Death Certificates obtained, both died at "Crew",  "District of Killough"   in the presence of their son William James Munce ( Captain, unmarried).
John died of " apoplexy suddenly no medical attendant", occupation farmer, on 30 June 1884 aged 80 years son of Joseph Munce farmer
Susanah (sic) died 12 November 1884 "apoplexy 8 days certified". 

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The children  of Susannah nee  Bingham and John Munce were all  born Crew Kildare, [ "townland"] Co. Down.
near Killough and Ardglass. probably born in the farmhouse at Crew Hill


Joseph MUNTZ   (1827-1902) m  Elizabeth  JAMISON    farmed land map below
 NEW INFO  on his life  and descendants  [ 3  living male descendants  named MUNTZ 2001- now 4 in  2007
 


Hugh MUNTZ   (1830 -1888) m Annie DUNSTAN [life and descendants 8  living male descendants  named MUNTZ 2001]
 

William James MUNCE ( 1831-1907) nm. Sea Captain (no photo) died in Western Australia.

letter to Brother Hugh  (censored) tells of laying the telegraph cable near India and family in Co.Down

Susan MUNTZ m  John STUART see Book
 Miss  Susan  MUNCE  .  Ardglass  daughter of John Munce ; aged 18 married John Stuart on 24 Aug 1854 source: Civil Registration Records
 


John MUNTZ m. Mary Harriet MALONE   [life and descendants -0  living male descendants  named MUNTZ 2001]

 

1. Eva Francis Bingham Muntz  (the only child of 9 to survive) m. Henry Alfred FURZE



Eliza Jane Muntz and brother William Muntz -  "Captain William Muntz, photo about 1855 Belfast" large  clear photo with this note on back- recent.

Eliza Jane Muntz m 10 October 1864,  William STOCKDALE
Miss   Eliza Jane   MUNCE   .   Ballyculter   , registered  births at  Strangford; wife of William Stockdale;
mother of Susanna b. 1869 & Elizabeth Margaret b. 1871

William Stockdale was the son of Hugh Stockdale of White hills? Parish of  Kilelly?. They were married in Registration District of Downpatrick, Co.Down, Ireland. in the presence of Newell Munce and Mary Ann Martin daughter of Sarah Bingham and Hugh Martin.

Eliza Jane Muntz  and her 8 children  came to  Australia in 1886, Woodend after  William Stockdale died. They worked a potato farm at Ashbourne close to Woodend then moved to Melbourne where the girls worked as seamstresses later retiring to Upwey in the Dandenongs .None of the girls  ever  married! The boys,  Hugh and William both married and had children. The descendants believe there was some problem with the land title and were left to pay off a huge debt.There seems to be no proof of this.


Eliza Jane Stockdale
with  all her children

Their Children were all born Strangford. N. Ireland:

1. Susan "Jane" Stockdale  - ref below perhaps this one Susanna b. 19 Aug 1869
2. Robert "Hugh"  Stockdale 19-Feb 1867 - 8-Mar 1935 - a house builder
• Jenny Elizabeth Stockdale 1922 St KIlda - 1926  Caulfield aged 13 of meningitis.
• Leonora Bingham "Nora' Stockdale 1913 St Kilda

    m 1949  Oswald HUGHES
1. NRH m KSS -2ch
2. DJH m ALF - 2ch
• Hugh Robert "Bob" Roger Stockdale 1916 Caulfield 199x

        m 1941 Malvern to Audrey May DOWLING  of Daylesford
1. JAS m BHB 3ch
2. PMS m PM 2 ch
3. Susan Muntz Stockdale - ref below perhaps this one Susanna b. 19 Aug 1869  N. Ireland..
4. Elizabeth Margaret Stockdale b. 21 Mar 1871 d Upwey
5. Mary Gerogina Stockdale 10-7-1875 - 22-4-1951 Upwey
6. William Stockdale 25 -6-1873 - 23 -1-1059 m Florence Emily BUGG , Vic.

 

 
 
 
 
 

William Stockdale and Florence Emily BUGG
 

• William John Stockdale 1913 m  HAEBERELEY dec. 1ch  Stockdale road accident dec.
• Ernest Henry Stockdale  1917 m  DIGHT 2ch
1. LS m BJN 2 ch
2. WLS m GMW - 3 ch Stockdale
• Hugh Arthur Stockdale  b.1925 m  .....       GUPPY 2ch
                                      d.20 Dec 2008 at Geelong.
1. RGS m AA   3 dau Geelong
2. CMS m JB   5 ch Geelong
• George Joseph Stockdale 1927 m GILLIES 2ch
1. SS m NF  ch?
2. RS m CG 2 ch dau



L-R  ? William John b1913, Hugh Arthur Stockdale for sure, b 1925 - d.2008 at Geelong , Ernest Henry b 1917, George Joseph b 1920
 

7. Josephine Stockdale 3-4-1878 White Hills N.Irl. 7-8-1964
 
Stockdales Farm was thought to be here  occupied by our Eliza Jane Staockdale and family in 1992 - photos below-  near Ashbourne or western  Woodend,  quite close to Jane's eldest brother Joseph Muntz at "Everleigh" farmlands.

Pics  1991 with Bob Stockdale [Hugh Robert Roger Stockdale b 1916] . We thought we were finding the remnants of is his grandmothers house and where his father Hugh worked as a young man.  He  then researched land titles to discover that the house marked Stockdale Farm on this 1950s  map below was built across two titles.  However later research with a man familiar with the 2 houses old and new on the property's drew a  map of two houses on either side of the property line... One mortgage holder [ 1881-1902] was William Muntz [son of Margaret BINGHAM and Joseph MUNCE] and it seems that  Jane Stockdale and family  moved to Melbourne some time around [1902? ] and went to live in  South melbourne and then The Avenue Prahran and later the Stockdale sisters lived at Upwey.  Bob was told there was  no land grant or rate records paid in Jane Stockdale's name - from a local historian  but Bob Stockdale found from council records that  rates were paid by Hugh Stockdale [ his father ] in  1892 for plot #III Q . Since around 1902 the 2 titles III Q & III J2  have been always had one owner. More rate records below...show that the rates were paid by  Eliza Jane and Robert Hugh Stockdale on land they occupied  owned by Joseph Muntz and in 1892 owned by J Affleck see below...There is no proof that  our relatives/ancestors ever lived on those tittles  apart from this 1957 map! Bob also got rates from council and they show  the Stockdale Muntz family paid rates for land owned by Eliza Jane's eldest brother Joseph Muntz See below page of rates from Mr Drew..[Updated 7pm 9 December 2007]

Point 1 on map below - dirt road down to Campaspe River closed  by fence. to right of pic.-a few yards.[c 1991]


 

Point 2 on map- we were crossing  a weekend farmers land to look at Stockdales Farm house.
A well worn down old track following curves of the Campape river.

What remained after bushfires in 1990 of a 1900 built house on O'Gradys plot.  Point 3



1957  Army contour map - the first to use the name "Stockdale Farm".
Bob Stockdale finally found out that  this was an error  which should have read Stogdale! I have a letter  to Bob from   Survey and Mapping, Victoria, Feb 1993 that states the Crown Grant C/A 11Q of 19-1-1873 was given to O'Grady, but  the proprietor of this property at the time of the  Survey between 1950 and 1968  was  G.../ Edwick Derrick STOGDALE !



Those land titles  on "Stockdale Farm" - I have copies of if anyone is interested there must have been some dispute.[I am not sure what all this means...]

Below is page  2 of   Cert of Title granted to John O'Grady, 1879, Vol1135 Fol 226962 - land block called III J2

 

Bob Stockdale got this page  below, from the Rates Mr Drew, of  Council  of Woodend which do not show land plot numbers:


 

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[ I'm  looking for a  connection of the Muntz / MUNCE family with the Hamiltons  in County Down- - "William HAMILTON   .   Down   in Demesne of Down, leased a house from George Stockdale in 1863   GV " I dont know what GV stand for except some records] I  dont think there is one ... 2007]

William   STOCKDALE   .   Ballyculter   regt. Strangford; husband of Eliza Jane Munce;
                                                father of Susanna b. 19 Aug 1869 &
                                                Elizabeth Margaret b. 21 Mar 1871  [from CR  records  - probably christening records?]

George   STOCKDALE   .   Down   of Demesne of Down; leased 2 acres from William Keown & leased a house to William Hamilton in 1864   GV

Mr.   George  STOCKDALE  .   Down  of Downpatrick; b. 1826; husband of Mary McCammon; father of Elizabeth, George b. 13 Feb 1874 & Anna Frances b. 31 Jan 1871; left a will; a builder; Church of Ireland graveyard; d. 1885 death notice 2 May 1885; built Ballyculter school
 

 
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