HORUS  APOCALYPSE - the english translation  

 

Discussing with

a “God with a small g”

 

Location: Parnes, Athens, Attica, Greece, Southern Europe

Time: Morning, March 31st, 2001 A.D.

 

- START OF COMMUNICATION -

 

1. INTRODUCTION

Terms of the conversation.

- Limitations for Khorrus:
He can submit twelve questions.

- Limitations for Horus:
The replies that will be given should not alter the biotic and scientific human standards.

 

2. DISCUSSION

Question 1 (Khorrus):
In previous encounters you mentioned that you are a “god with a small g”. What is the meaning of this term? I suppose that you do not mean God – the creator of the Universe?

Answer (Horus):
No, we are, in a way, "regulators of planetary systems". We “cultivate” a planetary system (more accurately, planets and satellites that revolve, generally, round a star) just like a farmer cultivates his field or a townsman builds and furnishes his house, accordingly. We consist of radiation (light) and not of matter and we feed ourselves with light (of various frequencies) from the stars of the planetary systems.

Question 2 (Khorrus):
What is the origin of the “gods with a small g”. Are you extraterrestrials?

Answer (Horus):
No, we are your own evolution. We are humans, more accurately, we are at the third (and in our opinion, main) stage. That is, if we consider that the embryo constitutes the first stage of human life then you are simply at the second stage. After the transition – what you think of as death – you “come of age” and become like us “gods with a small g”.

 

Question 3 (Khorrus):
I would like to insist a little on the explanation of our own death or otherwise your own transition. We are aware that the biological phenomenon of metamorphosis (transformation) happens to some kinds of organisms like insects and amphibians. Do you want to say that, in a way, we humans are your own nymphs”?

Answer (Horus):
Precisely so, just like the transformation of the insect initially includes istolysis (that is, rejection of certain old organs) and then istogenesis (creation of new organs), morphogenesis and changing of the way of living and surroundings, the same thing happens to man.
- Firstly, man goes through the embryoniic stage where his environment is the amniac sac. As long as the organic systems of the fetus are incomplete it is forced to remain inside the amniac sac for its nutrition as well as its protection.
- Then, he goes over the material human stage where his environment is the limited space of planet Earth (or more generally its Planetary system). The material body of man has also got a double-natured (binding - protective) purpose. On one hand it is influenced by gravity and therefore its escape from the Solar system (where it would, probably, face the danger of destruction of its “interior”) is prevented and on the other hand it constitutes a means of nutrition (and drawing of information) for its “soul” which has not yet acquired the ability to feed from the light of the Sun (or another star).
- Finally, when his spiritual functions––experiences are completed, man rejects all of his material sheath (or material body) – almost like what snakes do with their skin- and passes to the energy “divine” stage where its environment is now the entire Galaxy, the Milky Way (or rather a part of it).
I could bring as an example the tadpole which lives in the sea and corresponds to you and its evolution, that is the frog, which lives on land and corresponds to us.
Every transition is physically strenuous and becomes even more painful when it is accompanied by the fear of the unknown. An example could respectively be the ‘fear’ and ‘agony’ (if, of course, these emotions could be felt in the human sense) of a chicken before the hatching of the egg, when it has eaten up all its white interior and it finds itself in a narrow space with no food and barely any oxygen. Restrained like that feels the human soul (or man himself) when it faces death inside a weak material body. Nevertheless, our own fear about our own death, compared to yours, is much greater.

 

Question 4 (Khorrus):
A consistent physicist (and I am a typical case of one) finds it difficult to accept the existence of the term “soul”. In physics the only existing entities in the Universe are the Fields. Everything is their derivative. If the “soul” is energy, that is photons, how has it not been detected up to now? And then, how is it transfigured? The concept of the existence of solid light would raise a keen smile to every theoretic physicist of our time. Physical laws (e.g. Bose-Einstein statistics and others) are infracted. Moreover, after the recent discoveries in Biochemistry and Genetics, many qualities of the soul are now attributed (and it is my belief that all of them will be in the near future) others to the intra-organic biochemical reactions and others to the genes and their interactions with the environment. Therefore, what would be the meaning of considering the existence of an additional entity that -what’s more- lacks of qualities (principle of the economy of nature)?

Answer (Horus):
First of all, you are aware that you will not receive answers that would exceed your scientific level. Scientific knowledge evolves in parallel to the flow of time and cannot be in reverse order, otherwise the Special theory of Relativity would be violated.
As for the issue of the soul it must be comprehensible that the material body of a human is not man himself. It merely is the sheath of the inner energy entity known as soul. The latter, during the material human life “imprints” information and transfigures. (This happens even to mentally deranged people who for biological reasons do not have a harmonious communication between “soul” and body). When the moment of maturing comes (like in the example with the caterpillar which transforms into a butterfly) then it egresses. The material body is rejected and it undergoes total istolysis (and not partial one as it happens in the material transformations of insects and amphibians for example). In every natural alteration an entity is maintained (more accurately a physical quantity) like mass, energy, momentum, angular momentum etc. Quite correspondingly to the aforementioned alteration-transformation, the maintained entity is the “soul”.

 

Question 5 (Khorrus):
The human embryonic stage lasts about nine months and human life lasts around 80 to 100 years. How long is the life span of the third stage of the “gods with a small g”? Are you immortal?

Answer (Horus):
Unfortunately, immortality is a very distant concept. We live approximately 10,000 – 20,000 years and even if this period of time seems enormous to you it really is very short to us. Although we travel with almost the speed of light (which is about 300,000 km/sec) the distances in the Galaxy are huge (for example, the distance between Earth and Orion – where our own “Washington” is situated – is about 1,500 light years while the “cultivation” of planets is a very time-consuming procedure.

 

Question 6 (Khorrus):
What kind of people evolve to your own stage? Everyone does?

Answer (Horus):
Everyone, except for those who die before they have completed their biological growth (it depends on the individual organism, generally around 25) and those who commit suicide.

 

Question 7 (Khorrus):
And what happens to those “failed” ones?

Answer (Horus):
I shall not reply. You have wasted a question.

 

Question 8 (Khorrus):
What is the role of planet Earth?

Answer (Horus):
The Earth and generally the planetary system where you live (known otherwise as Solar system) is a Production (= Birth) and Training of “gods with a small g” Centre. Its geometric space has been subjected to special “adjustments” (for example, in the number of the manifested dimensions, the curvature, the metrics etc.) for its better protection from external factors.
These adjustments (which of course were not made by us but by the Creator) are similar to those that took place in the mother who carries her embryo in a relatively protected part of her body (or respectively in other organisms in a protected place, outside their body) until it acquires the ability to confront the difficulties of its incorporation in society.

 

Question 9 (Khorrus):
What is the intellectual and spiritual condition of the “gods with a small g”? Are you all handsome, intelligent, happy and versed in all sciences?

Answer (Horus):
Of course not. We, certainly, have a perfect countenance but in a non-material society the external image does not really count. As for the intelligence, this differs from one individual to another just as it happens in your own society. There are idiots as well as lunatics amongst us. Vast are the differences between us on the cognitive level. Think that, just as there are teachers who know less than their students and children who know more (in some areas) than certain adults, in the same way, there are “gods with a small g” who know less than humans do (still in some areas). Generally, though we could say that each of us is quite knowledgeable about his “profession” (that is, his main occupation). Finally, as for the happiness, it is in succession with misfortune, in exactly the same way, it happens in your own society.

 

Question 10 (Khorrus):
Give me a concise description of your society. What is the position that science holds? Is there justice?

Answer (Horus):
The complexity of our society is unconceivable to you. It would be (with enough exaggeration) as if someone would try to explain the human world to an infant or -if we’d like to use another more moderaate example this time- as if someone would try to explain the stock market of New York to a Busman. However I will mention some characteristics that refer to our average citizen (in correspondence to a farmer or a townsman of your own society). Soon after he is born he becomes member of a dozen (six men and six women). Every dozen undertakes a planetary system (its own). What they are about to do is, as aforementioned, to “build” and “furnish” their house (for example, to invest the planets with fauna and flora, to regulate the climate, the orbits etc.). I would parallel this job with that of a video game player in a virtual world, the Internet. Every member undertakes a specific sector (as the ministers in the government of a state do). Here imagination is needed as well as the experience gained at the second stage (that is, living on Earth). Generally no particular scientific knowledge is required. Nevertheless there also are details which demand special techniques and scientific information.
At this point I shall interject a remark. The proportion of “gods with a small g” who possess scientific knowledge is relatively smaller to that of the human society. Many, especially the senior ones, ignore even the essentials. Some try to improve their knowledge, but most of them don’t. It’s just like when an employee becomes head manager in a company. Few are those who continue to make an effort, most of them ease off.. The hope of amelioration of things is reposed to the new generations. To you who are still humans and in a while “gods with a small g” together with us. The youngest hold more scientific knowledge but few are those who occupy themselves with it systematically. Everything, whatever anyone could need in his life and his work (for example the “cultivation” of planets mentioned before), is ready-made and bought –yes, money exists and dominates here too!- from our own stores. Disputes inside the dozen (and also outside it) are often. The contestation of the procedures among the individuals and generally the whole of society is very usual just like it happens to you. Some walk out of the dozens and are either employed elsewhere or they become marginal or even outlaws. Thefts, of every kind, take place. Criminals and delinquents are in abundance as they are to you. In spite of all these, the general impression that is derived, seeing things spherically (and not thoroughly), is that everything (or almost everything) works to perfection.

 

Question 11 (Khorrus):
In physics there is the principle of correspondence. Based on this principle natural sizes and laws of classical physics are “transferred” to quantum physics. It no holds the opposite. In this rationale, can someone find the analogies between our society and yours?

Answer (Horus):
Yes, precisely so, your society is a miniature -unconceivable to you- of ours. An example could be school where the society of pupils forms a micrographic impression of the adult society.
The best correspondence is that between Classical and Statistical Mechanics. Thus in a system of fairly few “recognizable” particles (which correspond to the people of your society) the laws of Classical Mechanics apply whereas in a system of fairly many “non-recognizable” particles (which correspond to the people of our own society) the laws of Statistical Mechanics apply in addition.
Perhaps an even better example that would show the big difference of complexity of our two societies would be to correspond your society to a classical deterministic set whereas our own society to a fractal set.

 

Question 12 (Khorrus):
What is your opinion about God (with a capital G) -Creator of the Universe?
a) what do you know about him, and
b) what does he want from us?
(I may not get an answer to this last question but I consider it inevitable to risk it –besides, anyone would).

Answer (Horus):
I will answer the first part of the question first. Each of us (as it happens to you too) has his own viewpoint. Personally, I put forward the conjecture that God created an entropic Universe and assigned the anti-entropic living organisms (DNA derivatives) its organization. However Creation continues. Humans play an essential part, who at their developed third stage get enough responsibilities to convert savage and primitive planets and satellites to “paradises”. Many planetary systems however, because of mistaken handling, end up becoming “hells” or they even collapse. I have the impression that everything is done hastily. The lack of meritocracy at the appointment of the planets (that is the incorporation in the dozen of each and every human -capable or not) is possibly due to the great demand. New stars and planets are continually created. Men obviously are not sufficient and this may explain the overpopulation pressures which are exerted on Earth. One would think that it is not possible for a God-Creator not to have foreseen the arithmetic incongruity between humans and stars. A possible explanation is that not even the creator of our Galaxy is the real ultimate One God. He too, simply competes with the creators (or regulators) of the other Galaxies. Perhaps the same procedure is repeated with the swarms of Galaxies as well as the potential multiple Universes. Or it may not. No one could really know. The World as a total manufacture of the One God is completely unpredictable. While you think that you have discovered some symmetry of it (that is a repeated procedure) in some section suddenly a new incident appears which provokes its rupture. At this point I shall mention the example of an ant colony. A material man approaches and with his foot provokes its destruction. In case the ants had the required nervous system they would probably identify (maybe not all of them but still enough of them) this human with their God-Creator who decided to punish them. Who else could have had this power! For the goldfish in the aquarium the whole Universe is its liquid contents as well as the dim obscure surroundings. How silly any theory it could develop with its poor mind would be? Sometimes everything seems like the Russian dolls. The more you search the insides of each one the more a new one turns up. It may be very premature or even foolish for someone to look, in his minor microcosm, for the Ultra-spacial God.
I shall now answer the second part of the question.
What part do we people play in any evolutionary stage we may be? That depends on what are the intentions of the One God. There were, there are and there will be infinite theories with equally infinite variations on this issue. I shall set out two theories entirely contradictory to each other.

- An optimistic “good” theory is that Crreation is the sole project of the One God which has undertaken, compulsorily, as a consequence of his existence (that is, we accept the equivalence, which is innate in the DNA organisms, I am = I create).
According to this consideration the One God in order to form and organize its creation, in every point and at any time, “infused” himself (wholly or partly) in it and he resolves (almost like a vector) into components which obviously are no others but the humans who, after undergoing many modifications and transformations at the various stages of Creation, they will eventually unite (after the end of the Creation of the World) composing their resultant which will apparently again be the One God. In this case God cares about us and “loves” us therefore we have every reason to struggle from our occasional position for the transaction of the masterpiece that he materializes.

- On the antipode of this lies the pessimistic “bad” theory. According to it the Creation is nothing more than the one and only game of the One God which he performs, also compulsorily, in order to amuse his monotony (or otherwise, tediousness). So we accept the equivalence -which is innate in the developed DNA organisms- I am bored = I have the tendency to amuse myself.
According to this consideration the One God does not actively participate himself and humans merely constitute his instruments, expendable pawns which will be sacrificed gradually at the various stages of Creation and which eventually (after the end of the Creation of the World) will perish. He may even participate but in a similar role to that of Ulysses whose companions (humans in this case) perish successively during the voyage. Consequently in this case he is indifferent to us and he does not “love” us, therefore we have no reason to struggle from our occasional position so that he will be able to see the “game over” on his “screen’ (or, otherwise, reach his Ithaca).

What will be each one’s choice? It is not necessary to adopt either one of the two versions. Between white and black there are the countless shades of gray.

 

3. EPILOGUE

There is the ability for three questions outside the topic of the conversation for both debaters on the whole.

Question A (Khorrus):
Why did you choose to give this revealing message to me?

Answer (Horus):
There are three different ways of selection and the answer has three versions accordingly:
a) Random selection:
Without any criteria. Entirely by chance. Why should it be someone else and not you?
b) Favouritism selection:
With partial criteria. For example, why not someone choose an –even distant- descendant of his?
c) Utilitarian selection:
With self-interested mercenary criteria. You simply choose someone who in his “mind” (that is, his scientific knowledge, logic and imagination) can be found to have already formed the necessary structural stones that are needed to build (or otherwise to “assemble’) the message you want to convey without violating the natural laws.

 

Question B (Khorrus):
I would like to remind you of five historical references:
1) According to the ancient Greek Religion the titan Yperion procreated the Sun (that is, knowledge, information) for people. He was punished by the other Titans to be slaughtered.
2) According to the ancient Greek Religion again, the demigod Prometheus gave fire (that is knowledge, information) to people. He was punished by Zeus (Jupiter) with crucifixion on the mount Caucasus.
3) According to the ancient Babylonian religion god Apaphon (=Apsu) representation of Fresh Waters (that is, knowledge, information) wished to offer an ideal community to people. He was punished by god Eos (=Ea) with imprisonment in the Underworld.
4) According to the ancient Egyptian Religion god Osiris gave the first knowledge to people. He was punished by god Seth with slaughtering and sinking into the river Nile.
5) According to the contemporary Christian Religion the son of God Christ gave information to people about the immortality of soul. He was punished by the people themselves with crucifixion on the hill Calvary.
What you have reported I shall publish on the Internet. Did by any chance the information that you gave me violated the Spatiotemporal Determinism and lead to your own punishment?

Answer (Horus):
Firstly, what better way could there be for the burial of an information package but the Internet itself -under the various, countless, similar or not, information which are rapidly increasing -moreover being situated inside the site of an insignificant Greek and even more when it is originally written in Greek language?
Secondly, I hold some arguments. There was no leakage of information. You have written something clearly yours, using your own logic, your own imagination, your own words and your own language. In addition, you have used my name simply because it resembled yours. History teaches that human vanity is abysmal. No alteration to your biotic or scientific standards took place.
No, Determinism was not violated!

 

Question C (Horus):
Let me ask the last question. Is there any chance that you will eventually be in trouble with this revealing message you have received and publish, without even gaining some profit from it?

Answer (Khorrus):
I too have arguments. I did not receive any revealing information. I, simply always, enjoyed science fiction. I also desired to write Platonic dialogues. Everything is an attempt of scientific fictional literature writing. What relation could I, a Greek of the 3rd millennium A.D., have with you, an ancient Egyptian anterior to the 3rd millennium B.C.? It is plain poetic license. No alteration took place to my biotic and scientific standards, neither will.
But Horus, do you know what it means to live having as a main motto the famous saying “vanity of vanities, everything is vanity”, waiting for the unique and eternal death to come forth in every corner of your life and suddenly to learn, and most importantly to believe deeply, that you gain a lease on life for at least 10,000 years and having indeed the highest target you could have ever imagined, your participation in the Cosmic Creation. No, Horus, you, a human of the third stage, could not have ever imagined the bliss that I, a human of the second stage, have tasted. An alteration took place after all Horus, and it was an important one. Where? But …. to my spiritual condition.
Yes, Determinism was violated!

 

- END OF COMMUNICATION-

 

THE END