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taguhi - 12/28/00 09:25:30
My Email:taguhi@poczta.onet.pl

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I love this side and I thing that it is very good. Keep it going.

taguhi - 12/28/00 09:25:27
My Email:taguhi@poczta.onet.pl

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I love this side and I thing that it is very good. Keep it going.

cristina kaisserian - 12/07/00 06:58:56
My URL:http://web.one.net.au/ck26457
My Email:spygrrl@one.net.au

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I loved your page...I am Armenian and was born in Australia...I grew up in Sydney which is a LARGE international city and knew ZERO about the Armenian Genocide until my 20's...I feel so robbed of my history and my people...as an artist and passionate pers n (I think all Aremenains ARE!) I want to scream it to the world...I want to create such graphic images that cannot be denied any longer...although I deplore violence I do understand how frustration and being gagged can produce that level of anger...I nee a chanel for that anger!

Jason Marcus - 11/20/00 06:59:58
My Email:marksestate@yahoo.com

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I am not Armenian. But I have been a student of European and Asian history for a very long time. The Armenian civilization has experienced a long and glorious history of which they should be extremely proud. Unfortunately, however, the great nation of rmenia has had to endure tremendous suffering and tragedy as well. Sadly and ironically, not nearly enough people are aware of this terrible fact: The Turkish genocidal holocaust of the Armenian people ranks as one of the three most monstrous crimes in a l of human history. The Armenian people have suffered enough! May the world finally recognize the genius and greatness of the Armenian Nation and, more importantly, the heinous crimes that Azerbaijan is committing against the peaceful and long-agonizing Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh. This is a wonderful page! However, I think it is necessary to state that I find it rather curious that you've quoted from Thomas Goltz's book, which is a despicable and racist piece of "literary" (for lack of a better word garbage that compares Armenian reunification with Nagorno-Karabakh with NAZI GERMANY'S ANSCHLUSS WITH AUSTRIA! Goltz is a hugely misinformed and blatantly deceitful ENEMY of the Armenian people who lies to the world on behalf of Azerbaijan. Please be a are of this. Take care. And keep up the magnificent work on this excellent page!

Kurdistan - 10/18/00 07:48:25

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Kurdistan - 10/18/00 07:17:43
My URL:http://oocities.com/kurdsnet

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Nice Page .... Long Live Kurdistan .. death to turkish fascists

Greek Cypriot - 10/16/00 08:08:35

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I READ THIS WHOLE PAGE, AND I WAS APPAULED TO READ NICK'S COMMENTS ON CYPRUS AND THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE, SO I DECIDE TO SET HIM STRAIGHT. IN 1960 BRITAIN WHICH HAD RULED CYPRUS LEFT AND INSTITUTED IT'S OWN CONSTITUTION ON THE ISLAND. THIS CONSTITUITON WA TO PROVIDE FOR EQUAL REPRESENTATION IN THE GOVERNMENT OF BOTH GREEKS AND TURKS. WHAT MY BRITISH FRIEND DOESN'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT AT THE TIME, AS TODAY, THE GREEK AND TURKISH ETHNIC MAKEUP WAS NOWEHERE NEAR EQUAL. GREEKS OUTNUMBERED TURKS ALMOST 3 TO 1 DOES THIS SOUND LIKE A DEMOCRACY? NO. IN A DEMOCRACY IT IS A MAJORITY RULE. EQUAL REPRESENTATION WOULD BE STUPID. THINK OF IT LIKE THIS. SAY THAT THERE WERE ONE MILLION WHITE'S IN A CITY, AND ONLY 250,000 BLACKS. WOULD THE BLACKS THEREFORE BE ENTI LED TO HOLD AN EQUAL NUMBER OF SEATS IN THE CITY COUNCIL AS THE WHITES? MAYBE, IF THEY WERE VOTED IN, BUT ASSUMING THAT ONLY THE WHITES WOULD VOTE WHITE, AND ONLY THE BLACKS WOULD VOTE BLACK, WOULD THEY HAVE AN EQUAL NUMBER? HELL NO. THIS IS AS IT WAS N CYPRUS. WHY SHOULD THE GREEKS BE FORCED TO EQUALLY SHARE POWER WITH A GROUP THAT WAS NOT EQUAL TO THEM? THIS KIND OF "DEMOCRACY" DOESN'T EXIST ANYWHERE ELSE. TRY TO PASS THIS KIND OF LAW IN THE U.S AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. ALSO REFFERING TO THIS UNDEMO RATIC CONSTITUTION THAT NICK KEEPS ON QUOTING FROM, THIS WAS NOT A CONSTITUTION MADE BY THE CYPRIOTS, IT WAS IMPOSED UPON THEM BY AN OCCUPYING POWER, BRITAIN. WHY IN THE HELL SHOULD THEY BE FORCED UNDER THIS UNFAIR CONSTITUTION THAT THEY DIDN'T EVEN WRIT ? DOES AMERICA STILL USE THE BRITISH CONSTITUTION? OF COURSE NOT, BECAUSE AFTER THE BRITISH WERE BEATEN BY THE AMERICAN'S, THE AMERICAN'S MADE THEIR OWN CONSTITUTION, BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, AND FOR THEM. IT IS NOT BRITAIN'S RIGHT TO IMPOSE THIS CONSTI UTION ON CYPRUS. THEY SHOULD NEVER EVEN BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO, APPROXIMATELY 75% OF THE POPULATION OF CYPRUS WAS IN FAVOUR OF ENOSIS (UNION) WITH GREECE, AND 25% WAS NOT. IN ANY OTHER DEMOCRACY THIS FIGURE WOULD HAVE MEANT THAT THIS WOULD P SS, BUT OH NO, BECAUSE THEY GREEKS WERE FORCED UPON THIS "CONSTITUTION" BY THE BRITISH OCCUPIERS, THEY ARE EXPECTED TO FORGET ABOUT THIS? GET REAL! SHOW ME ANY OTHER REFERENDUM IN WHICH FULLY 75% OF THE PEOPLE ARE IN FAVOUR OF SOMETHING AND IT NEVER PAS ED. THE TURKS INVADED FOR ONE REASON, AND ONE REASON ONLY. BECAUSE IN THE EVENT OF CYPRUS JOINING GREECE, AND A WAR WERE TO BREAK OUT, CYPRUS WOULD ALLOW THE GREEKS TO OPEN UP A SECOND FRONT IN SOUTHERN TURKEY. THE FACT THAT THE TURKS CLAIM THEY INVADE TO PROTECT TURKISH CIVILIANS IS LAUGHABLE. ALSO NICK, YOU SEEM TO LIKE INSULTING GREECE'S INFRASTRUCTURE AND PEOPLE YET AT THE SAME TIME PRAISING TURKEY'S. WHAT IN THE HELL DO YOU BELEIVE YOU KNOW ABOUT EITHER? LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING MY BRIT FRIEND VISITING THAT PART OF THE WORLD AND LIVING THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS ALL TOGETHER. JUST BECAUSE YOU SEEM TO LIKE TAKING VACATIONS THERE, YOU THINK YOU ARE AN EXPERT? SORRY, BUT YOU ARE FAR FROM IT. YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA OF THE TURKS! NONE! I LOST 2 COUSINS IN THE TURKISH INVASION OF CYPRUS, AND A HOUSE AND PROPERTY! BUT YOU PRESENT THE TURKS HERE AS GOOD PEACE LOVING PEOPLE. MAYBE SOME ARE, BUT I SEE A DIFFERENT SIDE. LOOK AT THEIR TARCK RECORD. TAKE OUT A MAP, LOOK AT ALL THEIR NEIGHB URS AND YOU WILL FIND ALL ARE AT ODDS WITH TURKEY. GREECE, CYPRUS, SYRIA, BULGARIA, ARMENIA, IRAN, IRAQ, AND EVEN THE KURDS. ALL OF THESE COUNTRIES CAN'T ALL BE WRONG ABOUT TURKEY. NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD HAS SUCH BAD RELATIONS WITH NEIGBOURING C UNTRIES AS DOES TURKEY. GREECE, ON THE OTHER HAND MAY NOT ENJOY A LOVING RELATIONSHIP WITH MACEDONIA, AND ALBANIA, BUT WE HAVE MOVED TO MEND THOSE FENCES. GREECE IS THE BIGGEST INVESTOR IN MACEDONIA, AND ALL OF MOST OF IT'S ENERGY, AND INDUSRTY ARE GREE OWNED. GREECE IS ALSO THE SECOND BIGGEST INVESTOR IN ALBANIA. WITH BULGARIA GREECE HAS HAD WARM REALATIONS, WE SHARE MANY TREATIES AND COOPERATE IN MANY FIELDS. OH NO, BUT TURKEY IS THE ANGEL , AND WE ARE THE AGRESSORS! I DON'T THINK SO! AS FOR INFR STRUCTURE, GREECE IS NOT "MARGINALLY" BETTER AS YO SAY, ON THE CONTRARY, IT IS A WORLD APART. CURRENT PROJECTS INCLUDE: THE EGNATIA 6 LANE MOTORWAY WITH HIGH SPEED RAIL LINKS IN THRACE AND MACEDONIA, TELE-COMMUNICATION'S PROJECTS TO LINK THE WHOLE COUNTR , PORT UPGADES IN PEIRAIS, THESSALONIKI, ALEXANDROUPOLIS, AKTION, IRAKLIO, SOUDA, AND PATRA, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ULTRA HIGH TEC INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT IN ATHENS, RINGROAD AROUND ATHENS, HIGH SPEED RAIL LINES INTO PELOPONESOS, THE PATRA BRIGDE TO IPER S, THE ATHENS METRO, THESSALONIKI METRO, AND MULTI AIRPORT UPGRADES IN THSAALONIKI, KALAMATA, IOANINA, AND RHODES. THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE MAJOR PROJECTS UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW. WHILE GREECE SPENDS MONEY FOR THESE THINGS THE TURKS ARE IN DEBT AT LEAST 2 BILLION U.S FOR THE EARTH QUAKE. AS FOR THIS 5 STAR HOTEL IN CRETE THAT YOU STAYED IN WITH THE CEMENT BED, I HAVE BEEN TO IRAKLIO, XANIA, AND NUMEROUS SMALL VILLAGES ON CRETE, AND EVEN IN THE MOST ISOLATED VILLAGES ON THE ISLAND, I STILL NEVER EXPERINCED THIS. BUT I BET YOU WERE COMFORTABLE IN TURKEY. DON'T EVEN ATTEMPT TO COMAPRE GREECE'S TOURISM INFRASTRUCTUER TO TURKEY'S BECAUSE YOU EMBARRASYOURSELF AND SHOW EVERYONE HOW NAIVE YOU REALLY ARE. WHY DON'T YOU GO TO THE SOUTHEAST OF TURKEY, AND THEN TEL ME IF YOU LIKE IT THERE, BUT IF YOU WRITE BACK, I BET YOU'LL SAY YOU "HAVE" BEEN THERE! SO IN CONCLUSION MY FRIEND, PLEASE DON'T COME HERE AND ATTEMPT TO TELL US, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPERINCED TURKEY'S "HOSPITALITY" WHAT REALLY IS THE CASE, BECAUSE FRA KLY, YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ALL ABOUT ANY OF IT!!!! P.S- IN RESPONSE TO YOU SAYING THAT YOUR UNCLE DIED DEFENDING CRETE IN WWII, (WHICH IS MOST LIKELY BULLSHIT)2TIMES THIS CENTURY MY COUNTRY HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN A MAJOR WAR THAT YOU (GERMANS, BRITS, FRENCH ETC. THE "CIVILIZED" WORLD)STARTED. AS FAR AS WE REEKS ARE CONCERNED, WHEN THE GERMANS DEFEATED THE BRITISH TO TAKE GREECE, WE TRADED ONE OCCUPIER FOR ANOTHER, AND AT LEAST THE GERMANS HAD THE BALLS TO TELL US THAT THEY WERE OCCUPIERS. P.P.S- PLEASE DON'T VIST GREECE EVER AGAIN! YOU DIRTY IT!

Greek Cypriot - 10/16/00 08:08:02

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I am Greek...I live in Canada...I only have to say this to the Turks...We are building a peace between our two peoples, let us continue on this historic and just cause and live together in peace and friendship...We have so much to offer one another if we an move past our troubled past... PEACE FOR GREECE AND TURKEY!!!!

Rich - 09/17/00 05:04:20
My URL:http://www.oocities.org/armo74

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Just a subtle reminder.... Turkey still sucks.

Webmaster - 09/16/00 17:58:05

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Armen jan can you tell me where you found this source. It is truly amazing. I didnt know all the evil leaders were assasinated. Long live Dashnaks!!!!!!!!!!

Armen Hovanessian - 09/15/00 15:29:13

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Those who say we are brainwashed to think the way we think about the Armenian Genocide...let's go back to years after World War I ended in 1918...Long Live Armenian Fedayees! When the reports of the massacres in the turkish provinces reached the United States Ambassador in Constantinople, Henry Morgenthau, he tried to intervene in favor of the Armenians at the highest turkish quarters. However, the turkish officials' attitude ade it clear to him that there was no sense in negotiating with "statesmen" of this type. Therefore, no more help could be given to the Armenians during the war, as there were soon practically no Armenians left in Turkey in whose favor one could intervene The executors of the Armenian Genocide fled Turkey, changing their names and what is most important without being punished from the "civilized" world. The verdict to punish the executors of the Armenian Genocide was handed down by the Ninth World Congres of the ARF which took place in the autumn of 1919. The series of assassinations was carried out. The series began, quite justly, with the assassination of Talaat Pasha, the Ottoman Empire's former Minister of the Interior and the man most responsible for the Genocide. Six others, Jivanshir, Sayid Halim Pasha, Behaedin Shakir, Jemal Azmi, Jemal Pasha nd Enver Pasha, were also felled one after the other in the years 1921-1922. In 1920, Soghomon Tehlirian went from Constantinople to the United States, where he was briefed by the Central Committee and received the blessings of Armen Karo. He returned to Europe, arriving in Berlin on December 3 to search for the murderer Talaat. Shahan Natali, Hrach Papazian, Libarid Nazariants, Vahan Zakarian, Hazor and several others were already in Berlin to organize and conduct the necessary undercover work. Tehlirian joined them. The collective effort finally bore fruit; Talaat's residence was discovered and placed under surveillance. On March 15, 1921, in front of number 17 Hardenberg Strasse, Talaat, shot in the head with one round from Tehlirian's pistol, fell dead on the sidewalk. One can easily obtain the details of Tehlirian's subsequent arrest and noisy trial - the testimony by the great armenofile Dr. Johannes Lepsius on the Genocide, the successful efforts of the German defense lawyers, the not guilty verdict f the German Court and Tehlirian's release of the start of June 1921. Behboud Khan Jivanshir, a leader of the Musavat party, was Azerbaijan's Minister of the Interior in 1918 during the fighting in Baku. He was considered the man most responsible for the massacres carried out against the Armenians in September of that year. In mid-1921 he was in Constantinople. The Responsible Body assigned the task of assassinating Jivanshir to an ARF fedayee, Misak Torlakian, who was assisted in the task of surveillance by Haroutiunian and Yervant Funtukian. On the night of July 28, as Jivanshir left the "Petit Champ" theater for the "Pera Palace" hotel, he was shot to death by Torlakian. The avenger was arrested and badly beaten by the French security feircest of Consta tinople but was later handed over to the British occupation forces, whose court acquitted him in November of 1921. On the afternoon of December 5, 1921, in Rome, Sayid Halim Pasha, Prime Minster of the Ottoman Empire in the days of the Genocide, was assa sinated as he drove to his home on Via Eustacchio. The avenger was young Arshavir Shirakian, who had been sent to Rome at the end of June by the Diasporan Responsible Body. He was assisted by Krikor Merjian off in conducting the surveillance of Sayid Hali , and Mikayel Varantian, who was still in Rome as the official representative of the Armenian Republic, was also kept informed of the operation. Quick and adroit, Shirakian avoided capture after the assassination and was back in Constantinople within a mo th. Shirakian did not stay in Constantinople for long, however; the Responsible Body sent him to Berlin in pursuit of other criminals. With him went Arshag Mousheghian (Yezid) as his assistant, while the organizers of the operation, Shahan Natali, Hrach apazian and Shirakian, were already in Berlin, as was the veteran ARF avenger Aram Yerganian. The surveillances began in mid-February, 1922; the plan was to assassinate the collective Ittihad leadership gathered in Berlin. Hrach Papazian, disguised as a w althy Turkish student, had infiltrated turkish circles and almost daily passed on information to Natali and Shirakian finally, on the night of April 17 on the main street of Uhland, Arshavir Shirakian and Aram Yerganian assassinated the butcher of Trebizo d, Jemal Azmi and Ittihad Central Committee member Behaeddin Shakir. Both avengers escaped, disappearing into the night. A few months later, another assassination took place, this time in Tiflis. On July 25, in broad daylight and in front of Cheka headqu rters, ARF avengers Stepan Dzaghikian, Bedros Der Boghosian and Ardashes Kevorkian felled Jemal Pasha, member of the Ittihad Triumvirate, who was at the time in collaboration with the Bolsheviks. Witness to the act, the infamous Lavrenti Beria, then chief of the Georgian Cheka, told those near him with certainty, "Eda Dashnakski terror". The daring nature of the attack had attested to its authorship. Not a month had passed, when in August 1922 the last member of the Ittihad Triumvirate, the former Ministe of War Enver Pasha, was killed in Soviet Turkestan. Enver was to escape the ARF avengers, for he was killed in August 1922 in Soviet Turkestan by an Armenian soldier in the Red Army.

Armen Hovanessian - 09/15/00 14:38:25

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All you turkish people, take your lies and shove them up your asses. Azeris, you tried a couple of times to take over northern Iran and you failed. And you tried to annex and turkify Gharabagh and we showed you what we could do to you. And your fucking st p brothers in Turkey, bunch of sheep herding mongols from central Asia, tried to exterminate us one of the ancient and the most advanced and civilized people of the Caucasus but they failed. When you mess with Armenian pride, you will pay with your blood. Now let these events be lessons to you that you can not forcefully occupy somebody else's historic lands and claim it yours. No fucking chance! Nakhichevan and Western Armenia (Turkey) is next to be liberated by any means. Long live Armenia!

Aram Hamparian - 08/23/00 17:52:05
My URL:http://www.anca.org
My Email:anca@anca.org

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Great site. Please consider adding www.anca.org to your links section. Thanks. Aram

Takouhi Igidbashian - 08/16/00 03:22:00
My Email:tigidbas@uci.edu

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fabulous website.

Sona - 07/30/00 05:34:18
My Email:HyeChick52@hotmail.com

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To Kamran, You are wrong in your words dear. You try to speak to meaning fully, when no meaning comes out at all. Hypocrites you call us, no, now you are just prejudging us. Can I ask you a question, where you there, did you see the blood shead. I wasn't, but my rand parents where. If you have a chance, you ask them what happened. Oh, and one more thing, just because Armenians say they feel safe, doesn't mean we do, you don't know us in the inside. We have the fear of remembrence, and history can repeat itself

Rich - 07/30/00 05:20:18

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You're dumb. 1 million total refugees. Armenians AND Azeris. Armenians had 94% majority in Karabakh in 1920, only 75% in 1988. WHY?

Kamran - 07/27/00 11:36:50
My Email:bagirov@europe.com

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I was really nervous reading this page, full of lies and hypocricy. You, armenians, blame azeris for killing thousands armenians in Baku and Karabaph. Why don't you mentione about thousands killed azeris, a million azeri refuges and thousand missing aze is? You mentioned about disorders in Baku when 127 (according to my source it was 32) armenians were killed (so-called "armenian genocide"). But why don't you mentione that after this disorders the Russian (Soviet) troops invaded into Baku and killed thou ands civilians as armenian revenge. Why don't you mention that the armenian minorty in Karabaph ousted the majority azeri people from their land by means of Russian (Soviet) troops. You, armenians, remember Hodjali-city?! When your terroristic guards to ether with Russian troops occupied this city and destroyed all its population. Nobody stayed alive. Thousands and thousands azeri men, women, childreen and the olds were killed in Karabagh. Nothing was mentioned about it. All you can do is to speculate your "so-called" tragedy and create "victim" image of armenia. Why, don't you, hypocrites, mention a out thousands killed azeris in Armenia. Why don't you mentione about thousands azeris displaced from armenia, in 1960, 1972, 1980 and 1988-1989? Why don't you mention that thousands armenians are still living in Baku and feel safety. Why don't you menti n that thousands armenians moved from Azerbaijan to Russia are in touch with azeris and want to come back. Why don't you mention that armenia is the puppet of Russia and Karabaph war was initiated by Moscow to have certain control over the independent Az rbaijan. Why don't you mention that most armenian civilians left Karabagh for Armenia after it was occupied by armenia and Karabagh is used as the base of all international terrorists (including muslims)?! I'll tell you why. Becouse, you, hypocrites, are slaves of your insane ideology. You wrote your own history and invented so-called grand armenia. You are sick. You impose your significanse and tragedy to all the world, which doesn't recognise it and doe not intend to. You hate everone who doesn't accept this. YOU ARE TERRORORISTS AND KILLERS PRETENDING TO BE VICTIMS.

JACK - 06/29/00 02:13:03

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I JUST WANTED TO SAY GOOD LUCK ARMENIA

Tigrannes III - 06/26/00 00:05:45
My Email:yerevant@hotmail.com

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Email me bro. Keep the fight alive.

Aram - 06/25/00 02:14:24
My Email:djram@freenet.am

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well there is some harsh words in your open letter, and I dont know if I'll agree with everithink you wrote, but, nevertheless, there is 90% truth in what you're saying ther. As far as united assault of all the country's you mentioned... well it'll never happen... Look what turks did in Cypros. Who stood up to say anything then? Don't wanna be against your dream, but we've got to be politicaly in good relation with the rubish of the world, so we can clean it up. Good work. Best wishes to you!

Zaven Altounian - 06/09/00 02:55:13
My Email:WaterSkiZZ@aol.com

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I must say that this site Is Great and I wish all the luck to Armenians around the world. With out you nothing that we've achieved would be possible

serega - 04/08/00 03:50:53

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I LIVED IN BAKU FOR ABOUT 7 YEARS AND I LEFT THAT TIME WHEN THE AZERIS START THAT MESS. I REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN WITH MY EYES THOSE MURDERS THAT AZERIS COMMITED BUT I HEARED FROM MY BEST FRIEND(ARMENIAN) WHO LIVED IN SUMGAIT THAT HE SAW WITH HIS OWN EYES HOW AZERI THREW THE ARMENIAN CHILD FROM THE 6TH FLOOR'S WINDOW.I GOT SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY KUNEM DZER LAVE TURKER AND AZERIS. KUNENK DZER LAVE MINCHEV DUK BOZI THERK AND AXCHIKNER SIKNERET KASHET KAVKAZITS. KUNEM DZER LAVE. FUCK ALL TURKS AND AZERIS ALL OVER HE WORLD.THANK YOU FOR READING.

Tabib - 04/07/00 11:06:41
My URL:http://www.oocities.org/fanthom_2000

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I just saw a terrible photo of an Armenian boy killed from behind a shelling by Azeri artillery in this site. And I was really grieved for seeing that. And I also remembered many other terrible photos of Azeri children ruthlessly killed point-black in Khojaly, in Kelbajar in Shusha.. And I thought how long it will continue, how long we will post the pictures of the war atrocities we have committed again t each other forgetting or intentionally ignoring the sufferings of the other side? We both have suffered enough and both Armenians and Azeris (and Turks as well) should realize that we are neighbors whether we want this or not. We can't just get rid of each other, we simply can't. And obviously we won't help our peoples by rousing ethn c hatred among our peoples and driving our peoples to war. So I call to you Don't get stuck in your history. Stop whining about "Armenian genocide" and "deprived poor Armenian people". WE BOTH HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH!.. We both were killed just because we were Armenians or Azeris or Turks. We both have been deportated from our homes and underwent ethnic cleansing, during World War I, during Soviet period, NOW.. And it is immoral to argue who have suffered more. So, plea e, don't! Let's open our eyes and see the world as it is. WE HAVE TO LIVE TOGETHER! And those who think otherwise draw our peoples to even more disasters. So, those who think otherwise: don't complain of your sufferings because you have a personal responsibility for the disasters.

Webmaster - 03/31/00 20:38:31

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Hi to all three of you girls. That was a nice statement you guys made. It is nice to know what people from Baku think. I want to know more about what happen to Armenians in Baku during those times. Can you please email me at hye4life@excite.com ThankX

Anna, Liana, Gayana - 03/27/00 07:48:50
My Email:angrig@hotmail.com

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We were very impressed after reading the guestbook. And here is what we have to say. It is not a matter of fact what different people think and write about Armenians, Armenian genocide and relations between Turks, Azeris and Armenians. The fact is that th Armenian genocide was in 1915 and that thousands of Armenians were killed in 1988 in Baku and Sumgait. This is the fact prooved by those who study in Azerbaijan schools, that Azerbaijan falsificate the history by showing the maps of the ancient world, where Azerbaijan occupies all the territory of the ancient Armenia. Azerbaijan publish "historical" books here it is written that Armenians were trying to take over the Turkish territory during the world war I and that Armenians started to kill Azeris in Baku. You can easily see these maps and books in the libraries in Azerbaijan. However, the real thing is, that Turkey overflowed by its ambitions to create the new Ottoman Empire, tries to get rid of all the minorities which are on its way. They started with Armenians, exorcising them to the Dar es Zor desert in the 1915, then, the continued by announcing Cyprus - a Turkish territory, which caused the war with Greeks, now they continued with Kurds. All the minorities were said to be "dangerous elemets that ruins the peace in Turkey". In these political intrigues Turkey found a stro g support in Islamic Azerbaijan, which was first created as an independant republic during the ages of the Soviet Union and was formed from the people of Turkish origin. It is not a matter of ahtred or opinion. These are the facts prooved by the survivors and eyewitnesses. After all we went through in Baku, it hurts to be called "liars". WE, Armenians should not forget the history but move on in lives to be more powerful nation and be able to protect ourselves in the future. From Baku survivors with love.

drew16n-AKA Pologirl - 03/03/00 21:45:55
My Email:drew16n@hotmail.com

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hey art, what's up..well, i must say im quite impressed by the site which you and a friend, it seems, have created. Though most of it seems like cut, paste, and add a link stuff, i must say even that takes a lot of work..so congrats on the webpage you ha renaser dgha ;O) and good luck!

Hakob - 02/26/00 22:24:08
My URL:http://www.oocities.org/hakobik
My Email:hakobik@yahoo.com

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hi. i want to tell you that you made greatest website that i saw. and there is some more links for your website visitors it will help them .. [ ZEVS ] [ Traxx ] [ Katy ]

Maggie - 02/26/00 11:34:05
My Email:star24jkrn@1stnetusa.com

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Well, first of all, i'd like to say that I very much enjoyed your web-site. I literally spent hours reading some of the other past comments and discussions. I'm VERY proud to be Armenian, even though I was born there, I left at a very early age. And one d y, I hope to be Blessed so that I might get a chance to see my country. Throughout my life, I have heard the stories of grief and sorrow that my country has felt. My great-great Grandfather was killed by the turks and to this day I remember my Grandfather speaking of it like it just happened yesterday. The fact that some people view the Armenian Genocide as a political "event" only makes the knife go deeper in our wounds. But never fear, every injustice will also be judged in the end. I'd like to finish of by saying two things; 1)The difficult part in an argument is not to defend ones opinion, but rather to know it. 2) And lastly, One of the most effective ways in which dominant groups maintain their power is by depriving the people they dominate of the kn wledge of their own history. Once again, great site, keep up the good work, all of us Armenians appericate it. :)

Rich - 02/22/00 23:30:19
My URL:http://www.oocities.org/armo74

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What's up bro?

Attila - 01/23/00 02:44:44

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Hey Andre, your message on the front page moved me so much it reminded me of John Lennon's Imagine: Imagine all the nations Sharing Turkey's pieces Woo-hoo, hoo-hoo-hoo You might sa-ay I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one Perhaps some day you'll join us And the Tu-urks will be-e gone. Not bad huh? Maybe you could post it up there with the other crap.

Attila - 01/21/00 04:46:56

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Thanks for pointing out that little point, you're right, I don't know the exact figures obviously and I wrote something that contradicted itself, though the basic point stands. I was merely making fun of the writing of Andre's on the main page. I do not d ny a genocide occurred in Anatolia around 1915, and perhaps after. It did occur and I personally am sorry it did. But this doesn't give anyone the right to call me a rat-faced, smelly Turk whose country must be destroyed. Or do you want to follow the same policy as the Young Turks?

Vartan - 01/21/00 04:20:56
My Email:Vartan1213@hotmail.com

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"The fact that there are probably five times as many Turks in U.S. universities than there are Armenians must also be a mere detail" The FACT that there are PROBABLY? How is probably a fact? Obviously, you don't know what you're talking about and just made that so called statistic up or else you wouldn't have had to say probably. But, I do not deny that there are PROBABLY more Turks in US universities than Armenians. The reason? There are a lot less Armenians around today because most of them were murdered in the ARMENIAN GENOCIDE. All over the world I am hearing news reports of countries and cities acknowledging the Genocide and many things like that. In Germany, thousands of much more sensible Turks signed a petition to the German government to acknowledge the Genocide. It will be placed in the Genocide Museum there. Little by little the world is finding out the truth. I wouldn't be surprised if nearly the whole world recognizes the Armenian Genocide in the next couple decades. You Turks who still deny the Armenian Genocide, you are all fighting a losing battle and so n truth will finally prevail.

Attila - 01/18/00 06:51:23

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Yeah, great site. I had fun reading about your grand world coalition coming to smite the rat-faced, smelly, stupid Turks. I mean, as you say, you are all so intelligent, it's gotta happen! You build Migs, right? Whereas the Turks only build F-16's... Lose s! The fact that there are probably five times as many Turks in U.S. universities than there are Armenians must also be a mere detail, because the Armenians are genetically of obvious superior mettle than the Turks, right? Hey Andre, click your heels thre times and see if you can make it back to Kansas.

Discover Turkey - 01/16/00 03:42:10
My URL:http://i.am/discoverturkey/
My Email:turkey@hello.to

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Turkish Crimes against Greeks, Cypriots, Armenians and Kurds. http://i.am/discoverturkey/

Chris Astoyan - 01/07/00 01:18:38
My URL:http://www.astoyan.homepage.com
My Email:astoyan@usa.com

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What a great site!! Keep up the good work. www.astoyan.homepage.com

Vahe kasbarian - 01/01/00 15:33:04
My Email:hayglendale@usa.com

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Hi, I just wanted to thank you guys for the worderful website you made. I wish to you and to all Armenien people in all of the world Merry Christams nad Happy New year. Regards Vahe Kasbarian Sweden

hamza morgul - 12/28/99 04:57:41

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Well the true genocidal intentions of whoever wrote this page is remarkable. Calls to "destroy Turkey in a day", "rat faced Turks" etc...! Hey sorry about your people but I mean aren't you just proving that you're no better than those you critisize? belie e me, I've been to Armenia and I've been to Turkey and I have no illusions as to which country is more modern and advanced...

Scarlet - 12/27/99 16:49:39
My Email:Samtha_P@yahoo.com

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Thanks for all the great info informative also .. I just surfed on your page..

- 12/22/99 13:36:57

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Edward - 11/03/99 07:51:23

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Arthur, your devotion to our people has earned you a people's medal! It is you that is the hope of our people! You are a shining star! May our God bless you! Keep up your most excellent work!

Discover Turkey - 10/16/99 00:11:09
My URL:http://hello.to/turkey
My Email:turkey@hello.to

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Lern about Turkeys Genocide of Kurds, Greeks, Cypriots and Armenians.

Bartev - 10/03/99 21:42:32
My Email:bart99@videotron.ca

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Dear Arthur, as usual I can only praise you for everything you are doing for the Armenian Cause. You can count on me if I can help you in any way. Hatchoghutyun & best regards Bartev

Webmaster - 10/01/99 22:21:11

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What response would you like?

sebouh - 10/01/99 10:14:23
My URL:http://www.dm.net.lb
My Email:sebouh69@hotmail.com

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we will talk about this page after i get a response from you.

Edward - 09/26/99 06:19:09
My URL:You know

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E-mail me ASAP, you have my e-mail address. I need to talk with you. Thanks Brother!

Spool man - 09/25/99 05:28:12

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Aren't you guys just a little deranged! Every nation has been fucked sometime or another by some one - shit happens man. Y'all wanna conjure up the ghosts of the dead, dudes. Chill...

Alfred Markarian - 09/20/99 00:24:20
My URL:http://homepage.idx.com.au/arvest
My Email:arvest@idx.com.au

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Great site, I will visit again.

- 09/18/99 20:53:38

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Artur - 08/26/99 02:35:40

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Ape of course Armenians can do everything.

Will - 08/24/99 20:03:42
My Email:djwillyd@yahoo.com

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Artur ape it's me... vonts es??? Artur can u put ur site in Armenian Webring....

Andre - 08/13/99 01:55:11

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Nick you still havent visited that site. The link is at the top of this site. Make sure to click on the banner at the bottom everytime you visit to make the webmaster some money =) For now make sure to read non biased news

Nick - 08/09/99 17:59:51

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Well, Andre, being in the UK I don't know about the ABC News Armenian Genocide chat line- The number of entries won't indicate anything- only that some people are very busy. How do I find this chat line? I'll have a look if I have time.

Andre - 08/09/99 15:35:47

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Nick your getting confused with yourself. I am from America and I read only Washington Times or new York. If these newspapers dont tell me the truth then what does. From what I have read from the newspapers. They have all continously talked about the Arme ian Genocide particulary about the memories and they have talked about the Turkish invasion of Cyprus. End of question. Its you thats been filled up with propaganda just like your Turkey. They dont even allow textbooks with the word Armenian Genocide in t eir country. OHHHHHHH they are really democratic arent they. YA Right. They are losers and denialists just like you are. So get it through your head what you are and you should start reading unbiased news for once in your life. Trust me it will help you i your arguements. Also how come you never talk in the ABCNEWS Armenian Genocide room where there has been over 3,000 posts breaking every record for ABC. Because, you know you dont have anything to back it up but your country propaganda. Get a life.

Nick - 08/09/99 15:10:13

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Andre- I do not deny- I question. You are prepared to believe anything about the Turks even to the denigration of their cooking! Andre, the Turks are there, you have to live with the fact. Demonising them solves nothing and certainly does not make for acc rate history- your beliefs on the Cypriot question demonstrate that.You have to contort history to fit your vision- which is the wrong way round. You have to look at history objectively and then produce a picture. I understand your motivation but blind ac eptance of one monolithic view will only lead down a blind alley

Andre - 08/08/99 17:37:14

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Oh please Nick. You name should be Denier rather than Nick. All you do is deny. Now your denying that they were Turks. Yes there were Turkish citizens not Kurdish. If you ever read non-propaganda news maybe something true will get into your thick skull.
Nick - 08/07/99 16:58:56

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Oh Andre- Were these German Turks Turkish Turks or Kurdish Turks?- It is sometimes hard to tell the difference since they all speak Turkish due to profusion of mutually unintelligable Kurdish dialects.

Nick - 08/07/99 16:56:03

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I am not the one who has gone to all the trouble of setting up a racist web site with a carefully selected version of events Andre. I merely dip in now and again and make an observation or two.

Andre - 08/07/99 16:55:42

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Nick I have a suggestion for you. Why dont you stop spreading your wings trying to put hatred and lies into peoples minds. I have one thing to tell you. How about we wait for the US presidential elections. Then you will see either Elizabeth dole or Bill B adley say US Recognizes the Armenian Genocide. Then I guess you will burn in fire cause of the Armenian Genocide. What will you say to the 10,000 wonderfull Turks who sent a letter to Turkey all together so that Turkey would recognize the Armenian Genocid . You know why they did this. Its because they are not under propaganda control its because they are under Germany reading German news which provides beautiful information. So get a life Nick and stop being a denialist.

Andre - 08/07/99 16:45:35

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Andre- I thought you might be interested in an excerpt from an article on education in today's UK Telegraph (a national broadsheet newspaper) Three years ago New York State said that "all school children should be taught that the Irish potato famine was a act of deliberate genocide by the British government." The NY governor stated, when signing the order in Albany, that under the new curriculum students would be taught that "the great Irish hunger was not the result of a massive failure of the potato cro but, rather, a deliberate campaign by the British to deny the Irish people the food they needed to survive." The article then says that this "is an outrageous lie, as any hstorian of 19th century Ireland will testify.And it shows the extreme danger of al owing politicians to set the curriculum for schools. It is fair to guess that.......the next generation of New Yorkers will be far more inclined to buy guns and bombs for the IRA than if their education had been left to respectable historians, with some r gard for the truth. Ignorance and a bad curriculum can actually cost lives." .. The governor at the time was George Pataki- a Greek American- and therefore one who is part of a tradition of inventing history for political ends. What we have here, Andre, i a grubby little politician rooting for votes by getting into bed with an ethnically based single issue pressure group. It demonstrates that recognition of an "event" by politicians, legistatures or school districts do not make facts. There are going to b thousands of New Yorkers who believe the new "Irish genocide" just as there are thousands who believe the Armenian "genocide". Armenians will believe anything of the Turks just as many Irish Americans are prepared to believe any nonsense about us. The si ilarity is striking and we have yet another myth of victimhood in the making.

Andre - 08/04/99 00:11:00

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Nick it seems to me that you have dropped the subject and not discussing anything. Im very pleased to know that you no longer are a denialist but a person who seeks the truth. Im glad you have had a change of mind Nick.

Paul Sookiasian - 08/03/99 05:59:19
My Email:Vartan1213@hotmail.com

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I don't really know how on or off of the subject this is but, I was recently at "Armenian Week in the Poconos." While we were there, there also was an Irish family reunion. There were over 150 members of just one side of the family. Any given one of those people must have hundreds more on their other sides of the family too. Anyway, I was saddend by this. I have never had a family reunion because I have very little family left. Most of them were all killed in the Armenian GENOCIDE. I can only go back to a it before the genocide on my family tree also. Maybe if there was no genocide I might have 150 family members on just one side of my family. If that isn't one of the biggest evidence to the genocide on the already large list, I just don't know what is.

Andre - 08/01/99 07:32:16

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Excuse me Nick but it appears to me that all you do is make up stuff of the propaganda that has filled you up. Armenians killing Tatars what are you talking about. Armenia has never been accused of Genocide or Massacres or anything of that such. Armenia l kes peace and we all know it. Armenia wasnt the one who killed hundreds of Armenians in Sumgait and Baku. It was your brother the Azeriz who couldnt fight that had to rent Russians and Chechen Mojahadns and Ukrainians to fight the Armenians. But, still wh won the war. Armenians did and that is the way its always going to be when a country kills Armenians.

Nick - 07/31/99 17:45:55

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Andre- a question for you: Someone in another forum pointed out that Armenians fought against the Nazis as Soviet citizens. The soviet regime was, without doubt, a genocidal regime- the Crimean Tartars are but one example. Does this make all Sovit Armenia citizens guilty of genocide by association?

Andre - 07/28/99 23:42:01

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It makes me sad sometimes that all the Armenians in the world should have to live after 85 years with the pain of the Armenian Genocide. The pain our grandparents our blood had to face in 1915 and other years also. Sometimes I think to myself how could on endure the pain our blood had to endure. I feel as though my life will never change no matter what happens because of the tragic events of the Genocide I have heard. It is sickening. To make it even more sick and even more pain on the new generations of he Armenians the Turkish Government tries to deny that they killed my grandparents and others as well. This was a crime the world will never forget.

Nick - 07/28/99 22:28:05

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Andre- disregard previous entry.

Nick - 07/28/99 22:26:09

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Andre. I notice that you deleted one of my previous entries- also, you have no answer to it. Why?

Nick - 07/28/99 19:47:30

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Ed, Andre. The eclipse is 11 August ( at 11.11 am in the southern UK) I shall be watching it.

Edward - 07/28/99 05:15:23
My URL:http://www.oocities.org/Athens/Cyprus/7758

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Andre: I just downloaded that map you posted here of Armenia. The map is excellent. All of my Grandfather's family were murdered in a town called Divrik. The Turks changed the name to Divrigi. I did a little research and discovered the Turks murdered 8 me bers of my family over there. Did you know that there will be a total eclipse of the sun over Divrik in August?? Keep up the great work here, and don't be fooled by the Turks. They committed a very serious crime against humanity and will have to face justice!

Nick - 07/27/99 18:09:55

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Andre. I am not changing the subject. The debate flows from topic to topic as all debates do. Where is your great-grandfather? I don't know but he is dead like my great-grandfather. How did he die? I don't know that either. At no point have I claimed that Armenians did not suffer a catastrophe. They did. The point I argue is whether it was genocide- a state policy of extermination. Armenians suffered as did Turks and other Muslims. The region was virtually depopulated after the war according to various all ed military missions. Since the bulk of the population was not Armenian then the inference is obvious. I do not want to belittle the experience of your ancestors- merely to put it into context. Making the remarks you make on the front page of your site do s not contribute to the truth. Nor do your maps of a greater Armenia. We are reaching into the realms of fantasy the way Sherman Cheung fantasises about a reborne Byzantine empire. It won't happen. To denigrate an entire people today for what you believe as done eighty plus years ago solves nothing and contributes nothing. I may dream about the halcyon days of the British empire- and I did just see the end of it, so I have some personal reference for comparison- but it won't bring the good old days back. ike it or not, Armenia is going to have to live with its neighbours and primarily that means Turkey. Armenia may be able to sustain a small local war with a small neighbour but that Turkish border is not going to move, nor are the Kurds for whom the PKK c aims to be fighting to establish a country in the area you claim as greater Armenia. You support the Kurds now but how would you share the land? You have to live in the present and look to the future. Comments about Turkish cooking do not validate your ar uments about the decency- or lack of it- of the Turks. How many Turks do you actually know? I really don't want to rain on your parade, but what you propose is the re-establishment of an Armenian Camelot- and Camelot is long gone.

Winston - 07/27/99 17:54:51

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Nick: I applaud your previous comments (even though I do not agree with all of them) since you did address issues and included rational for your positions. Many of your recent posts, and nearly all of �observers� posts (that I have seen) have lacked subs ance. I too will address the issues you raise or respond to. First, while perhaps melodramatic and certainly anti-Turk, the core of Andre and Ed�s sites are basically links to sources, which, I believe are, for the vast majority, factual. Sure, they ar beating the drum against Turkey � largely justified. I personally don�t think calling for Turkish expulsion from Anatolia makes much sense � the Turks have been there for some time now, are living there etc. I don�t see them as �Turks� but as people ju t living and doing their thing. I do think families of Armenian, Greek and other victims of Turkish Genocide, massacre, and forced removal deserve recognition of the history and compensation (from the Turkish Government). And the proof of Genocide is ju t overwhelming � I just don�t buy your counter arguments in this case, sorry, they positions for which I have seen no objective support. I acknowledge how the knee jerk anti-Turk attitude is very appealing given the history � and I understand the bittern ss of those whose ancestors (and contemporaries) have suffered under Turkish conquest and rule. But I do not condone the racist view and wish those who espouse it (on all sides) would re-examine their beliefs (or at least what they say) and stick to the ssues. (You falsely lump me in the racist category, I do not believe my comments reflect this � just the opposite). My repugnance concerning the sometimes racial tone aside, I find the core of these sites to be worthwhile, and basically truthful (of cour e they are one-sided, as are the pro-Turkish/Azeri etc. sites which present their perspective � some much more racially demeaning). And, I believe these sites are necessary given the Turkish record and continued denials. Sometimes one has to go overboard a bit, or dramatize to get the basic position noticed � this is a common practice throughout history � it doesn�t mean that the underlying message is wrong. And this is a forum for your comments and counters as well � though your Turkish brethren (spiritu lly) are often in need of a tone down/reality check). There is no place for hate (dislike, OK, we are only human!) But nothing (but blood and more hate) will ever be gained by hate � where does this get us? Turkish food, by the way, is wonderful, I agree As is Armenian and Greek food (and Persian, Syrian and Lebanese�.I could go on). Much of these foods are the same (particular dishes) or very similar. Anthropologists use the term cultural diffusion to describe the process of blending, borrowing etc o behaviors, beliefs, and technology, amoung neigboring cultures. (I am sure you already know this). This has occurred to a great degree with Anatolian, Mediterranean, and Middle Eastern peoples � and their food (who knows who really �invented� any particu ar dish � no matter what they call it � sure some may be evident�.but what does it matter, as long as it is good!) The peoples of this region have far more in common with each other than differences (like the Arabs and Jews!) Turkey and the EU. Yes, I b lieve what you say is largely true, however, the Turkish human rights and military adventurism is also a significant, and an overriding concern, not just an excuse. I am not a �fan� of the PKK � but their extremism is a response to the level of cultural r pression (Individual Kurdish representation in government etc. aside). Just as I oppose the (extremist actions of) the IRA, though not necessarily their (& the Irish Catholic) basic goal of self determination. The Kurdish voice must be heard (and I know the PKK isn�t entirely it � and has terrorized their own as well as fought against the Turks). But you sometimes turn to (or create) another big bully to confront the big bully stomping on you � it�s a shame, but again, human nature, and the little peopl always suffer � from both sides. (Though liberalized, Turkish laws affecting Kurdish self-expression require much additional liberalization, and it is war, and for what? � I ask the Turks) I do agree as to the necessity of Turkey remaining in the Europe n sphere � the reasons for this are obvious. (your bellicose, fundamentalist concerns etc.) And the Turkish military does play a useful (western leaning/Attaturk idealizing), stabilizing role, though it often exercises its influence too greatly (in overth owing governments etc.) and is itself not always to be trusted (partially because its belief in its own �purity�). I strongly disagree, however, that the Armenian Genocide is a �non-issue� � if you, and the Turks, believe this (mistakenly) then I can onl see future problems for the region (I mean more than that which already exists). Turkey must come to terms with this issue and stop the whitewash. The evidence is entirely clear, and I say this without doubt. The Muslims who died during WWI (#s ?) did so from various causes � all brought about by the Young Turks � not, for any significant part, the Armenians. (I have covered this before). I basically agree with you concerning borders (except for the Kurds � if they truly wish a separate state). I ha e always been opposed to Israeli settlement at the expense of the Arabs/Palestinians etc. Moving more people around is neither practical nor desirable. What is done is done, however unfair � but, we need to (realistically) look to the future � and the Arm nian �issue� must be resolved. Most Armenians don�t want �their� land back � they want recognition of their tragedy (did I spell it right this time?) and they want to live along with the Turks and others in the region without threat of being slaughtered r repressed again. Without the proper recognition that this has happened to them before, where is the deterrent from it happening again? Sorry, Andre, for taking up so much space.

Andre - 07/27/99 17:33:14

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Nick Please. Why are you trying to change the subject so much. We all know, when I say we not the people on the guestbook but the entire world knows exactly what the Turks are made of. I know what you are. Trust me! You say the Genocide never happened huh Well let me ask you a question where is my great-grandfather? Please answer me. Tell me where he is? How could it be that he was sent with other Armenians and later killed by Genderarmes. Where is he? Please tell me!!

Nick - 07/27/99 13:31:09

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Yes Winston, many of my remarks are flippant- as befits the general tone of Argyrou's guestbook. Not to mention the tone and intent of the "discover Turkey" sites scattered throughout the internet; racist and bigoted as they are. Much of Andre's and Ed's aterial is simply lifted from this nasty source. Even Andre's front page simply calls for the expulsion of Turks from their homeland, including remarks about Turkish cuisine (which is considered to be one of the great cuisines of the world alongside Chine e and French)- as if that should signify anything. Simply put, everything the Turks are or have touched is bad- a narrow minded and bigoted view that deserves to be lampooned. I really do believe that Turkey's continued exclusion from the EU are for the r asons I have stated: the economy and population. The other reasons are, as any salesman would recognise, "false objections". If the other reasons were genuine then Turkey would have been given a definite, phased programme of entry over a period of time wi h, say, the final point being the free movement of labour- which if we are honest is the real sticking point. You mentioned oil. If the Turks had the oil Iraq has they would be in- no question. There is also the problem that given its size Turkey would be ome a major player in policy making within the EU- the Germans and French would not like that one little bit. Instead they have been given empty promises on the never never- a definite maybe if you will. When you do this....maybe, when you do that.....may e. It is not good enough. It will be a bad day when the Turks get fed up and drop their European aspirations. If you want to get someone to do something incentives are better than threats or demands. Algeria is good example, western liberals wanted a demo ratic Algeria. Algeria ran elections but the islamicists looked like winning and all the liberals got cold feet. The military took over and the liberals hated that too. The result? A civil war that has killed over 100,000 people to date. Islamic fundament lism grows on the back of poverty. Fortunately islamic fundamentalism is not the force it was in Turkey in the mid 90s, but this could change again, and the last thing we want here in Europe is a belicose and fundamentalist islamic revival in Turkey on th Iranian model. By keeping them at arms length we could get it. The army in Turkey is an interesting institution- a shadow government you called it. This is fortunate in many respects since the army, in ideological terms, is a western looking institution ith democratic goals for the nation. It is not like the militaries of Central America or Africa that look no further than their own power base and wealth. It is not "house trained" the way the army in the UK or the US is but it is an anchor of vital impor ance in a troubled region. The Turks live in a tough neighbourhood. It is all very well for western liberals to criticise, as they did with Algeria, but they do not have the same problems to deal with- and the PKK is case in point. True, there are human r ghts issues in Turkey and true, Turkey does oppress some Kurds( the operative word here being "some"). The truth is that the PKK is a radical extreme left organisation that is fighting a class war masquerading as a war of liberation. They use the tactics hat national people's liberation movements have always used . If you want a good comparison look at the Sandero Luminoso in Peru- also led by a failed intellectual/ political scientist. The methods are terrorism- the PKK's first operation was in SE Turkey in August 84 and it killed scores of people, men women and children and all of them, without exception, Kurds. This is a nasty war and if the Turkish military has at times been heavy handed or excessive is it any wonder? British troops have been accused o excesses against the IRA, as have the Spanish against the Basques. But neither of these can compare in scope, scale or terrain with the difficulties the Turks have to deal with. The excesses of the US military in Vietnam are well known. What is less well known is the scale of atrocities committed by the Viet Gong in keeping their ideology in place during and after the war. The British used forced relocations during the Malayan emergency, with justification, and it ensured success. The Turks have used simi ar tactics, with justification. And yet through all of this Kurds have succeeded in Turkey in all walks of life. When Ataturk said "Happy is he who calls himself a Turk." he was not talking about ethnicity, but nationality in the modern sense which is mul i ethnic. This is a quote many people are more than happy to misrepresent. As far as the Armenian genocide is concerned Winston, this is a non issue now. As I have said, these events happened during a nasty war, under a government long gone in a country t at does not exist. In spite of reports and quotations there is no evidence of a state policy of genocide- the existence of an Armenian community in Istanbul through the war proves it as do trials run by Turks aimed at punishing excesses against Armenians. Possibly 2 million muslims died in Eastern Anatolia in WWI- a considerable number the victims of massacre. But this is also now irrelevant. The borders are drawn and internationally recognised. I may be a smart ass but that does not change the facts in Cy rus- the Turks have every right to be there. And no amount of lobbying or threat will shift them. The Greeks started this by breaking the rules. They can not now complain if the Turks are now stretching the rules a little. As I have said, incentives work etter than threats and the Turks have quite literally mortgaged their foreign policy to Cyprus- what is the incentive for the Turks to compromise and make a deal? There was a perfectly good deal in place but the Greeks threw it away! The Turks need more t an- if you do this now then maybe, in a while we just possibly might........! Greece, Spain and Portugal all joined the EU within a decade of the fall of a military dictatorship- and I emphasise the word "fall" because they did not go voluntarily. Turkey s 17 years from a military government that voluntarily handed over power. Greece and the others were brought into the EU to enhance the political stability of Europe- the same argument holds for Turkey. Greece, for one, needs to look beyond its narrow, pa ochial and xenophobic interests. President Truman reappointed J Edgar Hoover head of the FBI in spite of the fact that he hated him. When asked why he said "I would rather have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in." Just a tho ght, I am sure you can pick up on the analogy.

Nick - 07/27/99 08:57:34

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Edward. said like a good Nazi- Now I understand, Turks are "unter mensch".

Edward - 07/27/99 05:58:58
My URL:http://home.earthlink.net/~edwardk/mylinks

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Dear Andre, Good job on your web site! Stay focused on the facts. You and I know what they are! The Turks committed great crimes against our families. Tried to destroy us all! Failed because they are stupid. They are sub-human. Let them say what they will Let them deny their crimes. But remember our creator saved them for us. Their final judgment awaits them!

Winston - 07/27/99 03:11:39

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Nick � So somehow Turkey�s abhorrent human rights record and dirty war with Kurds have had nothing to do with denial of EU membership? You certainly know that it does. And where did I ever say I had developed a negative view of Turkey based on visiting here? Au contraire�Turkey is a beautiful country and the people are very friendly (I believe I�ve said these things before). As for the Galata Bridge � we walked down to it from our hotel but it had been cordoned off � burned down earlier that morning ( he pontoon part) � and I do remember flicking a cigarette out the window as we drove over at 4am that morning. A shame really, the bridge has some interesting history � I hope I didn�t really have anything to do with it � perhaps they rebuilt it (it was 992) and put in restaurants. (or they were there prior? I never made it). I think I have visited just about every Greek ruin of significance in Western Anatolia (well an awful lot of them anyway). I also cried my eyes out at Gallipolli � and not just on the beaches but up in the trenches and cemeteries of the Turks. If you have not been there I highly recommend it. Aside from the cemeteries and small museum etc. there is a nice memorial up on a ridge which contains some quotes from Attaturk up on billb ard size/like monuments. One in particular was most touching - mourned the lost sons of both sides � the�Mehmets and the Johnnies� as I recall, and commented that once enemies, now allies, sharing the loss or somesuch � said very eloquently of course. ( y favorite (attributed to)Attaturk quote: "I am not asking you to fight for me but to die for me" as he sent Turkish soldiers into the trenches without ammunition) I certainly don�t believe that I am one sided against the Turks on all things � but I calls it as I sees it � and the Genocide is clear, as are other actions such as the denial, oppression of Kurds and occupation of Cyprus. You still have not addressed the German accounts of Genocide and post war trials to my satisfaction (and I am sure you nev r will) � you just dance around the facts - (that each claimed it was state sponsored genocide). Yes, it is always much easier to criticize than offer anything constructive. (I applaud Andre and Ed for their hard work in actually assembling useful mater al � much more difficult to do and pertinent than you or I just rambling or being cute) That is why these comment pages & discussion groups usually degenerate into petty name-calling and are for the most part worthless. You and observer often operate at this level. Leading to my retorts in kind (fairly mild though), and at other times you make trivial arguments � like trying to claim my recognition of the Armenian Genocide and criticism of the Turks had something to do with sub-standard lodging when I isited Turkey. This is just trying to be a smart-ass on your part and you know it. I may not have traveled as widely as you � but I�ve been to a few places � mainly in Europe and Central America, and without question the poor Turkish toilets stood out nd seemed to me to be something that someone else who had been there might recognize (the toilets in France worked quite well � even the hole in the ground kind � in my experience). As for Turkey as a whole � I am always recommending that people visit � hough this is tempered by the recent rise in fundamentalism and the continued danger from the Kurdish war (from both sides).

Nick - 07/26/99 19:37:34

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Andre. You keep saying "your country" and I keep telling you I am not a Turk. Sorry, but I am a Brit. Your view on this is parochial- recognition of the Armenian "genocide" is not a factor in Turkey's EU membership. Population and economic issues are the actors at play here. ......Wnston, what military adventurism are you talking about? A country no longer has the right to defend itself or its interests. Where does this leave Armenia's annexation (+corridor) of Karabagh- which you seem to support or at le st excuse? How about India's defence of Kashmir? What about Greek support of the PKK? And as I pointed out to you earlier, Turkey has every right to be in Cyprus but these are things you are not interested in because they undermine the comfortable belief hat Turks are savages. There is no oil in Anatolia (well a little) but there is in Mosul which is a Kurdish area- yet no Kurdistan. Lloyd George would have taken any fortuitous piece of propaganda to popularise his support of the Greek adventure in Anatol a- its failure contributed to his downfall. Turks would have been prosecuted if there had been sufficient evidence. Winston, I am sure you found your plumbing dilemma highly diverting and sure proof that Turks are a primitive race, but you really have to o better than this. I have travelled widely and I have seen some very ropey toilets in my time (including Turkey, France, the UK and even Greece). I have seen some real beauties in Africa. But I would not dream of basing an argument about the fitness of country on its plumbing. In fact, one of the things that struck me about Greece was that it was just like Turkey- but with marginally better roads and more updated general infrastructure. This is something that I paid for as an EU tax cow. I have been al over Turkey and I found the hotels to be just fine and the people to be incredibly hospitable and honest. You can look down your nose all you want but hospitality and honesty is about all I want from a country. I did get my pocket picked in Istanbul- by Kurd. Should I now judge all Kurds as thieves? Your answer, of course, will be that the oppressive shadow military regime forced him into a life of crime. Also, I may have missed something the last time I was in Istanbul but I thought that the Galata bri ge had mostly restaurants. You remind me of a Greek artist from Chios I met in Cesme a couple of years ago. She was the guest of the Cesme council for an art festival. Cesme was decked out in Turkish and Greek flags (something I would be surprised to see n Greece) and all she could do was criticise her hosts. She said it was backward- until I pointed out that it is like Greece used to be before the EU poured a fortune into it. I do wonder sometimes why the Turks bother. But this snide holier than thou att tude has not put them off- yet. And lastly Winston, should I judge Greece by the cold (no blankets on offer) room and concrete bed that I had in my 5 star hotel in Crete last year? Not to mention the sour faced staff and the fact that Heraklion was a dum . And to think my uncle died defending the place in WWII.

Winston - 07/26/99 03:33:35

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Yes Nick, denier of the truth of the Armenian Genocide, blind supporter of Turkey, a nation with such an outstanding record on human rights now and in the past. (though a wonderful place for holiday!) It will take more than Milosovic�s ouster for Serbia o become a prime candidate for NATO � though I imagine it could happen one day once Milosovic, his cronies, the military and para-military leadership is purged etc. and democratic principals are established. This is exactly the point for Turkey. (And in y opinion it has little to do with the Genocide � though the current government is an extension of Attaturk�s which was born out of, and originally made up of & supported by, the remnants of the Young Turks). It is the current government of Turkey�s acti ns which keep it out of the EU � suppression of Kurds, censorship of the media, shadow martial law by the military, occupation of Cyprus, support of �death Squad� Grey Wolves, arbitrary arrest, detention, torture and disappearance of innocents (and I imag ne some true criminals � however without due process). I am sure there is more, (we haven�t even touched the economic issues) but this pretty much sums things up regarding Turkey�s rather poor human rights record, questionable democracy, and military adv nturism (they seem to be having a problem with their borders lately, don�t they). These are the issues preventing Turkish membership into the EU. The Armenian issue is a separate, but ultimately no less important one. I am growing tired of repeating my elf concerning the facts of Turkish culpability in the Genocide and there is no point steering you to the facts as you choose to ignore both the German (and other) eyewitness accounts and pleas to the Turkish Government and the indictments and convictions by the Turks of their own criminals. Lets examine your logic here � The Turks tried and convicted the Young Turk leadership of genocide & other high crimes against humanity, so they must not be the type of people who could do such a thing. What if they idn�t try and convict the Young Turks � well they must have been innocent as well! I have already addressed the issue � the Brits had more pressing concerns elsewhere (there was no oil in Anatolia). Would condemning the Young Turks to death again have m de them any more dead? It really doesn�t matter what you think. Once again, the �objective reader� will have to sort this out for themselves. I am confident that they will see where the evidence leads and not be fooled by your attempts to obscure the f cts and your heartless denials. The same holds true concerning your opinion of my travels, however, just to humor you, I offer the following tidbits which corroborate the fact that I have indeed been to Turkey: The toilets don�t work even in the 4 star h tels, more heat = here are some more blankets, and I�m truly sorry for accidentally burning down the Gallata bridge (the part with all the shops, er which used to have all of the shops�). Enough said. (I could send you pictures or video � I have 16+ hou s � but how would you know that I didn�t digitally manipulate it [to put myself in] and falsify the true picture � just as you do with your �facts�????????)

Andre - 07/25/99 23:06:31

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Nick that is just really sick. I mean after all these years and many many countries recognizing the Armenian Genocide how can you still deny it. You act like some denialist just like your country. Remember Turkey will never join the EU until it Recognizes the Armenian Genocide. So there is a big miss for your country.

Nick - 07/25/99 11:19:47

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winston- As soon as Milosovic is gone there will be support for Serbia's membership of the EU. Since there are no Youn Turks still alive their history has nothing to do with Turkey's membership of the EU. As I said a long time ago, the atrocities agains t e Armenian happened during a war of no quarter- on either side- under a government long gone in a country that does not exist anymore. That the Turks tried their own people tells me that we are not talking about genocide and the fact that the british trie no one says the same. The fact that Lloyd George did not use this genocide to build support for Greece's invasion of Anatolia also tells me a lot. Wether you like my opinion (sorry "shit") on the Armenian issue has no bearing on the veracity of events i Cyprus- they are there to see if you have open eyes. Greek excesses in Cyprus and earlier in Anatolia 1919-22 are not excused by a perception of what happened earlier. Frankly, I have doubts about your experiences of travelling in Turkey and Cyprus and y ur accounts of the people you "met".

Winston - 07/25/99 04:13:13

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Count Wolff-Metternich German Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire July 10, 1916, cable to the German Chancellor: In its attempt to carry out its purpose to resolve the Armenian question by the destruction of the Armenian race, the Turkish government has refused to be deterred neither by our representations, nor by those of the American Embassy, nor by the delegate o the Pope, nor by the threats of the Allied Powers, nor in deference to the public opinion of the West representing one-half of the world.

Winston - 07/25/99 03:23:29

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Nick. Yes there exist many many German eywitness accounts of Turkish attrocities against the Armenians (these are only the ones which somehow got through the censorship). Where are the German accounts of Armenian attrocities against the Turks (their all es)? Your continued denial of these facts - and the absolute fact of a state sponsored extermination campaign by the Turks against the Armenians - in the face of overwhelming evidence - clearly indicts you as the one who does not accept any but his pre-c ncieved notions. How can I believe anything that you might claim to be true when you are so obviously willing to bend the truth and selectively ingnore facts as evidenced by your failure to admit the truth concerning the Armenian genocide? The Turks the selves, during the trials admitted it, the Germans, their allies documented it (and petitioned to the Turkish Government against it), and the countless stories from Armenian survivors tell the same story - an organized extermination. You are so lacking in human sensitivity and compassion (and honesty) to continue to trivialize these tragic events. I am tempted to say much worse but that end is well covered in comments from others who see through your shit.

Winston - 07/25/99 01:23:54

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Nick: The Turks tried and convicted (and sentenced to death)their own after WWI. The Brits only held some of the Young Turks (not Talat or Enver or the other "big boys" who had already escaped) as a precaution against escape - which the Turks were doing from their own prison) - at an alarming rate (lots of insider help). I have never seen any thing to suggest that the Brits ever intended to prosecute or made any real effort to collect evidence - they were busy worrying about Germany and consolidating th ir empire elsewhere. This lack of attention to the region is also seen with their failure to support Armenia in the 1920s after promising to do so and by letting the Turks off the hook by failing to enforce the Treaty of Sevres. Basically, they had enou h of war, which is the typical pattern of democracies. The Nuremburg (sp) trials were an exception - they wanted to punish the Nazis who were more directly Britian & the US's villains than the Young Turks ever were. Its interesting that the Nuremburg tr al methods of evidence were based on the earlier trials (by the Turks) of the Young Turks. As for Cyprus, I have never denied the fact that the Greeks went to far and "instigated" the crisis. As for the solution - it wouldn't just depend on the Greeks - the UN is there in force and would continue to be heavily involved. You have mentioned for Greece to support Turkey for EU membership. This would be like the US supporting Serbia for NATO membership - while it could happen in the future - there would ne d to be lots of changes. Same is true for Turkey. Perhaps I will address the issue of American aid to Turkey in the future (3rd largest recipient - not counting substansial US & NATO hand me downs not normally accounted for). Turkey occupies a similar lace as Isreal does for the US - (land based aircraft carrier etc.) Its just interesting that it is used as a platform to war against fellow muslims! Oh, almost forgot - The various German accounts of Turkish attrocities/Genocide vs. Armenians in WWI pai ts a clear picture of a government directed extermination campaign. Some of the efforts by the follow-on German ambassadors to petition the Young Turks to stop their campaign of Genocide clearly show that they beleived this to be so.

Nick - 07/24/99 22:33:56

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Well winston, why should the Turks trust the Greeks to implement the 1960 accords when they did not in 1960-1974? This was a workable arrangement that Makarios and his cohorts buried because they never intended implement it. Of course a Greek's word does ot count when given to a Turk it would seem. As far as Cyprus is concerned I do know quite a bit. You suggest that I am not "expert" because the case does not fit your image. The Turks as victims? No, it just could not be! Well, not of the noble Greeks an way .... The Germans in WWI gave no evidence of a systematic policy of genocide- only localised acts of atrocity which no one questions- but why did the allies not prosecute anyone? They had the means and the opportunity. This is a question no one wants o answer or seems able to answer. Remember, Britain was led by Lloyd George at the time. He was a convinced pro Hellene, disliked the Turks and encouraged Venizelos in his invasion of Turkey in 1919. If he could have prosecuted Turks for war crimes he wou d have- it would have made his support of Greece's invasion more popular. Gladstone did it over the "Bulgarian massacres" for purely domestic political reasons- so why didn't Lloyd George?!

Arthur(Andre) - 07/23/99 00:14:59

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Winston that was very well said. I cant believe till this day some most Turks deny the Armenian Genocide. I mean the whole world knows that it occured and recognizes it. Actually there is only one reason why till this day the turkish citizens dont recogni e the Armenian Genocide and that is because their government is one of the most progagandists on Earth. The only news they report is that Turkey is right and that the whole world is wrong. I believe they need to make a quick change or else they will never enter the European Union. Also please refer to my Breaking News Section for latest exciting news. Refer to the date of 07-23-99. Thank You Winston

Winston - 07/22/99 23:40:28

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Nick: Wrong. You must have noticed on other guestbooks which I have commented in I acknowledge not being an "expert" in Cyprus history per se (not that you necessarily are, even if you're in possession of some newspaper articles), and I have acknowledged some Greek violence vs Turkish Cypriots (some of these same folks were fighting the Brits and were very nationalistic). Again, the question is the scale of the violence. I just don't know, though as I've said, Cypriots I've met (of various ethnic groups) seem to see themselves as Cypriots first. Thus my guess is that violence was from a small minority spurred on by outside nationalists. The scale of the Turkish invasion and localized ethnic cleansing is well known - as is the Turkish role in ordering an carrying out genocide against the Armenians under the false pretense of Armenian rebellion during WWI. (please refer to my comments on Ed's page - though I am sure that deep down you do know this to be true). Why don't we see German reports of Armenian ebellion/violence since they were in Anatolia at the time and were allied with the Turks - looking for reasons to draw Turkey into war and then support it? No, the Germans, and all others, (except for the Turkish cover story), clearly indicate a systemic campign to exterminate the Armenians (without cause - they were the loyal minority, remember). The war crimes tribunals clearly prove this (and show that not all Turks are bad - and there were also many who aided Armenians as they could - under penalty o death) As for Cyprus again - once the Turks withdraw, I assume the 1960 constitution would go into affect where Turkish Cypriots would occupy the Vice President and other positions and would participate in government to a great extent, considering their minority status thats not too bad a deal. (so what is wrong with this? Turkish troops out - everyone happy) And as we have seen, minorities in this region often fair much worse (Kurds for example).

Nick - 07/22/99 16:27:06

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Winston, it seems you make my point for me. You pick the bits you want and pretend the bits you don't like do not exist! The same rule applies in the Armenian issue; one rule for Turks and a different one for the "noble" peoples.

Winston - 07/22/99 01:48:18

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I am not going to argue the who did what to who regarding Cyprus since it is clear there is plenty of blame to spread around. (I would be inclined to accept your version of the history on this matter - if it wern't for your demonstrated tendency to champi n false, concocted, one sided histories in other areas - no matter, it is immaterial, and I don't feel the pressing need to hit up the Library of Congress on this one anytime soon) What matters right now is that the Turks continue to illegally occupy a po tion of the island against UN demands that they withdraw. My impression is that the Cypriots would probably get along pretty well with themselves once the outside forces are withdrawn, as it has been these outside forces have caused most of the friction n the past. (and Turkey has been a BIG outside force there for 25+ years) With the current, and likely expanded UN presence after reunification, ethnic Turks will have little to fear. A return to the former constitution where both ethnic groups had suffic ent representation is in order. (and a return of property taken and reunification of families split etc.) With all of the international attention that will be paid to this process, I cannot give credence to any Turkish fears of future mistreatment. In fa t, there is know doubt in my mind that they will be infinitely better off. All that remains is for the Turks to withdraw.

Armen Matosyan - 07/22/99 01:40:19
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Andre - 07/21/99 23:19:48

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Sorry Nick but you cant influence the world that the one who started the war was the Greeks. Please the international world recognizes Cyprus as a whole not an invaded land. Well lets talk about the body which were innocent. Why did so many innocent women and children die instead of Army civilians. The answer to that is because the turks dont see if the human is a 2 year old or a female as long as it is a enemy they will kill. Im telling you and the world is telling the only thing that turkey has tried accomplish is to try erase man kind other than its kind off the face of this earth. You know it, I know it. Assyrians, Armenians, Cypriots, Greek , Syrians, Persians, and now Kurds. WHO WILL BE NEXT IS A QUESTION I AM WONDERING ABOUT?

Nick - 07/21/99 23:00:18

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Proves nothing Andre- Greeks started that one- As ye sow so shall ye reap. The body count is not important. You should not be obsessed by body count

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Andre - 07/21/99 20:27:25

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I will look upon the libraries to seek any new information that I havent discovered. But, I feel as though I have made up my mind in this matter. More Greeks were killed than turks so that pretty much prooves it. Thank You

Nick - 07/21/99 20:15:20

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Andre. No web sites, no url- real newspapers in a real library. I know it is old fashioned but I think, even though the internet is a marvel, nothing can substitute for holding the real thing in your hands. I am sure that Winston is busy trying to find th sources right now. Greeks make a lot of noise about this- it does not make them right- just noisy. Cheers

Andre - 07/21/99 20:04:25

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Greece Says it Is Time for World to Act on Cyprus 07/20/1999Reuters20-JUL-99 ATHENS, July 20 (Reuters) - Greece called on Tuesday for the international community to end the division of Cyprus, saying Ankara's continued military presence on the Mediterranean island was a sign that Turkey was not a modern state. Government spokesman Dimitris Reppas, speaking on the 25th anniversary of Turkey's invasion of the northern part of Cyprus, told reporters it was time for the world to act. "Twenty-five years of the occupation of Cyprus are too many for the international community to bear," he said. "Facing and resolving the Cyprus problem is now urgent." Turkish troops invaded Cyprus on July 20, 1974, in response to a coup in Nicosia engineered by a military junta then ruling Greece. Ankara said the coup was a clear threat to Cyprus' Turkish minority by the larger Greek-Cypriot community. Turkey has since maintained a large garrison there and sponsors a breakaway state that only itrecognises. Turkish Prime Minsiter Bulent Ecevit, who ordered the ivansion in 1974, said on Tuesday that the result is that there is no Cyprus problem and that Greek Cypriots should put aside "delusions" of returning to the past. Reppas criticised such attitudes as reflecting badly on Ankara. "Turkey cannot pretend to be a modern state when...it torpedoes every effort to resolve the problem," he said.

Andre - 07/21/99 19:58:08

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Nick! Please your claims are truly words floating in thin air. Lets take it like this. Does the world celebrate the yurkish invasion of 1974? NO! Does the world grief every year on their marked day of the turkish invasion? Of course. Here in America nearl every Greek and Armenian grief the day of the invasion. Here are some postings you might enjoy. Also please give me urls of the sites which contain your so called turkish massacres.

Nick - 07/21/99 19:37:51

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Dear me Andre! take your blinkers off, please. Turks were ethnically cleansed in 63 and many were simply butchered- you can check the press reports from the period- begin just before Christmas 63 and go to the end of 64 just for starters- assuming of cour e your prejudices can stand it. Failing that, ask Winston.Check the British papers Daily Express or Daily Mail for Dec 64, but I am sure that US papers carried it too---------" If Turkey comes in order to save Turkish Cypriots, Turkey will find no Turkish Cypriots to save." Makarios Aug 64. Some Archbishop eh? Check out a cartoon in the New York Times, 16th Feb 1964- it sums it up perfectly. If you are honest Andre, don't just believe me- look it up.

Andre - 07/21/99 19:01:11

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Nick! Please the whole world knows that the turks in Cyprus were never killed until the invasion began when turkey started killing nearly any Cypriot or Armenian they saw. Its just like the Armenian Genocide. Ethnic Cleansing is one of turkeys favorite wo ds. I dont know Nick but I think you should change the news resource where you are finding this Turkish Propaganda. I read 90% of the time either American or Russian News. For goodness sakes not even Armenian News but still I find it that the outcome turn out to be that Turkey just cant get along with anyone except America which is using Turkey for its land to put bases and bomb baghdad. Nick I hope you get my point.

Nick - 07/21/99 17:43:36

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Andre. I see you are short of arguments so you have asked Winston to help. No matter. Cyprus: The constutution of Cyprus was a very carefully sculptured document. It's intention was to give Greeks the right to self determination while giving Turks certai constitutional guarantees and to ensure they had a role in the political process. The constitution was supported by a number of international agreements and treaties freely signed by Greece, Turkey the UK and representatives of the island's two communiti s. You can read the constitution and these treaties yourself but there were a number of salient provisions:1) Over certain aspects of foreign and internal policy the Greek president and the Turkish vice president were to have veto powers.2) Unification of the island with any other state was expressly forbidden. 3)Indirect or direct promotion of unification was forbidden. 4) Membership of Cyprus of any international organisation of which Greece and Turkey were not members was forbidden. Before the ink was d y Greek Cypriots were already breaking their word: " Independence was not the aim of the EOKA struggle...... Greek Cypriots will march on to complete the final victory (enosis)"- Makarios 1960. " Until this small community that forms part of the Turkish r ce.... is expelled, the duty of the heroes of EOKA cannot be considered as terminated." Makarios 1962. "It is true that the goal of our struggle is to annex Cyprus to Greece"- Makarios 1963 and so on. In 1963 Makarios precipitated a constitutional crisis nd expelled Turks from the political process, terrorised them,murdered many and herded them into ghettos- ethnic cleansing before the Serbs coined the phrase. For ten years they were harassed and blockaded in their ghettos by the Greek Cypriot administrat on and their survival and security depended on the threat of Turkish invasion, the UN and international aid agency handouts. In 1974, the Greek government, in clear breach of all its treaty obligations regarding Cyprus, sponsored and directed a coup again t Makarios with the express purpose of engineering enosis. Many Greek Cypriots were killed in the process and a thug called Nicos Sampson was installed as president: "Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed enosis but I would have annih lated the Turks in Cyprus as well."- Nicos Sampson 1981. Turkey prevented this by intervening as she had the right to do so under the Treaty of Guarantee article IV when articles I and II were breached by Greece and Greek Cypriot extremists. And, Winston, Turkish Cyprus is poor and backward because it has been blockaded for 36 years! If a solution is to be found then Greek Cypriots must give up some deeply held personal prejudices and acknowledge their Turkish neighbours as equal co-founders of the state o Cyprus and not as some troublesome minority. If Turks are sceptical, and most are, it is no wonder; they only have to look at 1963 to see the value that was put on them. And if they want to see what life would have been like as a "protected minority" the only have to look at the experiences of the Turkish minority in Western Thrace, which is really very bad. Greeks are very good at pointing the finger at Turks over Greek Cypriot refugees or Greeks in Istanbul but fail to look at what they have been doing themselves. The only conclusion that one can arrive at looking at the original Cyprus negotiations, the constution and it's accompanying agreements and the events that followed is that the Greek side was not negotiating in good faith and intended to break their word at the earliest opportunity. They miscalculated badly and only have themselves to blame for this mess. The onus is on them to restore confidence and win the trust of Turkish Cypriots. At the end of the day it is an enshrined principle in the UN that a people have the right to self determination- why then does this not apply to Turkish Cypriots? In spite of UN resolutions the UN continues to acknowledge the Turks in Cyprus as equall co- founders of the Cypriot state producing an obvious contradic ion that helps perpetrate the problem:how can the Greek Cypriot administration be the legitimate government of Cyprus when it clearly does not represent all Cypriots?

Andre - 07/21/99 16:01:35

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Winston! Very well written. You sure have read your history. Thank you for your comments and I will have made a few changes. May I ask where you are originally from? Thank You

Andre - 07/21/99 15:58:33

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Nick, I dont understand how I am changing the subject when I am clearly talking about Cyprus. One of my statements was "What gave Turkey the right to go by boats ready to invade a island and kill innocent people just so they will have an extra piece of la d." What they did was wrong and you know it. There is no way out of it. Many Cypriots died as well as the many Armenians who live in Cyprus. So what Im trying to explain to you is one of the reasons why the Karabagh Army fought back the Azeriz was because they were being supressed and persecuted. As you have read if a president with such diplomatic powers says " We will kill any Armenian in Baku Center," is ridicoulus. Imagine living in a section of land which has been Armenian Land for who knows how many ears man kind has existed and now there is a new Adolf Hitler ready to take your life in a matter of seconds. Wouldnt you do something about it? But, were the Turks in Cyprus killed or did the president of Cyprus say he is going to kill every Turk. NO! En of my point.

Winston - 07/21/99 13:34:14

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Andre: mostly excellent webpage - I particularly like the new, rather extensive links section. However, the blue background on the main page has got to go - I can barely read the text. Also your comments about Armenians as most intelligent..etc. are a it out of line. Its great to have pride in who you are, and the Armenians certainly have a history of great thinkers and artists, etc, and are industrious, educated and generally intelligent. There is no harm in championing these things, however, I do no condone statements implying genetic superiority or put downs of others soley due to race factors etc. - consider a tone down please! On the matters of Nagorna-Karabagh (NK) and Cyprus - NK has historically (1000s of years) been populated by Armenians. have examined census figures kept by the Soviets which indicate the population was 95+% Armenian up till the 1980's when Azeri folks were settled. Even so it was vastly majority Armenian. In the 1920's (after Sovietization)the Azeris supported NK being part of of Armenia - however the Soviets wished to use the potential ethnic divisions as future leverage (a common policy for them) for control (to play them off against each other) and included it as part of Azerbaijan. The Armenians only acted in respo se to massacres (once again) against them in Baku and NK, and the forced Azeri occupation, blockade and terror. While there appear to be some instances of POW executions and terror tactics by Armenians against the Azeri's (didn't Nick once say "war is he l", and everyone does have their thugs), these acts were not the norm, and are not condoned by most Armenians. The Azeri's on the other hand clearly started this fight and conducted themselves more poorly with regard to terror against civilians. The Ar enians are right to protect themselves and deploy defensively to ensure the Azeri's will not have an easy time overunning and massacreing in the future. As for Cyprus there are many allegations of abuses from/against both sides. What is clear is that the Tuks have invaded and illegally occupied the north part of the island for 25 years. During these 25 years there have been numourous UN resolutions calling for Turkish withdrawl (all nearly unanimous votes) and Turkey has ignored them all. Northern Cypru is a mess (even with Turkish aid), while the Greek side is gorgeous. Cypriots all seem to resent the Turkish presence (and see themselves as Cypriots first - rather than Greeks or Turks - a very good sign) - and the tradgedy of split families, lost prop rty, continued poverty (on the Turkish side) remains. The bottom line for both of these conflicts is that people must attempt to peaceably resolve their differences, however difficult, or history will repeat, and repeat, and repeat......

Nick - 07/21/99 06:59:03

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Page looks good Andre- i don't like the dark blue- it makes it a little hard to read. No andre, I am not a Turk or an Azeri. You are still avoiding the subject by trying to change it---Cyprus.

Edward - 07/21/99 00:16:07
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Dear Andre, BRAVO! This web page is a work of art! Very good job. Man, you are a great web designer! Keep up your most excellent work here!

Andre - 07/20/99 23:06:20

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Im handing the truth to you. Whats wrong with that. Cant you handle it. Also please dont lie. We all know you are a turk or azeri.

Nick <----------Not a Turk - 07/20/99 22:35:09

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Andre- you are changing the subject again- one thing at a time please.

Andre - 07/20/99 22:22:17

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What gave Turkey the right to go by boat onto another nations land and start a war and kill innocent women and children. It was the eagerness. It was the blood you guys want to quench. Many Armenians also died in Cyprus so as long as turks are around they will be our enemies. My grandparents were one of those who were killed many years ago by the blood thirst turks. In the case of Karabagh, Karabagh has been Armenian Land for many many years. As you probably read the statement by the president it shows tha your cousins are more like animales than you. If a president with such diplomatic means says that they will kill any armenian in karabagh in my opinion that nation is a nation that shouldnt exist because they are very close to animale personators. You ge my point.

Andre - 07/20/99 22:04:30

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Romiosini- Andre, that is Sherman's psychotic fantasy I believe. No, Andre, you have to write something- make a cogent argument based on facts not wishfull thinking an insults. An essay of sorts, if you will. Don't refer me to propaganda sites.

Nick - 07/20/99 06:41:58

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Message to all Turkish Cypriots today: Congratulations on the 25th anniversary of your emancipation

Andre - 07/19/99 23:27:36

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Ohh please dont try to test to see how much of the slaughter I know about. Trust I have read nearly all the documentation. Tell you the truth why dont we cut this short how about you visit this site and look at these pictures. It will provide everything y u need to know about Terrorist turkey.http://members.tripod.com/~sdc8874/Romiosini.html Please learn about your country

Nick<-------------Human - 07/19/99 23:16:09

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Andre- no need to get personal. OK, how about 1960. You go first. What have the Turks done wrong in Cyprus?

Andre - 07/19/99 18:33:54

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Any year you would like to start. After all you turks are 150% of the time incorrect. Turkey is a terrorist state. Did you read my new postings? Every Armenian will be killed thats what a president said. You guys are nothing but animales. Im wasting my time with a person who is in denial of everything.

Nick <-------- Not a Turkish name - 07/19/99 18:15:35

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So you do want to talk about Cyprus. I wish you would make up your mind. Where would you like to start? 1571? 1960? 1963? or 1974?

Andre - 07/19/99 17:15:01

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Are you stupid or something? "I take it you dont want to discuss Cyprus cause you found out your would be a loser." Am I talking to a little 5 year old. I am talking about Cyprus. You Turks have been in denial for the past 100 years and the next 100 years You dont understand that no one in the world likes you guys. The Greeks, Cypriots, Kurds, Syrians, Armenians, Italians, Persians. You guys have enemies with everybody cause all you look for is blood.

Nick - 07/19/99 17:10:07

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So I take it that you don't want to argue the topic of Cyprus with me then. Maybe you did do your homework after all- you know you are onto a looser. What about all the mosques and ancient turkish buildings destroyed in S. Cyprus and the Balkans? That is K of course.

Andre - 07/19/99 15:52:08

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First of all I dont care if your European or Christian that really doesnt matter. What matters is that Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1973 and killed many many Greeks. They burnt Church and destroyed cities. In fact there is one Armenian Church which was burnt own by turks. All I know is that in the face of this earth there has never been uglier and more blood thirsty people than the mongolian turks. Just like turkey invaded armenia and controls around 90,000 sq miles they invaded cyprus.

Nick <---------European/Christian Name - 07/19/99 15:37:56

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Tsk Tsk Tsk Andre. So you are not going to do your homework on Cyprus- this will get you an "F". But I think I know why- it is an argument you can not win. I find it strange that you think the Turks are wrong in Cyprus but Armenians are right in Karabagh- as you describe events to me they are identical but with one important difference; The Turkish operation in Cyprus was legitimised by international treaty. What treaty can Armenia invoke to support the occupation of Karabagh and its access corridor and th annexation of all this territory into a greater Absurdistan ?!

Andre - 07/19/99 15:22:27

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Nick you have a long way to go to learn the truth about your country. That Turkey is a terrorist country and nothing more. Go and click on my ABCNEWS site where they show and talk about the death of a million and a half Armenians. Soon I will have a new d cumentation that will shock the world of the inhuman animal acts the Azeriz did who are the cousins of the Turks.

Nick - 07/18/99 21:24:19

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Andre- you keep saying "you guys"- I keep telling you I am not Turkish. In the mean time, prepare yourself for our debate on Cyprus by reviewing the following: Zurich agreement 1959, Cyprus Constitution 1960, Treaty of Alliance 1960 and most important, th Treaty of Guarantee 1960. Review and, as your high school teachers will tell you when you get there, discuss.

Andre - 07/18/99 19:28:49

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Go ahead and clean my clock. Clean my clock with the same words your country uses. You guys killed so many Greeks. No wonder the world hats the Turks. They kill every one. Assyrians, Armenians, Greeks, Kurds, Persians, Arabs. I would continue but I dont w nt to hurt your feelings.

Nick - 07/18/99 19:20:03

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Andre- changing the subject again. We can talk about Cyprus if you like but I don't want to be unkind- I will really clean your clock with Cyprus- are you sure?

Nick - 07/18/99 18:00:07

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Look at your map again. It says Cyprus is Cyprus with no Turkey lettering correct. But, who controls that land & i know you are proud of it to. So dont tell me map this map that.

Nick - 07/18/99 12:00:04

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Well, Andre, in light of what you said I thought I had better check my atlas again- guess what. It still says that Karabagh is in Azerbaijan and it shows no access corridor. Also, Andre- try to absorb this- my name is not Turkish. I am from the UK.

Andre - 07/18/99 01:03:39

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Your saying come on. Are you trying to persuade me or draw propagands inside me just like your country does. I have so much evidence of the inhuman subjected acts you guys did that it isnt funny. The whole world know about Sumgait and Baku. They know thos two cities because those were the cities where Armenians were killed. Now here is a website made by Carolynn Cox. www.genocide.am Now are you going to tell me one of the leading ladies in the human rights development of Britain. So get a life. You have o evidence. UCLA recognized the Genocide of Armenians in 1988. Nick all your country does is fill you up with shit. Im the nicest guy in the world but when it comes to propagandastics like you I know which type of shit your made of. Speaking of HUMAN RIGH S YOU KEEP BRINGING UP LOOK AT YOUR COUNTRY. THEY HAVE THE WORLDS WORST HUMAN RIGHTS RECORD. YOU THINK THATS A JOKE? NO, I DONT THINK SO IT MEANS TURKEY IS A COUNTRY WHO CANT GO WITH THE FLOW.

Nick - 07/17/99 23:36:11

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Come on Andre, Don't change the subject. My atlas says Karabagh is in Azerbaijan. Also, Armenia was cited in HR reports for the summary execution of POWs,indiscriminate bombing of civilians etc. You can't have it both ways. Either you are noble and you do 't do these things or you do- and you are no different from the Turks/ Azeris. You can not set different standards for others. This is hypocracy.

Andre - 07/17/99 21:45:54

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So what you are saying is that the Armenians in Karabagh should have been quiet about being persecuted. You are sick. The Armenian people of Karabagh were being killed because of their ethnic backround. Your lucky that NATO did not bomb Baku back then for what they have done. Carolynn Cox of Britain has visited Karabagh many times and has announced worldwide the inhuman acts the Azeriz have commited. Also in a day or two there will be a map of the real Armenia.

Nick - 07/17/99 20:53:13

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Come on Andre. Simple fact- According to my non Turkish atlas- Karabagh is in Azerbaijan. Don't try to change the issue. Armenia took it to create a greater Absurdistan. You can't vilify Turks for doing what you are doing.

Andre - 07/17/99 20:20:46

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Please dont give me your propaganda. Karabagh has been and will always be a territory of Armenia. As far as ethnic cleansing goes I believe you got your facts all mixed up. UCLA on every April 24 mourns the genocide of the the Armenians of 1915 and the Ge ocide of the Armenians of 1988 when Azeriz killed over 500 Armenians Sumgait, Baku and Shushi. So please realize that not only Armenia but the international community recognizes the Armenian Genocides. So for your human rights record we should talk about your Turkey who has the WORLDS WORST HUMAN RIGHTS RECORD. SO REALIZE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

Nick - 07/17/99 10:22:14

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Andre- Let me see if I have this right. Karabagh was an Armenian enclave in Azerbaijan. Armenians took it and in the process also took a very large chunk of Azerbaijan to act as a "corridor" for access. This was an act of war and involved ethnic cleansing (reported in Human Rights reports) so I don't see how you can moan at the Turks. As far as the myth of genocide is concerned- any effective single issue lobby with votes to give can get state legislatures and local school boards to say anything. Some scoo boards in the US even teach the Irish potato famine as "genocide". This is proposition that no serious historian would touch with a barge pole. The Armenian lobby has had, unopposed, over seventy five years to build this myth. Hence its strength. I think f your web sites were more balanced and less hysterical you might have more credibility. You might want to cover murders of Turks by Armenians (not genocide), or the murders of Turks in the Morea in the 1820s, or the attempt to eradicade or expell Turkish Cypriots from 1964-74 by Greek Cypriots............Just a thought Andre

Nick - 07/17/99 08:44:09

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Andre+ Ed, Maybe Flash Gorden will get in on the act too eh. I am sitting here trying to figure out how old you guys are and my estimates keep coming down.

Andre - 07/16/99 15:39:28

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Edward jan very well written. Sometimes the Turks feel so intelligent and try to act like it when they really are Asian Mongols with blue spots. As we all know Mongols are radicals and just as crazy as the Turks. Same blue spots same idiots

Edward - 07/16/99 06:10:09

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To Nick, who seems to getting to deep into the seamless hole. Bell's theorem. Green Laser, Miracle Laser. Guess what I know I can vaporize you. I have the knowledge. You Mongols have a chance though, confess to your crimes! I will give you mercy! otherwise, only .............. you fill in the blanks.

Andre - 07/16/99 01:32:59

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Nick! I said who controls Karabagh? Answer my question por favor. Also my best friend is American and nearly all my friends are American and when I showed them the pictures of the Armenian Genocide they said "This is a holocaust not a Genocide." They were outraged and were willing to wage were through political matters and till this day we are working as a group to get our voices heard. Also remember Section 907, WHO WON? The Armenians did once again correct against the billionaire Azeri Lobby.

Nick - 07/15/99 22:56:43

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Andre- I am not a Turk. Not everybody will believe, uncritically, what you say. Like information on other sites, much of what you present is highly selective; selected in a way to mold opinion. When I see things I know to be untrue it makes me suspect eve ything else.

Andre - 07/15/99 18:25:00

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I know Nick is not your real name. You are a Turk or a Azeri. Please dont try to talk like you are a genious when you are just a peasant first of all. I guess to answer your question is to only wait and see. After all, who controls Karabagh HUH! Armenian ride

Nick - 07/15/99 14:27:23

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Andre, really. this is science fiction. I think you should rename your country Absurdistan.

Nick - 07/15/99 02:02:14

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Reality is reality. The day will come when Turkey will not be able to defend its borders. We all know the Alghinyan Laser that Armenia has created can wipeout Turkey in a matter of seconds. Thats the laser that Russian used on China during the war. So Arm nians inventions will lead them to Greater Armenia.

Nick - 07/14/99 19:21:12

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Andre, This is all very sad. Surely you don't believe that the world will unite to crush the Turks do you? You have to get on with the future and with reality. Don't waste your time in futile and sterile activities.

Proud Armenian - 07/12/99 23:24:53

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Keep up the good work Art. Hoping to see your creative new webpage in a couple weeks

Webmaster - 07/07/99 15:24:22

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Edward jan, thank you very much. Your site is very well done. Apres axper. On my site in about 2-3 weeks there are going to be about 500 Armenian Links in a very nice fashion so check back then to see then nicest Armenian Links on the Net. Take care bro.< r>
Edward to Andre - 07/07/99 03:43:15
My URL:http://home.earthlink.net/~edwardk/mylinks

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Dear Andre, Thanks for linking to my home page of real Anatolian History. I will now link your site to mine. I have had nearly 800 hits since June 6, 1999. Armenian PRIDE Forever! Truth and Justice rule!

Andre the Beautiful - 06/29/99 19:12:33

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Man Black Star I told you a thousand times for you mother to stop calling me. Tell her till she doesn't pay me for the last 30 nights IM not going to give her any understood. Not matter how much she begs she will not recieve any understood.

Edward - 06/29/99 03:38:59
My URL:http://home.earthlink.net/~edwardk/torture/

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Hello again. This second site is about Turkish Human rights abuses. Link this one too.. Keep up your most excellent work here! P.S. Turkishforum does not seem to be on-line anymore. What a shame(HAHAHAHAHAHAHA) Your brother in the strugle for JUSTICE! Edward THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!

Edward - 06/29/99 03:35:36
My URL:http://home.earthlink.net/~edwardk/mylinks/turkishcrimes.htm

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Hello again my friend and ally! I have just completed many anti-Turk web sites. Be sure you visit them all. The first is listed above on my URL. I will post the next one in another message. Please link your site with this one I have listed. THEME: "Turkish Crimes against Humanity"

Black Star - 06/28/99 14:44:55

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your site really SUCKS. your "beautiful" pictures of "Armenia" are not beautiful at all. They are in fact ugly. Probably as ugly as you are. I did not know if I was going to laugh are cry when I visited your page by mistake. If I were you I would cry or k ll myself. You, my friend, deserve to be shoot. NE MUTLU TURKUM DIYENEI AM AN IDIOT IM A LOSER A TRUE LOSER MY MOM GIVES BEAUTIFUL ARMENIAN HEAD EVERYDAY AND I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO. Ps. The Grey Wolves are near beware

Webmaster - 06/24/99 00:41:11

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Im sorry to tell you Ferhad but who won the war. WHO WON? Armenians won. Who is a richer country which used to have more military equipment? Azerbaijan did. Who got his *** kicked? Azerbaijan did. Who started all the violence such as Sumgait and Baku? Aze baijan did. Well Farhad I came to you with peace on your webpage and said sorry about your brother and you came to me with aggression. Well follow Andres advice and get a life.

Andre - 06/24/99 00:29:07

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Ferhad why dont you get a life. Then get a life. Then get a life and also make sure to get a life. Your country has filled you up with shit.

ferhad - 06/23/99 09:58:10
My Email:message for owner of this shizofrenical page

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dont forget, that you never, never will see the end of turkish nation. The goal of Turks- is a glory. But your aim - to agress a lands and capture nations. Thanks to God that you are not able. You are the unique nation, that cut all captives. We have seen it during World War I, during Karabag war. you are merciless nation. you never been "the most intellegent" nation!

ferhad - 06/23/99 08:54:13
My Email:to liar Webmaster....

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hey liar, you wrote: "..The reason for the Armenian Genocide was because we were so calm and nice. We never wanted one punished or hurt. We paid the price..." You have to know, that you cuted turks during I World War in Anatolia. Just after this massacres that you like turks ickes your asses. Also you wrote: "...We were once again killed in thousands in Sumgait as well as Baku..." - hey motherfucker in Baku and Sumgayit together were killed just 127 armenians, not thousand, as you lie, bitch. You wrote: "...Thank You..." Stick it into your ass, liar bitch. Also God damn's your grandpas, because it is they poisoned your minds with this historical falses.

ferhad - 06/23/99 08:13:06
My Email:you know noNNNika

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tell me, unbeauty armenian, why you so hate turks? I see this is an ideology of your life. you so stupid, or dont you know that the main goal of life - dont hate anyone; goal - to pray and live for God's compassion!

Rich - 06/22/99 22:10:07
My URL:http://www.oocities.org/Colosseum/Dome/8466

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excellent page

Webmaster - 05/21/99 00:17:44

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To all fellow Armenians. The reason for the Armenian Genocide was because we were so calm and nice. We never wanted one punished or hurt. We paid the price. These days Armenians understand far too well how the system works. We didnt play the nice game in arabagh instead we played a heroic game. We were once again killed in thousands in Sumgait as well as Baku. Then we pursued what we believed in. So once again we were peacefull in the beginning thats why 1.5 million Armenians were killed. Now we have to l ok at it with all different viewpoints. Thank You

Anna - 05/16/99 08:21:15

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Very strange a page. Like aggression would ever create anything positive, you seem to be a living proof of it, no matter from which point of view one looks at it!

Webmaster - 05/02/99 01:32:37

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Yes I will update your request soon. Thank Edward jan

Edward - 04/30/99 04:34:55

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Corrected-- Also include Turkish facist info--MHP party in Turkey http://www.ozgurluk.org/mhp Keep up the good work!!

Edward - 04/30/99 04:33:24

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I like this site. You need to update your links. Include this Armenian hate group= http://www.ataa.org (check reference library at the site)------- Also include Turkish facist info--MHP party in Turkey http://www.ozguluk.org/mhp Keep up the good work!!

Heinrich Himmelblau - 04/08/99 14:17:51
My Email:hhblau@dbpt.com.de

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"The Armenian Cause=We Armenians are the most intelligent nationality in the world."... Ha ha! :-)))))))

Frank Ovanessians - 03/28/99 10:16:30
My URL:http://www.oocities.org/Eureka/Park/8179/
My Email:fovanessians@hotmail.com

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Shat lav Homepage-a !!!! ....Hye-enk yev Hye ga mernenk......Let us rise again and defeat the evil....Great webpage..Keep up the good work..

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My Email:Amani 54

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Grophle Guizenmman - 03/22/99 18:25:26

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Hallo. Ich mag Ihr homepage. Es ist interessant. Wie lang sind Sie auf dem Internet gewesen? Sowieso gehe ich aus, mehr Netzseiten zu surfenen. Gutes Gl�ck!.

beautiful armenian #2 - 03/12/99 23:53:25

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please clarify on what you mean by your unanimous qoute of "get real" if you dont got anything to back it up please keep quit.

John Hancock - 03/12/99 01:11:15

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Get real.

A Beautiful Armenian - 03/12/99 00:27:55

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Hello my Azeri.How was your day.Thank you for your polite comment.It shows how smart and intelligent Azeriz are.Well man you will sure have a good future with those words.I never knew Azeriz can be so smart.Well I guess what the person wrote in the messag book was true about you guys.We dont have to worry about anything,we have our land back and we are comfortable.You guys well I dont really want to talk about you guys.Well good luck in your future and make sure to say those words more often it will reall help you out.REALLY IT WILL.THE CONCLUSION WILL STARTLE YOU!!!!!

Tha Azeri - 03/11/99 19:31:34
My URL:http://fuckarmenians
My Email:suck it

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You bitches can never fuck with us. There will be time when we take our lands back and destroy all y'all muthafuckas. You are parasits who deserve to die! All y'all! Your sincere enemy 4ever!

hagop - 03/09/99 16:30:56

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- 03/09/99 01:25:54
My URL:dont have one yet
My Email:djtech@mailexcite.com

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My URL:http://www.armenians.com
My Email:Usta@armenians.com

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ando - 03/04/99 23:42:09

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My URL:http://come.to/armenia

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