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Subject:
        [Philosophy Seminar] Repressive bill
    Date:
        Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:27:01 -0700 (PDT)
    From:
        Carl Zimmerman <czfz@earthlink.net>
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        PhilosophySeminar@ecircles.com
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        Philosophy Seminar <PhilosophySeminar@ecircles.com>
 
 
 

Dan:
I think that the difference between the current repressive bill, if
it becomes law, and previous repressive
laws, such as thse Smith Act, is the accused has no real defense.
Consequently, it's the beginning of
the movement toward dictatorship in the USA without the military coup
and APC's in the streets.
For example, Person A's e-mail is confiscated and read which prevents
Person A's employment. Person A
may not know that the e-mail was confiscated and caused the
rejection. Or if this cofiscation is revealed,
there is little that Person A can do. The messages was read, and the
damage is already done. In
contrast, under the Smith Act,  a person could not be labeled as a
subversive unless proven in a court
of law. Some of the accused won, and avoided this label. I think that
the USA has become the caretaker
of the New World Order, and the global power elite thinks that
democracy cannot provide the required
control.
Carl
 


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Subject:
        [Philosophy Seminar] I know you're busy, but...
    Date:
        Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:33:01 -0700 (PDT)
    From:
        dan goldstein <danagol@excite.com>
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        PhilosophySeminar@ecircles.com
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        Philosophy Seminar <PhilosophySeminar@ecircles.com>
 
 
 

I just want to make the comment that H.R. 3048 is just one of a host
of regressive bills that have been proposed and/or passed by the
Congress, particularly over the last 20 years.

Some of the legislation I refer to has been responsible for the
intensification of the perversely named "War on Drugs." For example,
the "Mandatory Minimum" sentencing structure implemented during the
height of the 1980's "crack epidemic" hysteria. Those laws have had
the apparently deliberate effect of filling the prisons with
non-violent drug offenders. Indeed, an entire Prison-Industrial
Complex has emerged, with all the concomitant evils.

Other repressive legislation has eroded the protections once afforded
by the First, Fourth and Eighth Amendments to the US Constitution.
Still, our lawmakers steadfastly refuse to heed the signs that they
are bringing about a creeping totalitarianism. Or is that what they
want, a police state? Based upon their actions, I tend to think so.

What will it take to get a more significant number of US citizens to
realize that this excessively punitive and decidedly cynical method
of social engineering is extremely detrimental to the continued
existence of (our admittedly deficient) democracy? That these
draconian laws are more harmful than the ills which they supposedly
seek to cure?
 

I would appreciate hearing your thoughts on these issues.

Dan
 
 


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