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Why No Pre-trib Rapture!

With permission of VINSIGHT4U in www.christianforums.com

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LET'S SEE!

1. Only one resurrection of the just

2. All changed at the same time see 1 Cor. 15:51-54

3. Jesus said when ye see these - included the abomination of
desolation and the sun going dark- see Matthew 24

4. Jesus is coming with His rewards - rewards are announced as time
for them in the 7th trumpet see Rev. 11:18

5. Job is sleeping till the heavens be no more - the 6th seal - see
Job 14:12 at that time men cast away their idols and go into the rocks
Isaiah 2:20 KJV "In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver
, and his idols of gold, which they made...to the moles and to the
bats." 2:21 "To go into the clefts of the rocks..."

Rev. 6:15 "...hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of
mountains;"

6. If the goodman had known the hour he would have watched. - see
Matthew 24:43

7. Wicked knew not till the flood came - but Noah was prepared and
entered into the ark - see Matthew 24:39

8. Marriage is after God avenges the great whore city of the
tribulation - see Rev. 19:2 and 7

9. Jesus is bringing the sleeping with Him. The Bible never speaks
of a time where He would bring both sleeping and already changed
people. - see 1 Thess. 4:14

10.The Spirit of life from God enters into people showing they have
put on eternal life - they have been changed to immortality. It is
only shown in one place in Rev. - the time in Rev. 11 when the two
witnesses rise from the dead and stand on their feet. The wicked see
it and are afraid.

11. Paul - 2 Thess. 2 said to let no man deceive us - first the
falling away (defection from truth) and the -man of sin is revealed
who sits in the temple of God showing himself that he is God, then our
gathering together.

12. Michael is the restrainer - he withholds things in the Scriptures
as to princes. see Daniel 10 - last verse

13. The parable shows we are to occupy till He comes back. - see
Luke 19:13

14. Once Jesus shuts the door - the others are left for the vials -
Armageddon.

15. Paul was shown a mystery - see 1 Cor. 15:51 that mystery is
finished at the 7th trumpet - see Rev. 10:7

16. The churches in Revelation are told to overcome.

17.There will be no descending of Jesus before the devil and his
wicked angels are cast out of heaven and to the earth. - see Rev. 12
Before the rapture Jesus descends from heaven - see 1 Thess. 4:16

18.Hebrews 9:28 KJV

"So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto
them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin
unto salvation." Rev. 19:1 "Salvation" 19:7 marriage
is come

20. Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the
great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." glorious appearing - it
is not a secret coming The wicked cast their idols away and go into
the rocks for fear of the LORD and the glory of His majesty-happens in
the 6th seal of Revelation. see - Isaiah 2:10 and Rev. 11:13

21. 2 Timothy 4:8 crown laid up Reward time is at the 7th trumpet
-see Rev. 11:18

22. 1 Thess. 5:4 brethren not in darkness The church will not be
taken as a thief.

23. 1 Thess. 5:9 God has not appointed us unto wrath - wrath is the
time of seven vials - God's wrath but to obtain salvation Rev. 19:1

24. 1 Thess. 1:10 delivered us from the wrath to come see Rev. 15:1
The believers will be standing on the sea of glass and it is after
that the seven vials get poured out on the earth.

25. Philippians 2:16 rejoice in the day of Christ - not run in vain
Paul plans to rejoice in the day of Christ - the day of our gathering
together and he wrote that it cannot come till the things he said in 2
Thess. 2 - the falling away and the man of sin sits in the temple of
God

Philippians 1:6,8 day of Christ We are to be without offence till the
day of Christ.

1 Cor. 1:14 day of the Lord Jesus "...that we are your
rejoicing, even as ye also [are] ours in the day of the Lord
Jesus."

26. 1 Cor. 15:54 Death is swallowed up in victory Once the last
trump sounds and we are all changed - no believers can die - death has
been swallowed up in victory Only the resurrection of those to
damnation will be left and they will not have victory as they will be
cast into the lake of fire.

27. 1 C "So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the
coming of the Lord Jesus Christ:" day of our Lord Jesus Christ
v.8 at His coming Rev. 22:12 My reward is with Me 7th trumpet -Rev.
11:18 time to reward The gifts of the Holy Spirit are till the day of
our Lord Jesus Christ at His coming and we know that when that day
comes it will be reward time-so place His coming at the time of the
sounding of the 7th trumpet angel. Cor. 1:7-8

28. Romans 1:18 Wrath of God against the unrighteous

29. John 14:3 Jesus will come again and take us to the place He has
prepared for us. He will not come back though till the 6th seal when
the heavens depart as a scroll.

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" ... THAT HE MAY RUN THAT READETH IT." (Habakkuk 2:2)

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"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war
with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and
have the testimony of Jesus Christ." "(Rev. 12:17)

Last edited by vinsight4u : 6th January 2004 at 06:01 PM. When's
reward time?

At the 7th trumpet - the 24 elders (elect angels) will announce it.

"And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time
of the dead, that they should be judged /distinguished/, and that thou
shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the
saints, and them that fear thy name, small and gr

Now look at Luke 14:14 "And thou shalt be blessed; for they
cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed (rewarded) at
the resurrection of the just." (first resurrection)

The first rising of the dead occurs at the same time as rewards are
given! It will include the tribulation martyrs. The two witnesses and
those who speak in the 5th seal must all die by the hand of the beast
before Jesus will catch the church away to meet Him.

"...and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the
witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not
worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his]
mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived

THE REST OF THE DEAD. "But the rest of the dead lived not again
until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first
resurrection." (Rev. 20:4-5) "So man lieth down, and riseth
not: till the heavens [be] no more, they shall not awake, nor be
raised out of their sleep." (Job 14:12)

John was in the spirit when he was called up to Heaven to see the
future. His body was not taken there, but was left behind.

"And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was
set in heaven, and [one] sat on the throne." (Rev. 4:2)

Some try to say that this verse shows the point at where the Church is
raptured, but it doesn't! John, as stated earlier was only in the
spirit. When Jesus comes the dead bodies (believers that is!) will
come back to life and go to Heaven.

CHURCH OF PHILADELPHIA. Also some say the Church of Philadelphia
shows that atleast for part of the Church there will be a
pre-tribulation rapture. Not true though! "Because thou hast
kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of
temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that
dwell upon the earth." (Revelation 3:10)

The word from in that verse is the Greek word ek. It means kept from
something one is in. That is: some, those who fit those
qualifications, will be protected during the time of the tribulation,
not taken off the planet, but protected while they are sti

The Complete Word Study Dictionary (New Testament) by Spiros Zodhiates
Th.D. "If something is in something else, then the separation
from is expressed with ek"

Kept from ek: the hour of temptation, thus kept through it while in
it.

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