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2/7/99- 6/22/99

<7 Feb 99  From KB Re: Diseased Gums>

sorry I'm late responding to your post about treatments for gum disease, but here goes. Once a day for my two FeLV kittens I am swabbing their gums with a solution that I made up with herbs and Vits. Once a day I am also using products the vet recommended. the solution I made is: add to 2oz sterilized water:  2 drops colloidal silver, 2 drops grapeseed extract, one capsule of CoQ10, 1/2 tsp liquid esther-c with bioflavinoids.  I use a q-tip and swab their gums with this once a day.

The vet prescribed a product called Maxigaurd which is like a watery gel and this is rubbed on the gums once a day. It contains deionized water, Zinc gluconate, Ascorbic acid, methylcellulose, taurine, methylparaben, propylparaben, The vet said this is very soothing and somewhat disinfectant.

We are also to use a toothpaste & rinse that has enzymes that help break  up and prevent the build up of plaque and tarter. Ideally we would be doing this once a day but I must admit it is only getting done every other day usually.

The maxigaurd is by prescription but the toothpaste and rinse we got from a local pet store. The brand we found is Dentalworks (solution for cats), and petrodex toothpaste.

We are also using this stuff on one of the older cats (FeLV-) but who has chronic halitosis and builds up tarter very quickly.

Some other suggestions I recieved for gum health were for adding to a mouth rinse propolis extract as well as cranesbill. These I haven't tried.  I think the most important thing is to use something that will help breakup tarter and something that will also be soothing and antimicrobial.



<19 Mar 99 From Marnie re: Teeth cleaning and GSE>

<<Another thing you could do is make up a grapefruit seed extract and water solution and dip a q-tip in and swab your kitty's gums. >>

Please be aware that there have been several reports of cats with badly burned mouths and tongues from Grapefruit seed extract and that if it is used it should be diluted quite a bit. Since you are mixing an oil (GSE available here is an essential oil) with water this is very hard to do as the oil will not break up enough; and you run the risk of GSE being deposited full strength in the cat's mouth.  Vodka would break the oil up better, or mix the GSE with olive oil would be the best solution. For myself, I do not deem this an acceptable risk and would use something else... raw honey (Manuka honey especially), as does garlic
have high antibiotic properties, Vit C dissolved in water...



<19 Mar 99 From Nancy Re: Teeth Cleaning>

Vitamin C is important for good gums. Garlic should help keep them from  getting infected too if you can sneak some in the food. Aloe vera and goldenseal are the two herbal treatments I can think of, but goldenseal would have to be put on as a tincture on a Q-tip or something. I think it tastes pretty nasty though. Homeopathic remedies worth taking a look at are Merc corr, Merc hydrargyrum and Kali phos.

Be well,
Nancy and the furkids

In a message dated 3/18/99 7:16:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,  mimiaa@ writes:
<<  I do gently brush her teeth and gums with a rubber finger  brush for cats and I use the Oxyfresh Pet Gel on it.  I should do it
more often, but I do forget.  Aloe Vera would probably help.  Does  anyone know of anything else? >>



<19 Mar 99 From Leah Re: Teeth Cleaning>

<< Homeopathic remedies worth taking a look at are  Merc corr, Merc hydrargyrum and Kali phos.>>

Specifically regarding the tartar - Fragaria "will help prevent excessive deposition of tartar" (quote from my veterinary MM and rep.) .  I only recently was made aware of this remedy for that on another list.



<25 Mar 99 From Laurie Re: mouth ulcers>

In addition to the other herbs and treatments mentioned already, here's one that works great for me when I bite the inside of my mouth - get the extra thick propolis tincture made by Big Sky Montana, dry the sore as best you can, and apply a covering of the propolis with a Q-tip. Let it dry for a moment before you close your mouth if possible (hmmm, how to do with a cat?  Doesn't really matter, though).  This stops the pain right away and for along time, and heals it better than anything I'Ve found.  Propolis is anti-biotic so ti will help if the sore is caused by some nasty virus, bacteria, or whatever.  This extra-thick kind is one of my favorite remedies to have on hand, although you can get the regular tincture and let a bit of the alcohol evaporate off first on a plate, then swab up with Q-tip.  And it's even nutritious (made by bees like royal jelly)!  I suppose if you had a really bad pollen allergy you might be careful in case it had some pollen in there.  It's used by the bees to seal up anything they want to sterilize.



<28 May  99 From: Roxanne re: gums again>

Diane,

I got this information from a Natural Care Health Letter. Personally I would have the teeth removed that the vet wants to remove. One of the symptoms of feline leukemia is gingivitis. I've had several cats die of this and I built an outdoor enclosure with a pet door that leads into my house so my other cats don't run loose, fight "neighborhood bullies" and become infected. Good luck with your cat.

Roxanne
 

Myrrh Formula
1/8th cup distilled / spring water
2 drops tincture of myrrh

Myrrh is anti-microbial, astringent and vulnerary. It is beneficial for gingivitis, mouth ulcers, glandular and fungal  infections and sinusitis. A good natural antibiotic, it not only has a direct anti-microbial effect but also stimulates leucocytosis. Also beneficial to tighten the gums in loose teeth.

Liquid Chlorophyll
1/8th cup distilled / spring water
1/4 teaspoon of liquid chlorophyll

Liquid chlorophyll is cleansing, deodorizing and soothing for inflamed gum tissue. Use it also for for healing gum absesses and mouth sores. In addition to being a powerful antiseptic, it relieves sore throats, soothes ulcer tissue, reduces pain, helps improve anaemic conditions and asthma, purifies the liver and improves nasal drainage.

Aloe Vera Gelly (FLP)
For debridement and tissue regeneration, this gelly is excellent and may be used regularly to clean to clean the teeth and gums. It removes calculus build-up, assists with gingivitis, pyorrhea and mouth cuts. In cases of pus and contamination, after cleaning the area including the teeth, an extra amount of gelly may be applied to the junctures where the teeth and gums meet. Reduces infection. Sloughs dead and infected tissue.

Aloe Activator
Assists with bleeding gums, gum inflammation and tooth sensitivity, reduces
swelling and pain, eliminates tooth discolouration. Massage into gums with a
cotton bud soaked in the solution. A  powerful inhibitor of strep mutans
bacteria (which causes plaque).

The following are a few internal treatments to consider:



<1 June 99 From Laurie Re: Anesthesia>

Since the subject of teeth cleaning and anesthesia has come up a few times, and I know many of us have sick cats for whom anesthesia can be dangerous, I thought I would forward the following posts from the CRF list.  It was quite eye-opening to me.

All the best,

Laurie and Tribble

Subject:   RE: CRF - teeth cleaning   Date:   Fri, 7 May 1999 21:39:51 -0400
From:   "Charles Christian" <CChristian@>

'Scuse me for jumping in here, but you've pressed one of my hot topics.  I'm a people anesthesiologist and we have a 12 year old Tonkinese, Mikki, who has been in compensated renal failure for 18 months, now (Bun 45, Creat. 4). Humans in renal failure tolerate anesthetics poorly and the same holds true for cats.  Isoflurane is the best choice, however it's not eliminated instantly, but it has the least depressive effect on the heart.  Most morbidity come from too low a blood pressure  and too low a blood pressure during anesthesia.  You control anesthetic depth by monitoring the blood pressure.  If you wait 'till you can hear a change in heart sounds you are too deep and in the danger zone!!  You must MEASURE blood pressure during anesthesia not estimate it by heart sounds.  You must also carefully monitor temperature because a small patient Cat or human, loses heat rapidly under an anesthetic.  You need a American College of Veterinary Anesthesiologists http://www.acva.org/ Board Certified Anesthesiologist to safely sleep your kitty.  These specialists who have a 4 or 5 year training program AFTER vet
school are usually only available at vet schools.

In the usual private vet practice the animal is anesthetized, intubated and just sorta left there with the vet listening to heart rate, not even heart sounds, while he really pays attention to the surgery, not the anesthetic. Most healthy animals or humans for that matter can tolerate this, but it is dangerous for CRF kitties.  That's where the horror stories come from.  This is not a condemnation of private vets, they just cannot afford a specialist of this caliber.

At the North Carolina State College of Veterinary Medicine, a Board Certified Anesthesiologist supervises the anesthesia while a Board Certified Small Animal Surgeon supervises the surgery.  Mikki and his best buddies Chess (severe hypertension no CRF) and Patches (Mast cell tumor) have been anesthetized there several times with no deleterious effects.  Chess' surgery was cut short because his temperature began to drop.  Private vets don't usually monitor temperature during anesthesia.  This is the only
safe way to go with a sick or elderly Kitty....check the ACVA web site above; they have a complete listing of all their Board Certified Vet Anesthesiologists by location.... But remember I am NOT a vet and don't have all their training about animal
medicine



<13 June 99 From: Susan Re: GeriatricGingivitis>

Paul,  My FeLV+ kitty George (on a homemade diet) has a tendency toward gum problems; for that we give him about 20-30 mgs of Coenzyme Q10 per day (he still has a bit of bad breath, but his gums are healthy and pink and don't seem to give him problems now--it's been almost a year--I do however, take a day or two off per week and stop giving supplements including coQ10); also try to give Olive 250-500 mgs of Vitamin C powder (sodium or calcium ascorbate, not ascorbic acid, which would sting) per day. You can also give Olive one drop per pound of body weight of bee propolis tincture twice daily for 2 months. Then cut back to half that for two months. You can also stir in finely minced fresh greens to Olive's food--all the green grasses--wheat, barley, rye..etc, help with gingivitis. I'd just stir the supplements into Olive's food. You can also make some echinacea tea, let it cool, then apply the tea to Olive's gums with soft gauze. This will help the healing process.

The advice above is based on suggestions listed in _The Encyclopedia of Natural Pet Care_ (1997) (pp438-39) by CJ Puotinen.

Richard Allport, in _Heal Your Cat the Natural Way_ notes that "Echinacea, Myrrh or Goldenseal in the form of a tincture, may be applied directly to the gums and mouth.  Sage and Rosemary may be given by infusion. Garlic is a good remedy, and should be given as 1/3 chopped clove daily, or alternated with 250 mg Vitamin C."

I have to say, tho, I wonder about applying an undiluted tincture directly to sore gums, but I suppose Allport wouldn't recommend it if that were the case.  (My husband takes tincture of Myrrh for his gums, but he dilutes it w/ warm water as per the label instructions.)

I agree with you about antibiotics and Olive's digestive tract; I believe if there are viable natural options, we should use  antibiotics as infrequently as possible, anyway.

While I'm here, I might as well give you Dr. Cheryl Schwartz's recommendations for "Mouth inflammation and restoring
healthy gums" (from her book _Four Paws, Five Directions: A Guide to Chinese Medicine for Cats & D*gs_ pp206-08).

Along with the Chinese herb formula Niu Huang Shang Zing Wan (1 tablet once daily), Golden seal (as *diluted* tincture) and yarrow tea as a mouth wash, Schwartz recommends:

Schwartz's dietary recommendations include millet; she doesn't mention chicken (as either a food to take or a meat to avoid); she does mention that sardines, eggs, carp, and raw beef have a cooling effect on the stomach (which is what you want for this condition, according to TCM)



<13 June 99 From Nancy Re: Gingivits>

My apologies to those folks who asked me privately to expand on an old post  about gingivitis. Looks like I waited just long enough! Susan sent a  fantastic list of things that can be done to help with this. Thanks!!

A couple of additions:

Homeopathic ideas....you'll need to reference a good Materia Medica to pick the right one - the descriptions here are very brief.

Aloe vera gel rubbed on the gums helps sooth and heal them. Some cats might  not appreciate this tactic though!

Goldenseal is also a fabulous healer for sore gums, but it tastes yucky so  you will likely have resistance to this too. And it's endangered in the wild, so consider alternatives carefully before buying any.

Frazier lists a Healthy Mouth Formula in her book. Mix together 1/4 cup spring or distilled water, 1/8 teaspoon salt, 3 drops tincture of myrrh. Apply liberally once a day to gums with cotton swab.  This wouldn't work with my beasts, but maybe yours is more tolerant!



<17 June 99 From Jean Re: preparing for Rabies Vaccination [gingivitis]>

Carole wrote:
<<As much as I hate to do it, I'm taking my youngest (3 1/2 yrs old) for a Rabies Vaccination next Tuesday.  Unfortunately, his gums look irritated and his teeth definitely need cleaning and the vet (very allo) won't clean his teeth without the vaccination.  (the cleaning won't be done until 2 weeks after the rabies shot)  I'm concerned about the fact that>>

Is there any chance that your cat will chew on some raw bones between now and teeth-cleaning time? They'll really get rid of the tartar, they'll help massage the gums, and he may not even need his teeth cleaned... :)) I've noticed a tremendous difference even in senior cats who've started chewing on bones - the brown gunk gets chipped off, their teeth get white and their gums improve a lot. If you'd like more info, check out the old posts at our
Archive site Bones:  http://www.holisticat.com/bones.html
and the FAQ at DENTAL CARE:  http://www.holisticat.com/dental.html

Also CoQ10 is good for gingivitis, 10 to 30mg/day, preferably use the kind that comes in oil, not the dry powder. You may have to ask around for it. If your cat will lick it up, even better, it's good topically on gums. A little extra vit C, a couple of drops of echinacea, an 1/8 tsp of liquid chlorophyll daily will help boost his immune system and help heal his gums.



<20 June 99 From Jill Re: Gingivits>

Many of you have privately e-mailed me about the serious gingivitis problem I have (had??) with Chester.  His gums in the back were receding and some of the roots were exposed.  He had Heska implants put in to stop the infection.  As you know 3 doctors have told me that he would probably lose his teeth by the time he is three years old.  Well, I am trying my darnest not to let that happen.  I just checked his gums, a month after I started my own treatment and his gums look beautiful and there is no odor whatsover from his mouth.  After the month of treatment, I do NOT see any exposed roots or any red rims on the gum line!  The receding seems to have reversed.  I wanted to let you all know what I have been doing in hopes that it can also help your cats.  I have given extra B-complex vitamins (50 mg per day, a little more in the beginning (be careful not to add to much, because what the cat does not use, the liver has to work hard to get rid of)), antioxidents, strong in Vitamin A, EFA's and extra pure Vitamin C crystals (as much as he can handle without getting lose stools, (which he never got))  Don't be afraid of the Vitamin C.  You can't give them to much, as they pass what they don't need.  I have also added green kale to his diet.

I also put raw, sliced chicken necks in the cats food every meal for them to crunch on.



<22 June 99 From Betty Re: gingivitis>

<<When I was picking up some of the suggested supplements I noticed that CoQ10 comes in gelcaps w/liquid inside and in capsules. Is there a significant difference in the two to justify the huge difference in price?>>

Carole:

Was online and saw your question.  I take CoQ10 for fibromyalgia-related  fatigue and have tried both the gelcaps and the capsules.  The capsules absolutely did not work at all, even at a higher dosage.  Have seen other people online post the same experience.   Also, make sure you know what you are buying.  The last time I went to purchase it, I noticed that the bottle
said "softgels" on it, but they were capsules.  I brought it to the sales clerk's attention, and she told me they were closely related and that this was not improper labeling.  Wrong!  She had a quick answer, so I don't think I was the first person who said something about it.  Also, it is better to divide the dosages up into three a day, instead of giving one high dosage.



<22 June 99 From Betty Re: gingivitis>

In a message dated 99-06-22 09:21:39 EDT, you write:
<< Thanks for the info on CoQ10.  I figured there had to be a difference if  the price was so much higher on the gelcaps, but thought I'd make sure   before doing something stupid.  It's a big help to hear first-hand   experience with the two!>>

Carole and everyone,

Just wanted to clarify something if I didn't already.  The gelcaps have powder in them, but the softgels have the oil/liquid in them.  Since the softgels work so well and are (I think) more expensive to manufacture, if anything, I would think that the softgels would cost more.  I don't recall there being a great difference in price, but I only bought the gelcaps once, and that was a long time ago.
 


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