Kit Withers' GENEALOGY Home Page

Kit Withers' GENEALOGY Home Page

 http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/genealogy.html
Last updated 10.10.2008



Email me at kitw"att"slingshot.co.nz
 (I write a"att"b for a@b to foil spammers.) Or contact via
101 Allington Road, Karori, Wellington 6012, New Zealand  phone +64 4 476 9554 

The size of the files below in mgb (megabytes) is usually out of date.
 My main family trees are for descendants of the following families.

AMOR of Wiltsire at http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/amor/amor.html

BAILEY of Bishops Cannings, Wilts at http://www.oocities.org/keeto111/bailey/bailey.html

BEDFORD OF PORTSMOUTH, HAMPSHIRE http://www.oocities.org/kit_withers/bedford/bedford.html

CHILTON of Whitchurch, Somerset c1717-1788;
http://www.oocities.org/kitwnz/chilton/chilton.html


CHOULES (Ramsbury,Wiltshire 1738-72; .2 mgb), http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/choules/choules.html

CLAY at http://www.oocities.org/kitwnz/clay/clay.html (Kidderminster,Worcester 1752, Kent 1800; .2 mgb)

CLEVERLEY CLUES FOR WILTSHIRE: c1636-present at http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/cleverly/cleverly.html (Kidderminster,Worcester 1752, Kent 1800; .2 mgb)

DEACON -also ANTRAM & BEDFORD (Portsmouth,Hampshire 1691-present; 0.1 mgb),

COLSTON families of Bristol & Somerset; formerly 14. of russell.html below,

DEANS - a branch of WHITSON (Scotland to Canada,NZ,US 1827 to present),

DERRICK (Somerset 1774; .1 mgb at http://www.oocities.org/kitwnz/derrick/derrick.html),

GRIFFITHS (Whitstable, Kent 1752; 45 kb at http://www.oocities.org/kitwnz/griffiths/griffiths.html),

HALL at http://www.oocities.org/kitpaku/hall/hall.html (Upperthorpe,Sheffield,Yorkshire c1800; .1 mgb),

HARDWICK (Somerset 1733-1851) http://www.oocities.org/kitwnz/hardwick/hardwick.html .2 mgb
and
WADE (Somerset 1726-1746)

HARFORD at http://www.oocities.org/kitwnz/harford/harford.html (Faversham,Kent 1834-c1900; 0.1 mgb)

HILLIER of Bishops Cannings, Wilts at http://www.oocities.org/keeto111/hillier/hillier.html

HOPKINS at http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/hopkins/hopkins.html (Lambourn, Berkshire c1650-1813; .1 mgb);

IDDENDEN at http://www.oocities.org/kitwnz/iddenden/iddenden.html (Whitstable, Kent c1684 - present; .2 mgb),

JUDSON (Portsmouth,Hampshire 1670-1794), is at http://www.oocities.org/kit_withers/judson/judson.html

KING (Bishops Cannings,Wiltshire 1500-1900; .1 mgb http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/king/king.html

LAWSON at http://www.oocities.org/kitwnz/lawson/lawson.html (Whitstable,Kent c1728 - present ; .1 mgb)

LIDDIARD at http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/liddiard/liddiard.html (Aldbourne,Wiltshire c1620-present; 0.4 mgb)
with a much briefer 8 generation version at LIDDIARD - a brief version (Aldbourne,Wiltshire c1620-present; c90 kbytes)

MALONE (Rushey Greene, Kent & New Zealand; 35 kbytes)

MARSH at http://www.oocities.org/kitwnz/marsh/marsh.html (Harbledown, Kent 1708-1773; .1 mgb)

NASH (Bishops Cannings,Wiltshire 1502-1867; .1 mgb) http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/nash/nash.html

NEWBOLD at http://www.oocities.org/kitpaku/newbold/newbold.html of East Drayton, Notts. 1776-1835; .1 mgb. This page also contains BYRON of East Drayton, Notts. 1664-1842.

NEWTON at http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/newton/newton.html (Pangbourne, Oxfordshire 1807-1870),(23 kbytes)
br> PALMER at http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/palmer/palmer.html (East Garston, Berkshire 1709-1839),
PALMER (Eastbury, Berkshire 1755-1812) (20 kbytes);

PASLEY at http://www.oocities.org/kitpaku/pasley/pasley.html (London, Sheffield & Nottinghamshire 1800-present; 25 kbytes);

PETTET at http://www.oocities.org/kit_withers/pettet/pettet.html (Deal & Folkestone,Kent 1632-present; 0.2 mgbytes);

This includes our CLAYTON, CUMER, SALTER, TREVILLION families of Deal, Kent.

PYLE (Bishops Cannings, Wiltshire 1594; to Pennsylvania c1683; to present day; .3 mgbytes!) containing some famous Quakers http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/pyle/pyle.html

QUELCH at http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/quelch/quelch.html (Welford, Wickham, East Garston and Lambourn -all in Berkshire, 1680-1829; 24 kbytes),

RATHBONE at http://www.oocities.org/kitpaku/rathbone/rathbone.html (Cheshire & Sheffield 1809),

RUSSELL at http://www.oocities.org/kitwnz/russell/russell.html (Whitchurch, Somerset c1750; Bristol c1820; 0.1 mgb),

SHERGOLD of Bishops Cannings, Wilts at http://www.oocities.org/keeto111/shergold/shergold.html

SLOPER (Bishops Cannings, Wiltshire c1590-1900; .2 mgb), http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/sloper/sloper.html

SPANSWICK of Lambourne, Berkshire http://www.oocities.org/keeto111/spanswick/spanswick.html - a branch at 3846 Jane WITHERS of withersberks.html


STEELE 1757 Pennsylvania-1839 North Carolina, a branch of our PYLE family above http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/pyle/steele.html



STROUD This contains the families
DOBLE (Wiltshire? 1701-1717), and
STROUD (Aldbourne and Baydon, Wiltshire 1743-1791), .3 mgb http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/stroud/stroud.html


TALMAGE (Ramsbury,Wiltshire 1840-1875; Hungerford,Berkshire 1862-84; Utah, USA 1877-present 30 kbytes),http://www.oocities.org/kitwnz/talmage/talmage.html

TARRANT at http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/tarrant/tarrant.html (Bromham, Wiltshire c1800-1880, .1 mgbytes),
TUBB at http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/tubb/tubb.html (Baydon, Wiltshire 1814-c1882; 20 kbytes),
WHITSON at http://www.oocities.org/kit_withers/whitson/whitson.html (Scotland 1780-1850; .3 mgbytes),

WAIT of Somerset
http://www.oocities.org/kitwnz/wait/wait.html


WAYLEN of Devizes, Wiltshire
http://www.oocities.org/keeto111/waylen/waylen.html


WITHERS OF WILTSHIRE (Bishops Cannings, Wiltshire c1545-1900; .1 mgb) containing some famous QUAKERS. http://www.oocities.org/keeto111/withers/withers.html
This has a number of branches:
WITHERS OF BERKSHIRE AND HAMPSHIRE (1666-present; .1 mgb) at http://www.oocities.org/keeto111/withers/withersberks.html
withersus2.html DESCENDANTS OF THOMAS WITHERS (1663 Bishops Cannings,Wiltshire-1720 Chester co, Pennsylvania; .2 mgb) at http://www.oocities.org/keeto111/withers/withersus2.html
at http://www.oocities.org/keeto111/withers/hughes.html giving HUGHES descendants of Mary WITHERS (c1643 Chester Co-d1750) who m 1713 at Chichester Meeting House, Chester Co.,PA sp-William HUGHS/HUGHES (1691 Chester Co,PA - 1746 Lower Chichester Twp, Ches/Del Co., PA) Soldier, farmer.

For the Australian and New Zealand branches of my WITHERS tree see

our Australian WITHERS at http://www.oocities.org/keeto111/withersoz/withersoz.html (1841-present; .2 mgbytes), and

our New Zealand WITHERS at http://www.oocities.org/keeto111/withersnz/withersnz.html (c1885- present; .1 mgbytes).

From All Cannings, 3m from our ancestral home Bishops Cannings, Wilts. is the family of Major Edward WITHERS (Wiltshire 1804 - present, New Zealand).
See also
other New Zealand WITHERS, (c1885-present; 35 kbytes)

and http://www.oocities.org/keeto111/withers/withersunrelated.txt for some notes on other WITHERS elsewhere in the world.
For example this contains the tree of
WITHERS (Thatcham, Berkshire 1797-present, Australia).



WOODLAND at Deal, Kent 1757-1881 with BUDD & PEPPER clues for Deal is at http://www.oocities.org/kit_withers/woodland/woodland.html ;

This includes our CLAYTON, CUMER, SALTER, TREVILLION, WOODLAND families of Deal, Kent.

A family that is connected to mine is

WOODROFFE, FISHLOCK, NICHOLAS/NICHOLLS, TILLY, VISHLAKE, WAITE, WILLIS (c1561 Bishops Cannings, Wiltshire-present; .1 mgb) http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/woodroffe/woodroffe.html


This is the crest of WHITSON of Parkhill, Scotland and of Sir Thomas WHITSON, Lord Provost of Edinburgh. This came from the Whitson homepage. Where did this move to? This has two mailing lists: a US list and a Scottish list. If you want to join the Scottish list, email this address:
SCOTTISH-WHITSON"att"rmgate.pop.indiana.edu

and in the body of the text type:
SUB SCOTTISH-WHITSON YOURNAME"att"YOURSERVER.COM

HOW DO I RELATE TO THESE FAMILIES?
 

The quick answer is to do a search on the name of interest to you in the
following list of these generations counting back from me: (F=father M=mother) 

GENERATION 0: I am  Q5252 in our NZ WITHERS above

GENERATION 1: M (My mother) Laurette RUSSELL is 1411 in RUSSELL above

GENERATION 2:
FM (My father's mother) Elizabeth WHITSON is 1153 in WHITSON above
MM (My mother's mother) Vera HALL is 47 in HALL above

GENERATION 3:
FFF Edward WITHERS 1845 Newbury,Berkshire is 3842 815 in WITHERS OF BERKSHIRE
 above & Q5 in OUR NZ WITHERS above
FFM Agnes Mary NEWTON is 4 in NEWTON above
FMM Fanny DEACON is 6422 in DEACON above
MFM Alice Olivia HARFORD is 12 in HARFORD above
MMM Laura Elizabeth RATHBONE is 644 in RATHBONE above

GENERATION 4:
FFFM Jemima TUBB is 2 in TUBB above
FFMM Emma DEAN 1813 Nuneham,Oxfordshire m 0 in NEWTON above
FMFM Elizabeth FENDER 1807 Haddington? m 11 in WHITSON above
FMMM Eliza Gittens PETTET is 1231 5117 in PETTET above
MFFM Ann DERRICK is 364 in DERRICK above
MFMM Sarah Ann CLAY is 86 in CLAY above
MMFM Betsy COOKE of Upperthorpe?,Sheffield m 0 in HALL above
MMMM Elizabeth PASLEY c1837 East Retford,Notts. is 41 in PASLEY above

GENERATION 5:
FFFFM Mary QUELCH 1765 Lambourn,Berks-1829 is 334 in QUELCH above
FFFMM Sarah Liddiard STROUD 1780 Baydon?,Wilts. is 35 in DOBLE above
FMFFM Mary SHIELS Scotland m 0?? in WHITSON above
FMFMM Elizabeth WILSON Scotland is mr in law to 11 in WHITSON above
FMMFM Sarah BEDFORD (1774 Portsmouth,Ham') m 64 in DEACON above
FMMMM Mary Ann WOODLAND (bp 1786 Deal, Kent) is 12 of 4.1 at PETTET above
MFFFM Mary BAWLEY/BAWLERS Bristol? m 0 in RUSSELL above
MFFMM Harriet BOWLER/BOWLES bc1813 Keynsham,Som. m 36 in DERRICK above
MFMMM Caroline LAWSON 1804-1890 Faversham,Kent is 21 in lawson above
MMMFM Mary WOLSTENCROFT c1786  Halton?,Cheshire m 6 in RATHBONE above
MMMMM Winifred NEWBOLD 1810 East Drayton,Notts. is 56 in NEWBOLD above

GENERATION 6:
FFFFFF Robert WITHERS 1696 Wroughton,Wilts. is 384 in WITHERS OF WILTS above
FFFFFM Mary HOPKINS 1718 Lambourn,Berkshire-1813 is 31 in HOPKINS above
FFFMMF Thomas STROUD 1746 Baydon,Wilts.  is 3 in DOBLE above
FFFMMM Mary CHOULES m1772 Baydon ,Wilts. is his wife
FMFFFM Agnes HOGG m 1755 at Prestonkirk m 0 in WHITSON above
FMFFMM Christian HENRY of Prestonkirk is mr-in-law to 1 in WHITSON above
FMMFFM Elizabeth JUDSON (1736 Portsmouth) m 1761 to 6 in DEACON above
FMMFMM Love WELSTED m Portsmouth 1756 is mr-in-law to 64 in DEACON above
FMMMFM Gittens TREVILLION bp 1741 Folkestone is 75 of 3.1 in PETTET above
FMMMMM Mary PEPPER (bp 1766 Deal) is wife of 1 of 4.1 in PETTET above
MFFMFM Elizabeth HARDWICK 1773 Tickenham,SOM is 26 of 5. in DERRICK above
MFMMMM Ann GRIFFITHS 1779 Seasalter?,Kent is wife of 2 in LAWSON above
MMMFFM Sarah DRINKWATER Runcorn?,Cheshire m 0 in RATHBONE above
MMMMMM Elizabeth SPIVEY bp 1768 Notts is wife of 5 in NEWBOLD above

GENERATION 7:
FFFFFFM Katharine KING 1666 Wroughton,Wilts. is 17 in KING above
FFFMMFM Sarah LIDDIARD -1760 Aldbourne?,Wiltshire is 281 in LIDDIARD above
FMFFFFM ?Elizabeth WATT Scotland possible mr of 0 in WHITSON above
FMFFFMM ?Elizabeth CUMMINS Haddington,Scotland mr-in-law? of 0 in WHITSON
FMMFMMM ?Katherine WESTON widow m at Portsmouth is in PETTET above
FMMMFFM Mary CLAYTON (bp 24.12.1732 Deal,Kent) is 7 of 2.1 in PETTET above
FMMMFMM Elizabeth GITTENS m 1729 is wife of 7 of 3.1 in PETTET above
FMMMMFM Elizabeth BUDD m 1757 at Deal 0 of 4.1 of PETTET above
MFFMFFF Mary HOLLISTER m 1770 Bristol to 0 in DERRICK above
MFFMFMF Ann WADE 1740 Portbury,Somerset m 2 of 5. in DERRICK above
MFMMMFM Elizabeth MARSH 1752 Harbledown,Kent is 29 in MARSH above
MFMMMMM Caroline IDDENDEN 1754 Seasalter-1832 is 4532 in IDDENDEN above

GENERATION 8:
FFFFFFFM Jane TARRANT 1631 Bishops Cannings,Wilts. is 1 in TARRANT above
FFFFMFMF Ann CLARK Newbury,Berkshire is wife of 0 in QUELCH above
FM3F3M Mary SALTER m 1722 at Deal,Kent is wife of 1231 in PETTET above
FM3F2M2 Mary CUMER m 1714 at Deal is wife of 0 of 2.1 in  PETTET above
MFFMFMMF Susanna BUDDING d1773,Portbury wife of 0 in 5. in DERRICK above
MFMMMMMM Elizabeth PHOSIER/PHOSSER/FOSSER is wife of 453 in IDDENDEN above

GENERATION 9:
F8M ie FFFFFFFFM Mary SLOPER -1678 Devizes. is 2111 211 in SLOPER above
F7M2 Joane SLOPER 1607 Bishops Cannings is 2111 213 in SLOPER above
FM3F4M Dorothy SOMES is wife of 123 in PETTET above
MFM5FM Hannah MILES is wife of 45 in IDDENDEN above

GENERATION 10:
F9M Joane NASH bur 1631 Bishops Cannings?,Wilts. is 11 in NASH above
F8M2=F7M3 Mary BAILEY -1640 Wilts. is wife of 2111 21 in SLOPER above
FM3F5M Anne PARTRIDGE bur:1673 Coldred,Kent is wife of 12 in PETTET above
MFM3FMF2M Rose BACHELOR nee HEWETT? 1631-81 is wife of 0 in MARSH above
MFM5F2M Anne KNOWLER 1670 Swalecliff,Kent is wife of 4 in IDDENDEN above

Above is an (out of date) extract from http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/ancestors.html See there for more details on the surnames of my ancestors and where they lived.

My favourite ancestor is probably

3 THOMAS WITHERS (1596-1668).

He was put in gaol by Cromwell in 1656 after being apprehended by a constable at Market Lavington (probably for holding a religious meeting there), dragged into an ale-house where he was kept until the next morning, & then committed by a JP to the county gaol - where he stayed for a long time with his property confiscated. So much for religious tolerance under the Protectorate!
Later he was fined for refusing to take his hat off in court. "When his persecution was at its height he with other fellow sufferers sent a moving petition to Judge Wyndham & the Salisbury Justices. (Ref: QSGR ed. BH Cunninham p244) `Wee suppose' they pleaded `its not unknown how many & how great are ... the troubles of us who are called Quakers which ever since wee were a People have beene inflicted & are yett likely, if the Lord open not people's hearts, to be continued against us.' The petition draws attention to the injustices heaped upon them & speaks of `the sighes & teares which our long bondage have produced.' At the end comes an entreaty `Let not our words & desires returne in vaine but favour us so much as to answer our complainte which we hope & believe will not be forgotten in the records of heaven.' But the sighs & tears went on; the words returned in vain. Worn out with imprisonment & ill treatment Thomas died 4 years later when only 46.

Mind you Gandy says "In his earlier unregenerate days this Thomas seems to have been a pugnacious person, in trouble with the Manorial Court, disputing a right of way ..." He was fined "for stopping up a public footpath must pay 12 pence & make it good".

His wife and son 33 THOMAS WITHERS THE QUAKER (1624-1684)
were also well-known Quakers. His mother was buried in 1678 in the Quaker plot near the Gallows Ditch, Devizes. She left this son "40 sheep & my best brasse pan & my best brasse pot". `Like his father Thomas refused all compromise with conscience. Called on to swear his fealty to John Methuen now Lord of the Manor, he `Say'd these English words "He could not swear." Therefore he was not admitted to his land.' (Ref: Court Book for 1681.)

Then there was

122 Thomas SLOPER, MA, Vicar of Bishops Cannings in Wiltshire 1504-1537.

He loaned 40 pounds to King Henry 8, but did he ever get it back? I doubt it! He left his 3rd best woodwind to the poor people of the parish of Bishops Cannings: lucky them! Reminds me of

B3 John WITHERS the Elder

who died in 1637 leaving his "second best breaches" to his brother John Withers the Younger!

PLACE NAMES IN THE UNITED KINGDOM

Ever wonder where some obscure village is in the UK? To do a search for its UK Ordance Survey map & grid reference, you COULD look at their Gazetteer of Place Names. WHERE DID THIS MOVE TO??
OR, you can borrow from your local library the UK Ordnance motoring guide.

SOME FAMILIES IN TONGA & FIJI

I have also collected some Tongan family trees:
The HELU family is at http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/helu/helu.html

The SCHAAF/SAAFI family is at http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/schaaf/schaaf.html

The AISEA & some other Tongan families are at http://www.oocities.org/Heartland/Village/2123/tonga/aisea.html

Some families of Waya island, Yasawa group, Fiji are at http://www.oocities.org/keeto111/withersnz/wayafam.txt

RETURN to my OTHER INTERESTS.

RETURN to my home page.

Kit Withers
Do you want to mail me ?
ph 0064 4 934 4477 (home), fax 0064 4 569 0003

You can find which people with email are researching your surname using
THE ROOTS SURNAME LIST (RSL) .
Other sites you might like to visit are
http://www.worldgenweb.org/ - dividing the world into 11 regions for genealogy
Then there is
Cyndi's List, another genealogy website resource list ,
"Vicki's homepage" , - a directory of genealogical listservers, newsgroups and genealogical homepages,
"Genealogy resources on the internet" ,
and Quaker's Corner , if you have Quaker ancestors.
There are other sources but this is a start.

Who is documenting YOUR family history?


If you have material on your family you want to store as an ascii (text) file, the way I'd suggest is you have 4 files, one for each grandparent. This has the great advantage that it's easily updated & easily printed out. Start with the furthest back you can go, and create a descendancy chart from the initial couple. You'll need to decide on an order for their descendants. I label the initial couple as 0, their children as 1,2,3,..., and their children as 11,12,13,...,21,22,...,31,32,33,... Somewhere in the file you could have an index of placenames and an index for surnames.
You might like to search for your favourite surnames in the surname indices of my family trees. PRIVACY ISSUES The primary purpose of these family trees is to preserve the history of the families and to enable contact between members. So I include living members and a method of contact if I can. If for any reason you would like your contact details excluded please let me know.

 
We are of course all related - one gene pool. 600,000 years ago from a pool of 
only 3000 individuals, our species homo sapiens diverged from the Neanderthals.
Sadly, they died out 28,000 years ago. 6 million years ago, our ancestral 
species diverged from the chimps. And so on.

FREE SOFTWARE familysearch offers PAF www.myheritage.com/family-tree-builder looks like a great program.

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