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That Civic Si has a pretty good 0-60 time doesn't it. That Integra GSR sure must be powerful at 170 HP. Well, it's time for a
REALITY CHECK.This page is dedicated to any person who is possibly looking into purchasing a car with a VTEC engine. This page is also for the non 'gear heads', non reckless drivers and non racers
(you guys should check out the Honda Civic vs Ford Mustang FAQ). We will focus on the American Honda Civic Si (Who gives a shit about Canada?) as an example. I will try to explain to you in simple terms what VTEC does and how it is utilized in the real world.In a nutshell, VTEC is something that basically 'kicks in' only at high RPM's (ie: above 5500). This RPM range is commonly used for performance driving. VTEC allows the car to accelerate faster at an RPM over 5600 . VTEC is responsible for the HP increase in VTEC engines; NOT engine size (this is very cool!).
For example, a 1999 Honda Civic LX is rated at 106 HP. A 1999 Civic Si is rated at 160 HP. There is a 54 HP difference between the two cars even though they have the same sized basic 1.6L engine. The 54 horse power increase is only available in RPM's above 5500. Are you starting to see the beauty here? Read it again:
The Civic Si gets a fuel rating of about 26 in the city and 31 on the highway. The 3.8L Mustang V6 gets a fuel rating of about 20 mpg in city driving and 27 on the highway (these figures are for the automatic, because if you fork out the big bucks for the Mustang, you probably aren't bright enough to drive the manual). Also keep in mind that the Civic needs premium fuel. If you think you are going to get the performance of the Civic DX, you are in for a pleasant surprise.
99/00 Si Owners
Mark Gonzales
Hearsay Total average
25.025mpg (SiPilots rating was calculated at 26. Lowest mileage of 18 mpg taken out)The reason why the Si is not holding close to the EPA ratings is because the drivers listed like to have fun with their cars. If they would have wanted good fuel economy they would have bought the Civic HX. It gets 35
MPG in the city and 43 MPG on the highway."I never thought I'd ever see the day that my ass would weigh as much as a 3.8L monster!" - GreasyCrush
REALITY CHECK:
You do not get the extra 54 HP through the whole power band, only past 5600 RPM, SO REV IT UP AND HAVE FUN!!!
mattgent@aol.com said during his recent supervised visit away from his group home:
"If you ran a vtec and non-vtec civic, both shifted at 4600, the vtec one would prolly lose because the government uses alien technology to fly around Area 51 in a non-VTEC black helicopter, and they are really fast and will kill me if I'm not back in the group home by 5. Where is my nurse?"
So basically, in everyday stop and go driving, there is no difference between the two cars. You could drive a Civic Si and a Civic LX and most dumb ass drivers won't be able to tell the difference until they see your Si emblem shrinking rapidly in the distance in front of them!
AUDIO REALITY CHECK
Having Trouble?
If it doesn't work at all, turn on your sound.
It is technically a 160 HP engine because that is how much power it technically puts out, but IT ONLY PUTS OUT THAT POWER AT THE RPM BAND THAT IS MOST FUN! (I wish girls would out out for me a tenth what this beautiful little engine puts out!) This provides a perfect blend of civilized around town comfort and economy and kick ass acceleration when you need it. As Dan Jedlicka from the MSN Carpoint puts it: "
Fast but DocileDan is a thousand times more qualified than "The Super Car Genius" or me, so believe what he says. The Si is more than adequate for normal cruising around town. Check out his entire article
here.It is easy to look at the 0-60 times and larger hp numbers and assume that the car performs well all the time. And according to a real expert, it does! It eats less gas than a Mustang), revs higher, and basically outperforms Mustang in everyday situations. The Mustang platform is actually based on the "Fox Platform" for the 1978 Ford Fairmont. So if you want to drive technology based on a 1978 rental car, the Mustang is for you. But as Automobile Magazine puts it: "
the Si has returned, and it turns the Civic coupe into one seriously fun machine." You will love the Civic Si.
Another note, the engine is very powerful above 5600 RPM. That sounds like a lot to the average dumb ass Canuck. But read what was in Road & Track (once again, a much more reliable source than Greasy Crush ©). "
Patrick Hong, Road Test EditorIt brings a smile to my greasy face! Car and Driver called the 1.6 VTEC engine "
a real smile generator."
The reason why the VTEC engine performs as comfortably as the best selling Civic EX below 5500 RPM is because they share the same engine size. It's that simple. It's all about Horsepower! It tops out in pure fun horsepower (and torque at a surreal 7000 RPM! That may sound fast, but Car and Driver calls the Si the Acura NSX's "kid brother." You can read the whole article, written by journalists that have more automotive knowledge in their little fingers than Greasy Crush has in his entire greasy body. That article is
here.The 3.8L Ford Mustang V6 burns more fuel. Not too mention how much more oil the Mustang burns (when it doesn't end up on the driveway next to the Mustang owner's trailer).
HOW IT'S LIKE ("how it's like?")
Say you're sitting at a
red light and it turns green. You need to launch up to 30 mph. Since the Mustang has 220lbs of torque at 2750 RPM it will be at 30 mph when it starts to lose to the Si. The Si hits that sweet powerband, lets out that gorgeous roar that sounds like a cross between an Indycar and a performance motorcycle and leaves the Mustang in its wake. But don't worry about the high revs! As Carpoint explains: "Honda knows the Si will be driven hard. So, to avoid unusual warranty costs, it's given the engine a new die-cast aluminum stiffener, high-strength connecting rods and a rigid, fully counterweighted crankshaft."So don't worry about high revs, it is made for it!
If you are in the same daily situation with the Civic Si, you need push the gas pedal only half way down to go into the sweet +5000 RPM range to pull you ahead. You have the ease and comfort of a larger engine, with better mileage and more nimble handling! Here's is how one person described living with his Civic Si:
I purchased a 2000 Civic Si a month ago and I have to say, I agree completely with the truly knowledgeable automotive journalists about the VTEC engine. VTEC revs to its race car red line really quickly. I've just started to realize how much I love taking my engine up to the 8K redline just to hear that sweet race car sound! I have consciously resist temptation at every stoplight! The engine provides so much horsepower that it makes me grin (Car & Driver's words too) just to think about it. I have only owned the car for 1 month, and I have already wowed everyone that gets in. Even my laid back step father couldn't resist playing with that sweet VTEC engine. My friends are all saving up to by their own now! That is good, because I don't get enough time behind the wheel of my Si! Plus, the car will probably run forever because it is a Honda! And it is fun taking the car out in every day traffic and revving the engine and watching everyone else disappear in my rearview mirrors!
The first thing you notice when you start the car is that it is extremely quiet at idle, but just wait till you start driving the car. The engine sounds like a race car! My girlfriend said "It sounds loud, but it is a good kind of loud!" The only problem is when the windows are down and the standard C player are cranked up, you can't hear that sweet sound all the time! The gorgeous sounding engine gets to be very inspiring in just everyday traffic (not to mention on the expressway!). Okay, I do wish it came with a six speed transmission. As Car & Driver put it
"More shifting would be more fun."Listen to me, the Civic Si is a great car. Its great looking, fun to drive (especially when you feel like making the engine sing), solidly built, and (probably) reliable as hell. And as Car & Driver put it:
Although many of us consider the powerful, stylish, practical BMW M3 to be the world's perfect car, I nominate the Honda Civic Si for consideration. It's plenty quick when you wind it out to the thrilling eight-grand redline, yet it has adequate low-end grunt. For about $17,000, you get every feature you really need except ABS. It seats four comfortably. Its small size and light weight give Miata-like agility. It has a commanding view of the road and supportive seats. And here's the kicker-it's a Honda, so you can drive the snot out of it without worrying about breaking something. I'd only need a more useful hatchback body style, and my vote would be locked up.YES, he said it, adequate low end grunt!
Thanks for making it clear to everyone what VTEC is all about. Owning a perfect small car. I am just now realizing the luck I made in buying this car...and your web page has helped me come to grips with this reality. And remember..."There's no replacement for horsepower or power to weight ratios!" I'm now a staunch believer in this philosophy!!
Sincerely,
Champ
COMPARING THE CIVIC Si ENGINE TO A NON-VTEC 164HP ENGINE
Real Automotive Journalist articles requested, so here they are:
From Car and Driver:
Road Test - Civic Si: Honda Puts the Si back in Sizzle!COMPARISON TEST: Honda Civic Si vs. Volkswagen New Beetle GLS 1.8T
From MSN Carpoint:
1999 Honda Civic: Bottom Line: Honda's most popular car is lively, durable and affordable.Test Drive: "drivers feel as if they were behind the wheel of a mini race car."
Intellichoice:
Best Overall Value
From Kelley Blue Book:
California's favorite do-it-yourselfer gets some heat straight from the factory.A bahn-blazer from Japan that almost makes us forget the CRX.
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