26th September, 2000
You have just entered room "ScnWrt Chat48."
Einai2000: Well, good evening, Carl!
ScnWrt: Hi, Iris.
Einai2000: Shall we wait some moments or will you
start with some introductory comments, Carl? What do you suggest?
ScnWrt: Introductory comments.
Einai2000: Ok, please, proceed, Carl.
ScnWrt: Let's describe the impact of the present 1984
in our daily lives.
ScnWrt: Examples of our experiences.
ScnWrt: What have you experienced?
Einai2000: When having a look at 1984 today on my
way to the university ...
Einai2000: I felt reminded of what Steve commented
to us - the torture he had to go through in Oak Ridge...
Einai2000: ... what Orwell describes in his novel.
Einai2000: The situation of the prisoners, who will
undergo the tortures and brainwashing, maybe you remember the scene...
ScnWrt: Proceed.
ScnWrt: Yes.
ScnWrt: However, I think in Steve's case, they had
a different objective.
Einai2000: ... and I had quite a hard time I must
admit to go ahead reading, all those repugnant cruelties committed - and
described by Orwell...
Einai2000: In which sense, Carl?
ScnWrt: To develop disposable assassins and mercenaries.
ScnWrt: No loyalty required.
Einai2000: In which sense different? Ah, yes.. that's
right, Carl.
ScnWrt: Orwell's 1984 favored loyalty.
ScnWrt: In Steve's case, continuing to today, immediate
interests count.
Einai2000: ...yes, he describes the objective: it's
not enough that the inhabitants should "pretend" to accept the state of
affairs...
ScnWrt: which changes by the minute.
Einai2000: ...but they actually should "love" Big
Brother, be "convinced", affirm wholeheartedly the status quo...
ScnWrt: Today, however, genuine or enforced loyalty
is unimportant.
ScnWrt: It's been replaced by immediate interest.
Einai2000: Do you really think so, Carl? And if so,
why?
Einai2000: Immediate interest, of what and by whom?
ScnWrt: Immediate interest of the global hierarchy
and subordinates relation to rapidly changing technologies and players.
ScnWrt: I invited Khalid
frogmobile has entered the room.
frogmobile: Hi there, Carl
ScnWrt: Hi, Khalid
frogmobile: Hello Iris
ScnWrt: Einai2000 is Iris.
Einai2000: Hello, good evening, Khalid!
frogmobile: Thanks, Carl
ScnWrt: I understand Franz will join us later
frogmobile: Where is Franz?
Einai2000: Carl, could you please sum up rapidly our
topic for Khalid?
Einai2000: He has a date with the dentist, Khalid.
Worse even, his service provider CANTV in Venezuela has thrown him offline.
Who knows when he'll be connected to Internet again!
frogmobile: Thanks Iris, I read the last chat.
frogmobile: Continue ...
ScnWrt: The impact of the present 1984 on
our daily lives
frogmobile: Okay
Einai2000: Orwell describes also the "changing of
direction" of science...
ScnWrt: Excuse me. I will pick up Fran at the bus
station, and I'll return shortly. Please continue.
frogmobile: Is there any significant impact? And what
is the result of it?
frogmobile: Estoy sonriendo.
Einai2000: ...underlining that psychology is playing
an important role...
frogmobile: Okay Carl.
Einai2000: Sorry, Khalid?
Einai2000: Okay, Carl.
frogmobile: Bye Carl
frogmobile: It has always and continues unabated,
Iris.
Einai2000: ...probably there is no "impact" of 1984
- but rather a "illustration" of the ruling relations ..... did you mean
this, Khalid?
frogmobile: That is why we have a ruling (successful)
class whose leadership goes uncontested.
frogmobile: Perfect, Iris, that is what I mean.
frogmobile: (meant)
frogmobile: How's life their in la ULA?
Einai2000: ...or, as E. From put it: a powerful "warning",
and it would be most unfortunate if the reader smugly interprets 1984 as
another description of Stalinist barbarism, and if he does not see that
it means for us, too.
Einai2000: Life in the ULA is reflecting perfectly
how the system DID indeed succeed, Khalid...
Einai2000: ...I thought about it again yesterday,
in another of the Political Psychology classes we had...
frogmobile: Well, you are correct but most people
tend to be so, especially those from the "Western developed world"; there
is always the "fear" factor in politics but most especially in the U.S.
frogmobile: Give me some examples.
frogmobile: Interestingly here in North America most
people view themselves as "free" and "liberated".
Einai2000: ...it's amazing, or rather horrifying to
see how the students just don't see the points Franz is trying to make,
Khalid. They are precisely explaining in the field of psychology how the
system works - normas, pautas etc. - and still want to "do something
for society" - for example...
Einai2000: ...having explained some sentences ago
that "society" is oppressing them...
frogmobile: Iris I notice that the messages are not
loaded immediately at least from my end - there is a delay.
Einai2000: And what you mentioned, regarding the "feeling"
of freedom...
frogmobile: Yes! but one need to ask them what is
"society"?
Einai2000: ...same here, Kahlid, outrageous connectivity
.... however ...
frogmobile: How do they interpret and analyze the
concept?
Einai2000: ...they are still feeling "free", and the
only thing Franz responded, that it might be better for them, BELIEVING
in this cuento de hadas (fairy tale) ...
frogmobile: Why "society" and not the "ruling class"
or the "State"?
frogmobile: Ha! ha! I agree.
Einai2000: ...or the Labour Process... -
frogmobile: Its getting better now the loading of
my comments
Einai2000: Yes, here too, Khalid, a little faster...
frogmobile: Also there are other factors I think people
are generally content on being ignorant for fear of not wanting to get
"depressed" so they choose to live "blindly" como la vida en la playa.
Einai2000: They have swallowed ideology hook and sinker,
they don't relate, don't think of their own, it's always a strange performance
with those oral expositions...
Einai2000: I really think they could not take it -
seeing what is really going on, Khalid.
frogmobile: Also there are the social pressures and
responsibilities of family and their jobs. Of course what mediates with
in this context is the lure to "commercial pleasure" ---entertainment,
movies, fashion, etc.
frogmobile: and feeling good .......!
Einai2000: Yes, and that's precisely what they "enjoy"...
their illusions...
frogmobile: Here is a question: Should we be bothered?
frogmobile: and: Why or why not?
Einai2000: Bothered, no, surely not,
but it's always strange to see how perfectly well the de-socialization
process worked..
frogmobile: I understand from a theoretical and political
perspective, that we should be concerned, for the sake of confirming what
we already know.
Einai2000: I'm rather bothered about my own limitations,
that's enough I think...
frogmobile: Oops! An error: I understand from a theoretical
and political perspective there are reasons to be concerned for the sake
of confirming what we already know.
Einai2000: Yes, it's somehow "the proof of eating
of the pudding" - quite a bitter one indeed...
frogmobile: Interesting.
Einai2000: And also, talking about how "reality" is
being conceived (?) by the students, what do WE know about "reality" -
the question is also valid I think...
frogmobile: However, for my sake, I don't even dwell
on the topic anymore because I want to "self-preserve" my nerves.
Einai2000: Please explain, Khalid?
frogmobile: True and obviously they also have there
own "reality".
ScnWrt: Hi, guys. I'm back, and I'll review the transcript so far.
Einai2000: obviously so, yes - which probably has little
to to with what is going on ...
Einai2000: Welcome back, Carl!
frogmobile: Well! what I meant I don't normally discuss
these topics with folks here because they are not interested or I find
their level of consciousness not to the level to make a dent in what I
am thinking.
frogmobile: Hi Carl welcome back.
Einai2000: What do you mean by "here", Khalid?
frogmobile: In North America , ...
frogmobile: where I live ...
frogmobile: ... among 'friends' in Canada.
Einai2000: Ok, got your point - yes, probably we also
are "doublethinking" in a certain way...
Einai2000: ...to get back to Orwell...
Einai2000: ...or multiple-thinking - at least, trying
to...
ScnWrt: I think Wilhelm Reich hit it on the nail.
frogmobile: Orwell is relevant but not significant
anymore because despite his "warnings" "who cared." Who cares today?
ScnWrt: And certain practices ended "caring."
Einai2000: ...because we also know, where we
could really express our thoughts, and where not - for example, if one
would do so writing a seminar paper or searching for a job - not affirming
the "official truth", not "behaving" as one should, then, bye, bye job
and university documents...
Einai2000: In which way you think W. Reich did so,
Carl?
ScnWrt: Ending sexual repression ended rebelliousness.
frogmobile: Very good, Iris
frogmobile: Interesting Carl.
Einai2000: Could you please explain, Carl?
Einai2000: Sorry, I fear I didn't get your point,
sitting on the telephone line here...
Einai2000: ...slow burn...
ScnWrt: However, social repression (the groupie peer
ethic) did not lead to rebellion, as Reich thought it would.
ScnWrt: By removing sexual repression, there is no
need to sublimate sexual needs in the form of rebellion.
Einai2000: Indeed, some of the points explained by
Reich (repression of life energy), are described also by Orwell - also
the application in a repressive global state...
ScnWrt: Sticky keyboard.
frogmobile: Reich felt that every form of organized
mysticism is a result of "unsatisfied "orgastic", "orgiastic" longing of
people.
ScnWrt: The idea was partly correct.
Einai2000: ...or of canalizing and perverting life
energy...
Einai2000: in general
frogmobile: The results of the current sate of society
is as a result not only of economic factors but of collective repression
of an "authoritative" sexually inhibited society - so says Reich.
Einai2000: I indicated at the beginning, that Orwell
emphasized the point, that science has changed - and the important role
psychology plays - and yes, Khalid, this is reflected, described in 1984
-
ScnWrt: He didn't realize that this is only partly
correct, and the subconscious - the origin of life energy is always positive
and beneficial.
Einai2000: ... for example, remember the "hate - weeks".
ScnWrt: He didn't realize that the subconscious is
a Pandora's Box, and removing the lid...
frogmobile: Continue, guys. I am following.
ScnWrt: Today, we have hate minutes vs. sales people
who don't meet a sales quota
Einai2000: I also remember a movie Jutta, Franz, Stella
and I saw last year...
Einai2000: don't remember the title, but it was about
a Sabado Sensacional mass mobilization....
frogmobile: I remember "Sabado Sensacional"
Einai2000: every month one individual who was determined
by some institution being a criminal...
Einai2000: was shown on TV, and he/she was the one
who has to be hunted, found and murdered by the people...
Einai2000: this was one of the biggest events...
ScnWrt: Probably based on the USA TV drama "The
Lottery" (1940's)
ScnWrt: Award winner.
Einai2000: ... all running behind the respective person
with rifles etc., in order to be the one who finally could assassinate
and win "the prize"... horrible movie..
Einai2000: Parallel Universe - yes, this was
the title I think...
frogmobile: Okay, Iris, this would seem to be a different
"sabado sensacional"
frogmobile: Interesting
Einai2000: ...yes, an updated one, Khalid - to canalize
hate,
etc. - in the Orwellian sense...
ScnWrt: Exemplifies removal of sexual repression and
increasing social suppression.
Einai2000: Yes, Carl - and then, just some weeks ago
in a local newspaper, I read a note that in Berlin they started a "game"...
Einai2000: similar to the one as described in the
movie...
frogmobile: I am following.
Einai2000: somebody, dressed as "Zorro" trying to
hide in the city had to be found within some days, the person who would
find him should receive some Dollars... no joking...
ScnWrt: Hide and seek.
frogmobile: Wow!
ScnWrt: Diversion!
Einai2000: I wouldn't be surprised, if they will include
this "game" some day, modifying it...
Einai2000: maybe still diversion ... and yes, no "big
deal", it just reminded me of the movie and Orwell when I read the note
frogmobile: Carl I cannot read your comments they
appear in small "square boxes"
ScnWrt has left the room.
Einai2000: Khalid, please reinvite, Carl.
frogmobile: Okay
frogmobile: I have
Einai2000: thanks, Khalid
Einai2000: welcome again, Carl
ScnWrt: Thanks, Khalid
ScnWrt: I saved the first part of the transcript.
ScnWrt: Hi, Iris.
Einai2000: Thank you, Carl, I will save it, too..
ScnWrt: Continue, please
Einai2000: But sorry, Carl and Khalid - I noted it's
already about 8 pm, then I must leave in order to get the last bus to San
Onofre, later there will be no transport...
Einai2000: Please, do continue, I think Franz must
be back, soon.
Einai2000: It was a pleasure to be with you here again,
see you next Tuesday!
ScnWrt: Ok, Iris. glad to see you in tonight's chat.
ScnWrt: Hasta la vista
Einai2000: Khalid, I couldn't read your last messages...
they didn't appear here..
Einai2000: Please, greetings to Franz, and until next
Tuesday!
ScnWrt: Khalid. I don't see your messages
Einai2000: Buenas noches, Carl and Khalid! Taketh
care - I saved the script here, too.
Einai2000: Chao!
ScnWrt: Khalid, I still can't read your messages
Einai2000 has left the room.
frogmobile: Carl
frogmobile: Finally I am back
ScnWrt: Now I read you. What happened?
frogmobile: Something very strange happened, I just
don't know.
frogmobile: I tried to send my comments but couldn't
see it after sending it.
ScnWrt: Do you have the Jammer anti-hacker program?
ScnWrt: There you could see if it's a hacker.
frogmobile: There was a problem with one of the files
when I installed it.
frogmobile: I have not fixed it since then.
ScnWrt: File on which program?
frogmobile: Jammer.
ScnWrt: Do you have the original exe file?
frogmobile: It is a Dll file, ws2-32.DLL.
ScnWrt: Do you have registered, pay Jammer?
frogmobile: DLL file, WS2_32.DLL
frogmobile: I think I have but was not asked to pay.
frogmobile: Any ideas?
ScnWrt: Send a message to support@agnitum.com,
and describe the problem. Their support is excellent.
frogmobile: Okay, I will.
frogmobile: It would seem as though Franz will not
be back.
ScnWrt: Dental work - agonizing.
ScnWrt: Proceed with your comments on 1984 Today.
frogmobile: Generally, Carl, I think that despite
all what we have read and learnt; there is a very little we can do
to hold back the tide of change.
frogmobile: The system is too smart and about five
steps ahead of ordinary folks.
ScnWrt: However, there are cracks in the system.
frogmobile: Probably, but not that significant to
make a real dent.
ScnWrt: I think it can be significant.
ScnWrt: For example, some want to expose the UFO alien
farce.
ScnWrt: They realize that Tesla technology is the
most effective economical way to colonize space.
frogmobile: I will search the CBC data base and see
what they say about the UFO's. I think they will air a program on
it soon.
frogmobile: It would be interesting, but of what significance
or difference will it make vis-a-vis society?
ScnWrt: I think they will say that UFO's are human
made, and that the X-files are BS,
frogmobile: Does it mean better health care, less
poverty ......!?
ScnWrt: Yep, a cheaper energy source.
frogmobile: In what way? Translated into what?
ScnWrt: The world hierarchy now realizes, that Tesla
technology will be an alternative to, not replace, the internal combustion
energy.
frogmobile: I will be marvelous, if that is possible.
ScnWrt: They don't fear fast travel across national
boundaries at 12,000 mph, because they'll be no boundaries.
frogmobile: There is a lot of talk about the cost
of energy right now.
ScnWrt: That's how they built colonies on the Moon
and Mars since the 1950's.
frogmobile: However, I thought during the last exploration,
they could not confirm any living life forms on Mars.
ScnWrt: Some Illuminati members now realize they'll
survive if they help humankind survive.
frogmobile: Let's see.
ScnWrt: The non-confirmation was BS.
frogmobile: They will have another expedition soon.
frogmobile: How's the weather there, Carl?
ScnWrt: Cold and raining today.
ScnWrt: How's the weather in your area?
frogmobile: Ouch! Cold and freezing right now.
ScnWrt: Yech!
ScnWrt: Gotta go now. Supper. I'll save the chat.
frogmobile: I am thinking - has anyone managed to
ask any political leader in the US about what they think of Tesla energy.
frogmobile: Okay, Carl.
ScnWrt: Glad you joined. Good question.
frogmobile: We shall continue next week.
ScnWrt: I'll ask Bill Lyne.
frogmobile: Okay.
frogmobile: Let me know when you get a response.
ScnWrt: Yep, La Lucha continua!
frogmobile: Good Night.
frogmobile: Greetings to Fran
ScnWrt: I will send you Bill's comment.
frogmobile: Okay.
ScnWrt: Adios, amigo
frogmobile: Hasta la vista!
frogmobile: Bye!