AOL TUESDAY EVENING INTERNATIONAL CHAT
CARL, STEVE, KHALID, IRIS & FRANZ
TOPIC: THE 4TH OF JULY, UFOS, COMET 76P, END TIMES, CLONES,
MULTINATIONALS, BIG BUSINESS, EMANCIPATION
July 4, 2000 Chat (Slightly, Corrected Version.)
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panta98:Hi! Carl!
ScnWrt: Hi, Franz
panta98:Today, we've bad luck. Everybody
is at some kind of festival, either celebrating or
working there; either Canada Day or July
the 4th. Tomorrow it is Venezuela Day, and we'll
celebrate.
panta98:Bill is going to Santa Fe.
panta98:Iris is working.
ScnWrt:Great. In a while, guests will arrive
and Fran & I will celebrate with them
panta98:Khalid and Steve did not reply.
panta98:Jutta is as busy as a bee.
panta98:Hence, the chat will have to be
postponed till next week.
panta98:But, you and i could chat for a
while.
ScnWrt:Steve just joined AOL. I'll invite
him
panta98:So, no problem, Carl. In "spirit",
Jutta and I will be celebrating with you.
panta98:OK!
ScnWrt: The Spirit of 76 .
plasticsmith has entered the room.
panta98:I'm waiting!
ScnWrt:Fran&I saw the new USA movie
The
Patriot with Mel Gibson about the USA
Revolution
ScnWrt:Hi, Steve
plasticsmith: Hey all...finaly I made it
panta98:Hi! Steve! Are you also celebrating
July the 4th?
plasticsmith: Not here ... that's US
panta98:A pleasure to have you around.
Greetings to you and Sonoko from Jutta. Also to
Carl.
ScnWrt:Celebrated Canada Day on July 1
panta98:But, you celebrated Canada Day,
Steve?
plasticsmith: Canada was July first but
I'm not so patriotic as you can imagine.
panta98:Oh! I see, Steve!!!
ScnWrt:Greetings to Franz, Jutta, Steve
and Sonoko from Fran
plasticsmith: I learned a long time ago..Canada
is not what it seems to the rest of the world
ScnWrt:What is Canada Day about?
panta98:Bill sent a nice appreciation of
the American colonial revolution. I forwarded it to
you all.
ScnWrt:I read it
panta98:Yes, Steve, could you tell us.
ScnWrt:Bill's note was excellent
plasticsmith:I have no idea what it is
about. some sort of propaganda brainwash I think
panta98:Yes,
panta98:Steve, we've a slight problem,
the rest of the Crew can't attend, and Carl has to
leave soon too.
ScnWrt:Franz, what is Venezuela Day (tomorrow)
about?
plasticsmith:Oh well..shall we continue
anyway
panta98:Venezuela became independent on
July 5, 1811; that's what they are celebrating
tomorrow.
ScnWrt:Independent?
plasticsmith:Franz..I sent a book to you
a few days ago. It is a rare collectors item I think
You will enjoy it
panta98:Well, as long as Carl is not yet
called for supper, we could continue.
ScnWrt:Steve, What's the book title?
panta98:Thanks, Steve. It'll arrive in
about two weeks' time.
plasticsmith:An original copy of the USSR
constitution published in 1947
ScnWrt:Interesting
panta98:Excellent, Steve. It interests
me.
plasticsmith:It has a hand written dedication
from the man who was the founder of the NDP
political party in Canada to his daughter
panta98:What do you folks suggest? Should
we in a simple manner introduce our theme for
tonight, or should we postpone it for next
time? What do you think, Carl?
plasticsmith:Have you all heard anything
about a comet called 76P?
ScnWrt:I have an original collector's item
Soviet novel "Quiet flows the Don" by Konstantin
Simonov in English (1947)
panta98:And just continue with our current
casual chat.
ScnWrt:Contnue with our casual chat
panta98:What's the central theme, Carl?
panta98:I agree.
plasticsmith:This is serious stuff. It
does not look like the usual paranoid end of the world
stuff ... this thing may well hit us ...
soon
panta98:Comet 76P? Steve, what's that?
panta98:What? Tell us more about it!
plasticsmith:It's a comet that appears
to be heading for a colision with us or Mars and NASA
knows it
panta98: From where did you get this exquisite
confidential information, Steve?
ScnWrt:When is it expected to hit?
plasticsmith:The internet is buzzing with
it ... just look up 76P
panta98:Carl, are you dugging already?
Looking for Jeff's bunker?
plasticsmith:Hang on ... I'll find the
url.
panta98:You mean, using the keyword 76P.
panta98:I'll do this later.
panta98:Excellent, Steve, we're waiting,
all in anxiety.
plasticsmith: http://www.millenngroup.com/repository/repository.html#NewestMaterial
plasticsmith:Don't bother digging...if
this is true there is no point
panta98:Carl, if it is not true, what is
behind the dissemination of such information,
cultivating extraterrestrial fears?
panta98:Thanks for the URL, Steve.
panta98:Tell us more about what you read
about it, in the meanwhile.
plasticsmith:It appears NASA is behind
covering it up at least
panta98:What do you think about the issue,
Steve?
plasticsmith:I don't know weather to believe
it or not. There is compelling evidence
panta98:Any specific information of when
it would hit Mars, or when it would pay us an
alien visit?
plasticsmith:July I think
ScnWrt:I visited the site. I will look
into it later.
panta98:A little glimpse of the "compelling
evidence", Steve.
plasticsmith:It all seems to be connected
to recent failures with NASA's Mars program.
panta98:Now, in July? Not today, the 4th.
It's the most appropriate day for such ventures
and adventures.
panta98:What do the failures have to do
with the coming of the Comet?
plasticsmith:Take a look at the site. It
does not seem to be the usual end of the world
nonsense
ScnWrt:Franz, the correct book title is
No
Ordinary Summer (2 volumes) by Konstantin
Fedin about the Russian Civil War in the
1920's. Surprisingly not the usual Stalinist crap,
and beautifully illustrated
panta98:Where did the information leak
out?
panta98:OK, Carl.
plasticsmith:I guess we'll find out in
August
panta98:Steve, did the information leak
out, or was it especially leaked out by NASA itself/
panta98:That would be too late, Steve.
plasticsmith:Hard to say...seems to be
layer upon layer of misinformation
panta98:I have to build a flying saucer
from Bill's book, to get the he.. out of here, pretty
soon.
panta98:Perhaps Tesla Technology could
still serve emancipatory measures.
ScnWrt:This Comet may prove that we have
bases on Mars, and the UFO's are USA flying
saucers, powered by Tesla free energy
plasticsmith:Has anyone noticed the increased
awareness in the media re tsunami warnings
on the east and west coasts of America?
ScnWrt:The saucers may destroy the Comet.
Emancipation by Comet 76P. Ironic.
panta98:That's even worse, Carl. it would
mean, that the Illuminati is packing their
suit-cases, and that they decided to end
the misery and poverty here, knowing that here is
nothing to save, to exploit anymore.
plasticsmith:The thing is...it is bound
to happen eventualy...why not next month...besides, if it
would be true, do you think they would
tell us.
ScnWrt:They may have to tell us .
panta98: Don't be too sure, Carl. Well,
this is stuff for a great new science fiction film,
greater than The War Of The Galaxies;
Hollywood probably is already making the film, with
Xena as super-starlet.
ScnWrt:Xena would be great .
plasticsmith:four super heros I can't remember
the details off hand but It was my thing
when I was a kid.
ScnWrt:The Thing, Invisible Girl, Human
Torch, Mr. Fantastic
plasticsmith:Ya Ya Ya
ScnWrt:Today, the Marvet main comic is
X-Men
panta98:Did you two clarify the issue of
the Comet in the meantime?
plasticsmith:Did you have something to
do with the creation of those characters?
panta98: Your Science Writing, Carl?
plasticsmith:The comet is still up there
Franz.
panta98:Thanks, Heavens! Let it stay up
there!!!
ScnWrt:The Comet-a character in MLJ comics
in the 60's
panta98:I see --- that's why they are called
Com -ics!
plasticsmith:It's a sad way to end all
these conspiricy theories, flattened by a comet...damn!
ScnWrt:Or proven by a comet.
panta98:You're right Steve, but the theories
are not worth much.
panta98:They don't need a comet to flatten
them.
plasticsmith:Every good discovery starts
with a theory
panta98:That would be excellent, Carl.
panta98:And ends up with a disaster.
ScnWrt:The theories are irrelevant. It's
the ideas and the events
panta98:For example, the atomic theory.
panta98:What do you guys think about the
new clone map?
plasticsmith:A comet in the Pacific would
be an event indead.
panta98:Clonema!
ScnWrt:Clonemind and body control
plasticsmith:as in human genom
panta98:an event "indead", not in deed,
not indeed!
ScnWrt:A war between the clones and the
reals.
ScnWrt:Are you for real or for clone?
panta98:There they are really advanced,
but I don't buy it that they completed the mapping
yesterday or yesteryear.
plasticsmith:Think about this...If we now
have the human genetic code worked out and the
shroud of turin is real and there is blood
on it that means for the first time in history we realy
can create the second coming
panta98:I, for that matter, I'm a clown!
panta98:A real clown.
plasticsmith:send in the clowns
panta98:I saw a documentation that proved
that the shroud is a farce.
ScnWrt:The mapping is irrelevant. The understanding
of proteins, how they're produced by
DNA, the meaning of their shapes are key--but
can be a disaster
panta98:Anyhow, Man made the First Coming,
many believed him.
panta98:So, it's no problem to make The
Second Coming.
plasticsmith:I also saw one that proved
it was authentic.
panta98:He made the last Supper, now he'll
provide us with a Cloned Breakfast, which will
be the breaking of the neck fast, fast
breaking! Break Fast.
panta98:Are you fasting already, Steve,
preparing for the Second Coming? Or do Free
Masons not fast?
plasticsmith: Franz...I love the way you
twist the English language
ScnWrt:Imagine manipulating the proteins
of the body--turning us into flies--Ghastly.
panta98:Me too, Steve! It's fun!
plasticsmith:So who came first God or Mary
panta98: NEITHER the Hen
Mary NOR the Egg God. Yes, I saw all versions
of "The Fly",
Jutta saw them too .... now we're flying
sky high, looking for flying saucers. The verb "fly" =
mind twisting, virtual motion.
ScnWrt:Twiusting the language is Derrida's
deconstruction.
panta98: Agreed.
ScnWrt:We'll see the saucers soon- - the
USA version
panta98:Imagine having Tlee Spling Lolls
and Flied Lice for a Japanese or Chinese Last
Supper.
ScnWrt:or Chinese Hung Low for the ladies.
plasticsmith: we are decomposing.
panta98:Yes, Steve, you'll like that: Now
I have japanized, jeopardized the English
Language.
plasticsmith:Let's take a look at this
comet thing...try to decide if it's bunk or possible in our
lifetime
ScnWrt has left the room.
panta98:But, getting to more serious things,
why would we see the flying saucers soon,
Carl?
panta98:Will it be the flight of the Illuminati,
as Batista did from Cuba?
ScnWrt has entered the room.
panta98:I just invited Carl back. I repeat
my questions to Carl.
panta98:But, getting to more serious things,
why would we see the flying saucers soon,
Carl?
plasticsmith:I have never seen a flying
saucer but then I have never seen the Empire State
Building but I believe it exists.
ScnWrt: Thanks. I can't save the chat now.
Steve, please save the chat. Thanks
panta98:Will it be the flight of the Illuminati,
as Batista did from Cuba?
plasticsmith:I'll save it...how
panta98:Well, Steve, what about Hell and
Heaven, you never saw them, how do you know
that they don't exist?
ScnWrt: At end of chat, click file on top
of AOL toolbar, then click save
plasticsmith:I don't...I just hope they
don't
panta98:By clicking FILE above, then SAVE,
and choose a place to save it, then click in a
name, and OK!
plasticsmith:Ok I'll save it
panta98:But, don't forget where you saved
it, and under what name, please click AOL
Enriched File, it's important.
plasticsmith:Ok I'll email it to you
ScnWrt:The saucers will extend the global
to a galactic economy-=colonize the planets - cheap
sources of minerals
panta98:Excelent! I also have everything
till now, except the short intermezzo, caused by the
black-out.
plasticsmith: And use us for lunch?
panta98:But, that would be excellent for
our economy, Carl. To provide jobs, and feed
billions.
ScnWrt:They will try to genetically engineer
humans to adapt to space colonies
panta98:And, what will they do to us, perhaps,
as Steve said, convert us into mince-meat,
into delicious British Mad Cow Disease
Hackfleisch???
plasticsmith:Why feed billions...it will
only lead to billions more who will in turn need to be
fed?
panta98:We would be excellent McNasa Burgers!!!
ScnWrt:They will need us to maintain Earth
and train clones. The billions will colonize
Space, not Earth
panta98:So, Steve, there are too much of
these creatures, who multiply themselves like rats
and rabbits, this must be stopped???
ScnWrt:The culture may be changing in sync
with technology
panta98:But those billions of China, India,
Asia, Africa and Latin America can barely survive
on Earth, how would they do it in space,
Carl?
plasticsmith:I agree. It's not thought
of as a humanitarian approach but if something is not
done we will be done
ScnWrt:MKULTRA, depopulation and similar
crap don't fit the new culture
ScnWrt:It's not humanitarian, but practical
and economical viable.
ScnWrt:humanitarianism.
panta98:Does it mean that a certain species,
who did not belong to homo sapiens sapiens, will
just die out, and that a new cloned species
will survive togther with the Illuminati? Or will the
Illuminati, the real homo sapiens sapiens
also perish, Carl?
ScnWrt:The new breed of Illuminati may
realize that the old way is self-destruct
panta98:The cloned new breed or the children
of the current Illuminati?
ScnWrt:The new breed will colonize the
planets and the old breed will maintain the Earth
panta98:What I'm trying to say is that
the current, the natural human beings, you and I, are
doomed to perish, within the next century.
plasticsmith:Does this line of thinking
mean the people who conceived Mkultra, Aids in Africa
and a hoast of other outrageous things
are correct in the big picture and I am a whining,
socalist victIm who was just wrong in my
small part.
panta98:We are "pre-historic" already,
future cloned generations will study our fossils, and
determine, that that was homo carlos
internetiensis.
plasticsmith:DEVOLUTION????
ScnWrt:Steve, It means they were incorrect
in the big picture and guys like you are the
heroes
panta98:That's a serious question, Steve!
What do you think that the answer should be?
plasticsmith:I think we are well on our
way in the process
panta98:On our way, whereto? To the "Promised
Land" or to the Land Without Any
Promises?
plasticsmith:What the answer should be
and what it will be depends on who is around to
write the history
panta98:That's my problem! Probably only
brains in a bowl will write that pre-history.
panta98:And cloned ones for that matter,
where their extremities are computers.
plasticsmith:I intend to be around ...baring
comets falling on my head
ScnWrt:I think the answer is in technology,
and the Illuminati realizes that unless they change
the culture, technology will consume them
panta98:Brains who neither need space nor
time; they won't move, they'll have a static
space, hence Motion will collapse.
plasticsmith:The point really is ...who
wins is right there, can there be no other way?
ScnWrt:We'll all be around Steve, because
we've got the thinking, the motion and the wisdom.
plasticsmith: I hope so!
plasticsmith:We humans do have some qualities
worth saving
ScnWrt:We know how to channel the technology,
and we've got lots of friends out there.
frogmobile has entered the room.
panta98:Technology is the destruction of
Nature, of the Illuminati's natural habitat; this went
so far already, crossed the Rubicon already,
reached the point of no return, hence, even
annihilating Technology would not make
any difference anymore. The Job of Annihilation
is already completed by Man and Technology!!!
panta98:Hi! Khalid!
plasticsmith:I for one am ready for a big
change in the world.
panta98: Not only "in the world", but "inside
a n d outside the world", Steve.
ScnWrt:The human mind is the fastest particle
accelerator.
frogmobile:Hi Franz
frogmobile:Hello Carl
ScnWrt:Hi, Khalid
frogmobile: Hello Steve
plasticsmith:Hi Khalid
panta98:Hi! Guy! Happy That You Cane. Celebrated
the 4th of July first? Or late Canada
day?
plasticsmith:how's things in
the East
ScnWrt:Or Venezuela Day?
frogmobile:I have always had fun on 4th
of July
frogmobile:The East is alright man
plasticsmith:just another day to me
panta98: Ex oriente
lux, Steve. In the East there happens always something new ---
the sun
rises there in Toronto!!!
frogmobile:Steve I read a lot about you
guys there in BC
ScnWrt:Bastille Day
panta98:Back To The Future, folks. Let's
continue. ....
ScnWrt:Aux armes, cityoens
frogmobile:Wow! Bastile day, Hail the French
!
panta98:Khalid, heard anything about a
strange comet, which is coming, trying to make
pan-cake out of you?
ScnWrt:My late Dad was of German descent,
and his view of the French...
plasticsmith:What did you read Khalid
frogmobile:No! I haven't heard of it
panta98:Well, we'll send you the manuscript.
frogmobile:Always of some NDP bashing
panta98:Steve broke the news that a new
Halley is heading straightfor Toronto!!!
plasticsmith:BC =wild west politics
panta98:But, it's still an "open secret".
frogmobile:Wow! well then we will have
to be careful with the religious lunatics
ScnWrt:What's NDP?
panta98:NDP was the German Nazi Party of
the sixties!
plasticsmith:New Democratic Party criminals
all of them
frogmobile:New Democratic Party-its social
democratic philosophically
ScnWrt:Why do you refer to the NDP?
panta98:Neue Demokratische Partei (NDP);
what a coincidence!
frogmobile:I never knew of them Franz
plasticsmith:Franz the book I sent you
has a dedication from dady McPherson...he was the
founder of the CCF in Canada. they went
on to become NDP. Comunist roots
frogmobile:Carl, the even NDP is right
wing today just like the social democrats in Germany
that is currently in power
frogmobile:What is the topic?
panta98:It's non=existent now, absorbed
by the skin-head hooligans, but it was their
fore-runner, and they published the "Soldaten-Zeitung"
(Soldiers' Newspaper) -- they were
ultra-right radicals in Germany throughout
the sixties, attacking the student movement in
Germany.
ScnWrt:They are at the stage of "socialism"
described in Friedrich Hayek's bookm The Road
to Serfdom
ScnWrt:book: The
plasticsmith:I don't know if there is even
that much political thinking in the party....just rip
off whatever you can while you are in power
seems to be the theme
ScnWrt:They are influenced by the stage
of the economy
panta98:The topic is The Future Development
Towards Globalization, the Transformations,
and "The Day Thereafter".
frogmobile:The skin heads in Germany are
notorious for violent attacks against immigrants
too
plasticsmith:This socialism is an excelent
method of population control
ScnWrt:They want tocontrolthe economy if
they think conditions are ripe
ScnWrt:to control the
panta98:What do you think about the Clone
Map, Clonema --- and why is it being published
now? To improve medicine, Drugs and health?
That's yourfield, guy!
ScnWrt:Depopulation=economy control
frogmobile:Well guy if they don't control
it someone else would do so. Who currently
controls the American economy?
plasticsmith:Welfare= government control
ScnWrt:Global big business
panta98:The poeple, Khalid, Rule By The
People, kratos of the demos, Democracy!!!
frogmobile:I am writing something on that
topic for the Mind Control Review
panta98:Well, you're always "good" for
surprizes!!!!
panta98:Give us a trailer, a summary of
your planned article.
ScnWrt:Read Hayek's book-The state of the
economy creates the conditions for control
plasticsmith:This is the biggest form of
mind control...have the population depend on you for
everything
frogmobile:Yes! sounds very simple Franz
but we know it is not what they say it is
frogmobile:No trailer for now wait until
it is finished
plasticsmith:I gota go...it's time to close
shop.
frogmobile:okay steve
plasticsmith:I'll save this part of the
chat
panta98:They are telling the truth, Khalid.
The only problem is that we never ever learn who
is the people. If we know that, then they
are telling us the truth. The only existing people on
this planet really and truly rules, defend
demoracy.
plasticsmith:Bye all....it was a slice
as usual
ScnWrt:Khalid, controlling genomes is the
first strep to controlling the proteins of our minds
and bodies
frogmobile:Carl the world's economy has
never been "free"
panta98:Steve, that's not fair! Leaving
us here all alone.
panta98:What happens if the comet hits
us?
frogmobile:I agree but they are many many
"unsolved mysteries" about the genome project
ScnWrt:Agreed, that's what Hayek says
plasticsmith has left the room.
panta98:No. Big Brother to protect us!!!
ScnWrt:Bye, Steve
frogmobile:The origin of the Genome project
goes back to the Manhattan school
panta98:What for example, khalid? Did they
not get the soul-gnome?
panta98:Proceed. ....
frogmobile:I don't know much about that
Franz, explain
panta98:Khalid, also save the manuscript
as from here, to avoid losses. My current here is
very unstable.
frogmobile:Wow! welcome to Venezuela
ScnWrt:The genome project precedes the
Manhattan Project.
panta98:Yes, also welcome to Guyana ---
the Land of Blacks, of Black-Outs, Cast-Outs!!!!
frogmobile:Correct Carl
ScnWrt:I'll save the part of the transcript
that I can save
panta98:Proceed, Khalid. ...
frogmobile:I'll be back in a minute, hold
on guys.
You have just entered room "ScnWrt Chat50."
frogmobile:Franz are eyou there
frogmobile:Okay Guy
panta98: OK! Just summarize your discussion
while I was in Black Land!
ScnWrt:Hi, Franz
frogmobile:seem as though you are back
panta98:Yes, how far are you with the topic?
frogmobile:The idea was to find out how
much DNA changes with biological alterations as a
result of the atomic bomb
panta98:I see, proceed. ...
ScnWrt:Khalid, I knew a victim of the atomic
bomb project. How do you think they knew to
look for DNA changes?
frogmobile:good question
panta98:Could it be that future "humans"
would live on "radio-activity", instead of oxygen,
and that they would die, if they take in
oxygen?
frogmobile:I guess given the propensity
of the bomb
panta98:That Chernobyl was an excellent
guinea-pig laboratory. And some other Soviet sites.
frogmobile:The Soviet were originally involved
in this project from as early as 1987
panta98:That Chernobyl was an excellent
guinea-pig laboratory. And some other Soviet sites.
frogmobile:Guys I think there is a lot of
hype about this project which is far from complete.
panta98:What is the relation between the
Gonome and the Manhattan project, Carl?
frogmobile:In each of your cells, there
is a little strand of chemicals- DNA - that contains a
complete set of instructions that make
a human being…3 billion secrets
panta98:Guy, still around?
frogmobile:So if you can figure out the
chemicals that make up these 3 billion steps, you
would have the blueprint for a human being.
panta98:And they claim to have resolved
these billions of "secrets"; that's what the
Millennium Map is all about?
frogmobile:But because DNA is so incredibly
small, how do you see these tiny chemicals?
frogmobile:You can start with a little
bit of human DNA, put in a computer, that literally
checks each rung of the ladder and “sees”
each chemical
panta98:That's the problem. Howdid they
"see" that what they claim that they have mapped,
they are also infinitesimal particles.
panta98:OK, I follow. ....
frogmobile:The chemicals have letter names.
Each rung is being decoded in the right order.
panta98:Yes. ...
frogmobile:After a few weeks, you see thousands
and thousands of rungs
panta98:OK. ...
frogmobile:Now the "joke" is if you can
figure out the use of each "rung" you eventually own
a patent on it
panta98:And how do you decipher 3 billion
sets of information, with their specific relations,
which go towards zillion zillions?
frogmobile:And this now impede scientific
research since you have to get permission to use
the information to carry out experiments
panta98:I can imagine the "patents"!
panta98:So patents stop patients from getting
cured. They told us that the whole thing is for
global health, to cure cancer, etc. ....
frogmobile:There is a technique called
"computoral technology" probably I don't have the
correct name right now
panta98:Never mind, continue explaining.
...
panta98:What does this computer technology
achieve?
frogmobile:Now if you can figure out the
use of each rung of the Ladder and can see the
"chemical" then BINGO
panta98:What precision, what data revelation?
Well, Gringo, I understand his Lingo! Bingo!!!
ScnWrt has entered the room.
frogmobile:it speeds up the ability to
see the "chemical" which explains its use and for what
genes can be targeted for research purposes
ScnWrt: Thanks, guys
frogmobile:carl, is back on the "attack"
ScnWrt:Is this a private chat?
frogmobile:Carl I was explaining the complexities
of the genome project and what process is
use to sequence the genses
ScnWrt:Please proceed, Khalid. I'm listening
panta98:Khalid explained a little about
the DN mapping, but in his article he'll do the rest.
ScnWrt:Excellent
frogmobile:In each of your cells, there
is a little strand of chemicals- DNA - that contains a
complete set of instructions that make
a human being…3 billion secrets
panta98:Khalid, what has this to do with
future intellectual labour and property?
frogmobile:carl I will explian the process
in the article because it is very difficult to do so in a
chat
panta98:Khalid, what has this to do with
future intellectual labour and property?
frogmobile:So if you can figure out the
chemicals that make up these 3 billion steps, you
would have the blueprint for a human being.
ScnWrt:Franz, intellectual labor-our mind
and body proteins. Genomes are key to
manipulating proteins
frogmobile:What do you think the Church
has to say about this?
frogmobile:Why are they so silent?
panta98:OK, now we're getting somewhere.
....
panta98:So, if we can find some material
of Jesus, we could clone him, clone God-Man?
frogmobile:I guess science is now proving
that there is God
frogmobile:Correct Carl
panta98:Mmmm ... interesting, continue.
...
frogmobile:I am more concerned about the
intellectual property issues
ScnWrt:The Curies found that radiation
impairs body proteins in the late 19th century. This
influenced the Manhattan project study
of scientists who were radiation victims
panta98:Where, How, Why???
frogmobile:that is who will own the data
panta98:OK, and the property issue?
frogmobile:Carl also the survivors of the
Atomic bomb
ScnWrt:Yep, Khalid
frogmobile:The Russians started their research
on this project in 1987 as well as the Italians
panta98:And the experiments in the Soviet
Union, in the South pacific and in the Nevada
Desert.
frogmobile:I am sure the French did too
panta98:Yes, in the South Pacific.
ScnWrt:And the Germans in testing the neutron
bomb in Lybia in World War II (Ask Bill
Lyne)
ScnWrt:Libya
panta98:But, why the patents, Khalid? For
what will they serve? To produce which "goods"?
How could that be a source of giga-profits?
panta98:Who will consume?
frogmobile:I think what interests the scientists
more is the individual variations of genes and
chromosomes of people in different parts
of the world
ScnWrt:Franz, control proteins-control
humanity-big giga profits
panta98:Agreed, carl.
frogmobile:Interesting Carl
panta98:No scientist is being financed
to satisfy his/her curiousity? Why all this?
frogmobile:It has a chance to advance medicne
but at the same time to make billion of dollars
frogmobile:Well guys there we have it...!
panta98:Where does intellectual labour
lead to? What about it's intellectual products? To
realize the trillions invested, the goods
must be consumed. Who will consume them?
otherwise, patents and property do not
serve any post-industrial or globalized capitalism.
ScnWrt:Create new diseases, depending on
individual susceptibilities, and the cures
frogmobile:ha! ha! very good Carl. excellent
panta98:The Africans can barely pay for
drugs to "heal" AIDS, now who will buy this "new
medicine" which would produce billions?
panta98:How much must you pay for a cure,
so that trillions of profit can jump out? Not a
dollar!
frogmobile:Once a patent is issued, for
17 years the ownship of a strip of DNA becomes
private property, so if scientists want
to work on it, you can charge them rent: It called
technological rent
ScnWrt:First they create diseases for the
developed world, and the affordable cures
panta98:Are they going to cure the Martians,
and they'll pay with Superman's most hated
mineral?
frogmobile:so they can spend money to boost
the stock market
panta98:But then the intellectual labourers
in the advanced countries would have to earn a
billion monthly, otherwise, the whole thing
is not worth a farthing.
frogmobile:Nope! the Intellectual laborers
are now forming their own companies
frogmobile:with their own patents
ScnWrt:Not billions, the cost of cures
will be affordable at the cost of control
panta98:I rather think that it is to be
placed in the service of destruction of capital, of physical
human labour power, of earthly resources,
of the "human race".
frogmobile:over 3,000 patents in this area
already
frogmobile:Interesting Guys
ScnWrt:Agreed, khalid. They may cure AIDS
in Africa- free to control Africa
frogmobile:True
panta98:At the moment on the world market,
the "goods", which cover 80% of global
turnover, cost millions, billions, each
one --- this is what counts, which "merges", and not
pills of oner $.
panta98:That's the problem. States consume,
and not individual intellectual workers, living in
Silicon valley.
panta98:Aeroplanes, Air-Bus, warplanes,
atomic submarines, etc.
frogmobile:Well to a certain degree
ScnWrt:The intellectual owners are forming
new States. L'etats c'est moi
panta98:The days of United Fruit's bananas
are over, even of the cloned ritalin tomatoes,
that's not what globalization or post-industrial
capitalism is about. Big Brother plays big, buys
and sells giga.
ScnWrt:Biotech control is stronger than
submarines, nuclear weapons, etc.
frogmobile:very true guys
ScnWrt:New Big brothers and sisters
ScnWrt:Big Biotekkies
panta98:Control, defence, do not produce
profits, they defend profits, cut big slices from
profits.
frogmobile:Big gigatekies too
panta98:Do you folks see my problem?
frogmobile:But remember the defence industry
spends over $850 billions annually
panta98:Spends, Khalid, not produces or
reproduces.
panta98:Spending is not Investing.
frogmobile:yes! you are right Franz
frogmobile:there is a big difference there
panta98:To spend your money is not reproducing
your money.
ScnWrt:Yes, Franz., but today profit control
is keyto running a global economy
frogmobile:Hi Jutta
ScnWrt:Spending money contributes to profits\
panta98:Yes, Carl. Microsoft, Bill Gates,
did not run into "profit control", he ran into the
monopoly game, advanced to oligopoly, and
he just has not got the "correct" backers, not
george Bush Jr. at his side, otherwise,
none of his profits would ever be controlled.
frogmobile:Interesting comment Franz
ScnWrt:Agreed, Franz. Profit control is
next
panta98:A capitalist, a capitalist system,
who controls profits is doomed to death. A capitalist
who does not make higher profits permanently
isthrown out of the race. the day when
capitalism controls profits, then we can
send lilies to his certain grave.
ScnWrt:The USA government's action vs.
Bill gates was to control Microsoft's profits
frogmobile:Very true Franz! So what's next
for this planet
frogmobile:Guys I am sorry however in a
few minutes I will have to go
ScnWrt:Franz, I'm referring to capitalists
who want to control the increase and decrease of
profits to control global business-a new
ball game
panta98:The Govt is not 'controlling profits',
that's the Platonic fairy tale, which it tells to
CNN onlookers, the government acts in the
name of its multi-nationals, who have to
advance, to make bigger profits, and it
acts as a bulwark to stop the neemy, the adversary.
Just that is happening, no "profit control"
whatsoever.
frogmobile:This why there is patent protection
panta98:If Bill Gates was on the right
side, he could merge and merge, but, he has greater
space exploration and colonization giga-companies
as enemies, as adversaries. They have to
be supported.
ScnWrt:I'm referring to profit control
by certain global capitalists through the USA
Government
frogmobile:The gov't protects one capitalists
monopoly against another
frogmobile:Capital is very fragmented
panta98:The only uncontrollable thing on
this planet is profit. The day when it is controlled,
you and I won, emancipation has reached
it's goal. No capitalist, no government will ever
control profits.
ScnWrt:Patent protection? An invention
isn't realized unless it's seized by a corportion
frogmobile:Yep
iiiiriiiis has entered the room.
ScnWrt:But global capital is owned by a
few owners-phoney conflicts
iiiiriiiis:Good morning all! Thanks Franz.
Hi Carl and Khalid!
ScnWrt:Hi, Iris
frogmobile:because no one else has the
know how on how to" maket" the ideas
ScnWrt:Guten morgen, Iris
frogmobile:Hello Iris, welcome goodmorning
frogmobile:Carl do you have access to PBS
station
ScnWrt:The new profit control-control economic
behavior-ntrol revenues and costs
panta98:A capitalist, a capitalist system,
who controls profits is doomed to death. A capitalist
who does not make higher profits permanently
isthrown out of the race. the day w
frogmobile:If you do tune on
ScnWrt:Yes Khalid. What's on PBS?
frogmobile:lovely music
ScnWrt:We've been listening tothe music
on PBS
panta98:the day when capitalism controls
profits, then we can send lilies to his certain grave.
frogmobile:because of the fragmentation
of capital various factions have political control
depending of which wing is in power
panta98:If Bill Gates was on the right
side, he could merge and merge, but, he has greater
space exploration and colonization giga-companies
as enemies, as adversaries. They have to
be supported.
panta98:If Bill Gates was on the right
side, he could merge and merge, but, he has greater
space exploration and colonization giga-companies
as enemies, as adversaries. They have to
be supported.
panta98:So, now you have an idea what we're
talking about. Join the fun!!!
frogmobile:If Bush takes over in November
the control changes
iiiiriiiis:please proceed, I'm trying to
join the boat!
frogmobile:But would it make that a difference
now that capital is now so globalized/
ScnWrt:Microsoft is a phase-AOL/Time Warner
will be top bannana-Internet and
Media-Communications control
panta98:The "different concept", Carl?
frogmobile:Now what's next in this gigabyte
game of economic monopoly
panta98:So, Carl, that's it, not government
"profit control".
ScnWrt:Profit-ontrol-he flow and utilization
ofcapital in motion
panta98:There is nothing more anarchic
and chaotic than capital, and it's flow. ....
panta98:To control capital, it's flow,
is to eliminate it.
frogmobile:have you guys realized that
the manufacturing sector is being replaced now by the
new economy
panta98:Power channelize Capital, and this
has no limits, the sky, the galaxy, is the limit, this
casino obeys no laws, it is, it makes its
own laws, willy-nilly.
ScnWrt:It's a shared government/private
economic monopoly in motion, static business is
passe. Control of the continuous flow of
capital
frogmobile:The Fords and GM's are now getting
more involved with internet based
technologies. The middle man that sells
car in the street corner will soon be out of a job.
iiiiriiiis:Sorry, Khalid - "new" economy
- what are you referring to, in which sense "new" ? -
Maybe you already discussed this before,
if so, please sum it up for me to give me an idea.
ScnWrt:Who owns the power is key
frogmobile:Iris the new information based
economy
iiiiriiiis:ok, thanks, Khalid.
panta98:If Capital could ever have been
controlled, if the flow of profits were ever guided,
we would not have been in this current
catastrophe.
frogmobile:that's obvious Franz
ScnWrt:Not really, Franz. This capital
flow control is for the benefit of a few at theexpense
of others
panta98:What was controlled, which flow,
when now the whole planet is heading towards a
total death. Not even the cockroaches will
survive this chaotic, anarchic onslaught of capital.
There's not much to control left, perhaps
only destruction in flux.
frogmobile:Also remember capital is always
looking at ways and means to spend their surplus
value is not a crisis could develop
panta98:To spend, no, Khalid, to invest.
....
frogmobile:Yes! that's what I meant sorry
panta98:The investors would lynch you,
if you would tell them tospend all their surplus
value.
iiiiriiiis:truely so...
frogmobile:Investment is the key to survival
panta98:And, why do you invest?
frogmobile:No they do not spend
panta98:To control your flow of capital,
to make less profits. ...?
panta98:Surely, not!
ScnWrt:Control of the flow and use of technology
is also key to survival today
panta98:A capitalist does not even care
whether he survives. He would even sell the rope
with which he is hanging himself, if that
would still bring profits.
ScnWrt:Control to make sure that a few
produce profits
frogmobile:That is why we are in the globalizing
phase of the world's economy. capital needs
unhindered access if not it is in trouble
frogmobile:yea! man
panta98:Well, that's what Microsoft wanted,
what Bill Gates wants, that a few, in the last
analysis, only he, makes profits.
ScnWrt:Khalid, agreed, but only a few have
unhindered access
frogmobile:The state intervenes to protect
other capitalists like netscape and others
frogmobile:yes! Carl
panta98:Capital is suffocating here on
earth, it landed in a stranded lift, without oxygen left;
here on this planet you cannot make the
nexessary giga-profits anymore. To be acapitalist,
you must make at least a trillion a year,
in the very near future. Otherwise, bye-bye --- off to
the Lumpenproletariat.
ScnWrt:Agreed, Khalid. But the same capitalists
own Microsoft, Netscape, Time Warner,
etc.
frogmobile:The netscapes owners has a close
connection with the democrats
frogmobile:True Carl but they are different
fragments of capital and control
ScnWrt:The top owners have close connections
with the Democrats and Republicans
panta98:Iris, still around? Rising up --
out of the Klumpenproletariat??
iiiiriiiis:Franz, still around. Logisch!
panta98:Khalid & Carl, I'm reading.
....
ScnWrt:Khalid, they manipulate the fragments
frogmobile:There is a very interesting
book by Ralph Miliban it is called The State in
capitalist Society... very interesting
indeed
frogmobile:Buy it guys
panta98:Is a "fragment" not already a lost
case, destroyed by Giga-Bulldozer-capital?
ScnWrt:I will read it.
frogmobile:That's an interesting question
Franz.
panta98:Yes, I know it, Khalid. But, that
New left Guy also has his limits.
panta98:And I know you are not exactly
a "chummy" of the New left.
frogmobile:I would like to think so Franz
but there are still crums of the order still hanging on
panta98:What is cracking, is fragmented,
is already on the ash-heep of history!
frogmobile:Franz I still find his book
interesting just like Mandel's
ScnWrt:Friedrich's Hayek's book "The Road
to Serfdom" is also interesting. Read it.
frogmobile:They at least laid the foundation
to understanding the economy
panta98:The very big ones tremble already,
why do you guys think that they are merging? if
not, they'll be fragmented, controlled
and reduced to mince-meat by the big war-tanks.
frogmobile:Okay Carl
iiiiriiiis:I'm following, please proceed....
ScnWrt:They've already merged, but not
due to fear
frogmobile:No they not trembling Franz
it is the competitive nature of the system that is
forcing them to merge
ScnWrt:TYhey are in control
ScnWrt:They are
frogmobile:The go for short term gain for
long term pain
panta98:Well, Guy. Adam Smith did it already.
And Marx and Mndel laid the foundations.
What more is there to understand about
the Essence of Capital. In the last hour I told you
above all that you need to know about the
essence of Capital and capitalim. Enjoy this
"foundation"!
panta98:The thing is very easy to understand.
Try it with your little nieces, and you'll see.
panta98:Tell them to choose between two
delicious chocolates, and they'll merge, by taking
both.
panta98:That's what's happening now on
a global scale.
ScnWrt:Franz, we need to explore how capital
manipulates culture and technology, more
complex today
ScnWrt:They want to eat all the chocolates.
ScnWrt:OK, Khalid
panta98:Not much different than always,
Carl. All you need to know is that Capital and
Capitalism manipulates, and find the antidote
against all degrees and forms of any type of
manipulation, indoctrination, ideology,
mind control.
panta98:That's what we're doing right here,
and on all our Home Pages. I don't think that
knowing more would help more.
frogmobile:The foundation is what have
given me an understanding of what's going on today
panta98:It's already crystal-clear what
it's all about. Studying too much causes headaches,
put action and thought out of action.
ScnWrt:Except, today we need to understand
the flow and motion of culture and technology
iiiiriiiis:Agreed, Franz.
panta98:I am not even sure that anythingis
flowing at all around here.
panta98:Perhaps a flow towards death, in
other words, dying.
ScnWrt:It's flowing-continuous permanent
change. We gotta convert this to a continuous,
flowing, permanent Revolution.
panta98:We are sprouting, germing, germinating,
blooming, blossoming, that'sthe "culture",
the vital culture, viticulture wgich we
should study.
ScnWrt:Agreed, Franz
ScnWrt:The emancipatory culture
panta98:That's it, Carl. Let the grave-diggers
dig their own flowing, controlled graves.
ScnWrt:Agreed, Franz
panta98:You don't beat a dead dog.
panta98:Guys, Jutta is waiting too. Let's
stop here for today. I'll send you my part, it's nearly
complete, only about 10 sentences should
be absent.
panta98:Bye! Khalid, send me what you have.
ScnWrt:OK, Gute Nacht, Franz
panta98:I'll complete the whole manuscript.
panta98:You too, Carl.
ScnWrt:Gute Nacht, Iris
panta98:Your part, Iris, I have complete.
iiiiriiiis:Ok then, Gute Nacht, Carl!
panta98:Gute Nacht, Carl. It was great
4th of July Fun!!!
ScnWrt:Give our regards to Jutta
panta98:Any aliens around? You saw any?
Among the fireworks?
ScnWrt:Outstanding chat
ScnWrt:Bye, folks!
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