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I have also corrected 2 mis-quotes that were in the transcript. The court reporters had included my next statement into my quote from another source.

COURT OF APPEAL

McMURDO P
McPHERSON JA
CHESTERMAN J

CA No 135 of 1999
CA No 136 of 1999

CATHERINE MARY CARNES
v.
MARTIN ESSENBERG- Applicant

JOHN PAUL LEWIS
v.
MARTIN ESSENBERG

BRISBANE
..DATE 23/08/99
..DAY 1

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APPLICANT conducted his own case

MR M COPLEY (instructed by Director of Public Prosecutions(Queensland)) for the respondent

THE PRESIDENT: Now, Mr Essenberg, you're asking for leave to appeal from the decision of His Honour Judge Boyce below. So, your job is to show this Court where His Honour Judge Boyce made a mistake such that would warrant the granting of leave to you.

Now, you've put in an outline of your argument which we have. We've also got the record book which you also have and there has been some material put in by Mr Copley on behalf of the respondent. Is that what you're relying on, Mr Copley?

MR COPLEY: Yes, Your Honour.

THE PRESIDENT: So, you have your opportunity now to present your argument. You can understand that we have read your outline and we're familiar with the record book.

APPLICANT: Your Honour, I seek leave to appeal the decision of Judge Boyce in the Kingaroy District Court on 22 March 1999. Your Honour, although I meet the criteria for legal aid I've been unable to attain-----

THE PRESIDENT: No, you don't need to read - just read through-----

APPLICANT: I couldn't possibly remember this if I didn't.

THE PRESIDENT: No, no, that's all right. I'm just saying there's no need for you to read every word. You can take it that we have read it. So, you're really better off speaking to us. Just telling us what your main points are and emphasising your main points rather than just reading every word because we've already read that.

APPLICANT: Well, that's - you've read the outline?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes.

APPLICANT: This isn't the outline.

THE PRESIDENT: This isn't the outline.

APPLICANT: I've sort of changed things a little bit

THE PRESIDENT: All right, then.

APPLICANT: Because I'm not really familiar with the system and because I'm not experienced at this type of thing. I'm really probably even better off reading it otherwise I will totally lose the track. I do apologise for the-----

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THE PRESIDENT: Well, can I just clarify one thing. As I understood it you're really only complaining about the conviction itself. You're saying that it's not an offence.

APPLICANT: I'm saying the law is invalid.

THE PRESIDENT: Yes. You're not complaining about the sentence that was imposed, it's the conviction itself that's your point?

APPLICANT: As I will say here when I read this I'm complaining about the sense of even one dollar because it is a conviction.

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I'll just let you go on then.

McPHERSON JA: Well, I'd like to ask you something.

APPLICANT: Yes, Your Honour.

McPHERSON JA: You were charged under a Statute. I take it, it was the Firearms Act but whatever it was it was a Statute that created an offence. You seem to be saying that the Statute that created the offence is invalid because it's in conflict either with Magna Carta or the Bill of Rights 1688.

Now, that's the point at which I'm afraid you're not going to succeed because the view is quite clearly established that those two pieces of legislation are susceptible to being overturned or departed from by legislation in Australia. There is no doubt about this. You cannot rely on those two pieces of legislation if there is later legislation in Australia that departs from them. For example, by creating an offence which is inconsistent with either of those two older English statutes. Now, how are you going to meet that?

APPLICANT: Well, Your Honour, I can just read my documents because-----

McPHERSON JA: Well, that's no good if it doesn't meet this point.

APPLICANT: Well, I hope to do so when I read my documents but I can't do it on an ad hoc basis because I'm not-----

McPHERSON JA: I've read your outline and it confronts the problem that there is legislative power in Australia in either or both of the Federal parliament and the State parliament to create offences which are inconsistent with the two earlier English statutes and no amount of reading from your document or reading outside it will make any difference to that result. That is the law; the law is the Federal parliament and the State parliament - either one of them or both together can pass legislation which is inconsistent with those two earlier English statutes and they've done so here.

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APPLICANT: Well, Your Honour, I believe I'm trying to in this to say that they can't.

McPHERSON JA: On what ground? Is it because we never acquired legislative power from the imperial authority? Is that the basis for it?

APPLICANT: I believe the Bill of Rights cannot be used to give the parliament that sovereignty, yes.

McPHERSON JA: The Bill of Rights cannot be used to give parliament sovereignty.

APPLICANT: To change the Bill of Rights.

McPHERSON JA: But, you realise of course that both the Bill of Rights and Magna Carter have actually been repealed in England. Do you know that?

APPLICANT: Well, if there's an error been made that cannot be used as a precedent-----

McPHERSON JA: I see.

APPLICANT: -----as I understand.

McPHERSON JA: How can we tell that it was an error?

APPLICANT: Well, that's what I'm trying to prove here, Your Honour.

McPHERSON JA: Yes. Well, I think, you're wasting your time but, I suppose, we only waste more time by talking to you about it but bear in mind what you've got to establish is that there is no power in any legislative body in Australia to repeal those two English Acts; Magna Carta and Bill of Rights. You will have to go as far as that. All right.

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, go on.

APPLICANT: Thank you. Let's see - I was - I propose - I rely on the principle that I have the right to present my case in person. I believe it is a duty of this honourable Court to guide me and not simply reject my submissions on the grounds that it has not been presented in the correct manner.

McPHERSON JA: I tried to do that but you aren't prepared to accept it. Go on.

APPLICANT: Your Honour, I am aggrieved by the decision because Judge Boyce has failed to adequately justify his reasons for stating that the relevant provisions of the Magna Carta have not since been displaced by local statutes made by the parliament of Queensland.

Surely, I am entitled to know what the law is so I can plan my actions accordingly. How am I to adequately appeal

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against his Judgment when no basis for a lawful Judgment was given.

Judge Boyce has stated that the Magna Carta is totally irrelevant as far as the offences provided by the Weapons Act of 1990. Judge Boyce said, "The appellant also relies on the Magna Carta. It is not necessary to consider the Magna Carta in any detail. Whatever may have been the provisions of the Magna Carta as is stated the relevant provisions have long since been displaced by local statutes made by the Parliament of Queensland. The Queen - anything - is the Magna Carta it is said to be on the offences provided by the Weapons Act 1990 is totally irrelevant."

Your Honour, I understand that the judicial notice shall be taken of all acts of parliament and all regulations. The Magna Carta 1297 and the Bill of Rights Act 1688 are both confirmed by the Imperial Acts Applications Act 1984 which I have a copy here.

Therefore the judiciary must take judicial notice of them. I don't believe Judge Boyce QC did this and there's an error and consequently there was a miscarriage of justice in my conviction. It would be inconceivable that the Magna Carta and the 38 subsequent confirmations of it were not intended to mean anything. Judge Boyce seems to have simply dismissed them out of hand.

He should have considered the spirit, meaning and intent of these constitutional documents when acting in judgment. Judge Boyce has decided the word "may" in legislation means that the Magistrate may do as he chooses to the detriment of the appellant.

Judge Boyce said, "Section 161 of the Weapons Act 1990 provides that a proceedings for an offence against the Act other than section 65 may be prosecuted in a summary way under the Justices Act. In summary, i the circumstances there is no right to trial by jury in the matter. Accordingly, the learned Magistrate was entitled to hear and determine these proceedings in a summary way. Section 19 of the Justices Act provides that where an offence under any Act is not declared to be an indictable offence, the matter may be hard as determined by the Magistrates Court in a summary manner."

Surely, the word "may" can be interpreted for the benefit of the appellant with more justification given the requirements of justice. surely, it is more just to grant a trail by jury when requested than to reject it. Judge Boyce has given inadequate reasons for his rejection of my arguments. Surely, I'm entitled to a reasoned rebuttal of what appears to be valid arguments. Surely, it shows disdain for the Judge - for justice when arguments put by the appellant are simply ignored. Your Honour-----

CHESTERMAN J: Mr Essenberg, do you accept that parliament can change laws that parliament has made?

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APPLICANT: The parliament can change statute law.

CHESTERMAN J: Yes. Well, isn't the Magna Carta a statute?

APPLICANT: It's doubly entrenched, Your Honour.

CHESTERMAN J: Well, whether it is or not isn't it a statute?

APPLICANT: I believe it is a - there's a word for it and I've forgotten. It's not directly a - it's not a statute, it's an enactment. A contract between the Monarch and the people which-----

CHESTERMAN J: Which is how statutes were made in those days. What about the Bill of Rights, is that a statute?

APPLICANT: No.

CHESTERMAN J: It's not.

APPLICANT: I believe not. Not according to my reading.

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CHESTERMAN J: So on what basis do you say that Parliament can change Acts a Parliament has made but it can't change either of those?

APPLICANT: Can you just repeat the question, sir?

CHESTERMAN J: Why can't Parliament, which you admit has power to alter parliamentary statutes, change those two things?

APPLICANT: Because I believe that they are doubly entrenched and I got a definition of that which you would have had in the outline - of entrenchment. And the committee that was looking into the changes of the Queensland constitution went into great detail as to how they would retain the entrenchments that were already existing in the previous documents of the Queensland constitution. So as I understand both the Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights 1688 were entrenched by the final paragraph of each document which says that anything that contradicts these things will be null and void.

CHESTERMAN J: So are you saying that Parliament could repeal both Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights but has to do so in a particular manner?

APPLICANT: According to the definition of entrenchment that is correct. The thing is neither of those had any options so there was - if it had been entrenched with the provision that it can be changed by referendum or it can be changed by Parliament or whatever, with a two-third majority say, then that would give an out. But in neither of those other two documents, the Bill of Rights or Magna Carta, there is no out to change either document.

Okay. The respondents - Your Honour, the respondent's arguments as why leave to appeal should not be granted are woeful. They expended 52 words on a case which seeks to overturn the new gun laws.

Firstly, the respondent says that I should not be given leave to appeal because I didn't complain about the sentence imposed before the District Court. Your Honour, I did so in that I'm opposing any sentence. If I had been fined $1 I would be opposed because in order to impose that sentence I have to be found guilty. I truly believe I am not guilty of any offence because I do not accept the legal validity of the new gun laws.

Secondly the respondent says the appeal has no chance of success. Surely this is up to the Court to decide after hearing my arguments. How can my chances of success be judged before my arguments are presented? No doubt Eddie Marbo was told the same before he unexpectedly achieved success in Court with the Marbo Decision. Likewise Nicholas Toonan was no doubt told the same until his successful Court action forced Tasmania to change its laws on homosexuals.

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Your Honour, there is a community perception that there is one law for the wealthy and powerful and another for the poor. On TV I see people like Senator Mal Colston not be charged for allegedly stealing tens of thousands of dollars. I see members of Parliament, Peter Costello and other republicans, publicly breaking their oaths of allegiance to the Queen of Australia and not be brought to account.

I see the wealthy and the privileged go to Court on assault, tax evasion, corruption or theft of millions and they get off or face minimal penalties. Yet I who oppose what I believe to be an unjust law by breaking it must plead to be heard. Your Honour, I'm a poor citizen attempting to achieve a redress of a wrong done to me and fellow gun owners by Parliament.

Why is it that I'm expected to obey the laws of thieves and traitors? Why is it that the laws that I rely upon for my freedoms have been made invalid along with the laws that should have found my superiors accountable for their misdeeds?

Your Honour, I cannot afford high-priced legal assistance to find loopholes to ensure that my case is heard. I must rely on the Court to see that, not only is justice done, it is seen to be done. I ask you to give me leave to present my arguments as to why I should be granted a trial by jury. That's all, Your Honours.

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, thank you. Well now listen to what Mr Copley has to say and, if you wish to respond in respect of anything he says, you'll have an opportunity after that. Yes, Mr Copley.

MR COPLEY: My outline only dealt with the sentence point but in relation to the question of - does the Court wish to hear from me about the validity or otherwise of the Weapons Act?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, Mr Copley, thank you.

MR COPLEY: All right, thank you. In a decision called Skyring v. The Australian and New Zealand Banking Group Limited, appeal number 176 of 1993, the Court of Appeal was faced with a submission from a person that he apparently didn't have to pay some fines or other because Magna Carta was still in force in the State of Queensland and it over-rode or was superior to local enactments and the Court of appeal said this:

"It is Magna Carta in the form confirmed in 1297 that is recognised by section 5 of Imperial Acts Application Acts 1984 as continuing in force in Queensland. That Act treats Magna Carta as an Imperial Act. Whether it is regarded in that light or simply as a royal charter it remains the case that an applicable enactment, whether Queensland, Commonwealth or imperial, is capable in law of repealing Magna Carta either

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completely or to the extent that it is inconsistent with that enactment."

As Griffith Chief Justice acknowledged in Gee v. Martin 1905 3 Commonwealth Law Reports, 649 at 653:

"The contention that a law of the Commonwealth is invalid because it is not in conformity with Magna Carta is not one for serious reputation."

My submission is that the Weapons Act of 1990 is a valid enactment of the Queensland Parliament. The Queensland-----

THE PRESIDENT: I think Mr Skyring went to the High Court, didn't he and had a similar ruling there?

McPHERSON JA: Well that seriously understates the position. I think he's been to the High Court four, five, six, seven times. I know when I came to count up the number of matters he'd had in the Supreme Court it reached 13 before I lost interest and asked the Registrar to proceed against him as a vexatious litigant.

MR COPLEY: Yes, Your Honour.

McPHERSON JA: I believe he blames me for his lack of success because I had the first case in which he appealed against a taxation assessment.

MR COPLEY: Yes.

McPHERSON JA: And invoked section - chapter 8 of Magna Carta and I-----

MR COPLEY: Yes. He's litigated the same issues before the Federal Court.

McPHERSON JA: Yes.

MR COPLEY: Similarly without success from Federal Judges.

McPHERSON JA: And in proceedings against him for defacing currency as well. But he apparently took the view that it was my decision in the first place that Magna Carta was impliedly over-ruled by the Income Tax Assessment Act 1936 that was responsible for his lack of success on other occasions.

MR COPLEY: I see.

McPHERSON JA: He's expressed that view to me in this Court and of course he might be right.

MR COPLEY: Yes.

McPHERSON JA: But so far he hasn't succeeded in providing it. The result is that Mr Skyring's point about Magna Carta

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seems now not to be a viable one whether due to deficiencies on my part or otherwise.

MR COPLEY: Yes. Well my submission is that the Weapons Act is a perfectly valid enactment of the State Parliament and it does impose a licensing regime on those who wish to possess weapons. It's a statute that's clearly within the legislative competence of a State Parliament to pass and the applicant has been lawfully convicted of these offences.

Indeed it might be of interest to note that really in neither of the appeals, 135 and 136 of 1996, did he seek to challenge the prosecution case upon the basis that he was not in possession of a category A weapon or that he had a licence to do so. But of course that is presumably - comes back to the position wherein he refuses to accept the validity of the statute. But in any event my submission is that it's clearly a valid enactment.

THE PRESIDENT: Indeed he went to the police with them and said, "I've got these things. Arrest me." Didn't he?

MR COPLEY: Well the Court might take the view that he dared or he challenged the police to take some action against him and they obliged him on the second occasion at least.

CHESTERMAN J: Wasn't it the first occasion in point of time, wasn't it? The 11 August conviction, I thought, was that occasion.

MR COPLEY: The?

CHESTERMAN J: I thought it was the charge dealt with on 11 August-----

MR COPLEY: Yes, he-----

CHESTERMAN J: -----that related to the visit to the police headquarters with the gun in the boot of the car.

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MR COPLEY: It did. The decision on the offence that occurred last in time was handed down prior to the decision in relation to the offences committed earlier in June and May of 1998. Now if the Court wishes, I can make some submissions regarding the penalty.

CHESTERMAN J: Yes, the only challenge is, as I understand it, on the basis that any penalty would have been excessive because the law is invalid.

MR COPLEY: Yes. Well that's been confirmed by a voice to my left.

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, I don't think we need to hear from you further on the penalty point. Thank you. Did you have anything to say by way of reply Mr Essenberg?

MR ESSENBERG: Your Honours, I'm aware of Skyring and the fact that he's been called a vexatious litigant. I have something in the other document to which the outline, which has been changed since I handed it in last time, so I will read that.

I believe that the State of Queensland, although competent to amend Statute law received from Britain or New South Wales is not competent to pass laws opposing the common laws confirmed by the enduring enactments of the Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights. I would characterise the attempt to usurp these two as similarly in character to the law system of the Nazis. To quote from the book, What is Law by Suri Rapnapala from the University of Queensland,

"The principle chemistry will remain valid even if it's re-classified within some other field of learning. On the contrary, a rule of law will be invalidated if it is found to lack the attributes which characterise law. The Nazi regime in Germany enacted many unjust Statutes such as those which deprived Jews of their German nationality. They had the appearances of law but post-war West German Courts invalidated some of these on the grounds that they offended fundamental justice.”

There are laws and there are laws but just because a law may be passed in conformance with a written constitution of the Commonwealth does not mean it is constitutional.

I ask you to decline to recognise as valid laws that conflict with long-standing fundamental - constitutional fundamental rights contained in the Magna Carta. I believe that precedents opposed to Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights can be covered by the term - and I can't pronounce this, "stare decisis" a doctrine giving to precedent the authority of established law.

However Chief Justice Brandias said in De Santo versus Pennsylvania, 273 US 34 1927 42,

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"Stare decisis is not a universal, inexorable command. It does not command that we err again when we have occasion to pass upon a different Statute. A decision is not binding on a subsequent Court simply because it was made in the past."

Courts are not bound as a matter of law by the doctrine of precedent. Some decisions are to be regarded as persuasive rather than strictly binding."

I believe it is necessary to distinguish the intent of the originators of the Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights in allowing freedoms from subsequent decisions that may seem to limit those freedoms. Such a distinction will allow a more restrictive scope of interpretation of those precedents and laws. If such an important issue is trial by jury it is not unlikely that they got it wrong.

I ask you consider the validity of the Weapons Act and whether it was enacted properly and with due process. Given the important constitutional principles, discrimination and civil rights I'm arguing, I ask that if you cannot give me a trial by jury that you send my case to a higher Court.

Your Honours, the Queen has sworn to God to uphold the Magna Carta. Judges are sworn to God and the Queen to uphold the common law. I ask you to fulfil your oaths to God and the Queen and give me my right to trial by jury.

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, thank you. We'll have a short adjournment.

THE COURT ADJOURNED AT 12.19 P.M.

THE COURT RESUMED AT 12.26 P.M.

THE PRESIDENT: Mr Justice Chesterman will give his reasons first.

TAKE IN JUDGMENT

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