Discussing with
a “God with a small g”
Location: Parnes, Athens, Attica, Greece, Southern Europe
Time: Morning, March 31st, 2001 A.D.
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1. INTRODUCTION
Terms of the conversation.
- Limitations for Khorrus:
He can submit twelve questions.
- Limitations for Horus:
The replies that will be given should not alter the biotic and scientific human
standards.
2. DISCUSSION
Question 1 (Khorrus):
In previous encounters you mentioned that you are a “god with a small g”.
What is the meaning of this term? I suppose that you do not mean God –
the creator of the Universe?
Answer (Horus):
No, we are, in a way, "regulators of planetary systems". We
“cultivate” a planetary system (more accurately, planets and satellites that
revolve, generally, round a star) just like a farmer cultivates his field or a
townsman builds and furnishes his house, accordingly. We consist of radiation
(light) and not of matter and we feed ourselves with light (of various
frequencies) from the stars of the planetary systems.
Question 2 (Khorrus):
What is the origin of the “gods with a small g”. Are you
extraterrestrials?
Answer (Horus):
No, we are your own evolution. We are humans, more accurately, we are at the
third (and in our opinion, main) stage. That is, if we consider that the embryo
constitutes the first stage of human life then you are simply at the second
stage. After the transition – what you think of as death – you “come of
age” and become like us “gods with a small g”.
Question 3 (Khorrus):
I would like to insist a little on the explanation of our own death or otherwise
your own transition. We are aware that the biological phenomenon of
metamorphosis (transformation) happens to some kinds of organisms like insects
and amphibians. Do you want to say that, in a way, we humans are your own
nymphs”?
Answer (Horus):
Precisely so, just like the transformation of the insect initially includes
istolysis (that is, rejection of certain old organs) and then istogenesis
(creation of new organs), morphogenesis and changing of the way of living and
surroundings, the same thing happens to man.
- Firstly, man goes through the embryoniic stage where his environment is the
amniac sac. As long as the organic systems of the fetus are incomplete it is
forced to remain inside the amniac sac for its nutrition as well as its
protection.
- Then, he goes over the material human stage where his environment is the
limited space of planet Earth (or more generally its Planetary system). The
material body of man has also got a double-natured (binding - protective)
purpose. On one hand it is influenced by gravity and therefore its escape from
the Solar system (where it would, probably, face the danger of destruction of
its “interior”) is prevented and on the other hand it constitutes a means of
nutrition (and drawing of information) for its “soul” which has not yet
acquired the ability to feed from the light of the Sun (or another star).
- Finally, when his spiritual functions––experiences are completed, man rejects
all of his material sheath (or material body) – almost like what snakes do
with their skin- and passes to the energy “divine” stage where its
environment is now the entire Galaxy, the Milky Way (or rather a part of it).
I could bring as an example the tadpole which lives in the sea and corresponds
to you and its evolution, that is the frog, which lives on land and corresponds
to us.
Every transition is physically strenuous and becomes even more painful when it
is accompanied by the fear of the unknown. An example could respectively be the
‘fear’ and ‘agony’ (if, of course, these emotions could be felt in the
human sense) of a chicken before the hatching of the egg, when it has eaten up
all its white interior and it finds itself in a narrow space with no food and
barely any oxygen. Restrained like that feels the human soul (or man himself)
when it faces death inside a weak material body. Nevertheless, our own fear
about our own death, compared to yours, is much greater.
Question 4 (Khorrus):
A consistent physicist (and I am a typical case of one) finds it difficult to
accept the existence of the term “soul”. In physics the only existing
entities in the Universe are the Fields. Everything is their derivative. If the
“soul” is energy, that is photons, how has it not been detected up to now?
And then, how is it transfigured? The concept of the existence of solid light
would raise a keen smile to every theoretic physicist of our time. Physical laws
(e.g. Bose-Einstein statistics and others) are infracted. Moreover, after the
recent discoveries in Biochemistry and Genetics, many qualities of the soul are
now attributed (and it is my belief that all of them will be in the near future)
others to the intra-organic biochemical reactions and others to the genes and
their interactions with the environment. Therefore, what would be the meaning of
considering the existence of an additional entity that -what’s more- lacks of
qualities (principle of the economy of nature)?
Answer (Horus):
First of all, you are aware that you will not receive answers that would exceed
your scientific level. Scientific knowledge evolves in parallel to the flow of
time and cannot be in reverse order, otherwise the Special theory of Relativity
would be violated.
As for the issue of the soul it must be comprehensible that the material body of
a human is not man himself. It merely is the sheath of the inner energy entity
known as soul. The latter, during the material human life “imprints”
information and transfigures. (This happens even to mentally deranged people who
for biological reasons do not have a harmonious communication between “soul”
and body). When the moment of maturing comes (like in the example with the
caterpillar which transforms into a butterfly) then it egresses. The material
body is rejected and it undergoes total istolysis (and not partial one as it
happens in the material transformations of insects and amphibians for example).
In every natural alteration an entity is maintained (more accurately a physical
quantity) like mass, energy, momentum, angular momentum etc. Quite
correspondingly to the aforementioned alteration-transformation, the maintained
entity is the “soul”.
Question 5 (Khorrus):
The human embryonic stage lasts about nine months and human life lasts around 80
to 100 years. How long is the life span of the third stage of the “gods with a
small g”? Are you immortal?
Answer (Horus):
Unfortunately, immortality is a very distant concept. We live approximately
10,000 – 20,000 years and even if this period of time seems enormous to you it
really is very short to us. Although we travel with almost the speed of light
(which is about 300,000 km/sec) the distances in the Galaxy are huge (for
example, the distance between Earth and Orion – where our own “Washington”
is situated – is about 1,500 light years while the “cultivation” of
planets is a very time-consuming procedure.
Question 6 (Khorrus):
What kind of people evolve to your own stage? Everyone does?
Answer (Horus):
Everyone, except for those who die before they have completed their biological
growth (it depends on the individual organism, generally around 25) and those
who commit suicide.
Question 7 (Khorrus):
And what happens to those “failed” ones?
Answer (Horus):
I shall not reply. You have wasted a question.
Question 8 (Khorrus):
What is the role of planet Earth?
Answer (Horus):
The Earth and generally the planetary system where you live (known otherwise as
Solar system) is a Production (= Birth) and Training of “gods with a small
g” Centre. Its geometric space has been subjected to special “adjustments”
(for example, in the number of the manifested dimensions, the curvature, the
metrics etc.) for its better protection from external factors.
These adjustments (which of course were not made by us but by the Creator) are
similar to those that took place in the mother who carries her embryo in a
relatively protected part of her body (or respectively in other organisms in a
protected place, outside their body) until it acquires the ability to confront
the difficulties of its incorporation in society.
Question 9 (Khorrus):
What is the intellectual and spiritual condition of the “gods with a small g”?
Are you all handsome, intelligent, happy and versed in all sciences?
Answer (Horus):
Of course not. We, certainly, have a perfect countenance but in a
non-material society the external image does not really count. As for the
intelligence, this differs from one individual to another just as it happens in
your own society. There are idiots as well as lunatics amongst us. Vast are the
differences between us on the cognitive level. Think that, just as there are
teachers who know less than their students and children who know more (in some
areas) than certain adults, in the same way, there are “gods with a small g”
who know less than humans do (still in some areas). Generally, though we could
say that each of us is quite knowledgeable about his “profession” (that is,
his main occupation). Finally, as for the happiness, it is in succession with
misfortune, in exactly the same way, it happens in your own society.
Question 10 (Khorrus):
Give me a concise description of your society. What is the position that science
holds? Is there justice?
Answer (Horus):
The complexity of our society is unconceivable to you. It would be (with enough
exaggeration) as if someone would try to explain the human world to an infant or
-if we’d like to use another more moderaate example this time- as if someone
would try to explain the stock market of New York to a Busman. However I will
mention some characteristics that refer to our average citizen (in
correspondence to a farmer or a townsman of your own society). Soon after he is
born he becomes member of a dozen (six men and six women). Every dozen
undertakes a planetary system (its own). What they are about to do is, as
aforementioned, to “build” and “furnish” their house (for example, to
invest the planets with fauna and flora, to regulate the climate, the orbits
etc.). I would parallel this job with that of a video game player in a virtual
world, the Internet. Every member undertakes a specific sector (as the ministers
in the government of a state do). Here imagination is needed as well as the
experience gained at the second stage (that is, living on Earth). Generally no
particular scientific knowledge is required. Nevertheless there also are details
which demand special techniques and scientific information.
At this point I shall interject a remark. The proportion of “gods with a small
g” who possess scientific knowledge is relatively smaller to that of the human
society. Many, especially the senior ones, ignore even the essentials. Some try
to improve their knowledge, but most of them don’t. It’s just like when an
employee becomes head manager in a company. Few are those who continue to make
an effort, most of them ease off.. The hope of amelioration of things is reposed
to the new generations. To you who are still humans and in a while “gods with
a small g” together with us. The youngest hold more scientific knowledge but
few are those who occupy themselves with it systematically. Everything, whatever
anyone could need in his life and his work (for example the “cultivation” of
planets mentioned before), is ready-made and bought –yes, money exists and
dominates here too!- from our own stores. Disputes inside the dozen (and also
outside it) are often. The contestation of the procedures among the individuals
and generally the whole of society is very usual just like it happens to you.
Some walk out of the dozens and are either employed elsewhere or they become
marginal or even outlaws. Thefts, of every kind, take place. Criminals and
delinquents are in abundance as they are to you. In spite of all these, the
general impression that is derived, seeing things spherically (and not
thoroughly), is that everything (or almost everything) works to perfection.
Question 11 (Khorrus):
In physics there is the principle of correspondence. Based on this principle
natural sizes and laws of classical physics are “transferred” to quantum physics.
It no holds the opposite. In this rationale, can someone find the analogies
between our society and yours?
Answer (Horus):
Yes, precisely so, your society is a miniature -unconceivable to you- of ours.
An example could be school where the society of pupils forms a micrographic
impression of the adult society.
The best correspondence is that between Classical and Statistical Mechanics.
Thus in a system of fairly few “recognizable” particles (which correspond to
the people of your society) the laws of Classical Mechanics apply whereas in a
system of fairly many “non-recognizable” particles (which correspond to the
people of our own society) the laws of Statistical Mechanics apply in addition.
Perhaps an even better example that would show the big difference of complexity
of our two societies would be to correspond your society to a classical
deterministic set whereas our own society to a fractal set.
Question 12 (Khorrus):
What is your opinion about God (with a capital G) -Creator of the Universe?
a) what do you know about him, and
b) what does he want from us?
(I may not get an answer to this last question but I consider it inevitable to
risk it –besides, anyone would).
Answer (Horus):
I will answer the first part of the question first. Each of us (as it happens to
you too) has his own viewpoint. Personally, I put forward the conjecture that
God created an entropic Universe and assigned the anti-entropic living organisms
(DNA derivatives) its organization. However Creation continues. Humans
play an essential part, who at their developed third stage get enough
responsibilities to convert savage and primitive planets and satellites to
“paradises”. Many planetary systems however, because of mistaken handling,
end up becoming “hells” or they even collapse. I have the impression that
everything is done hastily. The lack of meritocracy at the appointment of the
planets (that is the incorporation in the dozen of each and every human -capable
or not) is possibly due to the great demand. New stars and planets are
continually created. Men obviously are not sufficient and this may explain the
overpopulation pressures which are exerted on Earth. One would think that it is
not possible for a God-Creator not to have foreseen the arithmetic incongruity
between humans and stars. A possible explanation is that not even the creator of
our Galaxy is the real ultimate One God. He too, simply competes with the
creators (or regulators) of the other Galaxies. Perhaps the same procedure is
repeated with the swarms of Galaxies as well as the potential multiple
Universes. Or it may not. No one could really know. The World as a total
manufacture of the One God is completely unpredictable. While you think that you
have discovered some symmetry of it (that is a repeated procedure) in some
section suddenly a new incident appears which provokes its rupture. At this
point I shall mention the example of an ant colony. A material man approaches
and with his foot provokes its destruction. In case the ants had the required
nervous system they would probably identify (maybe not all of them but still
enough of them) this human with their God-Creator who decided to punish them.
Who else could have had this power! For the goldfish in the aquarium the whole
Universe is its liquid contents as well as the dim obscure surroundings. How
silly any theory it could develop with its poor mind would be? Sometimes
everything seems like the Russian dolls. The more you search the insides of each
one the more a new one turns up. It may be very premature or even foolish for
someone to look, in his minor microcosm, for the Ultra-spacial God.
I shall now answer the second part of the question.
What part do we people play in any evolutionary stage we may be? That depends on
what are the intentions of the One God. There were, there are and there will be
infinite theories with equally infinite variations on this issue. I shall set
out two theories entirely contradictory to each other.
- An optimistic “good” theory is that Crreation is the sole project of the
One God which has undertaken, compulsorily, as a consequence of his existence
(that is, we accept the equivalence, which is innate in the DNA organisms, I am
= I create).
According to this consideration the One God in order to form and organize its
creation, in every point and at any time, “infused” himself (wholly or
partly) in it and he resolves (almost like a vector) into components which
obviously are no others but the humans who, after undergoing many modifications
and transformations at the various stages of Creation, they will eventually
unite (after the end of the Creation of the World) composing their resultant
which will apparently again be the One God. In this case God cares about us and
“loves” us therefore we have every reason to struggle from our occasional
position for the transaction of the masterpiece that he materializes.
- On the antipode of this lies the pessimistic “bad” theory. According
to it the Creation is nothing more than the one and only game of the One God
which he performs, also compulsorily, in order to amuse his monotony (or
otherwise, tediousness). So we accept the equivalence -which is innate in the
developed DNA organisms- I am bored = I have the tendency to amuse myself.
According to this consideration the One God does not actively participate
himself and humans merely constitute his instruments, expendable pawns which
will be sacrificed gradually at the various stages of Creation and which
eventually (after the end of the Creation of the World) will perish. He may even
participate but in a similar role to that of Ulysses whose companions (humans in
this case) perish successively during the voyage. Consequently in this case he
is indifferent to us and he does not “love” us, therefore we have no reason
to struggle from our occasional position so that he will be able to see the
“game over” on his “screen’ (or, otherwise, reach his Ithaca).
What will be each one’s choice? It is not necessary to adopt either one of the two versions. Between white and black there are the countless shades of gray.
3. EPILOGUE
There is the ability for three questions outside the topic of the conversation for both debaters on the whole.
Question A (Khorrus):
Why did you choose to give this revealing message to me?
Answer (Horus):
There are three different ways of selection and the answer has three versions
accordingly:
a) Random selection:
Without any criteria. Entirely by chance. Why should it be someone else and not
you?
b) Favouritism selection:
With partial criteria. For example, why not someone choose an –even distant-
descendant of his?
c) Utilitarian selection:
With self-interested mercenary criteria. You simply choose someone who in his
“mind” (that is, his scientific knowledge, logic and imagination) can be
found to have already formed the necessary structural stones that are needed to
build (or otherwise to “assemble’) the message you want to convey without
violating the natural laws.
Question B (Khorrus):
I would like to remind you of five historical references:
1) According to the ancient Greek Religion the titan Yperion procreated
the Sun (that is, knowledge, information) for people. He was punished by the
other Titans to be slaughtered.
2) According to the ancient Greek Religion again, the demigod Prometheus
gave fire (that is knowledge, information) to people. He was punished by Zeus
(Jupiter) with crucifixion on the mount Caucasus.
3) According to the ancient Babylonian religion god Apaphon (=Apsu)
representation of Fresh Waters (that is, knowledge, information) wished to offer
an ideal community to people. He was punished by god Eos (=Ea) with imprisonment
in the Underworld.
4) According to the ancient Egyptian Religion god Osiris gave the first
knowledge to people. He was punished by god Seth with slaughtering and sinking
into the river Nile.
5) According to the contemporary Christian Religion the son of God Christ
gave information to people about the immortality of soul. He was punished by the
people themselves with crucifixion on the hill Calvary.
What you have reported I shall publish on the Internet. Did by any chance the
information that you gave me violated the Spatiotemporal Determinism and lead to
your own punishment?
Answer (Horus):
Firstly, what better way could there be for the burial of an information package
but the Internet itself -under the various, countless, similar or not,
information which are rapidly increasing -moreover being situated inside the
site of an insignificant Greek and even more when it is originally written in
Greek language?
Secondly, I hold some arguments. There was no leakage of information. You have
written something clearly yours, using your own logic, your own imagination,
your own words and your own language. In addition, you have used my name simply
because it resembled yours. History teaches that human vanity is abysmal. No
alteration to your biotic or scientific standards took place.
No, Determinism was not violated!
Question C (Horus):
Let me ask the last question. Is there any chance that you will eventually be in
trouble with this revealing message you have received and publish, without even
gaining some profit from it?
Answer (Khorrus):
I too have arguments. I did not receive any revealing information. I, simply
always, enjoyed science fiction. I also desired to write Platonic dialogues.
Everything is an attempt of scientific fictional literature writing. What
relation could I, a Greek of the 3rd millennium A.D., have with you, an
ancient Egyptian anterior to the 3rd millennium B.C.? It is plain
poetic license. No alteration took place to my biotic and scientific standards,
neither will.
But Horus, do you know what it means to live having as a main motto the famous
saying “vanity of vanities, everything is vanity”, waiting for the unique
and eternal death to come forth in every corner of your life and suddenly to
learn, and most importantly to believe deeply, that you gain a lease on life for
at least 10,000 years and having indeed the highest target you could have ever
imagined, your participation in the Cosmic Creation. No, Horus, you, a human of
the third stage, could not have ever imagined the bliss that I, a human of the
second stage, have tasted. An alteration took place after all Horus, and it was
an important one. Where? But …. to my spiritual condition.
Yes, Determinism was violated!
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