Hello Ben, 
    Shortly after John cut me off and stopped writing, I received a spam email from another guy calling himself James Green and also using a hotmail account like did.
    Here are the last emails from John along with my replies:
 
From: John
Date: 2/22/2004 7:04:42 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Do Berean Dispensationalists Lie or Twist The Truth?
 
As I said Berean are liars who have tunnel vision and twist the truth and see what they want to see. Now please deal with the facts:
 
John,  
Why didn't you deal with the facts that I gave you? All right I will deal with what you are giving me here, even though you have no respect for anyone else's view but your own.  My answers to the statements you made below are in purple: 
 
THE HOLY SPIRIT ALONE NOT MAN NOR APOSTLE PAUL IS QUALIFIED TO INTERPRET SCRIPTURES.  
 
And what about our risen Lord Jesus Christ?  He is not qualified to interpret scriptures directly to Paul?  Nonsense!  I guess that you don't believe Jesus is part of the Godhead.  You must not think there is any Holy Trinity either.  You probably don't even think that Jesus is God!  -A common cult claim.
 
Those who think and say that Apostle Paul is special and so are his words are carnal and unscriptural based even on Apostle Paul's words:   (These scriptures, the ones you wrote here down below, do not apply to what we are doing, but I can see and understand why you would think so)  We are not doing the same thing they were doing back then when Paul said these things. 
 
No, Paul is telling them that they should not worship a man like some people do when they pick out some Preacher and idolize him.  My cousin idolizes John MacArthur and exclaims that she fully trusts all that he says because he cannot be mistaken.  He has to be right about everything (in her mind) because of the fact that she got saved through his radio ministry.  So, she thinks that he is the only person that God would want her to listen to.  Now that is a perfect example of what Paul is talking about here.  Paul was not perfect.  He did make mistakes, but the reason that we follow him is because Jesus gave him our last instructions for today.  On one else had them.  We must turn to Paul.  We do not idolize Paul at all.  I understand that Paul was pretty unattractive.  He was no Elvis for sure. 
 
Did God not give Moses the instructions for the kingdom church of times past?  The Israelites had to follow Moses to get their instructions from God, and that's what they did.  God never said to them, "Stop, you Israelites.  You are not of Moses and don't follow him".  To the contrary, they did follow Moses instructions the same way we follow Paul's. 
 
Did God speak to the Israelites directly and tell them to follow Moses?  No!  He showed many signs and wonders through Moses, so that they would know Moses was sent from God to lead them.  Did God show many signs and wonders thru Paul?  Yes, he certainly did in the beginning of his ministry.  They were his credentials to show that he too, Paul, was of God, and therefore they should listen to him and follow him for instructions.  This was done more so for Israel because they required signs and wonders as evidence of a leader's authenticity. Gentiles also knew that God was supporting his leaders by showing signs and wonders through them:
 
1 Cor 1:22  For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
Acts 2:22  Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
2 Cor 12:11  I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.
2 Cor 12:12  Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.   
 
Why would anyone have believed Paul if the other apostles were all showing signs and wonders, and Paul were not given any to show them?  God had to give Paul these signs in the beginning of his ministry in order to show them proof of the standing he had with God. 
 
Those were the credentials of a true man from God in those days.  Don't blame me.  Complain to God if you don't like it and are mad that God ended those signs when he was finished writing the story.  The purpose for having them was done.  God doesn't waste signs and wonders.  They would become common place and any soccerer could push his way in by trickery and take over if he.  Some soccerers did try back when signs and miracles were going on, and they deceived many as the scriptures show.  That is the very reason God does not allow those kind of miraculous signs today.  We can know of a surety, by this, that anything that comes along from some people today is not of God.  God had real signs and wonders, not the questionable things that go on today that come out of emotionalism.  When God did a miracle, no one, except the Jewish Pharasees questioned it.  But even they're responses showed that they knew it was real. 
 
1 Corinthians 1:12 Now I say this, that each of you says, "I am of Paul," or "I am of Apollos," or "I am of Cephas," or "I am of Christ."     (We do not say we are "of Paul".  We say that Paul has the instructions for the Body of Christ today.  Our risen Lord gave them to him. Have you also noticed that he includes "I am of Christ"?  He says this because Christ is the head, part of the Body of Christ, one of its members, you see. Paul is saying that we should not be divided as members of the one Body.  He is saying, "don't take sides and divide yourself off from the Body of Christ.  Is the Body divided today?   Yes, it sure is, but if they 'rightly divided the word of truth' as Paul commands us being our leader, the church would not be divided today.  You have to remember though, that we are still united under Christ even though divisions have occurred.  They occurred in Paul's day too).  
1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
 
(I think that I have already answered these ones quite adequately)  Scroll further down
3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. 3:2 I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; 3:3 for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men? 3:4 For when one says, "I am of Paul," and another, "I am of Apollos," are you not carnal? 3:5  Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one? 3:6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. 3:7 So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase. 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, "He catches the wise in their own craftiness"; 3:20 and again, "The LORD knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile." 3:21 Therefore let no one boast in men. For all things are yours: 3:22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas, or the world or life or death, or things present or things to come-all are yours. 3:23 And you are Christ's, and Christ is God's.
 
To twist Paul's word and ideas and to say its scripture is a lie from the pits of hell because it's a Logos word, not a Rhema word and we are to live only by the Rhema word, every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.' " The Logos word is yesterday's manna and cannot be applicable for a specific need or situation while the Rhema word can because it's given and made real by the Holy Spirit who is the other Christ, the Helper, the Guide, the Spirit of Truth, and all that Christ was to His disciples. Men are saved not based on Paul's words but on the word of Jesus who told all:   (tsk, tsk.  Paul's words are the words of Jesus)
 
Matthew 7:21  "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 7:22 "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
(Now, these are some good verses for my Pentecostal friends to take heed of.  They, afterall, are the only ones who are prophesying, casting out demons, and claiming to do mighty wonders in Jesus' name.  If this scripture speaks the truth, then I would tremble upon hearing this if I were them.  But we are not them, and in no way can these verses be applied to us.  You are way off now.)
 

7:24  "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock:
7:25 "and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. 7:26 "But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: 7:27 "and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall."
(The very words of our Lord Jesus Christ to the house of Israel.)  He came to them in his earthly ministry.  Gentiles were still in the world and without hope at that time.  Jesus had not even gone to the Cross yet.  But later we have this solemn testimony of our condition back then:
 
Eph 2:11  Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12  That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13  But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.    
 (meaning NOW, and not when Jesus walked the earth.  We were not made nigh until his blood was shed for us, --silly boy)
So, please--- Stop calling us liars.  Go pick on some Mormons or JW's.  We are in Christ no matter what doctrinal differences we have from yours.  Nothing you can say against us will change it.  You have absolutely no peace, do you?    Please!  Sir.  Get  some grace and get a life! 
 
Saved by the blood of Christ and having peace with God,
 
 
From: John
Date: 2/22/2004 2:42:30 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Do Berean Dispensationalists Lie or Twist The Truth? YES
 
"And what about our risen Lord Jesus Christ?  He is not qualified to interpret scriptures directly to Paul?  Nonsense!  I guess that you don't believe Jesus is part of the Godhead.  You must not think there is any Holy Trinity either.  You probably don't even think that Jesus is God!  -A common cult claim."
 
Now I see why Bereans are liars and deceived ones because they think they are the only ones who have a handle on truth and how to interpret the scriptures. They character assasinate those who don't think like they do and put words into people's mouth
 
FOR THE RECORD JESUS NEVER SAID HE WOULD INTERPRET SCRITURES TO US OR THAT A MAN IS SUPPOSED TO DO IT. THAT RESPONSIBILITY IS ONLY TO THE HOLY SPIRIT AND UNTIL YOU ACCEPT THIS TRUTH YOUR WORDS ARE ALL LIES AND DECEIVEMENT
 
1JN 2:20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things.
 
1JN 2:27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
 
"Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.  "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.  "But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.  "Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?  "He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God."

 Then the Jews answered and said to Him, "Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?"  Jesus answered, "I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me. "And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges. John 8:43-50
 
From:
Date: 2/22/2004 4:32:15 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Do Berean Dispensationalists Lie or Twist The Truth? YES
 
No, John.  You just admitted to me that you think you know the only way the scriptures can be interpreted.  You are wrong.  Jesus is God and He can do whatever he wants with the Father's blessing.  The Holy Spirit too, was sent from Jesus and the Father.  You are obviously a liar and a hypocrit who does all that he accuses us of doing.   You are so filled with hate that I don't even think you are saved. 
 
 
From: John
Date: 2/22/2004 2:57:01 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Dshould listen to him and follow him for instructions.
 
They were his credentials to show that he too, Paul, was of God, and therefore they should listen to him and follow him for instructions.  This was done more so for Israel because they required signs and wonders as evidence of a leader's authenticity. Gentiles also knew that God was supporting his leaders by showing signs and wonders through them:
 
Hogwash! Paul was an evangelist to bring people to Christ. He is dead and gone and we are not to follow Paul or even push his teachings. We are to follow Christ, walk in the power of His Spirit and do what He has commanded each child of God to do
 
16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
16:16 "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
16:17 "And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;
16:18 "they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover." Mark
 
Until you do what Jesus told you to do don't talk to me any more because you are nothing but a deceived one possessed by a demon and are spewing out lies!
 

From:
Date: 2/22/2004 4:36:48 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Dshould listen to him and follow him for instructions.
 
Shame on you.  You are way out of line!  You are a baby who has been fed milk only.  Grow up and eat some meat of the word of God.  And Wow!  You have even brought railing accusations on a Saint of the most high God.  You are in bigggg trouble with the Lord now.  I wouldn't want to be you at the judgment
 
 
From: John
Date: 2/22/2004 2:36:45 PM
To:
Subject: A Robot Or A Man?
 

A Robot Or A Man?

Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy-meditate on these things. The things which you learned and received and heard and saw in me, these do, and the God of peace will be with you. Philippians 4:8-9

                        In life I have met many Christians who were robots or clones of their idol or leader be it Apostle Paul, their pastor, or a T.V. Evangelist. They could not think for themselves or manifest the power of God but only spewed out mechanically doctrines or ideas spewed out by others. It was obvious they were not like Jesus who was a true man who was at a home with evil and wicked Pharisees and the poor, needy and sick common man. Jesus was self-sufficient as a result of prayer and the Spirit of the Lord to handle any situation that came His way including dealing with tough questions posed to him by His antagonists. The bible records for our profit:

Then the Pharisees went and plotted how they might entangle Him in His talk.  And they sent to Him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, "Teacher, we know that You are true, and teach the way of God in truth; nor do You care about anyone, for You do not regard the person of men.  "Tell us, therefore, what do You think? Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?" But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, "Why do you test Me, you hypocrites?  "Show Me the tax money." So they brought Him a denarius.  And He said to them, "Whose image and inscription is this?" They said to Him, "Caesar's." And He said to them, "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."  When they had heard these words, they marveled, and left Him and went their way. Matthew 22:15-22

Just because Jesus in a specific debate made a statement "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's" doesn’t mean that we are to turn it into a doctrine or commandment of God that we are to pay taxes without question. If this was the case, the American Revolution of 1776 denouncing taxation without representation as a threat to colonial liberties was biblical illegal according to the words of Jesus! A view that some Christians maintain. But the American reveloution was about personal liberties including what Thomas Jefferson stated:

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.--We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.(The Declaration of Independence)

I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.. – Thomas Jefferson Letter To Francis Hopkinson, Paris Mar. 13, 1789

Jesus Christ never denied the fact that all men created equal,and  they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Rather He came to destroy the works of the devil in the lives of men and owmen and taught:

"Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.  "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.  "But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.  "Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?  "He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God."

 Then the Jews answered and said to Him, "Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?"  Jesus answered, "I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me. "And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges. John 8:43-50

"I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.  "The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.  "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep. "But a hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them.  "The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep. "I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own.  "As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. John 10:9-15

Jesus Christ didn’t bless anyone who took away the personal freedoms from men but rather cursed them. Woe to you doesn’t mean something good is going to happen to you. God’s word is unchanging:

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation. "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves. Matthew 23:14-15

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.  "Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel! "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence. "Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness.  "Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous,  "and say, 'If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.'  "Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets.  "Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt.  "Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? Matthew 23:23-33

Jesus taught us all to beware of false prophets, pastors, and politicians who come to us in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. He said:

"You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? "Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.  "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.  "Therefore by their fruits you will know them. Matthew 7:16-20

If we are going to come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ (Ephesians 4:13) we are going to have to learn to be discerning and to stand up to ravenous wolves in sheep’s clothing whoever they are and curse them just as Jesus did and not bless them and not be like them but warn others about them! God’s word is unchanging:

"Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men.  "For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God.  "Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.  "For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.  "Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves.  "Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.  "So now, brethren, I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.  "I have coveted no one's silver or gold or apparel. "Yes, you yourselves know that these hands have provided for my necessities, and for those who were with me.  "I have shown you in every way, by laboring like this, that you must support the weak. And remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.' "Acts 20:26-35

Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. Galatians 5:1

 

From:
Date: 2/22/2004 4:18:25 PM
To:
Subject: Re: A Robot Or A Man?
 
I, dear sir, will have you to know that I am, indeed, a free and independent thinker.   I couldn't  agree with you more on that. 
 
  1. The Catholics told me that salvation was through their church and Pope.
  2. The Mormons told me they are the only true church on the face of the earth today.
  3. The Pentecostals told me that I was saved because I could speak in tongues.
  4. The JW's told me that Jesus is not God and only they will be saved.
  5. The Seventh Day Adventists told they know you're save if you keep the Sabath.
  6. The Nazarenes told me you can get saved if you receive entire sanctification.
  7. The Calvinists told me  you were either created for heaven or created to go to hell.
  8. The Islamics tell me their is no Holy Trinity, Jesus is no better than Mohammad.
  9. The Hindus tell me we are reincarnated many times until we get it right.
  10. The Christian Science people tell me that it is all mind over matter or something.
And the list goes on.  I have rejected them all.  The closest beliefs to the truth out there that I found was with the Baptists, and even they fall short of the whole truth.  I have now walked out on them too.  And you are telling me that I can't think for myself? 
 
I grew up with atheists who are very angry with me for even believing there is a God.  They told me all my life right from childhood, there is no God.  But I believed regardless of what I was taught.  I think for myself.  That goes for you and your thoughts too.  I don't have to think like you. 
 
The verse that you gave here is the very bottom line for me and I don't think you even know what that verse really means.  As a grace believer I have come to stand fast on that verse guarding my liberty as well, for it has now become my favorite Bible verse.  I have true grace and true freedom and like I never ever had it before.
 
Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. Galatians 5:1
 
And what about you?  Are you the robot or are you following some church denomination or some Pastor?  I am not of any denomination.  There are no denominations around here that I would care to join.  My thoughts are not their thoughts and my mind is not theirs either.  I will not fellowship with them anymore.  You are indeed, the brainwashed one here.
 
 You have a lot of nerve to say that we are robots.  We don't follow the "in crowd" like you do, buddy.  Like I said before, "get some grace, get some peace, and get a life!
 
 
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