P A N D E M O N I U M

       AOL TUESDAY EVENING INTERNATIONAL CHAT

                          CARL, STEVE, KHALID, IRIS & FRANZ

         TOPIC:   THE 4TH OF JULY, UFOS, COMET 76P, END TIMES, CLONES,
                           MULTINATIONALS, BIG BUSINESS, EMANCIPATION

                               July 4, 2000 Chat                      (Slightly, Corrected Version.)


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     You have just entered room "ScnWrt Chat50."
     panta98:Hi! Carl!
     ScnWrt: Hi, Franz
     panta98:Today, we've bad luck. Everybody is at some kind of festival, either celebrating or
     working there; either Canada Day or July the 4th. Tomorrow it is Venezuela Day, and we'll
     celebrate.
     panta98:Bill is going to Santa Fe.
     panta98:Iris is working.
     ScnWrt:Great. In a while, guests will arrive and Fran & I will celebrate with them
     panta98:Khalid and Steve did not reply.
     panta98:Jutta is as busy as a bee.
     panta98:Hence, the chat will have to be postponed till next week.
     panta98:But, you and i could chat for a while.
     ScnWrt:Steve just joined AOL. I'll invite him
     panta98:So, no problem, Carl. In "spirit", Jutta and I will be celebrating with you.
     panta98:OK!
     ScnWrt: The Spirit of 76 .
     plasticsmith has entered the room.
     panta98:I'm waiting!
     ScnWrt:Fran&I saw the new USA movie The Patriot with Mel Gibson about the USA
     Revolution
     ScnWrt:Hi, Steve
     plasticsmith: Hey all...finaly I made it
     panta98:Hi! Steve! Are you also celebrating July the 4th?
     plasticsmith: Not here ... that's US
     panta98:A pleasure to have you around. Greetings to you and Sonoko from Jutta. Also to
     Carl.
     ScnWrt:Celebrated Canada Day on July 1
     panta98:But, you celebrated Canada Day, Steve?
     plasticsmith: Canada was July first but I'm not so patriotic as you can imagine.
     panta98:Oh! I see, Steve!!!
     ScnWrt:Greetings to Franz, Jutta, Steve and Sonoko from Fran
     plasticsmith: I learned a long time ago..Canada is not what it seems to the rest of the world
     ScnWrt:What is Canada Day about?
     panta98:Bill sent a nice appreciation of the American colonial revolution. I forwarded it to
     you all.
     ScnWrt:I read it
     panta98:Yes, Steve, could you tell us.
     ScnWrt:Bill's note was excellent
     plasticsmith:I have no idea what it is about. some sort of propaganda brainwash I think
     panta98:Yes,
     panta98:Steve, we've a slight problem, the rest of the Crew can't attend, and Carl has to
     leave soon too.
     ScnWrt:Franz, what is Venezuela Day (tomorrow) about?
     plasticsmith:Oh well..shall we continue anyway
     panta98:Venezuela became independent on July 5, 1811; that's what they are celebrating
     tomorrow.
     ScnWrt:Independent?
     plasticsmith:Franz..I sent a book to you a few days ago. It is a rare collectors item I think
     You will enjoy it
     panta98:Well, as long as Carl is not yet called for supper, we could continue.
     ScnWrt:Steve, What's the book title?
     panta98:Thanks, Steve. It'll arrive in about two weeks' time.
     plasticsmith:An original copy of the USSR constitution published in 1947
     ScnWrt:Interesting
     panta98:Excellent, Steve. It interests me.
     plasticsmith:It has a hand written dedication from the man who was the founder of the NDP
     political party in Canada to his daughter
     panta98:What do you folks suggest? Should we in a simple manner introduce our theme for
     tonight, or should we postpone it for next time? What do you think, Carl?
     plasticsmith:Have you all heard anything about a comet called 76P?
     ScnWrt:I have an original collector's item Soviet novel "Quiet flows the Don" by Konstantin
     Simonov in English (1947)
     panta98:And just continue with our current casual chat.
     ScnWrt:Contnue with our casual chat
     panta98:What's the central theme, Carl?
     panta98:I agree.
     plasticsmith:This is serious stuff. It does not look like the usual paranoid end of the world
     stuff ... this thing may well hit us ... soon
     panta98:Comet 76P? Steve, what's that?
     panta98:What? Tell us more about it!
     plasticsmith:It's a comet that appears to be heading for a colision with us or Mars and NASA
     knows it
     panta98: From where did you get this exquisite confidential information, Steve?
     ScnWrt:When is it expected to hit?
     plasticsmith:The internet is buzzing with it ... just look up 76P
     panta98:Carl, are you dugging already? Looking for Jeff's bunker?
     plasticsmith:Hang on ... I'll find the url.
     panta98:You mean, using the keyword 76P.
     panta98:I'll do this later.
     panta98:Excellent, Steve, we're waiting, all in anxiety.
     plasticsmith: http://www.millenngroup.com/repository/repository.html#NewestMaterial
     plasticsmith:Don't bother digging...if this is true there is no point
     panta98:Carl, if it is not true, what is behind the dissemination of such information,
     cultivating extraterrestrial fears?
     panta98:Thanks for the URL, Steve.
     panta98:Tell us more about what you read about it, in the meanwhile.
     plasticsmith:It appears NASA is behind covering it up at least
     panta98:What do you think about the issue, Steve?
     plasticsmith:I don't know weather to believe it or not. There is compelling evidence
     panta98:Any specific information of when it would hit Mars, or when it would pay us an
     alien visit?
     plasticsmith:July I think
     ScnWrt:I visited the site. I will look into it later.
     panta98:A little glimpse of the "compelling evidence", Steve.
     plasticsmith:It all seems to be connected to recent failures with NASA's Mars program.
     panta98:Now, in July? Not today, the 4th. It's the most appropriate day for such ventures
     and adventures.
     panta98:What do the failures have to do with the coming of the Comet?
     plasticsmith:Take a look at the site. It does not seem to be the usual end of the world
     nonsense
     ScnWrt:Franz, the correct book title is No Ordinary Summer (2 volumes) by Konstantin
     Fedin about the Russian Civil War in the 1920's. Surprisingly not the usual Stalinist crap,
     and beautifully illustrated
     panta98:Where did the information leak out?
     panta98:OK, Carl.
     plasticsmith:I guess we'll find out in August
     panta98:Steve, did the information leak out, or was it especially leaked out by NASA itself/
     panta98:That would be too late, Steve.
     plasticsmith:Hard to say...seems to be layer upon layer of misinformation
     panta98:I have to build a flying saucer from Bill's book, to get the he.. out of here, pretty
     soon.
     panta98:Perhaps Tesla Technology could still serve emancipatory measures.
     ScnWrt:This Comet may prove that we have bases on Mars, and the UFO's are USA flying
     saucers, powered by Tesla free energy
     plasticsmith:Has anyone noticed the increased awareness in the media re tsunami warnings
     on the east and west coasts of America?
     ScnWrt:The saucers may destroy the Comet. Emancipation by Comet 76P. Ironic.
     panta98:That's even worse, Carl. it would mean, that the Illuminati is packing their
     suit-cases, and that they decided to end the misery and poverty here, knowing that here is
     nothing to save, to exploit anymore.
     plasticsmith:The thing is...it is bound to happen eventualy...why not next month...besides, if it
     would be true, do you think they would tell us.
     ScnWrt:They may have to tell us .
     panta98: Don't be too sure, Carl. Well, this is stuff for a great new science fiction film,
     greater than The War Of The Galaxies; Hollywood probably is already making the film, with
     Xena as super-starlet.
     ScnWrt:Xena would be great .

     plasticsmith:four super heros I can't remember the details off hand but It was my thing
     when I was a kid.
     ScnWrt:The Thing, Invisible Girl, Human Torch, Mr. Fantastic
     plasticsmith:Ya Ya Ya
     ScnWrt:Today, the Marvet main comic is X-Men
     panta98:Did you two clarify the issue of the Comet in the meantime?
     plasticsmith:Did you have something to do with the creation of those characters?
     panta98: Your Science Writing, Carl?
     plasticsmith:The comet is still up there Franz.
     panta98:Thanks, Heavens! Let it stay up there!!!
     ScnWrt:The Comet-a character in MLJ comics in the 60's
     panta98:I see --- that's why they are called Com -ics!
     plasticsmith:It's a sad way to end all these conspiricy theories, flattened by a comet...damn!
     ScnWrt:Or proven by a comet.
     panta98:You're right Steve, but the theories are not worth much.
     panta98:They don't need a comet to flatten them.
     plasticsmith:Every good discovery starts with a theory
     panta98:That would be excellent, Carl.
     panta98:And ends up with a disaster.
     ScnWrt:The theories are irrelevant. It's the ideas and the events
     panta98:For example, the atomic theory.
     panta98:What do you guys think about the new clone map?
     plasticsmith:A comet in the Pacific would be an event indead.
     panta98:Clonema!
     ScnWrt:Clonemind and body control
     plasticsmith:as in human genom
     panta98:an event "indead", not in deed, not indeed!
     ScnWrt:A war between the clones and the reals.
     ScnWrt:Are you for real or for clone?
     panta98:There they are really advanced, but I don't buy it that they completed the mapping
     yesterday or yesteryear.
     plasticsmith:Think about this...If we now have the human genetic code worked out and the
     shroud of turin is real and there is blood on it that means for the first time in history we realy
     can create the second coming
     panta98:I, for that matter, I'm a clown!
     panta98:A real clown.
     plasticsmith:send in the clowns
     panta98:I saw a documentation that proved that the shroud is a farce.
     ScnWrt:The mapping is irrelevant. The understanding of proteins, how they're produced by
     DNA, the meaning of their shapes are key--but can be a disaster
     panta98:Anyhow, Man made the First Coming, many believed him.
     panta98:So, it's no problem to make The Second Coming.
     plasticsmith:I also saw one that proved it was authentic.
     panta98:He made the last Supper, now he'll provide us with a Cloned Breakfast, which will
     be the breaking of the neck fast, fast breaking! Break Fast.
     panta98:Are you fasting already, Steve, preparing for the Second Coming? Or do Free
     Masons not fast?
     plasticsmith: Franz...I love the way you twist the English language
     ScnWrt:Imagine manipulating the proteins of the body--turning us into flies--Ghastly.
     panta98:Me too, Steve! It's fun!
     plasticsmith:So who came first God or Mary
     panta98: NEITHER the Hen Mary NOR the Egg God. Yes, I saw all versions of "The Fly",
     Jutta saw them too .... now we're flying sky high, looking for flying saucers. The verb "fly" =
     mind twisting, virtual motion.
     ScnWrt:Twiusting the language is Derrida's deconstruction.
     panta98: Agreed.
     ScnWrt:We'll see the saucers soon- - the USA version
     panta98:Imagine having Tlee Spling Lolls and Flied Lice for a Japanese or Chinese Last
     Supper.
     ScnWrt:or Chinese Hung Low for the ladies.
     plasticsmith: we are decomposing.
     panta98:Yes, Steve, you'll like that: Now I have japanized, jeopardized the English
     Language.
     plasticsmith:Let's take a look at this comet thing...try to decide if it's bunk or possible in our
     lifetime
     ScnWrt has left the room.
     panta98:But, getting to more serious things, why would we see the flying saucers soon,
     Carl?
     panta98:Will it be the flight of the Illuminati, as Batista did from Cuba?
     ScnWrt has entered the room.
     panta98:I just invited Carl back. I repeat my questions to Carl.
     panta98:But, getting to more serious things, why would we see the flying saucers soon,
     Carl?
     plasticsmith:I have never seen a flying saucer but then I have never seen the Empire State
     Building but I believe it exists.
     ScnWrt: Thanks. I can't save the chat now. Steve, please save the chat. Thanks
     panta98:Will it be the flight of the Illuminati, as Batista did from Cuba?
     plasticsmith:I'll save it...how
     panta98:Well, Steve, what about Hell and Heaven, you never saw them, how do you know
     that they don't exist?
     ScnWrt: At end of chat, click file on top of AOL toolbar, then click save
     plasticsmith:I don't...I just hope they don't
     panta98:By clicking FILE above, then SAVE, and choose a place to save it, then click in a
     name, and OK!
     plasticsmith:Ok I'll save it
     panta98:But, don't forget where you saved it, and under what name, please click AOL
     Enriched File, it's important.
     plasticsmith:Ok I'll email it to you
     ScnWrt:The saucers will extend the global to a galactic economy-=colonize the planets - cheap
     sources of minerals
     panta98:Excelent! I also have everything till now, except the short intermezzo, caused by the
     black-out.
     plasticsmith: And use us for lunch?
     panta98:But, that would be excellent for our economy, Carl. To provide jobs, and feed
     billions.
     ScnWrt:They will try to genetically engineer humans to adapt to space colonies
     panta98:And, what will they do to us, perhaps, as Steve said, convert us into mince-meat,
     into delicious British Mad Cow Disease Hackfleisch???
     plasticsmith:Why feed billions...it will only lead to billions more who will in turn need to be
     fed?
     panta98:We would be excellent McNasa Burgers!!!
     ScnWrt:They will need us to maintain Earth and train clones. The billions will colonize
     Space, not Earth
     panta98:So, Steve, there are too much of these creatures, who multiply themselves like rats
     and rabbits, this must be stopped???
     ScnWrt:The culture may be changing in sync with technology
     panta98:But those billions of China, India, Asia, Africa and Latin America can barely survive
     on Earth, how would they do it in space, Carl?
     plasticsmith:I agree. It's not thought of as a humanitarian approach but if something is not
     done we will be done
     ScnWrt:MKULTRA, depopulation and similar crap don't fit the new culture
     ScnWrt:It's not humanitarian, but practical and economical viable.
     ScnWrt:humanitarianism.
     panta98:Does it mean that a certain species, who did not belong to homo sapiens sapiens, will
     just die out, and that a new cloned species will survive togther with the Illuminati? Or will the
     Illuminati, the real homo sapiens sapiens also perish, Carl?
     ScnWrt:The new breed of Illuminati may realize that the old way is self-destruct
     panta98:The cloned new breed or the children of the current Illuminati?
     ScnWrt:The new breed will colonize the planets and the old breed will maintain the Earth
     panta98:What I'm trying to say is that the current, the natural human beings, you and I, are
     doomed to perish, within the next century.
     plasticsmith:Does this line of thinking mean the people who conceived Mkultra, Aids in Africa
     and a hoast of other outrageous things are correct in the big picture and I am a whining,
     socalist victIm who was just wrong in my small part.
     panta98:We are "pre-historic" already, future cloned generations will study our fossils, and
     determine, that that was homo carlos internetiensis.
     plasticsmith:DEVOLUTION????
     ScnWrt:Steve, It means they were incorrect in the big picture and guys like you are the
     heroes
     panta98:That's a serious question, Steve! What do you think that the answer should be?
     plasticsmith:I think we are well on our way in the process
     panta98:On our way, whereto? To the "Promised Land" or to the Land Without Any
     Promises?
     plasticsmith:What the answer should be and what it will be depends on who is around to
     write the history
     panta98:That's my problem! Probably only brains in a bowl will write that pre-history.
     panta98:And cloned ones for that matter, where their extremities are computers.
     plasticsmith:I intend to be around ...baring comets falling on my head
     ScnWrt:I think the answer is in technology, and the Illuminati realizes that unless they change
     the culture, technology will consume them
     panta98:Brains who neither need space nor time; they won't move, they'll have a static
     space, hence Motion will collapse.
     plasticsmith:The point really is ...who wins is right there, can there be no other way?
     ScnWrt:We'll all be around Steve, because we've got the thinking, the motion and the wisdom.

     plasticsmith: I hope so!
     plasticsmith:We humans do have some qualities worth saving
     ScnWrt:We know how to channel the technology, and we've got lots of friends out there.
     frogmobile has entered the room.
     panta98:Technology is the destruction of Nature, of the Illuminati's natural habitat; this went
     so far already, crossed the Rubicon already, reached the point of no return, hence, even
     annihilating Technology would not make any difference anymore. The Job of Annihilation
     is already completed by Man and Technology!!!
     panta98:Hi! Khalid!
     plasticsmith:I for one am ready for a big change in the world.
     panta98: Not only "in the world", but "inside  a n d  outside the world", Steve.
     ScnWrt:The human mind is the fastest particle accelerator.
     frogmobile:Hi Franz
     frogmobile:Hello Carl
     ScnWrt:Hi, Khalid
     frogmobile: Hello Steve
     plasticsmith:Hi Khalid
     panta98:Hi! Guy! Happy That You Cane. Celebrated the 4th of July first? Or late Canada
     day?
       plasticsmith:how's things in the East
     ScnWrt:Or Venezuela Day?
     frogmobile:I have always had fun on 4th of July
     frogmobile:The East is alright man
     plasticsmith:just another day to me
     panta98: Ex oriente lux, Steve. In the East there happens always something new --- the sun
     rises there in Toronto!!!
     frogmobile:Steve I read a lot about you guys there in BC
     ScnWrt:Bastille Day
     panta98:Back To The Future, folks. Let's continue. ....
     ScnWrt:Aux armes, cityoens
     frogmobile:Wow! Bastile day, Hail the French !
     panta98:Khalid, heard anything about a strange comet, which is coming, trying to make
     pan-cake out of you?
     ScnWrt:My late Dad was of German descent, and his view of the French...
     plasticsmith:What did you read Khalid
     frogmobile:No! I haven't heard of it
     panta98:Well, we'll send you the manuscript.
     frogmobile:Always of some NDP bashing
     panta98:Steve broke the news that a new Halley is heading straightfor Toronto!!!
     plasticsmith:BC =wild west politics
     panta98:But, it's still an "open secret".
     frogmobile:Wow! well then we will have to be careful with the religious lunatics
     ScnWrt:What's NDP?
     panta98:NDP was the German Nazi Party of the sixties!
     plasticsmith:New Democratic Party criminals all of them
     frogmobile:New Democratic Party-its social democratic philosophically
     ScnWrt:Why do you refer to the NDP?
     panta98:Neue Demokratische Partei (NDP); what a coincidence!
     frogmobile:I never knew of them Franz
     plasticsmith:Franz the book I sent you has a dedication from dady McPherson...he was the
     founder of the CCF in Canada. they went on to become NDP. Comunist roots
     frogmobile:Carl, the even NDP is right wing today just like the social democrats in Germany
     that is currently in power
     frogmobile:What is the topic?
     panta98:It's non=existent now, absorbed by the skin-head hooligans, but it was their
     fore-runner, and they published the "Soldaten-Zeitung" (Soldiers' Newspaper) -- they were
     ultra-right radicals in Germany throughout the sixties, attacking the student movement in
     Germany.
     ScnWrt:They are at the stage of "socialism" described in Friedrich Hayek's bookm The Road
     to Serfdom
     ScnWrt:book: The
     plasticsmith:I don't know if there is even that much political thinking in the party....just rip
     off whatever you can while you are in power seems to be the theme
     ScnWrt:They are influenced by the stage of the economy
     panta98:The topic is The Future Development Towards Globalization, the Transformations,
     and "The Day Thereafter".
     frogmobile:The skin heads in Germany are notorious for violent attacks against immigrants
     too
     plasticsmith:This socialism is an excelent method of population control
     ScnWrt:They want tocontrolthe economy if they think conditions are ripe
     ScnWrt:to control the
     panta98:What do you think about the Clone Map, Clonema --- and why is it being published
     now? To improve medicine, Drugs and health? That's yourfield, guy!
     ScnWrt:Depopulation=economy control
     frogmobile:Well guy if they don't control it someone else would do so. Who currently
     controls the American economy?
     plasticsmith:Welfare= government control
     ScnWrt:Global big business
     panta98:The poeple, Khalid, Rule By The People, kratos of the demos, Democracy!!!
     frogmobile:I am writing something on that topic for the Mind Control Review
     panta98:Well, you're always "good" for surprizes!!!!
     panta98:Give us a trailer, a summary of your planned article.
     ScnWrt:Read Hayek's book-The state of the economy creates the conditions for control
     plasticsmith:This is the biggest form of mind control...have the population depend on you for
     everything
     frogmobile:Yes! sounds very simple Franz but we know it is not what they say it is
     frogmobile:No trailer for now wait until it is finished
     plasticsmith:I gota go...it's time to close shop.
     frogmobile:okay steve
     plasticsmith:I'll save this part of the chat
     panta98:They are telling the truth, Khalid. The only problem is that we never ever learn who
     is the people. If we know that, then they are telling us the truth. The only existing people on
     this planet really and truly rules, defend demoracy.
     plasticsmith:Bye all....it was a slice as usual
     ScnWrt:Khalid, controlling genomes is the first strep to controlling the proteins of our minds
     and bodies
     frogmobile:Carl the world's economy has never been "free"
     panta98:Steve, that's not fair! Leaving us here all alone.
     panta98:What happens if the comet hits us?
     frogmobile:I agree but they are many many "unsolved mysteries" about the genome project
     ScnWrt:Agreed, that's what Hayek says
     plasticsmith has left the room.
     panta98:No. Big Brother to protect us!!!
     ScnWrt:Bye, Steve
     frogmobile:The origin of the Genome project goes back to the Manhattan school
     panta98:What for example, khalid? Did they not get the soul-gnome?
     panta98:Proceed. ....
     frogmobile:I don't know much about that Franz, explain
     panta98:Khalid, also save the manuscript as from here, to avoid losses. My current here is
     very unstable.
     frogmobile:Wow! welcome to Venezuela
     ScnWrt:The genome project precedes the Manhattan Project.
     panta98:Yes, also welcome to Guyana --- the Land of Blacks, of Black-Outs, Cast-Outs!!!!
     frogmobile:Correct Carl
     ScnWrt:I'll save the part of the transcript that I can save
     panta98:Proceed, Khalid. ...
     frogmobile:I'll be back in a minute, hold on guys.

     You have just entered room "ScnWrt Chat50."
     frogmobile:Franz are eyou there
     frogmobile:Okay Guy
     panta98: OK! Just summarize your discussion while I was in Black Land!
     ScnWrt:Hi, Franz
     frogmobile:seem as though you are back
     panta98:Yes, how far are you with the topic?
     frogmobile:The idea was to find out how much DNA changes with biological alterations as a
     result of the atomic bomb
     panta98:I see, proceed. ...
     ScnWrt:Khalid, I knew a victim of the atomic bomb project. How do you think they knew to
     look for DNA changes?
     frogmobile:good question
     panta98:Could it be that future "humans" would live on "radio-activity", instead of oxygen,
     and that they would die, if they take in oxygen?
     frogmobile:I guess given the propensity of the bomb
     panta98:That Chernobyl was an excellent guinea-pig laboratory. And some other Soviet sites.

     frogmobile:The Soviet were originally involved in this project from as early as 1987
     panta98:That Chernobyl was an excellent guinea-pig laboratory. And some other Soviet sites.

     frogmobile:Guys I think there is a lot of hype about this project which is far from complete.
     panta98:What is the relation between the Gonome and the Manhattan project, Carl?
     frogmobile:In each of your cells, there is a little strand of chemicals- DNA - that contains a
     complete set of instructions that make a human being…3 billion secrets
     panta98:Guy, still around?
     frogmobile:So if you can figure out the chemicals that make up these 3 billion steps, you
     would have the blueprint for a human being.
     panta98:And they claim to have resolved these billions of "secrets"; that's what the
     Millennium Map is all about?
     frogmobile:But because DNA is so incredibly small, how do you see these tiny chemicals?
     frogmobile:You can start with a little bit of human DNA, put in a computer, that literally
     checks each rung of the ladder and “sees” each chemical
     panta98:That's the problem. Howdid they "see" that what they claim that they have mapped,
     they are also infinitesimal particles.
     panta98:OK, I follow. ....
     frogmobile:The chemicals have letter names. Each rung is being decoded in the right order.
     panta98:Yes. ...
     frogmobile:After a few weeks, you see thousands and thousands of rungs
     panta98:OK. ...
     frogmobile:Now the "joke" is if you can figure out the use of each "rung" you eventually own
     a patent on it
     panta98:And how do you decipher 3 billion sets of information, with their specific relations,
     which go towards zillion zillions?
     frogmobile:And this now impede scientific research since you have to get permission to use
     the information to carry out experiments
     panta98:I can imagine the "patents"!
     panta98:So patents stop patients from getting cured. They told us that the whole thing is for
     global health, to cure cancer, etc. ....
     frogmobile:There is a technique called "computoral technology" probably I don't have the
     correct name right now
     panta98:Never mind, continue explaining. ...
     panta98:What does this computer technology achieve?
     frogmobile:Now if you can figure out the use of each rung of the Ladder and can see the
     "chemical" then BINGO
     panta98:What precision, what data revelation? Well, Gringo, I understand his Lingo! Bingo!!!

     ScnWrt has entered the room.
     frogmobile:it speeds up the ability to see the "chemical" which explains its use and for what
     genes can be targeted for research purposes
     ScnWrt: Thanks, guys
     frogmobile:carl, is back on the "attack"
     ScnWrt:Is this a private chat?
     frogmobile:Carl I was explaining the complexities of the genome project and what process is
     use to sequence the genses
     ScnWrt:Please proceed, Khalid. I'm listening
     panta98:Khalid explained a little about the DN mapping, but in his article he'll do the rest.
     ScnWrt:Excellent
     frogmobile:In each of your cells, there is a little strand of chemicals- DNA - that contains a
     complete set of instructions that make a human being…3 billion secrets
     panta98:Khalid, what has this to do with future intellectual labour and property?
     frogmobile:carl I will explian the process in the article because it is very difficult to do so in a
     chat
     panta98:Khalid, what has this to do with future intellectual labour and property?
     frogmobile:So if you can figure out the chemicals that make up these 3 billion steps, you
     would have the blueprint for a human being.
     ScnWrt:Franz, intellectual labor-our mind and body proteins. Genomes are key to
     manipulating proteins
     frogmobile:What do you think the Church has to say about this?
     frogmobile:Why are they so silent?
     panta98:OK, now we're getting somewhere. ....
     panta98:So, if we can find some material of Jesus, we could clone him, clone God-Man?
     frogmobile:I guess science is now proving that there is God
     frogmobile:Correct Carl
     panta98:Mmmm ... interesting, continue. ...
     frogmobile:I am more concerned about the intellectual property issues
     ScnWrt:The Curies found that radiation impairs body proteins in the late 19th century. This
     influenced the Manhattan project study of scientists who were radiation victims
     panta98:Where, How, Why???
     frogmobile:that is who will own the data
     panta98:OK, and the property issue?
     frogmobile:Carl also the survivors of the Atomic bomb
     ScnWrt:Yep, Khalid
     frogmobile:The Russians started their research on this project in 1987 as well as the Italians
     panta98:And the experiments in the Soviet Union, in the South pacific and in the Nevada
     Desert.
     frogmobile:I am sure the French did too
     panta98:Yes, in the South Pacific.
     ScnWrt:And the Germans in testing the neutron bomb in Lybia in World War II (Ask Bill
     Lyne)
     ScnWrt:Libya
     panta98:But, why the patents, Khalid? For what will they serve? To produce which "goods"?
     How could that be a source of giga-profits?
     panta98:Who will consume?
     frogmobile:I think what interests the scientists more is the individual variations of genes and
     chromosomes of people in different parts of the world
     ScnWrt:Franz, control proteins-control humanity-big giga profits
     panta98:Agreed, carl.
     frogmobile:Interesting Carl
     panta98:No scientist is being financed to satisfy his/her curiousity? Why all this?
     frogmobile:It has a chance to advance medicne but at the same time to make billion of dollars

     frogmobile:Well guys there we have it...!
     panta98:Where does intellectual labour lead to? What about it's intellectual products? To
     realize the trillions invested, the goods must be consumed. Who will consume them?
     otherwise, patents and property do not serve any post-industrial or globalized capitalism.
     ScnWrt:Create new diseases, depending on individual susceptibilities, and the cures
     frogmobile:ha! ha! very good Carl. excellent
     panta98:The Africans can barely pay for drugs to "heal" AIDS, now who will buy this "new
     medicine" which would produce billions?
     panta98:How much must you pay for a cure, so that trillions of profit can jump out? Not a
     dollar!
     frogmobile:Once a patent is issued, for 17 years the ownship of a strip of DNA becomes
     private property, so if scientists want to work on it, you can charge them rent: It called
     technological rent
     ScnWrt:First they create diseases for the developed world, and the affordable cures
     panta98:Are they going to cure the Martians, and they'll pay with Superman's most hated
     mineral?
     frogmobile:so they can spend money to boost the stock market
     panta98:But then the intellectual labourers in the advanced countries would have to earn a
     billion monthly, otherwise, the whole thing is not worth a farthing.
     frogmobile:Nope! the Intellectual laborers are now forming their own companies
     frogmobile:with their own patents
     ScnWrt:Not billions, the cost of cures will be affordable at the cost of control
     panta98:I rather think that it is to be placed in the service of destruction of capital, of physical
     human labour power, of earthly resources, of the "human race".
     frogmobile:over 3,000 patents in this area already
     frogmobile:Interesting Guys
     ScnWrt:Agreed, khalid. They may cure AIDS in Africa- free to control Africa
     frogmobile:True
     panta98:At the moment on the world market, the "goods", which cover 80% of global
     turnover, cost millions, billions, each one --- this is what counts, which "merges", and not
     pills of oner $.
     panta98:That's the problem. States consume, and not individual intellectual workers, living in
     Silicon valley.
     panta98:Aeroplanes, Air-Bus, warplanes, atomic submarines, etc.
     frogmobile:Well to a certain degree
     ScnWrt:The intellectual owners are forming new States. L'etats c'est moi
     panta98:The days of United Fruit's bananas are over, even of the cloned ritalin tomatoes,
     that's not what globalization or post-industrial capitalism is about. Big Brother plays big, buys
     and sells giga.
     ScnWrt:Biotech control is stronger than submarines, nuclear weapons, etc.
     frogmobile:very true guys
     ScnWrt:New Big brothers and sisters
     ScnWrt:Big Biotekkies
     panta98:Control, defence, do not produce profits, they defend profits, cut big slices from
     profits.
     frogmobile:Big gigatekies too
     panta98:Do you folks see my problem?
     frogmobile:But remember the defence industry spends over $850 billions annually
     panta98:Spends, Khalid, not produces or reproduces.
     panta98:Spending is not Investing.
     frogmobile:yes! you are right Franz
     frogmobile:there is a big difference there
     panta98:To spend your money is not reproducing your money.
     ScnWrt:Yes, Franz., but today profit control is keyto running a global economy
     frogmobile:Hi Jutta
     ScnWrt:Spending money contributes to profits\
     panta98:Yes, Carl. Microsoft, Bill Gates, did not run into "profit control", he ran into the
     monopoly game, advanced to oligopoly, and he just has not got the "correct" backers, not
     george Bush Jr. at his side, otherwise, none of his profits would ever be controlled.
     frogmobile:Interesting comment Franz
     ScnWrt:Agreed, Franz. Profit control is next
     panta98:A capitalist, a capitalist system, who controls profits is doomed to death. A capitalist
     who does not make higher profits permanently isthrown out of the race. the day when
     capitalism controls profits, then we can send lilies to his certain grave.
     ScnWrt:The USA government's action vs. Bill gates was to control Microsoft's profits
     frogmobile:Very true Franz! So what's next for this planet
     frogmobile:Guys I am sorry however in a few minutes I will have to go
     ScnWrt:Franz, I'm referring to capitalists who want to control the increase and decrease of
     profits to control global business-a new ball game
     panta98:The Govt is not 'controlling profits', that's the Platonic fairy tale, which it tells to
     CNN onlookers, the government acts in the name of its multi-nationals, who have to
     advance, to make bigger profits, and it acts as a bulwark to stop the neemy, the adversary.
     Just that is happening, no "profit control" whatsoever.
     frogmobile:This why there is patent protection
     panta98:If Bill Gates was on the right side, he could merge and merge, but, he has greater
     space exploration and colonization giga-companies as enemies, as adversaries. They have to
     be supported.
     ScnWrt:I'm referring to profit control by certain global capitalists through the USA
     Government
     frogmobile:The gov't protects one capitalists monopoly against another
     frogmobile:Capital is very fragmented
     panta98:The only uncontrollable thing on this planet is profit. The day when it is controlled,
     you and I won, emancipation has reached it's goal. No capitalist, no government will ever
     control profits.
     ScnWrt:Patent protection? An invention isn't realized unless it's seized by a corportion
     frogmobile:Yep
     iiiiriiiis has entered the room.
     ScnWrt:But global capital is owned by a few owners-phoney conflicts
     iiiiriiiis:Good morning all! Thanks Franz. Hi Carl and Khalid!
     ScnWrt:Hi, Iris
     frogmobile:because no one else has the know how on how to" maket" the ideas
     ScnWrt:Guten morgen, Iris
     frogmobile:Hello Iris, welcome goodmorning
     frogmobile:Carl do you have access to PBS station
     ScnWrt:The new profit control-control economic behavior-ntrol revenues and costs
     panta98:A capitalist, a capitalist system, who controls profits is doomed to death. A capitalist
     who does not make higher profits permanently isthrown out of the race. the day w
     frogmobile:If you do tune on
     ScnWrt:Yes Khalid. What's on PBS?
     frogmobile:lovely music
     ScnWrt:We've been listening tothe music on PBS
     panta98:the day when capitalism controls profits, then we can send lilies to his certain grave.
     frogmobile:because of the fragmentation of capital various factions have political control
     depending of which wing is in power
     panta98:If Bill Gates was on the right side, he could merge and merge, but, he has greater
     space exploration and colonization giga-companies as enemies, as adversaries. They have to
     be supported.
     panta98:If Bill Gates was on the right side, he could merge and merge, but, he has greater
     space exploration and colonization giga-companies as enemies, as adversaries. They have to
     be supported.
     panta98:So, now you have an idea what we're talking about. Join the fun!!!
     frogmobile:If Bush takes over in November the control changes
     iiiiriiiis:please proceed, I'm trying to join the boat!
     frogmobile:But would it make that a difference now that capital is now so globalized/
     ScnWrt:Microsoft is a phase-AOL/Time Warner will be top bannana-Internet and
     Media-Communications control
     panta98:The "different concept", Carl?
     frogmobile:Now what's next in this gigabyte game of economic monopoly
     panta98:So, Carl, that's it, not government "profit control".
     ScnWrt:Profit-ontrol-he flow and utilization ofcapital in motion
     panta98:There is nothing more anarchic and chaotic than capital, and it's flow. ....
     panta98:To control capital, it's flow, is to eliminate it.
     frogmobile:have you guys realized that the manufacturing sector is being replaced now by the
     new economy
     panta98:Power channelize Capital, and this has no limits, the sky, the galaxy, is the limit, this
     casino obeys no laws, it is, it makes its own laws, willy-nilly.
     ScnWrt:It's a shared government/private economic monopoly in motion, static business is
     passe. Control of the continuous flow of capital
     frogmobile:The Fords and GM's are now getting more involved with internet based
     technologies. The middle man that sells car in the street corner will soon be out of a job.
     iiiiriiiis:Sorry, Khalid - "new" economy - what are you referring to, in which sense "new" ? -
     Maybe you already discussed this before, if so, please sum it up for me to give me an idea.
     ScnWrt:Who owns the power is key
     frogmobile:Iris the new information based economy
     iiiiriiiis:ok, thanks, Khalid.
     panta98:If Capital could ever have been controlled, if the flow of profits were ever guided,
     we would not have been in this current catastrophe.
     frogmobile:that's obvious Franz
     ScnWrt:Not really, Franz. This capital flow control is for the benefit of a few at theexpense
     of others
     panta98:What was controlled, which flow, when now the whole planet is heading towards a
     total death. Not even the cockroaches will survive this chaotic, anarchic onslaught of capital.
     There's not much to control left, perhaps only destruction in flux.
     frogmobile:Also remember capital is always looking at ways and means to spend their surplus
     value is not a crisis could develop
     panta98:To spend, no, Khalid, to invest. ....
     frogmobile:Yes! that's what I meant sorry
     panta98:The investors would lynch you, if you would tell them tospend all their surplus
     value.
     iiiiriiiis:truely so...
     frogmobile:Investment is the key to survival
     panta98:And, why do you invest?
     frogmobile:No they do not spend
     panta98:To control your flow of capital, to make less profits. ...?
     panta98:Surely, not!
     ScnWrt:Control of the flow and use of technology is also key to survival today
     panta98:A capitalist does not even care whether he survives. He would even sell the rope
     with which he is hanging himself, if that would still bring profits.
     ScnWrt:Control to make sure that a few produce profits
     frogmobile:That is why we are in the globalizing phase of the world's economy. capital needs
     unhindered access if not it is in trouble
     frogmobile:yea! man
     panta98:Well, that's what Microsoft wanted, what Bill Gates wants, that a few, in the last
     analysis, only he, makes profits.
     ScnWrt:Khalid, agreed, but only a few have unhindered access
     frogmobile:The state intervenes to protect other capitalists like netscape and others
     frogmobile:yes! Carl
     panta98:Capital is suffocating here on earth, it landed in a stranded lift, without oxygen left;
     here on this planet you cannot make the nexessary giga-profits anymore. To be acapitalist,
     you must make at least a trillion a year, in the very near future. Otherwise, bye-bye --- off to
     the Lumpenproletariat.
     ScnWrt:Agreed, Khalid. But the same capitalists own Microsoft, Netscape, Time Warner,
     etc.
     frogmobile:The netscapes owners has a close connection with the democrats
     frogmobile:True Carl but they are different fragments of capital and control
     ScnWrt:The top owners have close connections with the Democrats and Republicans
     panta98:Iris, still around? Rising up -- out of the Klumpenproletariat??
     iiiiriiiis:Franz, still around. Logisch!
     panta98:Khalid & Carl, I'm reading. ....
     ScnWrt:Khalid, they manipulate the fragments
     frogmobile:There is a very interesting book by Ralph Miliban it is called The State in
     capitalist Society... very interesting indeed
     frogmobile:Buy it guys
     panta98:Is a "fragment" not already a lost case, destroyed by Giga-Bulldozer-capital?
     ScnWrt:I will read it.
     frogmobile:That's an interesting question Franz.
     panta98:Yes, I know it, Khalid. But, that New left Guy also has his limits.
     panta98:And I know you are not exactly a "chummy" of the New left.
     frogmobile:I would like to think so Franz but there are still crums of the order still hanging on

     panta98:What is cracking, is fragmented, is already on the ash-heep of history!
     frogmobile:Franz I still find his book interesting just like Mandel's
     ScnWrt:Friedrich's Hayek's book "The Road to Serfdom" is also interesting. Read it.
     frogmobile:They at least laid the foundation to understanding the economy
     panta98:The very big ones tremble already, why do you guys think that they are merging? if
     not, they'll be fragmented, controlled and reduced to mince-meat by the big war-tanks.
     frogmobile:Okay Carl
     iiiiriiiis:I'm following, please proceed....
     ScnWrt:They've already merged, but not due to fear
     frogmobile:No they not trembling Franz it is the competitive nature of the system that is
     forcing them to merge
     ScnWrt:TYhey are in control
     ScnWrt:They are
     frogmobile:The go for short term gain for long term pain
     panta98:Well, Guy. Adam Smith did it already. And Marx and Mndel laid the foundations.
     What more is there to understand about the Essence of Capital. In the last hour I told you
     above all that you need to know about the essence of Capital and capitalim. Enjoy this
     "foundation"!
     panta98:The thing is very easy to understand. Try it with your little nieces, and you'll see.
     panta98:Tell them to choose between two delicious chocolates, and they'll merge, by taking
     both.
     panta98:That's what's happening now on a global scale.
     ScnWrt:Franz, we need to explore how capital manipulates culture and technology, more
     complex today
     ScnWrt:They want to eat all the chocolates.
     ScnWrt:OK, Khalid
     panta98:Not much different than always, Carl. All you need to know is that Capital and
     Capitalism manipulates, and find the antidote against all degrees and forms of any type of
     manipulation, indoctrination, ideology, mind control.
     panta98:That's what we're doing right here, and on all our Home Pages. I don't think that
     knowing more would help more.
     frogmobile:The foundation is what have given me an understanding of what's going on today
     panta98:It's already crystal-clear what it's all about. Studying too much causes headaches,
     put action and thought out of action.
     ScnWrt:Except, today we need to understand the flow and motion of culture and technology
     iiiiriiiis:Agreed, Franz.
     panta98:I am not even sure that anythingis flowing at all around here.
     panta98:Perhaps a flow towards death, in other words, dying.
     ScnWrt:It's flowing-continuous permanent change. We gotta convert this to a continuous,
     flowing, permanent Revolution.
     panta98:We are sprouting, germing, germinating, blooming, blossoming, that'sthe "culture",
     the vital culture, viticulture wgich we should study.
     ScnWrt:Agreed, Franz
     ScnWrt:The emancipatory culture
     panta98:That's it, Carl. Let the grave-diggers dig their own flowing, controlled graves.
     ScnWrt:Agreed, Franz
     panta98:You don't beat a dead dog.
     panta98:Guys, Jutta is waiting too. Let's stop here for today. I'll send you my part, it's nearly
     complete, only about 10 sentences should be absent.
     panta98:Bye! Khalid, send me what you have.
     ScnWrt:OK, Gute Nacht, Franz
     panta98:I'll complete the whole manuscript.
     panta98:You too, Carl.
     ScnWrt:Gute Nacht, Iris
     panta98:Your part, Iris, I have complete.
     iiiiriiiis:Ok then, Gute Nacht, Carl!
     panta98:Gute Nacht, Carl. It was great 4th of July Fun!!!
     ScnWrt:Give our regards to Jutta
     panta98:Any aliens around? You saw any? Among the fireworks?
     ScnWrt:Outstanding chat
     ScnWrt:Bye, folks!
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