From: Dean Crocker 
To: "Crocker Family discussion list" 
Subject: Re: My Line
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:02:40 -0800

Margaret,

Thanks for the file you sent in reply to my message giving my line.  I 
have enjoyed going over it. There are a couple of things that I want to 
point out.

1. The spouses of Anthony the Elder and Anthony II are transposed.  The 
first is Mary and the second is Ann.  This is documented in several works 
that I have including Boddie that I quoted in my file and Blanche Adams 
Chapman's "Wills and Administrations of Isle of Wight Co., Virginia from 
1647-1800.

2. I believe that you have Arthur's children confused with his 
grandchildren.  Arthur's Son Anthony had a son William Wilburn, my 
gggrandfather and a daughter Mary who married the Bownds.  The Mary 
Crocker and Bownds marriage is documented in papers establishing the 
eligibility of her gggrandaughter for DAR and Colonial Dames. 

Please accept nothing I write as absolute or final. I suppose this is 
why genealogy is so much fun.  If you think this Crocker family is tough 
you ought to see my Walker line. There are at least 400 Johns in this 
country over the last couple of centuries.

Happy rooting,

Dean

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From: Patrick Crocker 
To: "Crocker Family discussion list" 
Subject: My Line
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 05:13:22 -0800

Thomas Jefferson CROCKER  1820 - 1890 IL>IA>NE
Patrick Crocker         pcrocker@aone.com


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From: Gary Crocker 
To: "Crocker Family discussion list" 
Subject: Margarets Line
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:09:35 -0800

Thank you Margaret for posting your line to the group.

I'm not sure that everyone received the chart with all the indentations.
Any that didn't could have had a difficult time visually sorting the
generations, being left soley with the generation numbers.  

Dean, I think that may be why you have seen her chart as transposing Ann &
Mary.  The way I read it, Ann Francis was Anthony the Elder's first wife
and bore Anthony Jr.  Mary was his second wife and bore Robert, William,
Mary and Edward.  This is consistent with what I have in my records (for
which I vouch NOT for this time period.

Margaret, have you been able to examine any of the early Isle of Wight and
North Carolina Documents?  So far all I have seen are compilations that
site  some wills, probates, deeds etc., but few who have actually collected
copies of any of those early documents.

A project that I would like to see the group undertake:  Assemble a
catalogue of copies of documents that we have in our possession.  Another
aspect would be to assemble a list of documents none of us have ever seen,
but would like to get.  We could use the latter list to coordinate the
gathering of what we need.

With all these first hand documents, we could then look afresh at the data
and discuss the problems, hopefully reaching a consensus on an
interpretation.  (Even if that consensus is that too little information is
extant to trace some of us through that time period with any certainty.)

I for one will begin to assemble lists of what I have and what I understand
to be out there (from references in compilations like Boddie).  I will post
them to the group as I have anything to post.

I think we are ready to get some serious discussion going.

Thanks again Margaret for posting.

Gary Crocker  (VA > NC > SC > TN > AR > OK > TX > CA > OR > CA)


 


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From: Dean Crocker 
To: "Crocker Family discussion list" 
Subject: Re: Margarets Line
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:36:07 -0800

Gary,  

I still believe that unless we throw out Boddie all together we will have 
to see that it is Ann who is the spouse of Anthony Jr. As I paste the 
following from Boddie:


"The inventory of his estate was presented by Mary Crocker Dec. 9, 1693
(Id-329) (C. W. I-50) Children by 1st wife:

I. Anthony, m. Ann, dau. of John Francis. (C. M. -13) (w& D) B2-202). The
inventory of his estate was presented by Ann Crocker June 1696. (C. W.
I-52-53) (Id pp. 366, 377).  William Crocker whose will was probated Oct.
27. 1729, was probably his son. William's legatees were son, JOSEPH, to
whom he gave plantation where "I now live", dau. PATIENCE CROCKER, wife
MARY. Wits. Robert Crocker, Joseph Crocker. (C. W. II. p.-----)"

Margaret has Ann Frances as the spouse of Anthony the Elder with no 
mention of the second wife.

I am working on the earlier mentioned "Will and Administrations etc" at 
out Library and will help with the list of needed documents. I will also 
go back over to Paul Crocker's and see which of them he has.

Happy Rooting,

Dean
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From: PickLock@aol.com
To: "Crocker Family discussion list" 
Subject: Re: My Line
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 09:19:52 -0500 (EST)

Patrick,

Do you have a downloadable file of you Crocker line?

Pat Crocker, SC

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From: PickLock@aol.com
To: "Crocker Family discussion list" 
Subject: Re: My Line
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 09:34:30 -0500 (EST)

Does anyone have any information on:

Marlon Henry Crocker,** (g-father) b. 11/26/1903, d. 9/4/1985 (Gilroy, CA)
m. (1st sp)Lessie Emma Geddings, m (2nd sp) Rachal Delilia Wortman

Children:

Baby Crocker b. 11/13/1921 d. 11/13/1921
Matin Marlon Crocker (father) b. 2/29/1924
Aurelia Ovelia Crocker b. 11/7/1925
Wiley Leonard Crocker b. 7/14/1928  d. March, 1980 (Phenoix, AZ)

Pat Crocker, SC

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From: Patrick Crocker 
To: "Crocker Family discussion list" 
Subject: Re: My Line
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 23:20:59 -0800

Hi Pat,

Sorry I haven't responded earlier but I got a new computer about six weeks
ago and have been having all sorts of minor problems and hangups with it.
Starting to  get it all sorted out.  Now I just got a new scanner and need
to install it and  software and  figure out how to usee it.

That's something I really need to do, get all my  Crocker line in one file.
I'm using Family Origins (can't beat the price and it's fairly powerful) but
you can't save the reports to file or cut and paste.....they are in a
graphic form so can't be manipulated.

So,  one of these days I need to sit down and type it all out.  Just thought
of something...I should check into a different gen software paackage ( a
cheap one ---) just to do cut and paste from for that sort of stuff.



At 09:19 AM 3/22/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Patrick,
>
>Do you have a downloadable file of you Crocker line?
>
>Pat Crocker, SC
>
>
Patrick Crocker         pcrocker@aone.com


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From: Bmacliam@aol.com
To: "Crocker Family discussion list" 
Subject: CROCKER -- DEV (1800s) > ONT (now)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 20:34:31 -0500 (EST)

OK, here goes.  The first in my CROCKER line is John Crocker (b. ca
1816-1821), then George Kellaway Crocker (b 18 Jul 1844), Ralph Herbert
Crocker (b. 14 Mar 1878), Isabel Pauline Crocker - my grandmother 
(b. 20 Nov 1903).  We have managed to contact ALL descendants of George 
Kellaway Crocker -- about 4 dozen families.  That in itself must be an 
accomplishment.
 Although I haven't yet collected all the pertinent family info, we're 
in the process now.  We had a wonderful family reunion in St Thomas, 
Ontario last summer.  My parents have been out to British Columbia to 
visit with the BC branch of the family.  Anyway, here's what I've got 
(I stopped at my grandmothers generation):

1 John Crocker b. 11 May 1816-21 d. 19 Feb 1904
    m. Jane Kellaway b. ca 1819 d. 26 Oct 1892 
  2 John Crocker b. ca 1840 d. ca 1895 
  2 George Kellaway Crocker b. 18 Jul 1844 d. 19 Jan 1927
        m. 1 Sep 1868 Mary Elizabeth Newcombe b. 12 Jul 1848 d. 8 Feb 1938 
    3 Frederick George Crocker b. 15 Feb 1870 d. 21 Jun 1875 
    3 Abram Cook Crocker b. 15 Aug 1872 d. 6 Oct 1872 
    3 Jennifer (Jennie) May Crocker b. 1 Jun 1874 d. 12 Aug 1874 
    3 Ralph Herbert Crocker b. 14 Mar 1878 d. 13 Apr 1950
            m. 18 Jul 1902 Ethel Maude Kirby b. 27 Jun 1881 d. 29 Jun 1943 
            m. aft 1943 May
      4 Isabel Pauline Crocker b. 20 Nov 1903 d. 24 Apr 1980
                m. 19 Apr 1924 Russell Harold Wilson b. 22 Jan 1903 
                d. 4 Jul 1978 
                (14 descendants)
      4 George Kirby Crocker b. 25 Feb 1906 d. 31 Oct 1982
                m. Lillian Langs b. 29 May 1906 
                (11 descendants)
                m. Jean
      4 Gertrude Elizabeth (Betty) Crocker b. 1 Nov 1910 d. 6 Mar 1991
                never married
      4 Mary Jane Crocker b. 15 Jun 1914 d. 31 May 1987
                m. 14 Sep 1940 Henry Woodroffe (Tim) Wardle b. 28 Jul 1909 
      4 Dan Newcombe Crocker b. 3 Oct 1917 d. 27 Jul 1982
                m. 1 Aug 1939 Lena Phyllis Smith b. 9 Feb 1917 
                d. 17 Nov 1979

                (20 descendants)
      4 Ralph Frederick (Fred) Crocker b. 7 Jul 1921
                m. 18 Sep 1948 Johanna (Joyce) Proctor West 
                b. 25 Mar 1922 (9 descendants)
    3 Stanley John Crocker b. 20 May 1883 d. 13 Apr 1966
                m. 22 May 1912 Amy Bancroft Fraser b. 13 Jul 1884 
                d. 17 Dec 1963 
      4 Stanley Fraser Crocker b. 19 Sep 1913
                m. Sep 1939 Virginia Lee Root b. 1 Sep 1916 
                m. 15 Apr 1986 Muriel Thompson b. 31 Jul 1911 
                (11 descendants)
      4 John Kellaway Crocker b. 24 Sep 1915 d. 27 Jul 1980
                m. 29 Aug 1942 Illeen Margaret Harris b. 16 Jan 1910 
                d. 26 Feb 1996 
                (7 descendants)
      4 Charles Bancroft Crocker b. 14 Oct 1922 d. 18 Jul 1983
                m. 1 Aug 1951 Helen Jocelyn Pierce b. 26 Feb 1925 
                d. 15 Aug 1994 7 descendants)
      4 Mary Anna Newcombe Crocker b. 17 Mar 1925
                m. 8 Sep 1950 Bryce Hilton Fleming b. 25 Apr 1922 
                (4 descendants)

Here's a brief excerpt from George Kellaway Crocker's autobiography:

I was) born in Devonshire England on July 18th 1844.  Left with my
parents at two years of age for Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire and 
Yorkshire, staying about 2 years in each place, then going to Neath 
Wales, where we lived about 3 years.  This place was a short distance 
from Swansea.  We embarked from Liverpool for Canada on September 3rd 
1855 at the close of the Crimean War arriving in New York on October 
3rd, being just 30 days on the water, which was considered a very quick 
trip by sailing.  In fact most of the ships required from 6 to 10 weeks 
in those days.  From New York via the N.Y.C. to Buffalo over the first 
suspension bridge (which had just been completed) to Niagara Falls, 
Ontario.  From there to London via the newly completed Great Western Ry.  
We stayed in London about a month and then moved to Lyons Corners, where 
we spent the first winter, going to St Thomas on the first of April.  
The first London and Port Stanley Ry. was being built At that time. I 
remember seeing the results of the first serious accident on this road.  
They only had two locomotives, the Lyon and Lyoness.  They both came 
together, going in opposite directions at full speed, nearly at the top 
of the hill, north of Port Stanley.  Both  drivers were killed and both 
engines smashed beyond repair.  The Company had to get engines from the 
G.W.Ry. before they could run a train.  I have no doubt some of the old 
residents will remember the circumstances.  The late William Bowman, who 
was superintendent of the road at that time, was in the wreck and very 
badly hurt.

     I attended school where the Wellington St. School now stands.  It was 
a small red building of four rooms.  There were two men and two lady 
teachers.  The man were Mr. Bigg and Mr. Hutton.  This was the only school 
in the place with the exception of a small frame building which stood on 
the road opposite to where F.W. Griffin's east gate now is.

     At fifteen years of age I was apprenticed to learn the tanning and 
curry business for four years with Wm. Ligpsy at the tannery which was on 
the ground north of Talbot St. opposite the Just Wright Shoe Factory.  
After I left there, I started in business in a tannery with the late Geo. 
Newcombe at Yarmouth Centre where I put un about three years.  Selling 
out to my partner I moved back to town, purchasing the tannery known as 
the Kent Tannery, which I carried on for some time, until I was driven 
out by fire.  This was situated at the south end of what is now known as 
Crocker Avenue, facing Wellington St. 

After the fire, I did not do much for a couple of years.  Then I bought out
the leather business of M.T. Moore which I carried on for 23 years.  I was
ill and, advised by my physician, I wound my business up and sold out to
Leehan & Regan.
     
My Public Career.  I served one year on the Council Board 1871, at the
time of the Blue Ribbon Movement.  I also served on the Public Library 
Board for 21 years, being chairman for 16 years.  The Carnegie Building 
was erected in my time.  I was on the Board of Water Commissioners for 
29 years being chairman for 18 years.  I was also on the Alma College 
Board for 18 years.  I joined the Southern Loan Company Board in 1902 
and was appointed President on the death of Wm. Mickleborough in November 
1918.

Since I quit business in 1905, I have done considerable traveling.  My
first trip was the following year.

He then goes on to describe his trips to Europe (1906), Africa &
Mediterranean (1908), Mexico, US & South America (1909), East Asia and
Pacific (1910).

If anyone would like more info, can connect to this family, or can help with
info on the first John Crocker (a railroad contractor, per the St Thomas
library), I would love to hear from you.

Thank you, and good luck,
Brad Wilson
BMacLiam@aol.com

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From: Dean Crocker 
To: "Crocker Family discussion list" 
Subject: Thanks
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 07:40:13 -0800

Thanks, Brad, for that contribution to the Crocker Family Archives.  It 
seems that a great many of our roots go back to Devonshire, England 
though as yet we cannot make a connection.  I was amaised that there 
doesn't seem to be one name common in your line with mine.  Mine has 
Anthonys, Williams, and Arthurs, etc.  We will just have to go further in 
our searches to find the tie that must be there.

Keep up the good work,

Dean
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From: Eldriverd@aol.com
To: "Crocker Family discussion list" 
Subject: Re: CROCKER -- DEV (1800s) > ONT (now)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:32:05 -0500 (EST)

Hi

I think this might connect to ours..

Will keep in touchMy brother in law inherited an uncles research, but,
he can't find it

Great huh?

If I get it it might hold the key
I do know there were 3 brothers that came fromEngland]
There wasd a John connected somehow to railroad

Thanks

Doreen

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From: PickLock@aol.com
To: "Crocker Family discussion list" 
Subject: Re: My Line
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:03:04 -0500 (EST)

ok.  Hope you get the bugs worked out.  
Be well.

Pat

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From: Dean Crocker 
To: "Crocker Family discussion list" 
Subject: Bomb scare
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 13:22:11 -0700

Hello cousins,

I have been very busy of late and haven't had the time
that I would like to have to do my research.  I have 
received several new references that I have wanted to 
check out, thanks to Gary Crocker and others who have 
communicated privately with me.  So, on Thursday past 
I caught up with pressing chores and headed out to our
Local History Room at our library.  As I drove into the 
parking lot, a police lady greeted me with the news 
that I couldn't go in right then, giving no reason.  
I sat there as instructed a few minutes and watched 
policemen and dogs swarm all over the place.  I left 
to run a short errand and went back by about an hour 
later and there was still a lot of activity.  I learned 
by the evening news that there had been a package 
mistaken for a bomb.  It was simply several blocks of 
wood wired together with several turns of electric
wire.  I personally believe it was intended to be a scare.  
It does seem like almost anything can and will get in 
the way of our research.  Huh!

Dean
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From: PickLock@aol.com
To: "Crocker Family discussion list" 
Subject: Re: Bomb scare
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:17:55 -0400 (EDT)

Dean:

What has happened to everyone.  Haven't received a thing from anyone 
from the Crocker network.  Has everyone already gotten all their info.  
Their Crocker information has assisted me greatly in giving me leads, 
but unless I hear the results of their searches I come to a standstill.
I especially enjoyed the individuals posting the results of their family 
reasearches, as this he;ps me either inquire them concerning possible 
links, or eliminate that link. Please encourage the folks to continue 
to submit family files, etc. for others to follow up on for possible 
links.  Without them, I have no idea what their files contain that they 
may be willing to share.

Thanks

The Crocker In The Wood Pile,


Pat Crocker

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