was part of
the conspiracy?
Pepper: Raoul was the chap who controlled
Ray and I've uncovered a witness who knew Foreman very well and said that
Foreman told her at one point in 1978 that Ray was innocent but that he
had to be sacrificed. Foreman also told this woman, who had known Raoul
for many years, that he knew Raoul and that he would try to intervene with
him to protect her.
DeRienzo: Is there evidence Raoul exists?
Pepper: He exists and we have four people
who identified him and I know who he is, where he is, what his phone number
is, everything about him that one needs. All I need is a criminal trial
so I can have him subpoenaed.
DeRienzo: Who is Raoul? Is he a government
informant, Mafia informant, what was his role in this?
Pepper: He was associated with the Marcello
organized crime group out of New Orleans and he also had intelligence ties.
DeRienzo: Are you saying that Martin Luther
King was assassinated by some conspiracy involving the Mafia and United
States government?
Pepper: Yes.
DeRienzo: Could you briefly describe the
nature of such a conspiracy and why it would arise?
Pepper: It arose because they were committed
to not letting Martin Luther King bring half a million people to Washington
in 1968, and because his growing opposition to the Vietnam war was becoming
such a problem at home that he was no longer tolerable. The descent into
Washington of 500,000 or so people who were going to camp there was unacceptable
because they believed it was going to turn into a rebellion, they didn't
have the troops to put it down and General Westmorland wanted another 200,000
troops in Vietnam. So at all costs Martin Luther King was not going to
be allowed to lead that group to Washington and he was going to be stopped.
DeRienzo: Looking at your book Orders
to Kill, I see among the photographs a picture of a number of military
officer, the Special Forces officers at Fort Bragg. Why is their picture
included in your book?
Pepper: Because the 20th Special Forces
Group was a backup unit in Memphis if the civilian contractor failed. If
the contractor was unable to carry out the contract and kill Martin Luther
King then there was an eight man team, the Alpha 184 team, in Memphis that
would make sure the job was done. I know all the members of the team, their
names, rank, serial numbers, where they came from, the details of their
briefing at 4:30 AM on the 4th of April and where they were located in
Memphis at the time of the killing. They did not kill Dr. King, but they
were there as a back-up to do the job.
DeRienzo:
Dr. William Pepper, describe yourself, only because I want to assure the
readers that you're not a conspiracy nut, or a conspiracy theorist, but
a person with a lot of experience. Tell us about yourself?
Pepper: I practice International law primarily,
I'm a Barrister in England and an attorney in the United States. I was
a friend of Martin Luther King in 1967 and 68, the last year of his life,
after I got back from Vietnam where I was a journalist. He asked to meet
with me and I came to know him and work with him. He asked me to lead a
group called the National Conference on New Politics, an umbrella organization
designed to remove the Johnson administration from office.
DeRienzo: So, you're not a conspiracy nut
or theorist?
Pepper: I've not been involved in conspiracies.
I've been involved in this case because in 1977 Reverend Ralph Abernathy,
Martin's friend, asked me to interview James Early Ray who I thought was
the killer. When they killed Martin I went with Benjamin Spock to the memorial
march in Memphis and then I walked away from politics. Nine years later
Rev. Abernathy came back and said he wanted me to interrogate Ray. That
started this for me on October 17, 1978 and I've been involved in the case
ever since. It was 10 years after that when I eventually agreed to represent
Ray. I agreed to represent Ray only when I became totally convinced that
he was a patsy and was used by forces well beyond his comprehension to
carry out this murder. But I have not been involved in investigating the
other assassinations.
I handled Robert Kennedy's Senate campaign as a citizen chairman in
Westchester county, New York when he ran in 1964. I was quite a young person
when they killed Kennedy in 1968 and I looked at that as most people did
and assumed they had the right guy. But I have not investigated that case.
I don't dwell on these things, but I've been involved in this one and its
been difficult to let go.
DeRienzo: It's mind-boggling to me as a
reporter to have someone so coolly, so rationally, describe such a monstrous
crime. What happened in the initial investigation and how was it that a
conspiracy of such monstrous proportions could get past so many people
for so long?
Pepper: It didn't get past them, they were
part of it. The conspiracy to kill Martin Luther King went to the highest
levels of the American government. It's been covered-up all this time to
the present and I'm not optimistic that we're ever going to break through
because the forces behind the assassination are formidable. It's not a
question of "getting by" people, the assassination was the result
of covert efforts, and not so covert efforts, to make sure the truth doesn't
get to the American people. The media have been a part of the cover-up
and they have been controlled and influenced each step of the way.
My book "Orders to Kill" has never been reviewed or even considered
in the United States, yet "USA Today" prints an article this
past week that asserts the book was "dismissed." It's not been
dismissed, it's never been considered.
The
truth will be, at the end of the day, whether we can put our witnesses
on the stand, and they can put their evidence out there for the world to
see, and the state can do its best by cross-examining them to break down
their credibility, but I want that done in front of a jury. We want Ray
to have an opportunity to have that trial, to have that evidence out there
and let a jury decide. It's my belief that in a New York minute the jury
will decide that James Earl Ray is not guilty, just as a television jury
decided he was not guilty after they heard a fraction of this evidence
back in 1993 when we tried this case for television over a ten day period.
DeRienzo: Do you think they're going to
give James Earl Ray a trial before he passes?
Pepper: I don't know. I hope they will,
the King family coming forward has been a great assistance, I'm very grateful
to them and admire their courage, but the powers that have kept this truth
suppressed so long, denied them the truth so long, even denied the defense
the right to testify or examine the murder weapon for so long, these powers
have an arrogance that knows no bounds. All we can do is keep going up
against then as long as Ray is alive because when he dies it will not be
possible to establish the truth of his innocence in a court of law.
Even though Orders to Kill: The Truth Behind the
Murder of Martin Luther King
seems to be already (!) out of print,
you may be able to purchase it online from Amazon.com by clicking
here
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