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dot1brunt-employee Guest
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Posted: Mon Jan 13,
2003 21:10 pm Post subject:
anyone have any ideas? |
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Does anyone have any ideas as to
where else to could move our forum to? They don't seem to be too
understand or friendly to us here. Someone created a forum for us
awhile back but that sites seems to be gone now. So if anyone has
any idea's let us know. | |
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another dot1 ex engineer Guest
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Posted: Mon Jan 13,
2003 21:40 pm Post subject:
unemployment taxes |
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Before we get locked out here
again, I am wondering if any of the other dot1 ex-employees have had
any problems with getting unemployment? Over the last two weeks I've
spent many, many hours on the phone with those people, and they are
having trouble verifying my income from DotOne/LowestBids. I finally
had to fax them all of my paycheck stubs from the nearly 6 months I
worked there. The Nevada Unemployment people, who have been quite
nice, tell me not to worry and that they will 'find' my income/pay
information quickly, but I now worry whether "Bob" and his staff
paid unemployment for us (or me, at least). So, if any of you
(plural) are having problems like this, please let me know via this
forum. Thks. | |
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codedog Guest
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Posted: Tue Jan 14,
2003 1:21 am Post subject:
you mean me??? |
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Does anyone have any ideas as to where else to
could move our forum to? They don't seem to be too understand
or friendly to us here. . . |
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Before we get locked out here again, I am
wondering if any of the other dot1 ex-employees . . .
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dot1web ( what's the truth?)
drchaps, I apologize to you, and others if I brushed the
threshhold of Forum Rules in my posts. Please apprieciate the
situation for the ex-Dot1web people is far worse than is reflected
by the atitudes of their posts. I am impressed by their high level
of intellectual restraint, which I promise I will endeavor to match.
If I(?) created a 'duplicate thread', it was because I felt
complelled to *get the truth out*, for they (ex-Dot1ers's) know not
what they are dealing with. (I'm not sure I did, but professionally,
it less embarassing to admit that I am still trying to get a handle
on the functionality general site layout.) To my credit, I'll say my
post data is accurate, and it has been turned over to multiple
local & state authorities. Again my apologies.
The Business-at-hand - Moving
forward
I was contacted tonight by an ex-Dot1 employee kjun9397@aol.com who is trying to
connect to other ex-employees regarding Nevada Unemployment issues.
He says he is in the process of coordinating a half dozen claims
with an attorney, and is looking for others ex-employees. " . . . if
you know anyone else that may want to get in on this have them
e-mail me their first & last name & the amount that Bob owes
them. Thanks. "
I did notified him of this new(?) forum.
Moderator(s): Perhaps this is not the proper environment to
accomplish this, or outside of how our hospitable host, FreedomList
would like their resources used? I dunno. In any case, please don't
trash the forum for the Dot1web folks on my account.
Just
post a notice, or email me at nvlc_jerkz@codedog.org if I
am outta line here.
Also, there is a forum, specifically for
Dotcom bombs, I'll zap them and report, unless you would prefer I do
not. | |
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burned Guest
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Posted: Tue Jan 14,
2003 11:54 am Post subject:
d1w |
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This entire org.(d1w) is not
worth the breath to expel its bitter taste. Was there in the
beginning. | |
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codedog Guest
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Posted: Tue Jan 14,
2003 15:15 pm Post subject:
i can believe that . . . |
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I can believe that. The 'body count'
just shocked me into humanitarian mode I guess . . . | |
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drchaps administrator
Joined:
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Posted: Tue Jan 14,
2003 15:19 pm Post subject:
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codedog, I understand the
frustration, and am not necessarily upset at you and what you are
trying to accomplish for we had the same instances some time ago
with a company called Infree Onfree back in 2000. The things I am
really referring to are those of who slander the companies name
without proper citations in any way. Take for example the post above
me, its distasteful to just sit there and say the company isn't
worth something, when we do not know what the persons relationship
is with the company and what the intent is of the post. To me, just
reading what burned wrote says that he is just a poster who is
trying to flame the board without any real reason other then to jump
on the bandwagon so to speak.
Recently, we were spammed
significantly in the review section of the website by someone who
thought it would be funny to post some 100 consecutive posts on how
bad WebWideISP is. You will see that the ISP in question is inactive
currently while we try and clean up the mess. We are just trying to
do whats in the best interest of the forum and the site, trying to
keep things at a moderate level of sanity .
Keep posting
about your progress on dot1web, and your goings on with them, we
just are going to have to keep a lid on posters like the one above.
Also, it does not help to refer to the owner as a butthead, which
someone else did in another post. I know many of you have been
slighted, but that does not mean we have to resort to namecalling.
An apology to you codedog, for it wasn't really meant
towards you, just a try for a little more overall understanding of
the issues at hand. _________________ "Once the game is over,
the King and the pawn go back in the same box." ~Italian
Proverb | |
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ex dot one Guest
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Posted: Tue Jan 14,
2003 16:19 pm Post subject:
payroll taxes |
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For all you ex dot one persons
who are reading these posts, I just wanted to relay to you that I
was called this morning by an investigator from the Nevada
Employment/Unemployment Office regarding my claim for Unemployment
Benefits after being laid-off by dot one. I was told, as I gave my
legal statement to her, that dot one did not pay payroll taxes for
the last two quarters of 2002. That means all the unemployment
claims that are based on earnings from dot one during that period
will have to be covered by the state's general fund along with
federal funds. I was told that they are going after Mr. DeMaio and
dot one to recover the taxes that were not paid when
due. | |
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drchaps administrator
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Posted: Tue Jan 14,
2003 18:14 pm Post subject:
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Hey ex,
Not that I
particularly want to bring this up, but if it has not paid its
payroll taxes, could there be issue with their other taxes as well,
meaning you guys may owe money to the government on this years tax
returns?
Steve _________________ "Once the game is
over, the King and the pawn go back in the same box." ~Italian
Proverb | |
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pete
Joined: 29 Apr 2002 Posts:
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Posted: Tue Jan 14,
2003 18:30 pm Post subject:
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drchaps wrote: |
Hey ex,
Not that I particularly want
to bring this up, but if it has not paid its payroll taxes,
could there be issue with their other taxes as well, meaning
you guys may owe money to the government on this years tax
returns?
Steve | I'm not a CPA, but, as I understand it, it doesn't
usually work that way. If the company withheld the money, the
company is responsible. If money withheld for taxes was used to pay
other bills, and the company no longer has enough assets to cover
the taxes, any company officer(s) who had the power to write checks
could be held personally liable.
I hope you guys saved your
pay stubs, in case the company fudges on the W-2 forms to protect
their officers. | |
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codedog Guest
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Posted: Tue Jan 14,
2003 18:46 pm Post subject:
all warm & fuzzy now ; ) |
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Hey drchaps, I still luv ya! 8^ )
Thank you for your patience and informative overveiw.
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Re: " . . . called this morning
by an investigator from the Nevada Employment/Unemployment Office .
. . I was told that they are going after Mr. DeMaio and dot one to
recover the taxes that were not paid when due."
Amazing. In California, the employer has 20 days to respond
with the loot ($) and their
side of the "issues" if they have one. | |
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dot1burnt-employee Guest
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Posted: Tue Jan 14,
2003 19:28 pm Post subject:
i want to try and make a correction |
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drchaps wrote: |
Recently, we were spammed significantly in
the review section of the website by someone who thought it
would be funny to post some 100 consecutive posts on how bad
WebWideISP is. You will see that the ISP in question is
inactive currently while we try and clean up the mess.
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While the
way we used the freedomlist review forum might not have been entirely what it
was meant for, it wasn't spamming. It started by accident anyway
when people who where laid off or investors that lost money with
Dot1web saw that review forum and started responding, and it just
snowballed from there. At one point there where 200 sum messages but
they where all posted by lots of different people over a period of
time, a few weeks. I know I myself started A few threads and
responded to a few other threads but over all I only posted on that
board 10 or 20 sum times. So I disagree, and don't believe that any
one person posted 100 messages by them self on that forum.
Now the other post that I want to respond to is i've also
been in contact with Nevada unemployment and they had no record of
me working for Dot1web either, but they knew all about Dot1web and
even told me "we heard that you guys got stiffed on your last pay
check". So there is 0 dollars to collect from Dot1web, from
unemployment, and I'm glad to hear that they are going after them.
That just adds one more to the list, of people going after the big
"B". | |
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ex dot one Guest
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Posted: Tue Jan 14,
2003 20:04 pm Post subject:
re: i want to try and make a correction |
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dot1burnt-employee
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Now the other post that I want to
respond to is i've also been in contact with Nevada
unemployment and they had no record of me working for Dot1web
either, but they knew all about Dot1web and even told me "we
heard that you guys got stiffed on your last pay check". So
there is 0 dollars to collect from Dot1web, from
unemployment... |
Just because they didn't pay their payroll
taxes doesn't necessarily mean they didn't or don't have any money.
At the same time they weren't paying these taxes they were buying
about $500,000 worth of servers and networking gear, hiring probably
around 50-60 employees, and buying 'Bob' his yellow Lamborgini. So,
they had money at the time. They obviously just decided not to pay
those payroll taxes.
My understanding is that payroll and
payroll taxes are one of those areas where the 'corporate veil'
offers no protection to the officers, board members or, perhaps,
even the private investors in the company. All of those people may
be personally liable for the payrolls not met and the payroll taxes
not paid. And, violating these laws can result in criminal
penalties, i.e., jail time, along with the financial ones.
I
think it's important that all of us ex dot one folks keep letting
the state and federal agencies know what took place there, and keep
whatever pressure we can on 'Bob' and his cohorts so they cannot
just weasel their way out of this as they, apparently, have done in
the past. | |
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dave940
Joined: 02 Mar 2002 Posts:
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Posted: Tue Jan 14,
2003 20:18 pm Post subject:
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I have used this ISP for almost a
month now. I, and apparently most others who use WebwideISP, are
satisfied customers. But I'll have to admit I would have passed on
this one after reading these posts over the last few weeks, if I
were looking for a new ISP now.
This is my question: what do
you expect me, as a customer, to do? If I and others cancel the
service, who benefits? If Webwide goes under, doesn't this make it
less likely that any assets will be left to recover for investors,
former employees, and creditors?
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for dave 940 Guest
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Posted: Tue Jan 14,
2003 21:23 pm Post subject:
what to do? |
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Umm, Dave, do you have a
conscience? Have you not realized that over 100 decent people were
literally turned out in the cold (it gets cold up here in the Nevada
Sierras) right before Xmas with no paychecks, no warning and no
explanation? Many of these people were not paid very much to begin
with, and have young children who probably had no Xmas at all while
corporate officers of dot one were having parties?
You have
to ask what to do about WebwideISP? | |
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Corrine administrator
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Posted: Tue Jan 14,
2003 21:41 pm Post subject:
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Dave asked an honest, thoughtful
question that did not require sarcasm. It is your attitude toward a
legitimate question that provokes antagonism rather than support for
what you are going through.
There are people all over this country who have lost their jobs,
others have lost their entire retirement funds, many due to
mismanagement.
Perhaps there is another former dot1 employee
who can answer appropriately. _________________
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ex dot one Guest
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Posted: Tue Jan 14,
2003 22:06 pm Post subject:
dave's problem |
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Corrine wrote: |
Dave asked an honest, thoughtful question that
did not require sarcasm. It is your attitude toward a
legitimate question that provokes antagonism rather than
support for what you
are going through. There are people all over this country who
have lost their jobs, others have lost their entire retirement
funds, many due to mismanagement.
Perhaps there is
another former dot1 employee who can answer
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Corrine:
You posting was a joke,
right? I mean that east coast humor, no? I did not refer to my
situation at all. I'm working again. Most of the other ex employees
are not, and they can't even get unemployment because their payroll
taxes weren't paid by a CEO who drives a lamborgini and is seen
regularly at the high stakes gaming tables around Tahoe.
But, I am sure some other ex dot one employee trying to get
food stamps to feed their family will be much more sympathetic to
Dave's $6.95/month problem than I was or ever will be. | |
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dot1burnt-employee Guest
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Posted: Tue Jan 14,
2003 22:17 pm Post subject:
your question answered in my opinion |
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dave940 wrote: |
This is my question: what do you expect
me, as a customer, to do? If I and others cancel the service,
who benefits? If Webwide goes under, doesn't this make it less
likely that any assets will be left to recover for investors,
former employees, and creditors?
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I
hope that a lot of other ex-employees and investors answer this
question too because it's an important question. The way I see it is
the only way to keep B' from hurting more people is to force Dot1web
into bankruptcy. Dot1web staying in business only helps B' to keep
creditors off him and buys him more time to find new investors. I
don't know if I'll ever seen any of the money B' owes me so one of
the best returns on my money that I can get is to see Dot1web go out
of business so they can't hurt anymore people in the future.
As for you wanting to stay with Dot1web because they're
cheap and you don't get disconnected I don't know how long that will
last. You also only get one email account with your service, and I
know what you have been told in the future they are going to add
more. I know and we all should know by now thats a lie. Thats the
answer they gave to all their questions, well the future never came.
I also know that there are a lot more ISPs out there that offer a
lot better service for a cheap price, I would always check with
local ISPs first. | |
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dave940
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Posted: Wed Jan 15,
2003 0:42 am Post subject:
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As for having a conscience, I'd
like to think I do. I'm employed, but I have a close relative as
well as several neighbors who are laid off permanently from a plant
closing, many were middle aged or older, and will never make as much
money as the modest steelworker wages they had earned there (if they
are lucky enough to find a decent job at all). I guarantee you that
times are much tougher here than in Nevada.
I believe I
asked a question that was on a lot of minds out here. Is your cause
going to benefit by putting Dot1web out of business? I'm sure you
have to agree that you won't get to see Don's head on a pole
regardless of the outcome.
Cancellation of WebwideISP cannot
be done by email, only by phone. The 24 hour customer service line
has been steadily busy this evening. | |
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bruce bailey
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Posted: Wed Jan 15,
2003 0:58 am Post subject:
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I really think Dave's question
was good. Do you think he should keep putting money into the
company, raising it's assets (albeit very little) so that the
ex-employees may have more to try to recover or try to put them
further away by canceling? | |
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The Lone Eagle
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 1 Location:
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Posted: Wed Jan 15,
2003 2:19 am Post subject:
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Dave, there are two reasons why
you shouldn't subscribe to Webwide ISP or support Dot1web. The first
is moral and the second is logical.
Just as you would not
support a company that contributes to a cause you dislike, you
should not support a company that harms people. If you knew a
company was funnelling money to the Al Queda, you'd stop purchasing
from them, right? Now here's a company that fires its workers a week
before Christmas, without pay, and has refused to pay them ( http://snurl.com/l8a). To boot, partners and
company's that have been ripped off by the owner of this company for
thousands of dollars have been reporting to freedomlist for weeks -
and being removed for some reason. You should not support this
mistreatment and deceitful practice. It's not morally responsible of
you.
The other half of this reasoning is pure logic. This
company is poorly run and unstable. The CEO has numerous lawsuits
against him ( http://www.codedog.org/nv/court_actions.htm ),
misleads the public ( http://snurl.com/l8b ) and cannot manage his
money(http://snurl.com/l8c ). The CEO is under investigation by the
FBI ( http://snurl.com/l8d ) and suspected of improper
privacy acts ( http://www.badbusinessbureau.com/view.asp?id=2802
). Nobody has yet looked into Dot1web's licensing practices
With evidence that the man behind Webwide ISP is
immoral and a potential criminal, are you excited that this company
has your credit card number and your personal information?
As a consumer, you should be aware of a company's buisiness
practices. If they are improper, illegal or morally objectionable
you should weigh this against the immediate gain of saving a few
bucks. There are better ISP's out there that do not practice their
businesses as questionably as Webwide ISP.
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Edit Note: Long URLs shortened at http://www.snipurl.com/index.php for thread
readability.
Corrine _________________ “I have had
lots of stress and very little sleep, but the company will survive
and move forward. I am going to clear my name in this town no matter
how long it takes.” | |
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