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                           Method of Mobile Statistics

                          Debate: Carl, Jutta & Franz

May 21, 2000



Carl Zimmerman writes:

 Hi, folks;
I propose that in our Tuesday AOL chats, we add some statistics where
appropriate. These would demonstrate the importance of the topics
discussed and points that are made. Of course, we would cite the
sources. For example, in the following on-line CNN article on AIDS in
Botswana, the statistics dramatize the current and future devastating
effect of this disease on the population.

Statistics are often inaccurate, but so is everything else.
Nevertheless, statistics stimulate thinking and discussion.

Regards.

Carl


Franz Lee writes:

Carl,

The only problem is that we should train our "dormant" sector of Pandemonium
Crew, to study the scientific, praxical methods of obtaining true, really
existential "statistics"; with the bourgeois ideological, system
affirming, labour loving "statistics" of the social sciences, especially
sociology and economics, not even to mention, politics, I don't think that we'll
get far.

One of the most sophisticated ways of producing ideology and
domination, is exactly across Formal-Logical Statistics. These are scientifically
and philosophically useless. About dialectical or dialogical statistics,

I've never heard. Imagine statistics in motion, to reflect a mobile reality. The
"best' example of "statistics" can be seen in the African AIDS campaign. The
"worst" I have seen during the Vietnam War; according to official statistics,
counting all the Vietcong dead, there should not be a single living Vietnamese anymore.

Statistics and Formal Logics are identical; they are just another side of the
same coin.

Anyhow, let's see what can be done.

Greetings,

Franz


Jutta Schmitt write:

Carl,

consider developing MMS - a "method of mobile statistics" in order to
provide data for a flowing, open, multiple-dimensional truth. You have
already indicated the necessity and possibility of a "mobile calculus"
(chaos equations) with regard to unforeseeable innovations in your
article on "Space Exploration and Colonization" - the first article
of yours I ever got to read! This is the kind of statistics, calculus
and equation we need for our processual thinking and method! - Stationary
statistics will not help backing up what is reflected in our Science
and Philosophy, and in our chats and debates.

Regards,

Jutta.



Carl Zimmerman wrote:

 Jutta:

 MMS is an interesting concept. Actually, Chaos Theory is a form of MMS.
The equations of Chaos Theory are used to predict the behavior of continuously
changing variables and their non-linear relationships more accurately
 through precise knowledge of the initial conditions. Moreover, the dynamic
patterns determined by Chaos Theory have been offered to replace the
static
bell shaped curve as a more accurate predictor of non-linear behavior.

Has MMS ben discussed on the web? Please send me a URL?  A team of
professional mathematicians will need to develop and test MMS, and as a
science writer, I will gladly help write an article that can be easily
understood by lay and professional audiences.

Regards.

 Carl



 
 

Jutta Schmitt wrote:

Carl,

To my knowledge, neither is the term "MMS" already in use, nor have it's
contents and the problematic described by MMS been discussed on the net (or
elsewhere). So it is entirely up to ourselves to develop this concept and
it's
contents, as well as it's mathematical modus operandi. We would need a new
kind
of mathematics/calculus/statistics, that would have to comprise at least the
following 4 basic components as a minimum requirement for full
operationability:

a) Static description and calculus of "inertial events" (Identification of
Rest).
b) Static description and calculus of "events-in-motion" (Identification of
Motion).
c) Dynamic description and calculus of both, inertial events and events in
motion, in relation to each other (Differentiation of Rest and Motion).
d) Multimensional exploration and speculative calculus of so far
unidentified
types of relations, that fall within the vast realm of neither inertial nor
moving events, that is, within the realm of "relational events"
(Triversification of Rest, Motion and Relation).

I can provide you with the logics as exposed on our Pandemonium.Crew
Home Page
(the main page on Geocities), you, or any open minded mathematical expert,
would
have to provide the mathematical input!

Regards,

Jutta.
 

Carl Zimmerman writes:

Franz&Jutta:
Until MMS equations are developed, I am suggesting that our
messages, include
supportive numerical data wherever these are appropriate and
available.
regards.
Carl

Franz wrote:

Carl,

For the "time" being, we have no alternative but to rely on multi-national statistics,
official ideologue data, erudite academic "facts". In our chats, we can use these "anytime"
to make a point, but at our own psychological and mental risk.

I enjoyed our mini-debate on statistics!

Greetings,

Franz.
 



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