As part of this edition’s salute on THE THING, I tracked down the author of the ultimate companion book to the new laser disc and DVD sets. Anne Billson, film critic for the Sunday Telegraph and novelist, scripted a compelling and fascinating look at Carpenter’s classic. She’s a fan of good Horror films and a proud advocate of THE THING as our conversation below will attest.



Do you remember the first time you saw THE THING...at it’s release right?

Anne:”That’s right, the first cinema release.”

At that time were you a professional critic...

“No, I was just a punter as they say.I saw it several years before I started doing film reviews, I was just a member of the public really.”

What was your initial reaction, obviously it floored you...

“Oh I was knocked out. I was so frightened during it, I thought I would have to leave the cinema during it because I found it so tense, it was not so much the special effects although they were amazing. The tension was just so...oh! I really thought I was going to have to go out of the cinema. It was one of those times where I knew I had nothing much in common with the film critics. I couldn’t believe that we had been watching the same film when I read the reviews.”

I’ve gone back and read some of those and people are still like that...

“Yeah. I looked up a whole load of old reviews for the book, and it was staggering there was only about one or two which had a good word to say for it.And they were such sheep, they were very old people the film reviewers which didn’t help. I just couldn’t believe we’d been watching the same film and the friend that I went to see the film with, along with everyone else I knew who saw it just loved it.It ws one of the first huge sort of casasms between orthodox film criticism and the general public I think.”

I also think it was because of E.T.

“Well that was sort of a rollercoaster thing sweeping everything before it. The idea where as E.T. was a great movie where THE THING wasn’t.”

I hate E.T.

“I find it really annoying because I cry when I see it and I feel very manipulated. I think THE THING is sort of a 70’s movie that came out of it’s time, it would have had a better reception in the 70s if it had come out then.”

It would have an awesome reception now I think.

“I think one of the reasons I choose to do THE THING was I kept meeting people who loved it. I thought the fllm wasn’t reflected the way I felt anywhere.”

I’ve read the book several times and each time, I am struck by how much more you’ve read into the film. For example the fact the THING is the ‘female’ in the movie.

“Mmm (laughs). I didn’t think that straight away when I saw it. When you first see the film, you’re too busy being scared shitless more than anything else. I think the great thing about good horror movies, you can interpret them in so many different ways. And I think the ways that I’ve interpreted it are not necessary the only way. That’s what so good about them they tap into all these sort of reserves of fears and feelings. It’s certainly one of the more unusual things about the film, that has no female characters that sort of scream and run away. I love the way that they’ve sort of done away with the female characters rather than have some there to complicate the issue. You would have to be sort of manly in front of the women, all these cliches you would hav to have dredged up. Plus, I do think there is some much more discomforting about horrorible special effects being inflicted on the female characters. Like in ALIEN, if the alien would have burst out of a woman’s chest it would have been real icky. I didn’t mind it coming out of John Hurt (laughs).”

They did that at the end of HUMANOIDS FROM THE DEEP.

“Wasn’t that sort of a mass alien rape? I think the thing is when you are dealing with characters and monsters and body horror you’re dealing with sexual politics and going into a deep area and I think Carpenter was definitely trying to avoid this here. It would have been another film entirely.”

Funny you should say that; on the commentary on the laser disc and DVD, Kurt kept coming back to that thinking that it was right that there were no women in this.

“It was a base decision in it, not to include women. There’s quite enough sex stuff going on with the special effects I think.”

I was watching it again last night and the whole sequence with the Palmer Thing eating Windows; that whole Venus flytrap kind of head...I said I see Anne’s point.

“Yes, absolutely. The Vagina Detata, with the stomach opening up. There’s so much sex symbolism in it, that you really don’t want to complicate issues by having real men and women’s sexual politics. Maybe that’s the film for Cronenberg. But it would be very, very yucky. I think Carpenter was far more interested in indentity and who was taken over. You can read the Thing as female, I think men are much more sensitive to body changes than women are.

Women have to deal with more in their daily lives, they’re sort of used to blood and bodie’s changing like with pregnancy. I think with men all they have to do is cut their finger and see a bit of blood and they get very wimpy about it. I think the Thing is sort of subconsciously female.I think that explaination is very, very funny. I don’t think it should be taken seriously.”


I got a kick out of it.

“I think it works. I wonder if they made the Thing now, there are no sexual relationships in the film but I wonder if they made it now would they have a homosexual relationship. It’s very odd. I presume that was what the rubber doll was all about, how do these men get their rocks off?”

Oh yeah that was definitely it.From what I could read from the script and Alan Dean Foster’s novelization and just the photos. I also think that if they would have included that it would have shown more insight on MacReady revealing him to be even more of an isolationist. But it was good that they left it out too.

“Yes, he did say that those scenes were left out because of pace. Have you seen DAY OF THE DEAD?”

Oh yes.

“I loved it, but I kind of think that’s how the THING might of gone had he had women in it.”

Carpenter, like Romero, doesn’t really push when his characters are female.

“But Romero in DAY OF THE DEAD actually sort of addressed the idea, It was really horrible.”

Oh yeah! Those military guys were pigs.

“Yes, and you really get the sort of feeling that it’s realistic.”

It’s sort of the last woman on earth with all these scumbags.

“Absolutely. I think that has pretty much taken over the film, not that it’s bad but it’s very heavy in the film. If THE THING been the same way that’s what it would have been about as much as anything.”

We talked about this before, how we both enjoyed the story over the effects, what was it that struck you about Lancaster’s script.

“It was a really nice, spare functional script. And it’s the first time I think that everyone had heard those wisecracks. Something really gruesome and outrageous happens in terms of special effects and somebody will say: “You’ve gotta be fucking kidding!” which is actually what you or I would probably say and I never sort of seen that or heard that done before. It’s done quite a lot now. And it sort of lightens the tone too much it’s become more like Horror comedies. It didn’t make the film any less scary, it sort of deflated the tension, but it didn’t make it sort of light horror comedy. You have this awful thing happening and then you have this line which is a complete contrast to the amazing wonders you’ve just been watching. That’s more or less the way these guys would talk.

How did you get involved with BFI?
“They wrote me a letter and asked me if I wanted to a book for the Modern Classics series which they were just starting up at the time. And they sent me a list of films to choose from, none of which I liked the sound of. And I sent them a list of ones I wouldn’t mind doing back and THE THING was at the top of that list.”

What were some of the other films you would have tackled, if they didn’t green light THE THING?

“DAWN OF THE DEAD. THE THREE MUSKATEERS, THE CHARGE OF THE LIGHT BRIGADE.”


"The original had nothing to do with the story. It was a Howard Hawkes gang. And Carpenter’s film does just the opposite where no one gangs together. It’s almost unfortunate that they share a similar title, it’s really not the same film, it’s not a remake by any means. I have no patience with people going 'Oh I really like the old one and this is just pathetic.' That’s a knee jerk reaction..." - Billson on the Hawkes THING.



It’s funny how now, especially with the release of the new laser disc and dvd sets over here in America, people are starting to praise the daylights out of the film, when folks like you and me have been pushing the movie for years.

“Now they are coming around huh?”

I will never forget about four years ago now, I was defending the film at a convention when almost everyone else hated it.

“This was at a Sci-Fi convention?!”

Yeah.

“I thought they would have liked it.”

I think it was a bunch of very squeamish men and women who said ‘Oh no the first one’s much better’. And I said ‘the first one doesn’t have a story like this!’ It was right around when the X-Files was really starting to hit, and I said what about that XF episode “Ice”. The two writers swear up and down that they did not rip off THE THING, but: they found something in the ice, the organism takes them over, a dog gets assimilated, everyone gets paranoid, there’s a blood test. But getting back to my question, do you think the book is your defense of the film...

“It’s obviously the most concrete defense, I am not terribly articulate in real life. I babble insanely and if somebody out-argues me I’ll give up, but now I can wave the book at them. 'This is what I mean!' (Laughs) The whole thing about X-Files was very derivative of the THING. The original had nothing to do with the story. It was a Howard Hawkes gang. And Carpenter’s film does just the opposite where no one gangs together. It’s almost unfortunate that they share a similar title, it’s really not the same film, it’s not a remake by any means. I have no patience with people going oh I really like the old one and this is just pathetic. That’s a knee jerk reaction.”

How long did it take you to write the book?

“It took about six months on and off. I have a day job, so it wasn’t like I could just sit down and write it. I asked the BFI to dig me out a print because I really wanted to see it on widescreen and I took along a couple of people that never saw the widescreen version and they knocked out, It’s a very beautiful, elegantly shot film. All those snow scapes. The Thing was the most colorful thing in it. And the way he shot groups of men just standing around, it makes it look easy just getting this great number of actors in one frame. Which is one of the things you have to see it on widescreen for, to have almost the entire cast standing around the remains of the dog, or the remains they found at the Norweigan camp.”

You spoke with Carpenter about the film,what was the most interesting point he brought up about the film?

“Nearly everything he said was interesting, He was terribly articulate and to the point. To that extent the interview didn’t last very long, I was expecting to talk to him a bit longer. I suspect we only wound up talking for a half an hour because he was so to the point. One of the things I think was monster’s being shown in semi-darkness to disguise the fact that they are really men in monster suits, and Carpenter decided to actually show everything. There’s no fudging around you see it. I got the impression that it was a film that he was quite fond of. He was kind of philosophical about it, it came out the same summer as E.T. Which was the time that everybody wanted a Reagan-like upbeat film and it was a very downbeat film, and it’s very uncompromising even by today’s standards. And that ending is very uncompromising it really pissed people off didn’t it. It was like stalemate.”

I like the way you described the ending of the film, as ‘a Mexican stand-off’. So you stand by the fact that both men are human...

“You don’t know whether or not one of them is the THING or not. For ages I thought that Keith David was, there are certain shots where you can’t see his breath.I think it looked at it quite closely and in some shots you can see his breath. It’s still very nice. The idea that they are just sort of frozen there.”
A lot of people were let down by the comics. I emjoyed the first two books (THE THING FROM ANOTHER WORLD) however I was shocked when writer Chuck Pharrer proclaimed if he continued the series that MacReady would be a THING. Your response to that...
“That would be interesting. I didn’t dislike them. I didn’t all of the ones where everyone started turning into things after having sex.”
That was a washout.

“I sort of enjoyed it, I liked the face melting across the floor. I think with the graphic novels they should have let it rip a little more they didn’t actually come up with anything different than what Rob Bottin had done. You would think that they would come up with something more imaginative. I would love to know what the Thing’s politics are. In THE FLY Jeff Goldblum talks about an insect’s politics. You never really see things from the things point of view and you really don’t want to in the film. Do all the separate things link up? Or are they all sort of separate entities? And what happens when a thing takes over everything what’s left? Can they exist when they’ve taken everything over? I was a bit curious about that.”

Would you like to see a sequel?

“Only if Carpenter did it. I think I read in Hello that Lancaster died and his death had been really sad and lonely. And I thought “Oh no! If he had seen the book before he died. Just to know that someone really appreciated that might have cheered him up. He died before I finished the book.”

Your favorite scene(s) and why?

“The Filibrator. That whole scene is really extended, I had just no preparation for. I think I heard about the special effects before I saw it. But hearing it and seeing it are two different things. And you’re just like “WHAT!” It’s that whole scene and the way he played. From the point when MacReady locked outside. There are so many things going on and then he sort of whollops you from left field. You worrying about Clark who has stolen a scapel. And you’re thinking oh Clark is going to attack MacReady now, and then Richard Dysart’s hands get bit off. Then the Norris’ head comes off and becomes a spider head. It just doesn’t stop. I love the entire movie but that sequence. You wanted more adventures with the spider head, it was so weird and really gets you at a primeval level. We all sort of seen gross special effects, but it still packs a punch that noone has touched on since.”


Your favorite character and why?

"Apart from Kurt; you have to like MacReady. He’s a good man to have around when something bad happens. I think the characters are so good, this was another thing I couldn’t agree with the critics on. ‘Everybody’s faceless so it doesn’t matter when they turn into things because the characters were so badly drawn, badly acted.’ And I thought “No!” They were brilliantly drawn I think. I think it was a huge injustice to slag it off in that way. I was always intrigued by Fuchs, how he wanders off and you just see his burnt glasses. And MacReady goes ‘Oh the thing must have gotten to him so he committed suicide.’ You know MacReady with his brilliant sort of instincts on what’s happened. (Laughs)

"At a certain stage I thought Fuchs was a lot like Richard Dryfuss, he’s that everyman. MacReady’s that action man, he’s not everyman. Fuch’s very sympathetic, you kind of quite like him. When he goes wandering off, I was kind of upset and hoping that he would turn up later. Now I kind of quite like that some of the characters wander off and don’t return. If everything was spelled out for you and then you’d sort of not think about it anymore, like the ending. The fact that its not all there makes you think about it more and wonder what did happen.”


A friend of mine was telling me she thought initially the flaw of the film was that many things weren’t explained. Like when was the time when the keys were taken from Garry. But now each time she watches the film, she finds that the film isn’t flawed you HAVE to look for the clues. Like when the THING got the keys: when Windows dropped them in the store room at the sight of Bennings. Have you come across things like this.

“The things about the film that don’t seem perfect are often the things that linger in your mind. The fact there is sort of leeway for different interpretations.I’d love to get together with a bunch of THING fans and argue when Blair was taken over. He’s infected in the shed or is he?”

If BFI wanted to update the THING book what would you add?

“Um, well I’d talk to you (laughs). You know all these things I hadn’t heard before. And give a huge plug to your website. I wasn’t on the internet when I wrote it.”

There is one THING website that largely works from the Bottin Cinefantastique and compares the novel to the film.

“It was probably just as well that I didn’t have access to all these things. The Exorcist book is now getting rereleased because the author has seen more footage I would mind writing an update on it. It’s probably worth doing if there was extra footage.”

There are extra scenes. The dog runs away from the Norweigan compound. Bennings walking into the kennel and the scene stops just before that still when you see him get stabbed with that icepick. Another when Blair describes how the thing takes over the dog. And then my favorite when MacReady confronts everyone with the shredded long johns. He says “What size do you wear Clark?” Clark replies Large. And pretty much everyone wears size large. Now Norris gives a very guilty look at the longjohns as if to show us he’s been taken over. And this is another reason why they cut this scene at the end of it, Clark laughs this very guilty laugh.

“Really? I liked the character of Clark. You get the sense that he really doesn’t care for people but he really cares for his dogs. And that’s done in not a heavy handed way, it’s very subtle but everything’s there. The characters are so good.”

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