Orwell Today: Personal Life Experiences -
Franz - Part II: 1960 - 1962
(This Chat I dedicate
to my son, Franz Lee, Jr.)
10th October, 2000
USUAL PRELUDE
naranjahit has entered the room.
naranjahit:
Franz, I am here.
panta98:
Wait, please.
naranjahit:
Carl and Iris are waiting .
CarlZim8 has entered the room.
naranjahit:
Hi Carl!
CarlZim8:
Hi, Stella
CarlZim8:Hi, Franz
Einai2000 has entered the room.
CarlZim8:Where is Iris?
naranjahit:Is
this colour OK?
panta98:
Just a minute, trying to invite Iris!
Einai2000:al
fin!!!!
CarlZim8:Hi, Iris
naranjahit:Iris
INTRODUCTION OF CHAT TOPIC
panta98:OK! Welcome aboard!! Good Evening!!!
panta98: Well, without much ado, let's begin!
Einai2000:
Alright, go ahead Franz!
panta98: As stated before, between 1960 and
1962, I was living in Cape Town, during the day
working as an office clerk, and at night studying.
What I learned about life in that beautiful city
we'll chat about tonight.
CarlZim8: Stella, I added your buddy nane
naranjahit
to my AOL buddy list. Please addc my
name CarlZim8
to your list too.
panta98: I was confronted with the dilemma
of modern education: to think or not to think. That
was the question! And I had to take up arms
against a sea of troubles.
naranjahit: I will do so, Carl.
panta98:Already then, I was wondering about
the term and the conceptual contents of "education". I was asking myself
why everybody wants to be educated, well-educated.
panta98: I also was thinking who governs,
guides education? I wanted to know, if education could
be manipulated, or whether it is manipulation
per
se.
panta98: I was not sure whether education
was really the best thing for me, for anybody for that
matter. But, I had no alternative. I wanted
to be educated. Someone, some book, some brilliant
genius should educate, conscientize me.
panta98: I tried my best at self-"education";
but my "education" clashed with the accepted ideas
of education. I realized, that like any thing
else in the "socialization" process, education has its do's and dont's,
regulated by the government, by schools, universities and teachers.
panta98: I didn't like this idea at all. But,
I had to go through the educational mills of apartheid,
there was no other institution to "educate"
me. The revolutionaries all had enjoyed Western,
Christian Education and Culture.
Einai2000: Quite
important point, Franz!
panta98: Now, before we continue, I would
like to know your views about the education enigma!
frogmobile has entered the room.
panta98: Khalid, I'll paste what I said before.
naranjahit: Hello Khalid!
frogmobile: Hi there,
folks, now who is naranjahit?
naranjahit: Stella.
frogmobile: ha!
ha!
CarlZim8: Hi, Khalid
frogmobile: okay
frogmobile: Where
is Iris?
Einai2000:
Education, in the beloved Patria, is what your students are demonstrating
with excellence,
Franz: learning by heart all those "absolute
truths"... like parrots...
Einai2000:
Good evening, Khalid!
panta98 has left the room.
frogmobile: HI, Stella
frogmobile: Hello,
Iris
Einai2000: outrageous
connectivity ... carramba...
frogmobile: Hi Carl
CarlZim8: I will save the chat
Einai2000: Glad
you could make it, Khalid - I"ll reinvite Franz
CarlZim8: Hi, Khalid
frogmobile: okay.
panta98 has left the room.
frogmobile: Carl
and Stella I will now make note of your buddy names.
Einai2000:
?? What is this? How can Franz leave the room twice if he hasn"t been in
two times???
panta98 has entered the room.
Einai2000:
Franz! Welcome back!
panta98: AOL just threw me out!
CarlZim8: Welcome to AOL.
panta98: Iris, please paste my introduction
back for Khalid to read.
Einai2000:
you stepped out twice, Franz... or you and a AOL clone, who knows...
frogmobile: probably
the clone.
panta98: Who knows? Who am I? Who is Who Still?
Einai2000: OK!
Einai2000:As
stated before, between 1960 and 1962, I was living in Cape Town, during
the day working as an office clerk, and at night studying. What I learned
about life in that beautiful city we'll chat about tonight.
panta98:I'm listening.
Einai2000:I
was confronted with the dilemma of modern education: to think or not to
think. That was the question! And I had to take up arms against a sea of
troubles.
Einai2000:panta98:Already
then, I was wondering about the term and the conceptual contents "education".
I was asking myself why everybody wants to be educated, well-educated.
panta98:I'm reading ....
Einai2000:panta98:I
also was thinking who governs, guides education? I wanted to know, if education
could be manipulated, or whether it is manipulation per se.
panta98:I agree ...
panta98:Proceed ...
Einai2000:panta98:I
was not sure whether education was really the best thing for me, for anybody
for that matter. But, I had no alternative. I wanted to be educated
Einai2000:Someone,
some book, some brilliant genius should educate, conscientize me.
panta98:Any comments, up
to this point, Khalid?
Einai2000:I
tried my best at self-"education"; but my "education" clashed with the
accepted ideas of education.
Einai2000:I
realized, that like any thing else in the "socialization" process, education
has its do's and dont's, regulated by the government, by schools, universities
and teachers.
CarlZim8:It is manipulation
= mind control = labor = alienation.
panta98:D'accord, Carl.
That's the "Formula 1".
Einai2000:panta98:I
didn't like this idea at all. But, I had to go through the educational
mills of apartheid, there was no other institution to "educate" me.
Einai2000:The
revolutionaries all had enjoyed Western, Christian Education and Culture.
panta98:Proceed ....
Einai2000:panta98:Now,
before we continue, I would like to know your views about the education
enigma!
panta98:Before I proceed,
Any Comments? Views"
Einai2000:ok.
CarlZim8: Today, in the USA,
there are some attempts to emancipate education.
panta98: Carl, later we'll
come to the relation Education - Emancipation. I proceeed ....
frogmobile:Franz,
you'll recall I had similar questions and concerns about education, which
we discussed years ago, and finally, I decided to go to University;
but of no avail.
panta98:Yes, Khalid, I remember
that very well.
CarlZim8: School in the home.
panta98:To demonstrate my
precarious situation, let's use "Bantu Education" as a typical example
of global education, when the system finds itself in a dangerous crisis,
that is, let's put Fascist, Nazi, Apartheid Education For Barbarism into
labour focus, within the framework of Orwell's 1984, ...
panta98:... to see exactly
how we "think", what we have enjoyed till now, are still celebrating, and
what awaits us around the corner in Global, Globalized Education.
panta98:As we know, after
the Second "World War", in 1948, in South Africa, the Boer "National Party"
came into power, under the leadership of Daniel Francois Malan.
frogmobile: Yesterday
Americans celebrated Columbus Day, glorifying his "barbarism" and exploits
of native peoples.
panta98:Hence, Nazism and
Fascism were introduced into South Africa under the auspices of Christian
Nationalism. However, in 1948, at the age of ten, while Orwell was still
writing his famous work, I had no idea whatsoever about anything in political
matters.
CarlZim8:That's why there is
alternative education on the Internet.
panta98: More about
that later, Carl.
panta98:Nonetheless, ever
since 1960, working in Cape Town, I began to understand a few fundamental
principles of colonialism, neocolonialism and apartheid, ...
panta98:... that behind
the refusal to allow a "non-white" or a "black" to enter the same public
bus, rest room, train or taxi, the same park, zoological or botanical garden,
or the same concert, beach or church as a "white" or "European", ....
panta98:.. that behind these
all, lies a complex system of economic exploitation, political domination,
social discrimination and human degradation.
panta98:Progressively, in
years to come, I would learn, that this labour system would be called capitalism,
neo-capitalism, post-modern capitalism, post-industrial society, the New
World Order.
CarlZim8:We had that in the
South USA in 1948 - Jim Crow.
panta98:Till here, any brain-waves?
Einai2000:Yes,
this is called "el dia de la raza" here in Venezuela as you might remember,
Khalid ... and Franz, please, proceed first.
panta98:Don't forget later,
in the general chat period, to inform us about that, Carl.
frogmobile: Similar
to what is happening in the occupied terrorities in Gaza and the West Bank.
panta98:Yes, Zionism had
an intimate link with Apartheid.
CarlZim8:Not entirely, Khalid
panta98:Why, Carl?
CarlZim8:The link of Zionism
with Apartheid was convenience.
frogmobile:Any
people that lives under occupation has the right to use whatever means
necessary to free and liberate themselves.
panta98:Their intelligence
service, their atomic bomb scientists, all worked together, Carl.
CarlZim8:Because nobody else
would work with them.
panta98:What South Africa
was for the USA at the foot of the Dark Continent; Israel is still in the
Middle East.
frogmobile:Unfortunately
they have only bricks and and light weapons yet they are all labelled terrorists.
panta98:D'accord, Khalid.
But, let me proceed .....
CarlZim8:The Palestinian youngsters
learned resistance in Israeli schools and at the Ben Zeit University in
Israel.
panta98:In those day, in
South Africa, "racial discrimination" was called "baasskap" (boss-ship),
"separate development" or "apartheid".
panta98:I just were smelling
something fishy in the air, thinking about my English set-work, "Great
Expectations". Before me, out of Nothing, a next "Copernican Revolution"
was dawning,
panta98:.. ushering in vast
radical changes, which would overturn all paradigms, dimensions and parameters,
ushering in a reality which few would ever daydream about.
frogmobile:The
exploitors and repressors are pictured as the "good guys" who are doing
their best for "peace".
frogmobile: and
also as the victims.
Einai2000:...we
learn resistance and more in our Pandemonium University ;-)
panta98:Fine, Khalid.
Einai2000: ok,
please proceed...
CarlZim8:It's more complicated,
Khalid
panta98:Then already, now
integrated into the urban industrial labour force, and continuing my private
university studies, I noticed that the still existing system was robbing
millions of socially discriminated "non-white" people of their land and
produce; ...
panta98:... that it forced
them to live in poverty, misery and disease; that it denied them "modern
education", intellectual, philosophical and technological training; ...
panta98:... that it herded
them like cattle into slums, ghettos, labour camps, overcrowded reserves
and "Bantustans"; it cut them off from any sort of "democratic" expression,
from "freedom" of speech, press and mobility.
frogmobile:Its
not, Carl. The repressors want us to think that it is very complicated
and difficult so as to justify their murder and pillage.
panta98:I saw the others
who were living from the fat of the land, enjoying "milk and honey", living
in wonderland.
panta98:And I asked the
Lord why it should be so, why he allows such inequality, slavery and misery.
As usual, he had no answer whatsoever. Silence is golden, is aristocratic,
is republican, is Platonic.
frogmobile: I
agree Franz.
panta98:Carl & Khalid,
exactly this I'll explain.
CarlZim8:The global powers
would demand enslavement of the Palestinians as the price for the destruction
of Israel
frogmobile:Nope!
We were told that God cares.
panta98:Every Boer politician
spoke about "native rights"; I saw none, nowhere. I began to ask myself:
Are they telling lies? Why? Generally, I knew that lies always hide something,
that often is of a pecuniary nature, guaranteeing special social privileges.
panta98:What are their real
interests? Whose interests are the Boers defending as an Apartheid State?
Why are the "blacks" rebelling? Why can't I get a free, decent education?
Where are my "human rights"?
Einai2000: Those
were your human rights, Franz...
panta98:Iris, agreed. Orwell
and Huxley already gave answers; but their books were forbidden in South
Africa.
frogmobile:There
is no such thing as human rights.
panta98:At last, in 1960,
I noticed that the most effective instrument used to achieve these ends
was the enslavement of the "non-white" mind, by inculcating an inferiority
complex, a pariah mentality into its very soul. More then ever, I wanted
to study, to fight against this mental obscurantism, this national intellectual
obliteration.
CarlZim8: Khalid, both sides
give propaganda bullsheisse.
panta98:Yes, Khalid. Only
Capital Rights!
frogmobile:But
one of them is the occupier of another through the barrel of the gun.
panta98:Of course, today
we call it mind and thought control; a more precise concept is ideology
- intellectual manipulation and indoctrination, brain-washing, mind-laundering.
In short: public education.
panta98:Yes, Khalid, education
when it is successful prevents that something comes out of the barrel of
the gun.
Einai2000:...from
the cradle to the grave... throughout the de-socialization process...
panta98:On the one hand,
the Apartheid government attacked overseas countries, declaring them as
enemies of South Africa, who were imposing sanctions on us, and that were
ignorant of the real internal state of affairs.
Einai2000:...with
your caring fathers as representative overlords ... very nice...
panta98: On the other hand,
the government "loved" its "natives" and it did everything for their
own benefit, for their common good, their social welfare.
frogmobile: remember
how we in Guyana too were "occupied" by the British.
Einai2000: Franz:
you said: to US ...
Einai2000: to
whom did you refer to?
panta98: "Us" meant We,
South Africans (from whom, as usual, of course, all 'non-whites'
were excluded) ... yes, Khalid, occupied by the Dutch, and soon by the
Venezuelans.
CarlZim8: Isn't Guyana occupied
by the NWO today?
Einai2000:please,
say this more precise for me?
panta98: Yes, Carl. Also,
on the other hand, "non-white" political demagogues told us about our "friends"
overseas, about many peace- and freedom-loving peoples, about "democracies"
like England and the USA. Mandela himself was fascinated by the British
political system.
panta98:I'll proceed ...
later we'll attend to these crucial questions. Don't forget them.
panta98:Also, our leaders
planned to get "scholarships" for us, to study in England or Germany, where
everybody enjoys a decent, real, true education, according to modern standards.
They spoke about a "free world", about "democratic rights".
frogmobile: however,
in the days of colonialism, leaders were labelled as revolutionaries but
today those in Gaza and the West Bank are called Terrorists.
panta98:Well, Khalid "revolution"
is capitalist; the "reign of terror" is capitalist; the guillotine is bourgeois-democratic.
Don't you remember that?
frogmobile:Of
course, but just look how conveniently they twist and turn the meanings
of the "terms" to suit their own propaganda campaign.
panta98:Agreed, Khalid.
panta98:Anyhow, continuing
... Poor me! I believed in all this, in all fairy tales that would change
my current misery. I could not quite differentiate between faked "beliefs"
and real knowledge. I still knew too little, but I was on my way.
panta98:And I was dreaming
about studying at a decent European university, taught by erudite professors,
where nobody would discriminate me - to enjoy intellectual creativity,
freedom of speech, thought and expression.
panta98:That's what Stella
& Iris are enjoying at present in Mainz and Freiburg.
Einai2000:...Wow,
decent university, maybe there was such a thing when you studied, Franz....
naranjahit: Exactly!
panta98:A priori,
transhistorically, I was daydreaming about sitting in the political, economic,
sociological and philosophical classes of Ernst Bloch, Theodor W. Adorno,
Max Horkheimer, Juergen Habermas, Herbert Marcuse, Iring Fetscher and Ernest
Mandel.
panta98:At least, my darling
"guardian angel" did me a great favour, by guiding me stubbornly straight
toward already rapidly fading intellectual bliss. She, my angel, warned
me that those few professors would be the "last of their race".
panta98:Little did I know,
that, eventually, I myself would become that what I was dreaming about;
of course, then I did not have the foggiest notion about the "future" chain
of events, ...
panta98:... about my political
sojourn of roaming across the globe, begging for a transeunte visa from
place to place.
panta98:Also, I couldn't
know how few real, true students I ever would encounter in life. Also,
I didn't know yet the social causes of such intellectual lethargy, smugness
and prostration.
panta98:I still underestimated
the mortal effects, fatal tenacity and lethal strychnine of educational
ideology.
Einai2000: prostration
-- sorry, what does this mean?
frogmobile: because
it serves the purpose of the ruling elite
naranjahit: Niedergeschlagenheit.
Einai2000:Thank
you, Stella!
panta98:Carl, please explain
it to Iris.
naranjahit: I'm
using my "Babylon".
Einai2000: ya
esta, Franz
panta98:Excellent, Stella.
panta98:Once it has entered
the human mind, it is well-nigh impossible to neutralize it in a lifetime.
I still wanted to waste my precious lifetime to convince, to conscientize,
to mobilize, to educate my fellow(wo)men, the masses, the people.
panta98:Needless to say,
I was still confirming and affirming the reigning system, including its
educational system, completely. How could it be otherwise?
panta98:I believed in God,
that His Will would govern everything towards the "highest good", for the
"best" of mankind. I believed that within this context, ONLY from WITHIN,
the system could be reformed, be improved, be changed.
panta98:Today still, billions
are getting stuck in the stinking mud of this sewerage system, in this
pestilent quagmire, in this heinous degree of skimpy consciousness and
scanty knowledge, thanks to virulent education, virile ideology and vile
mind and body control, ...
Einai2000:Truly
so, Franz. One has to go through all this in one way or the other, step
by step...
panta98:... without ever
being able to acquire a minimum chance of transcending their earthly labour
hell and heavenly alienation misery.
frogmobile: And
yet no one cares!
panta98:This was heavy stuff;
any preliminary remarks, before I continue.
panta98:Correctly so, Khalid.
Einai2000:Are
We "no one", guys???
frogmobile: Oops!
you "gat" me there, Iris.
panta98:I sometimes wonder
about that, Iris.
panta98:Poor, Khalid. Don't
punch my skinny guy so hard!
Einai2000:Well,
I think this is what it's all about..
Einai2000:Pardon,
Franz?
panta98:Let's proceed ....
frogmobile: Ouch!
I feel it man
Einai2000: ok...
panta98:After having digested
all this necessary background information, now, let's see de facto et
de jure , "concretely" what "education" was all about, and still is,
in South Africa. Perhaps, from it, we could deduce bitter lessons that
explain global reality elsewhere.
panta98:Also, as long as
elites, Herrenvolk, Illuminati exist, let's see what education always will
mean on a global, even galactic plane. Yes, the proud educators themselves
have humbly to be de-educated, dis-educated!
panta98:Of course, we respect
any views that differ from ours -- this is the reason why we can state
what we like.
Einai2000:Sorry,
but this would be their own job, Franz...
Einai2000:Please,
proceed.
panta98:Getting back to
the facts .... In Malan's government, Dr. Hendrik "Frikkie" Verwoerd ,
who had studied Psychology in Nazi Germany, was Minister For Native Affairs.
panta98:The policy of "Bantu
Education" was Verwoerd's solution to the "native question", to the threat
of the "swarte gevaar" (black danger) to "white civilization". All Neo-Calvinist
Boers feared a possible future "coffee brown" nation, not yet a "rainbow
nation".
panta98:At first glance,
it seemed that the introduction of Bantu Education was nothing else than
an artificial resuscitation of outmoded tribalism; however, in reality,
there was much more behind this policy.
panta98:In 1953, in a speech
in parliament, the Nazi architect of apartheid, Verwoerd, expressed it
as follows: ...
panta98:... "There is no
place for him (the native) in the European community above the level of
certain forms of labour."
panta98:Well, well. A brilliant
Nazi who studied Psychology in Hitler's Germany should know it. Verwoerd
touched the quintessential point of education: exploitation of labour,
of "native" labour power.
panta98:Further, it was
stated: "What's the sense of teaching a native mathematics, when he'll
never use it in his adult life."
panta98:He also explained
that "natives" are simply "grazing cattle": "Until now he has been subjected
to a school system which drew him away from his own community and misled
him by showing him the green pastures of European society in which he was
not allowed to graze."
panta98:Whatamansay!! In
the document, "Bantu Education Policy", Verwoerd wrote: "Bantu education
should stand with both feet in the reserves and have its roots in the spirit
and being of Bantu society."
panta98:The crux of the
matter, which is valid for education on a global scale: "Their education
should not clash with Government policy."
panta98:About the future,
also about the future of the contemporary "global proles",
panta98:Verwoerd let the
famous Schrödinger’s Cat out of the Globalized Pandora Box: ...
panta98:... "If the native
in South Africa today ... is being taught to expect that he will live his
adult life under a policy of equal rights, he is making a big mistake."
panta98:You were right,
Khalid. Human Rights are BS!
panta98:The next premier,
J. G. Strijdom, explained what type of "education" the "natives" should
receive: ...
panta98:... "Our policy
is that the Europeans must stand their ground and must remain Baas (overlord)
in South Africa. If we reject the Herrenvolk (master race) idea and the
principle that the white man can remain Baas, ...
panta98:... if the franchise
is to be extended to the non-Europeans, and if the non-Europeans are given
representation, ... how can the Europeans remain Baas?"
panta98:The next president,
C. R. Swart, explained to us what is a "good native":
panta98:" ... (blacks) should
learn to be good natives as tribal natives and should not be imitators
of the white man. ... this is the only sound policy."
panta98:Well, folks, a "good
native" is a "dead native".
panta98:In 1953, the "Bantu
Education Act" was passed in parliament, and it legitimized the Native
Affairs Department to direct the acting, thinking, aspirations and future
happiness of the then over 15 million "blacks".
panta98:For other sections
of the "non-white" population similar departments and education were developed.
panta98:In 1966, in New
York City, in a public lecture I stated: "Bantu education is designed to
retribalize the African, to form him as potential cheap labourer, to enslave
his mind, and to kill every sign or spark of revolutionary fire in him."
panta98:I also stated: "After
Hitler, Verwoerd believed: 'If you want to control a people, you must get
hold of their education.'" Like Hitler, this the colonialists, the missionaries
-- and now the Illuminati -- always knew.
panta98:You, guys, still
reading .... or totally shocked??
Einai2000: ...or,
referring to your comment above, Franz: only in other words: these are
the "human rights", the rights of the "humans", understood as being the
"speaking tools" as Aristoteles called them... And on education: this is
precisely what education is all about, Bantu education on a world scale,
Bantu Philosophy...
naranjahit:reading,
enjoying ....
panta98:After all, this
is the ultima ratio of all ruling class educational systems. Read
your Plato, The Republic.
CarlZim8: Listening.
panta98:Bantu education
demonstrated how the educational system sieves out the various victims
for specific types of labour.
Einai2000: reading
AND shocked, apart from the fact that some of the these quotations sound
familiar to me, Franz
panta98:Primary and secondary
education were not compulsory for "blacks". One in ever 200 "blacks" actually
completed the fifth year of schooling. The rest were "material" par excellence
, were cheap physical labourers for the farms and mines.
CarlZim8:Agreed, Franz
panta98:They could just
about read a few simple, short, formal-logical sentences, count to 100,
sign their names, and understand the orders of their white masters.
CarlZim8:Same in the South
USA in 1948.
panta98:Yes, Carl. it was
all that "bad".
CarlZim8: Very Bad!
panta98:In the primary and
secondary schools an inordinate time was given to religious instruction
- the "opium" most fitted to keep them docile, meek, humble, and contented
with their lot. In short: to religious "brain-washing".
panta98:The longest teaching
time was given to manual training and physical exercises. The pupil had
to learn how to use a broom, pick or shovel scientifically -- and there
was plenty of practice.
panta98:In History, the
"blacks" had to learn what ferocious, blood-sucking ancestors, like Chaka
and Dingaan, they had; also how brave the Voortrekkers, Piet Retief and
the rest were. Of course, like Hegel's Great World Spirit, "Great Whites"
made "History", and brought "civilization" to Africa and to Mankind.
panta98:In typical "newspeak"
style, special textbooks were written for "blacks" in a pseudo-African
language called a vernacular. Language was fabricated by civil servants.
panta98:And then censorship
prevailed. 20 000 international books were banned in South Africa. The
public libraries came under the axe of apartheid; it was a crime to read
"Black Beauty", Bertrand Russell, Marx, etc.
CarlZim8: Even in The
Bronx, USA, in 1948, the manual labor consisted mostly of Blacks.
panta98:At the university
level, in segregated institutions, the very same system prevailed. In 1965,
of a "white" population of about 3.5 million, 33,526 students attended
university; of about 15 million "blacks", only 946 attended "tribal universities".
panta98:Yes, Carl. I'm giving
you the data of "education".
panta98:Nobody wanted "Bantu",
"Coloured" or "Indian" education. From one end of the country to the other,
it had to be bolstered up with police force, machine-guns, with an army
and a galaxy of "racist" laws.
CarlZim8:Fortunately, book
banning was insignificant in USA.
panta98:The crux of the
matter is that everything that happened in Apartheid South Africa was linked
to the central issue of channelling cheap black physical labour force into
the mines, farms, factories and industries.
panta98:And this applies
to "post-modern" education everywhere today.
panta98:Today, because this
priority has become obsolete, even Apartheid had to believe in it.
Einai2000:And
Orwelldescribes
precisely this, the "content", tasks and objectives of a "Crimestop" --
it includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive
logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are
inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any
train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction.
panta98: Bravo, girl, you
did your "home-work"! For the time being, this central issue continues,
enabling Mbeki's "Black Middle Class" to flourish, also enabling Clinton's
and Bush's Global Post-Industrial Capital still to reap the last desired
fruits of their labour, ...
Einai2000: ..
task and objectives of education...
panta98:Well quoted, Iris.
that's the essence of "education".
Einai2000: page
175...
Einai2000: forgot
the quotation marks.
panta98:continuing ... ...
in thanksgiving for having relinquished so peace-lovingly the hated Apartheid
System and the infamous Wall Of Berlin.
CarlZim8: Wall of the Minds
- still exist today.
panta98:Sorry folks, that's
all for now: That's it for today. Next time, I'll continue with my global
adventure to receive a decent "education". Now, let's continue our chat
about "education" as an instrument to enslave the human mind, serving mind
and thought control, newspeak.
panta98:Now, I'm listening,
sitting back, reading your comments. ....
CarlZim8:In Russia today, education
= State's religion.
panta98:Interesting observation,
Carl.
panta98:The Wall of Mind
Control, of Ideology!
panta98:Well,
panta98: they got back to
feudalism, to Czarism.
panta98:From Leningrad to
St. Petersburg!!
CarlZim8:However, in the USA,
we are experimenting with some emancipatory education.
panta98:Quite "one step
forward, three steps backwards".
Einai2000:Carl,
could you please explain?
CarlZim8: From Baltic to Samarkand.
panta98:Be careful that
we don't step backward from the Bush into the Biblical "Burning Bush".
CarlZim8:Iris, the Russian
Empire still exists - Everyone speaks Russian.
Einai2000:Where,
at which university could one receive this emancipatory education?
panta98:Well, the poor "Bushmen".
panta98:P. U. -- guess where
that is?
Einai2000: PU?
CarlZim8:Iris, in the Home
and Internet, not University.
Einai2000:
Peoples
University?
panta98: No, continue guessing.
....
Einai2000: Franz?
Sorry?
CarlZim8: Individual university.
Einai2000:
But
you said, Carl, thay are experimenting in the USA?
CarlZim8: Yep.
panta98: On the Internet:
Pandemonium
University of Prof. Coseino!!!
CarlZim8: Agreed, Franz
Einai2000: but this is not in the USA, as
far as I know?
panta98: Nowhere else, my dear!
CarlZim8: It's in the USA.
panta98 has left the room.
Einai2000: But were, Carl? I"d like to visit
that place and check it out.
Einai2000: place or site...
Einai2000: Will reinvite, Franz..
panta98 has entered the room.
Einai2000: OK,
I invited Franz.
panta98:Interesting what
AOL does to me.
Einai2000: back
again, Franz!
panta98:Khalid, tell me
something nice about your educational experiences.
CarlZim8:Iris, you will have
to visit the homes in the USA. ... I will search for the site URL's.
CarlZim8:Please
proceed, Khalid
panta98:Did you still read
my previous last sentence? : panta98:On the Internet:
Pandemonium
University of Prof. Coseino!!!
Einai2000:Of
course I did, Franz!
CarlZim8:Yep, Franz.
panta98:Khalid, what about
education in British Guiana?
panta98:And now in British
Canada?
CarlZim8:Please proceed, Khalid
panta98:Or in French Canada?
Einai2000:Ok,
Carl.
panta98:Stella, you enjoy
your German university education?
frogmobile:The
experiences are very similar, but different. It was a subtle but very "discriminatory
road to the top." I had to fight against the "lies that my teachers taught
me", like any other "Third World" student studying in a developed country.
naranjahit: sure!;-)
panta98:AOL messing around
again.
panta98:Can't read your
latest messages.
panta98:Well, there they
come again.
Einai2000: frogmobile: The
experiences are very similar but different. It was a subtle but very
"discriminatory road to the top."
CarlZim8: Can you read this?
Einai2000: frogmobile: I
had to fight against the "lies that my teachers taught me" like any other
"third world" student studying in a developed country
panta98: Yes, Proceed .... Khalid.
CarlZim8: Franz, do you read me now?
Einai2000: Did you get the messages, Franz? I can read you, Carl, Khalid
and Franz
panta98 has left the room.
Einai2000: Please proceed, Khalid - I reinvited Franz.
panta98 has entered the room.
Einai2000: Franz.
CarlZim8: I invited Franz
panta98: OK!
Einai2000: Thank you, Carl.
panta98: Thanks!!! it's not my "lucky day" with AOL today!!
frogmobile: The problem with University education is the system does
not provide the basis for
encourage critical thinking because the very teachers are all just
mediocre.
Einai2000:Franz.
CarlZim8:I invited Franz
panta98:OK!
Einai2000:Thank
you, Carl.
panta98:Thanks!!!
frogmobile:The
problem with University education is, that the system does not provide
the basis for to encourage critical thinking, because the very teachers
are all just medicore.
CarlZim8:Proceed, Khalid
panta98:Why, Khalid?
naranjahit: medicore?
frogmobile:So
any opinion to the contrary is view as radical and out of place
Einai2000: mediocre,
Stella
naranjahit: ok.
frogmobile:So
any opinion to the contrary is viewed as radical and out of place.
CarlZim8: Are they mediocre
because salaries are low?
panta98:In such a sophisticated
world system, in geneticism, clonism, you find "mediocre" teachers??? I
don't dig this!!!
panta98:I thought that the
teachers are more "brilliant" than ever before.
frogmobile: because
they do not have the critical thinking skills, because of how they were
'educated'
panta98: They know more.
CarlZim8:They know more,
understand less!
panta98:Well, then the fundamental
question: What is education? Brainwashing, Brain-laundering?
Einai2000:What
else should it be, Franz?
panta98:Do you all still
want "education", want to be educated, want to educate anyone?
Einai2000:Oh
no, thanks, none of this sort at least...
CarlZim8:Agreed, Iris
panta98:You want a Ph.D?
Want to read educational books?
Einai2000:Franz....
panta98:Want to teach? At
the university? On the Internet? Educate anybody on the Internet?
panta98: Sorry, for being
the devil's advocate now!
Einai2000: You're
sweet, Franz, go ahead...
panta98:So, what do we want?
panta98:Carl, any suggestions?
panta98:Khalid, any proposals?
CarlZim8: We want to help
others think for themselves.
panta98:Iris, any sweet
ideas?
frogmobile:
None, man.
panta98: Stella,
anything else?
Einai2000: I"m
having my fun here, great chat!
panta98: Me too.
Einai2000: I
know, my dear!
panta98: Carl, an interesting
suggestion. Any questions, guys?
naranjahit: Erasing
all the time here, I am too slow - sorry!
Einai2000:Don"t
worry, Stella!
panta98:Never mind, Stella.
Practice makes perfect. We'll edu ... you to be faster soon. Just a few
chats more!!
naranjahit: Thank
you, Profe!
frogmobile:Stella!
Stella! what's up there? Are the eyes 'open'?
Einai2000: Stella,
du hirsch!
naranjahit: ;-)
panta98:Help others to think
for themselves. .... mmm ....
panta98: In which way, Carl?
Einai2000:Which
"others", Carl?
panta98: Others
think for them -- they just repeat, masticate.
panta98: Why should we help
them to think, Carl?
panta98: Did they never
ever get to the idea to think, to think for themselves?
panta98: How are we going
to perform this miracle, to activate them, to stimulate them??
Einai2000:And
from were do we get the "right" for educating them? If this would be possible
in the first place?
panta98:Khalid, any "bad"
ideas?
frogmobile: I
just saw on TV, Isreali soldiers opening up fire on "school boys" throwing
stones.
panta98:Is that not typical
"education", Khalid?
panta98:In my primary school
days, the teacher whipped us properly with a stick.
panta98:They educated us
-- it was for our own good.
Einai2000: ooooff...
indeed. And not only during primary school...
panta98:So why was "education"
beaten into us -- was it perhaps because we in our youth were still thinking?
CarlZim8:In previous wars in
the Middle East, Arab and Israeli soldiers were shooting at each other.
panta98: Chaka Zulu
said where this "shooting at each other" would end. Now, how are
we going to "beat out" this strychnine from the heads of our Internet friends?
CarlZim8: What did that solve?
frogmobile:
Nothing
to help the oppressed.
panta98:What would happen,
if they really "think", and that they think that we are "crazy"?
Perhaps, we're really crazy, because we think. Only "locos'
think!
frogmobile: Religion
and Politics at its best.
panta98:Yes, Khalid.
CarlZim8:Yep, Khalid
frogmobile:
thanks
to the education system.
panta98:Now, is this not
shocking to know what education is, what it is all about?
CarlZim8: Franz, actually,
education needs shock treatment.
panta98: In South Africa,
in the Apartheid system, Bantu education was in reality Education
For Barbarism.
frogmobile: It
would never happen, Carl. because it is not in the best interest
of those who control education.
CarlZim8:We need to submit
our material for publication on other sites.
panta98: Probably, we'll
just be looking for trouble, and create nuisances. Now what about education
at Yale, Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge, London School of Economics, Freiburg,
Mainz and Toronto?
CarlZim8: Mind control, Franz
CarlZim8:I
want a system where there are no victims and oppressors.
CarlZim8:
No solders shooting guns, no kids throwing stones.
panta98: Martin Luther King,
Bill Clinton, Nelson Mandela, all wanted and still wish for similar things.
Nevertheless, we don't need to study electronic mind control or other sophisticated
scientific projects; the biggest newspeak is our global educational
system.
CarlZim8:Yep, Franz
frogmobile:About
a year ago I presented a paper on Intellectual labor and Education Today
at a conference where I demonstrated how the system is gradually changing
the focus on the social sciences in preference for "skilled" technology
training.
panta98:It has to do with
our "classics", our "drama", "plays", "films", "newspapers", etc.
Einai2000:We
can afford to go throught this university farce, because we know what it
is all about....at least I subscribed after having a slight notion at least,
that within this institution I won't "find" what I was looking for...
panta98: ... All are based
in education and culture; they are expressions of education, were written
by educated people, who wanted to educate others.
CarlZim8:Author Arthur Miller
says that in his latest book "Echoes Down the Corrridor."
panta98:The conclusion to
be drawn from this chat on "Bantu education" is horrible, horrendous, far-reaching.
Einai2000:Khalid,
where did you publish this paper? Listbot...?
panta98:That's why I prepared
it very carefully for all of us -- as an emancipatory lesson.
frogmobile:No
longer emphasis is placed on the study of history, politics, or on the
arts students are told that the purpose of "education" in University is
to get a skill and not to "waste time" studying liberal
arts.
CarlZim8:Khalid, please e-mail
the article to us
panta98:Now, what's the
relation of education to emancipation?
frogmobile: It
was not published but I have an incomplete copy here with me
panta98:You see, Khalid,
there we go ....
Einai2000:The
relation of education and emancipation - what you demonstrated once more
here, Franz...
frogmobile:As
a matter of fact there is no funding for the liberal arts anymore.
CarlZim8:Please e-mail it to
us.
panta98:Excellent
idea, Khalid. We need such materials.
Einai2000:Einai2000:
To put it clear: educating is "done" for you; to emancipate, this is your
very own, unique "job", can"t be done by others, you have to accomplish
this "here and now". ,
panta98:OK! Thanks, Stella.
CarlZim8: Franz Fanon advocated
self-education.
CarlZim8:You
need to change yourself from within to influence change outside.
panta98: Since millennia,
Education has a definite epistemology, certain methods, rules -- all launched
by Plato, and also explained in the first pages of his Republic.
frogmobile:Iris
what time is your buseta leaving?
panta98:Not to repeat this
mental crime of crimes, we have to be careful not to fall in the educational
traps.
Einai2000:The
buseta left already, Khalid, I'll stay at Simons place overnight in Merida...
panta98:We need our own
Science & Philosophy, our own Acting and Thinking.
CarlZim8:Traps such as?
frogmobile:
okay
Einai2000:"no
quiero perderme ni un minuto de esta alta peligrosidad", in CAP"s words
:-)
panta98: Carl: such as the
glorious "human being", "human rights", "education", etc. That's
what is demonstrated on all our Home Pages and Forums.
Einai2000:Agreed,
Franz!
frogmobile: alright
CarlZim8: and in these chats
panta98: Yes, Carl. And,
lo and behold, how many are interested in emancipation? And how many in
education?
panta98:Sometimes, I really
wonder how we got a dozen crew members together at all.
CarlZim8:Just before this chat,
a young Egyptian woman who read my profile, ...
panta98:And I'm wondering
whether another dozen still exists at all.
CarlZim8: ... chatted briefly
with me.
panta98:Carl, console me
there!
Einai2000:Please
comment, Carl...
Einai2000:But
Franz: since when this is a question uf quantity?
frogmobile: continue,
Carl
CarlZim8:She shared common
interests - philosophy, arts, humanities.
CarlZim8:
A hornet.
frogmobile:Was
she interested in Tesla energy?
Einai2000: oh
panta98: And, why is she
not here?
panta98: What is she waiting
for? Do hornets "invite" each other?
panta98: Carl, you're always
there. The very first. A masterpiece of a hornet.
panta98:In fact, you are
the only excellent hornet whom I know on the Internet.
frogmobile: Stella
are you there?
Einai2000: Yes,
e.g. when they get signed off by AOL, Franz....!
naranjahit: Yes.
CarlZim8:We need to know the
people before we invite them based on our past experience
frogmobile:true
Carl, I agree
panta98: A few more Carl's,
more quality, and this world won't revolve anymore; it will make
sommersaults.
CarlZim8:Thanks, folks
frogmobile:Carl
is a good guy.
CarlZim8:I appreciate you guys
- You are the very best.
frogmobile:Thanks,
Carl.
Einai2000:I
totally agree with you, Franz and Khalid!
panta98:Yes, Carl. I agree.
But, a real hornet, you just sense, you recognize it, it recognizes you.
It's Love At Every Sight!
CarlZim8:Thanks, Franz.
panta98:Khalid I met as
a young hornet, 23 years ago, he is still just as stingy as ever, he never
left my side, in spite of horrible adverse circumstances.
frogmobile:Yea!
I remember those good old days, man.
panta98:Iris met me, and
she doesn't want to meet anybody else anymore.
CarlZim8:That's excellent,
Franz
panta98:Stella knew from
the start, that everything was "anders", different.
frogmobile: Iris
like her sister are really very wonderful human beings.
Einai2000: And
I
was going on a nice "send to hell" trip...
CarlZim8:Agreed, Khalid
Einai2000:...to
put it somehow...
frogmobile: I
admire their interests and attitude to critical thinking.
panta98:And you, Carl. With
all your suggestions, observations, proposals, you did not allow me to
sleep anymore; I dream in TV squares.
CarlZim8:And you, Franz, the
most mentally stimulating person I ever met.
panta98:Now, this is what
I understand by emancipation --- hundreds of students whom I have "educated"
are as lost as they ever had been before.
frogmobile: Thanks
to Franz, I am what I am too in life - an emancipatory 'being'.
naranjahit has left the room.
CarlZim8:I will reinvite
Stella
Einai2000:I
tried to...
panta98:Thanks, Carl. It's
somtimes refreshing, soothing to hear such emancipatory kind words. Especially
when they are sincere, beautiful and true.
CarlZim8:I reinvited Stella
Einai2000:Thank
you, Carl.
panta98:I invited Stella.
she is queued.
Einai2000:Franz,
you were trying to make a valid point during the last minutes - and not
for the first time of course...
CarlZim8:Queued?
panta98:On the right, she
appears as "Invited", Iris.
panta98:To queue is "Schlangenstehen".
Einai2000:...that
first, if someone isn"t on his/her way anyhow, we could talk and try to
explain etc until the next millenium..
Einai2000:...be
it a single person, be it "the masses"...
Einai2000:I
don"t see Stella?
panta98:That's a central
cognitive principle, who is not already on our orbit, will never get there.
CarlZim8:I don't see Stella
on-line
panta98:No matter how much
patience, encouragement, nice words, loving acts, ....
Einai2000:she
is on AOL, at least appears listed here
Einai2000:yes,
definitely, truly so, Franz.
panta98:You all try to invite
Stella back, as naranjahit, please.
THE AFTERMATH
naranjahit has entered the room.
frogmobile has left the room.
panta98:Hi! Naranja!
What happened?
CarlZim8:Hi, Stella
naranjahit:
midnight online then they kick you off
Einai2000:just
give me a moment, will try once more.
Einai2000:Steeellla!!!
panta98:Now, the frog jumped
out!
Einai2000:Thanks
for joining once more in spite of the late night hours!
panta98:Invite Khalid back,
please.
Einai2000:invited
Khalid
panta98:As I said, now AOL
plays monkey tricks with you again.
panta98:Anyhow, AOL is allergic
to emancipatory compliments.
CarlZim8:Stella, you are listed
off-line on my AOL
CarlZim8:Ok
naranjahit:
Friends it is 2.45am here. I have to sleep a little bit, please send me
the Rest of the chat.
CarlZim8:Stella, OK,
now you're listed on-line
Einai2000:Stella,
alright, it was nice to have you with us! Take care and sleep tight!
CarlZim8:Stella, schlafen sie
wohl. Gute Nacht.
naranjahit:
Take care all! Good night! - Gute Nacht!
naranjahit has left the room.
CarlZim8:I enjoyed your
participation
panta98:Bye! Stella. It
was a great pleasure!!!
Einai2000:Buenas
Noches, Stella!
CarlZim8:Hope you'll join next
Tuesday's chat, Stella
panta98:Iris, you never
were thrown offline. I think you have the whole chat. Please send it to
me.
Einai2000:I"ll
do so, Franz. Please try to invite Khalid, it doesn"t work here.
panta98:Well, perhaps, we
should also conclude for today.
panta98:I'm also a bit exhausted,
and what we wanted to say, we said extensively.
Einai2000:Ok,
Franz.
panta98:I just "hope" that
you enjoyed my humble emancipatory contribution with regard to "education".
CarlZim8:OK, I'll also save
the chat, as insurance
CarlZim8:Excellent
chat
panta98:Next week, I'll
continue.
Einai2000:I
loved your introduction and comments, Franz.
CarlZim8:Labinachti, guten
nacht, buona sera
panta98:I also enjoyed the
chat, Carl.
panta98:Iris, thanks for
tolerating the coldness in my office.
panta98:Gute Nacht, Carl.
Einai2000:Don"t
worry, Franz!
Einai2000:Good
Night, Carl, it was a great pleasure!
panta98:OK! Iris.
CarlZim8:La lucha continua...till
next time. Un grande plaisar.
panta98:Iris, send me the
chat through Yahoo, I'll wait for it.
CarlZim8 has left the room.