Iris (Freiburg),
Franz (Merida, Venezuela).
US ELECTIONS, ENERGY & EMANCIPATION
21st November, 2000 (Slightly Corrected Version)
PART ONE
PRELUDE ...
You have just entered room "panta98 Chat79."
CarlzimC has entered the room.
Einai2000 has entered the room.
Einai2000:Buenas
noches, Carl and Franz!
panta98:Good evening, Folks!
Before the current is being cut off. Let's begin!
CarlzimC:Hi, guys
panta98:What a day!!!
Einai2000:Infernal
noise here!
CarlzimC:Proceed
Einai2000:Ok,
Franz
panta98:We had to organize
all the official details to hand in the "Trabajo de Ascenso".
panta98:Al
last, after 7 months, it is completed!!!!
Einai2000:And
it's "Dia del Estudiante", should better be named: "Dia de Bochinche",
caramba!
CarlzimC:Excellent. I can't
wait for an English translation.
CarlzimC:El
dia que me quiero (Gardel).
CarlzimC:Proceed
...
Einai2000:Never
seen so many students at university.... ok, Franz, please...
panta98:A masterpiece: "Reflections
On The Concept of Negation: Contents, Scope and
Limitations of the Negation in the Philosophy of G. F. W. Hegel".
CarlzimC:Influenced the RussIan
State religion.
panta98:It was a horror to
write the work in Spanish, -- the language is feudal, but not philosophic
-- then, translating all the texts ourselves from the original German,
because no translation was worth quoting!!! Now all that in English????
CarlzimC:Influenced the Mideast
conflict for State religion.
panta98:Jutta, correcting,
typing, revising everything, is a walking corpse!!!
panta98:Okay,
let me, nevertheless give a brief introduction to our chat today, and ask
some questions.
CarlzimC:In English for all
English speaking people, including Israelis and Palestinians, to read.
Einai2000:Please
do so, Franz.
CarlzimC:Proceed, Franz.
"Sorry I bothered you."
(A recent ICQ message
from a Palestinian kid on Israeli-owned ICQ)
panta98:Carl, the Israelis and
Palestinians would be surprised how excellent they are fulfilling Hegel's
"emancipatory" dream, destroying nature, human nature and everything else.
If Cadela or Cantv should run wild today, and like Muhammad Ali, I could
not come back, save the chat for me.
Einai2000:Okay,
Franz.
CarlzimC:Yep
CarlzimC:Like
Max Schmeling.
CarlzimC has left the
room.
Einai2000:Franz,
das ist ein SAU LAERM hier!!!
panta98:Yes, Carl! Just to
launch the discussion, very briefly let me make some remarks, paving the
road towards a most interesting discussion; also let me ask a few introductory
questions. Thereafter, we will go straight to "business".
Einai2000: Please
invite Carl, Franz.
CarlzimC has entered
the room.
Einai2000:Welcome
back, Carl.
panta98:Yes, Carl! Just to
launch the discussion, very briefly let me make some remarks, paving the
road towards a most interesting discussion; also let me ask a few introductory
questions. Thereafter, we will go straight to "business".
panta98:I
am sure that all of us have read and studied the current news items, our
latest postings, correspondence and documents; after all, that is why we
are distributing them.
CarlzimC:Yep
panta98:For sure, nearly all
of us are very busy, and we did not find sufficient time to read everything.
No problem, this is quite natural, quite social, sociable.
panta98:Quite
a valid argument in these turbulent days of democratic and republican elections,
sitting up late, awaiting Godot's results; meanwhile, the world bemoans,
frets that it has no future president in sight. Imagine Postindustrialism,
Postmodernism, Postcapitalism without a "Great Leader"! A Political Scandal!
CarlzimC:Yep
panta98:And we cannot enjoy
our "Games", we cannot play "Follow My Leader".
panta98:Never
mind, we live in a democratic society, and democracy caters for such casualties.Everybody
has a vote, can shape the destiny of his country, of the globe, of the
future.The only problem is that one must insist that his vote is really
counted and recounted.
CarlzimC:NWO governs behind
the scenes
panta98:More than ever before,
in the jig-saw electoral campaigns, still Great Men like Clinton, Gore
and Bush make "history". This is the human essence of Global Democracy.
We still believe in this -- since centuries Big Brother has us by the ....
panta98:Yes,
Carl, behind the scenes, between the bed-sheets, many things happen.
CarlzimC:Yep, the vote count
= coupons.
panta98:We should take a glance
at this so much praised democracy, at the human rights of free expression,
of free decision-making, of freedom of thought and speech. We should ask
some fundamental questions.
panta98:If
democracy is a farce, then why do billions believe in such a political
lie? Did democracy affect their brains? If not, then something went wrong
somewhere.Some "conspiracy" had thrown real, true democracy out of orbit.
Well, how can we rescue, can we improve, can we perfect democracy again.
Was it ever perfect, absolute?
panta98:Or
is democracy just "human", existing with the birthmarks of human imperfection?
As Winston thought in "1984", "The future lies in the hands of the
proles, sorry, of the 'hornets' ". Today, why do the "hornets" have a better
democratic chance than the "proles" of yestermillennium?
CarlzimC:First, we must recognize
that it's a plutocracy.
panta98:Any comments, Carl
or Iris?
CarlzimC:The hornets know this
- better chance.
panta98:OK, Carl, we'll give
Pluto a nice fleshy bone just now.
panta98:Who
coined, who discovered, who benefits from democracy?
CarlzimC:The power elites.
panta98:Pluto is not only a
planet -- he is also the God of Capital!
CarlzimC:Yep
panta98:What are the relations
of democracy to "political independence", to "political freedom", "political
justice" and political domination?
panta98:Within
our global system, what is the difference between democracy and republicanism?
CarlzimC:In the USA, itstarted
in 1776.
panta98:Is (neo-)liberalism
a form of democracy? Fascism? Nazism? Authoritarianism?
CarlzimC:No difference - All
bullscheisse.
panta98:Agreed, Carl! Why are
"socialist", "communist" systems not "democratic"? Why are "regimes of
terror" sometimes "democratic" and in other times "undemocratic"?
CarlzimC:All directed to achieving
the same goal.
panta98:Why are "democracy"
and 'republicanism" top political favourites in the USA today?
panta98:Which
interests do these political forms express respectively?Well, there we
go .....
CarlzimC:Diversions from reality.
panta98:Now we can continue
the debate. That was my brief introduction.
panta98:Why
"diversion from reality", Carl?
CarlzimC:Can you imagine if
people knew what is really happening?
panta98:No, Carl. What would
happen, if they should know?
CarlzimC:They'd be up in arms.
panta98:What do you think.
Iris?
Einai2000:Bread
and Games, like out there at university at this very moment. The desk I'm
sitting at is shivering, the windows, too. "People" are not interested
in know what is really happening, at least not these zombies supposedly
"students" out there...
Einai2000:It's
nearly unbearable, damnit! I'd wish I would have some of these nice devices
they sai y Ibn Laden & Co have... please proceed, Franz and Carl.
panta98:Today, after the "Day
of The Race", we have the "Day Of The Student" here in Venezuela!
panta98:Iris,
just tell Carl, how our "hornets" celebrate their academic day!
Einai2000:They
are completely, definitely BEYOND ANY POSSIBLE SALVATION!
panta98:Why?
CarlzimC:Why is racism not
addressed? At my local spa, a Syrian guy introduces himself by pointing
to his blue eyes attributed to his mother.
Einai2000:They
"celebrate" their "academic" day with bochinche (a rowdy) the Venezuelan
way - miche, and NOISE, which is suopposed to be "music".
Einai2000:...sorry,
please proceed, Carl and Franz
CarlzimC:Bread and Circuses
(Vosnosensky)
panta98:Everything in this
country is "bochinche", "bull-fighting".
Einai2000:I'm
trying to "cool off" -- that's it, Carl, exactly
panta98:In fact a few meters
away from our Faculty, symbolically, you find the bull-ring.
panta98:Alma
mater and "Plaza de Toros" next to each other!
CarlzimC:Why didn't the Syrian
guy talk about his job, education, hobbies until later?
Einai2000:Truly
so, Franz. For the time being, its within "Alma Mater"...
CarlzimC:Blue eyes for social
acceptance - horrible.
Einai2000:Have
to read back, moment please, trying to join the boat.
panta98:Bull, Bullsch ... in
the alma mater, in the soul of the mother, with blue eyes!?
CarlzimC:Yep, Bullscheisse
- like the vote count
CarlzimC:Related
to this is my recent ICQ message from a Palestinian kid on Israeli-owned
ICQ.
panta98:Actually, Carl &
Iris, I am 32 years in this "educational" and "academic" world, but never
ever on three continents I have seen such a rapid deterioration of the
mind, of thinking and thought, as at present.
CarlzimC:He said he got my
name at random, but that doesn't matter.
CarlzimC:He
gave me links of photos showing kids who were shot in the recent conflict
panta98:In Venezuela, the situation
is especially horrifying, and this is the heritage of Spanish and Portuguese
feudalist, Catholic absolutism.
CarlzimC:I expressed my regrets,
but said there is little I can do.
CarlzimC:He
said he understand, and closed by saying "Sorry I bothered you."
CarlzimC:I
closed by saying "You didn't bother me."
panta98:And imagine a mind,
reflecting the dark ages, affected by the information age, this is enough
to run a whole country wild and crazy, to put mad cows to shame.
Einai2000:You
bet the mad cows are not as mad as the bunch out there...
CarlzimC:The kid thought he
was bothering me - Horrible
panta98:Yes, horrible, Carl.
CarlzimC:Iris, the whole world
is suffering from mad cow disease.
panta98:Yes, Carl, the Zombie
version of the MAD Disease!
Einai2000:Yes!!
panta98:Now, if 200 000 years
of the reign of homo sapiens sapiens had brought us this far, what
do we deduce from this, with reference to our wonderful solar species?
CarlzimC:There are hornets
that will start a new solar species in the space colonies.
panta98:What chances for survival
does he hav? Did he not say that he must work, must dominate Nature, in
order to survive, in order to satisfy his needs. Why did he get crazy in
the process?
Einai2000:That
it is the crown, the highest blossom of mad cow disease!
panta98:Why did billions get
crazy, and a handful remained sane?
CarlzimC:His organism couldn't
handle the information.
CarlzimC:The
useless electronic gizmos.
CarlzimC:The
fast talking.
panta98:Was it really "information",
or perhaps "deformation", like the deformed "socialism" in the Soviet Union?
CarlzimC:The mass media =
Bullscheisse
CarlzimC:Disinformation
panta98:Dissocialization,
perhaps?
CarlzimC:Dissociation (divide&conquer).
panta98:What caused all this?
A curse? Original Sin?
CarlzimC:If I buy groceries
on the web, I don't meet the guy who delivers them.
panta98:Did Man not work hard
enough? Is his "technology" under-developed, perverse?
CarlzimC:Labor = alienation
CarlzimC:His
technology is enslaving him
panta98:Well, the good old
days of the delivery-boy, of the post-man, of the milk-man are gone forever.
Now we have Internet, perhaps a "blessing" in disguise?
CarlzimC:Nope. Dehumanization
in some respects.
panta98:Agreed, Carl.
panta98:And
you, Iris?
panta98:Now,
coming back to our central theme. How come that man invented democracy,
or is it also demo-crazy?
CarlzimC:Demo-bullscheisse.
panta98:Well, the USA just
gave us a demo of this Bullscheisse!
CarlzimC:Where has democracy
ever existed?
CarlzimC:Or
a republic?
panta98:The latest info on
the demo of B.S. is an eye-opener!
CarlzimC:In the Union of Soviet
Socialist Republics?
Einai2000:It's
one of the necessary moments or aspects - in Ancient Greece e.g... also
in Venezuela, in the USA - that's what democracy is all about...
panta98:Where has anything
ever existed what our teachers and politicians had taught us?
Einai2000:As
ideology in our minds...
panta98:In a crazy mind, only
crazy things live.
CarlzimC:Ideology = mind contro
l= labor = alienation.
panta98:Yes, Carl, That's the
formula! Hence our superstructure, our society is a world of make-believe,
an irreal, sorreal, macabre irreality.
CarlzimC:... = winner = loser
takes it all = To be AND not to be!
panta98:Now, why do over 99%
of US Americans vote for a fake "democratic" and "'republican" irreality?
panta98:Is
this what "education" has achieved over there?
panta98:How
do the organizatuion of "space colonization" match with the organization
of political elections? The Zanj and Zulus were far better off, centuries
ago!
CarlzimC:Brainwashing, but
actually, a large number of USA citizens didn't vote.
panta98:How could the election
tradition, based in the "Bill Of Rights", end up in such a Millennium Fiasco?
panta98:Even
if they did not vote, but they support daily that what produces such idio-syncracy,
idiot-craziness, such an obsolete voting system, measured by its very own
standards.
CarlzimC:In outer space, they'll
need a different organization to handle the continuous problems and challenges,
many of which will be unknown.
CarlzimC:Franz,
most don't support the system, but can't change it.
panta98:If they cannot even
organize an election, not even count correctly, 1.2.3. --- how on galaxy,
will they ever "colonize" anything? Furthermore, they should not change
the "system", firstly, change 'thremselves"!
CarlzimC:Not ready yet.
panta98:They cannot even re-count
correctly, then they must be analphabets!
panta98:And
not even fit to be space colonizing alphas and betas!
CarlzimC:Hornets will colonize
space. Mindless robots can't do it.
Einai2000:...or
thay are applying a new kind of "maths'", who nows, "directional" re-counting...
panta98:Those "hornets" will
have to be born first, from another galactic species. Do you mean "human
robots" or mechanical ones? Mad robots?
panta98:Carl,
what is really "wrong" with America?
CarlzimC:See the movie Battle
for Algiers (Guido Pontecorvo (Jewish), Yaacob Saadi (Arab), France,
1960's) on video.
panta98:Once upon a time, it
was the land of a zillion opportunities, everybody went there. And now?
panta98:We
could not find the video as yet, Carl.
CarlzimC:It's Racism = labor
= alienation, emerged stronger than ever before - that's what's wrong!
panta98:Maths? Iris? No, MADS!!
Einai2000:
:-) yes, Franz..
CarlzimC:Fear of out
of the box thinking, which is needed.
panta98:Are there others who
think differently, Carl? Where are they? What do they do and say?
panta98:Are
they those who voted for Nader?
CarlzimC has left the
room.
CarlzimC has entered the room.
CarlzimC:Hi
Einai2000:panta98:Are
there others who think differently, Carl? Where are they?What do they do
and say?
Einai2000:panta98:Are
they those who voted for Nader?
Einai2000:Hi
again, Carl!
panta98:Carl, in which way
do the Democrats and Republicans really differ? What is the politico-economic
difference between those who back Gore, and those who back Bush?
panta98:Which
group favours the advancing Information Age? Globalization? Space Colonization?
CarlzimC:Some voted for Nader,
some for Buchanan, others didn't vote. Those whom I meet in chats think
they're manipulated by Gov't and business.
Einai2000:...please
proceed...
Einai2000:And
their conclusions, Carl?
panta98:But that a very old
"peasant truth", a "Binsenwahrheit", that my great grandmother already
knew.
CarlzimC:Both follow the global
elites' thrust for globalization and space colonization.
Einai2000:Aha!
Interesting!
panta98:Well, then, why not
declare two identical presidents?
CarlzimC:Bush is a stooge of
the global oil elites like his father.
panta98:When the one goes womanizing,
the other could look after the USA business.
panta98:A
day president and a night president; a bad fellow, and a bed-felow!!!
CarlzimC:Gore is influenced
by the oil elites, but the outcome will be the same.
panta98:Or is the whole election
drama just a 'scape-goat" device?
panta98:Before,
in Germany, it was the Jews, now in the USA, it is the "presidents"!
CarlzimC:On the Mideast chats,
when I mention the oil elites, Israelis and Palestinians don't reply. Fear?
CarlzimC:They
just trade insults and slogans.
panta98:But oil will be out
by 2025, so why still the fuss, when all governments already possess Tesla
Technology?
CarlzimC:While people are being
killed!
panta98:The killing of people
is natural, is part of the labour system for ages.
CarlzimC:Because it will be
a secondary energy source. No one will put their eggs in one basket
CarlzimC:That's
why the global elites now want TOTAL control of Mideast oil production
as well as technology.
CarlzimC:Closing
ranks. Want to make OPEC impotent.
panta98:Firstly, let the Americans
begin to count the slave victims, the "Crusade" victims, the "Holy Wars"
victims, the colonial victims, the pest victims, the "World War" victims,
the Gulaq victims, the Holocaust victims, the Hiroshima and Nagasaki victims,
the AIDS victims, the victims of disease, poverty and misery, only after
this thorough practice, then they would be able to count the Florida votes,
without the necessity of re-counts.
CarlzimC:The victims are the
diversions,
the scapegoats.
CarlzimC:Make
the vote counters glad - it isn't them.
panta98:"People Killed" that
is what the system was all about for millennia -- that is "Human Rights"
-- the right to be killed, to get killed!! That's republicanism and democracy!!!
panta98:IIiiirrriiisss!
Still counting the dead, the living dead, the dead living?
CarlzimC:It's a kid saying
"Sorry I bothered you." This should be included in the title of this chat.
Einai2000:Listening
to the roaring noises of the living dead...
panta98:Alone during the reign
of Belgium's famous
Leopold in the Congo, the dead victims,
holding hands, also those of Kabila, would go right round the equator of
the earth. If we add the unemployed "vagabonds" of Henry VIII, also massacred,
then the rest would go arounf the equator of the Moon.
CarlzimC:It's the same old
story.
CarlzimC:worldwide.
panta98:Billions are ideolgically
stark, pitch dark blind! Can't they see these murderers - Man, the
murdering, killing, assassinating beast! Is Labour not Killing? Not Killing
Nature! Killing Society!!! Killing History, a Killing History! Killing
the Planet Earth!!
panta98:Soon the Killing of
the Solar System, changing orbits. And finally Killing Man Himself. What
a Killing Future!!! What a Future of Killing!!! That's what Orwell warned
about. And everybody still talks about "human rights', "democracy"! How
cynical, how macabre!
CarlzimC:Not in the space colonies.
Einai2000:Truly
so, Franz.
panta98:Carl, it seems to me
that "space colonization" is and will be our salvation. Kindly explain!
panta98:So,
we are members of Homo Killing!! But, Carl, please
continue!
CarlzimC:The continuous problems
and challenges, mostly unknown, will require out of the box, emancipated
thinking.
panta98:Carl, who organizes
"Space Colonies"? The Hornets? Or the Gores and Bushes?
Einai2000 has left the
room.
CarlzimC:They'll give
the power elites their profit in exchange for their emancipation. The elites
will have no choice.
panta98:Carl, I have to invite,
Iris! She has some problems!
panta98:Interestng
point!
CarlzimC:Iris is waiting.
You have just entered room "panta98 Chat21."
CarlzimC:AOL will
not be on the space colonies.
CarlzimC:I
saved what I could.
CarlzimC:Proceed,
Iris,
panta98:Yes, I saved the complete
first part!
Einai2000:No,
surely there have more advanced technology, this internet is already outdated,
totally obsolete I think...
panta98:Yes, Iris, our ancient
Bushman telepathy!
We were still describing the killing community.
Einai2000:Fine,
Franz! Menos mal...
panta98:Carl explained that
in the "space colonies" it would be different.
panta98:I
asked, why?
CarlzimC:Yep, that's why the
Israelis and Palestinians hack each other's sites.
Einai2000:Yes,
and I was about to say... "Homo sapiens" = "Homo Aliensis" = "Homo Coloniensis".
panta98:Yes, veni, vidi, vici!
"The State Am I"! I also wanted to know who organizes and finances "space
colonization"?
Einai2000:ok,
please proceed...
panta98:And if they, the Gores
and Bushes want 'to start from scratch to build new worlds"?
panta98:Will
the egoism of the financiers and organizers change?
CarlzimC:A meld of NASA and
hornets will organize the space colony program. Global power elites finance.
Massive program. Unlike Mars colonies in 1950.
panta98:How would the "hornets"
capture political and economic power to stop the killing in future?
CarlzimC:Bush and Gore just
take orders.
panta98:Is the mere fact that
everybody depends on everybody else for survival, a sufficient answer.
This sounds like the original primitive mode of communism, of the society
of food-gathering and hunting!
CarlzimC:They will demand this
in exchange for taking the enormous risks involved and building the space
colonies effectively. The elites will have no choice.
panta98:How will the millennium-old
"egoism" and "greed" be eradicated?
CarlzimC:The hornets will give
the elites their profits in exchange for emancipation.
CarlzimC:No
time for egoism and greed in tthe space colonies.
panta98:That would be "soborno"
- blackmail -- that won't work!
Einai2000:So
we are talking about another "exchange value" now?
panta98:Do you really think
that the capitalist moguls would place themselves in such a trap in future?
Are they really so mad, so crazy?
CarlzimC:Can't handle a meteor
shower at 0600 and airlock repair required at 0610 with egotism and greed.
CarlzimC:Initially,
an exchange becoming SOP!
Einai2000:I
don't think Emancipation is availably by money- relations, by change-exchange.
One pound of emancipation for 20% of the hornet's annual profits....
panta98:What would life in
such a situation be "worth"? That would not be "living", or even "surviving",
that would be "hell". Well, then "space colonization" is going to hell,
the Holy Bible was right! The Christians too.
CarlzimC:Nothing like that,
Iris.
Einai2000:Yes,
Carl, surely not.
panta98:I mean homo autist
is not what the Gores and Bushes have in mind at present.
CarlzimC:Autistics (super-specialists)
will play a key role. They lack empathy, but have no egoism or greed, and
do not lie.
CarlzimC:Extremely
honest.
panta98:Well, then they are
not human anymore.
panta98:Then
we are not talking about us anymore.
panta98:Not
even of Bill Gates, Gore, Clinton or Bush.
CarlzimC:Different humans.
Don't need empathy on a space colony.
panta98:What about the billions
and billions on Earth?
CarlzimC:The space colony concept
will transcend the Earth, and the billions will have to decide whether
to adapt to it or remain in their mess.
CarlzimC:Can't
keep the space colony events secret on Earth, especially with a Super-Internet.
panta98:Well, we may just as
well discuss the future of gorillas or of Martians, but mankind, man, won't
live, won't survive in space colonies. There will be no "man", not us,
living in space colonies. Hence, we need not bother about them anymore.
CarlzimC:The power elites are
in deep scheise and are preparing to relinquish some power to the hornets
and hoi polloi or perish.
Einai2000:They
are worshipping their autistic carpe diem - where it's not required
to superate the Formal Logical, autistic, exclusive either/or, i.e., the
Labour Process' innate Autism itself.
Einai2000:...I
referred to your question on the "billions and billions", Franz...
CarlzimC:D'accord, Iris.
Autistics don't use formal logic.
CarlzimC:Autists
are extremely well adapted for space colonization.
Einai2000:I'd
say this is the only method they use, I ment it in a "uebertragenen" sense
- Franz, please translate "uebertragener Sinn"...
panta98:"In a more generalized
sense".Well, man is really "the damned of the earth"; he is doomed. He
could just as well become a pig, and live in a pen or sty. Why all the
trouble about space colonies? We could study the pig for biological reasons,
for transplants, but not for emancipatory reasons.
Einai2000:Okay,
Carl.
CarlzimC:Ever met an autistic
adult?
Einai2000:In
the sense I put it - yes, Carl.
panta98:An autist is physically
a human appearance, but he is socially not that what has produced labour,
technology, and the Sch. which we are experiencing. How an ox was exploited,
this is just the exploitation of autists. There might follow of the blind,
of lepers, of the dumb, of lunatics, of the Siamese cats, etc.
CarlzimC:Space colonies offer
opportunities to test new methods to prevent environmental disasters on
Earth, or move Earth populations to the colonies, if these cannot be prevented.
CarlzimC:Also,
the space colonies offer additional sources of natural resources, notably
minerals, and others unknown.
Einai2000:But
the environmetal disaster irreversibly already is completed, Carl, nothing
more to be prevented I fear.
panta98: It's like moving your
cattle from one kraal to another. Who moves, who decides to move where,
when, how. This is Bantustanization in Space! This is Apartheid!
CarlzimC:An autistic child
may use formal logics in his/her early development, but the adult autistics
I've met don't.
panta98:How do you move a billion,
and for that matter a billion "mad" cattle, who can only perform hard,
physical work?
CarlzimC:The'll have the technology
to move millions by then.
CarlzimC:Teleportation,
perhaps?
panta98:In capitalist terminology,
you don't move 'rubbish" into the new factory. You powderize it, atomize
it. Also, what about the "mad brains" -- what about moving those rowdies
in bochinche outside my office, to do what, to have a haloween ball on
Mars?
Einai2000:poor
Mars...
CarlzimC:What would you do
with them, Franz?
panta98:Let them emancipate
themselves; this is their cosmic "right". If they should fail, for that
is also provided in cosmic emancipatory terms.What do we really understand
by emancipation?
panta98:Are
the democrats and republicans the real emancipators?
panta98:Why
emancipate towards Mars, when Space and Time do not exist?
panta98:Why
go so far, when "heaven" is so near?
panta98:If
we can't emancipate ourselves here and now, here where we are and exist,
in History, then, of what use would be this time-travelling, space-travelling
business?
panta98:This
would be not just ideological madness, but also craziness?
CarlzimC:I know a female autistic
(Ph.D in animal nutrition) who created and designed feedlots for cattle,
in which the cattle run around but are unhurt (They aren't even scratched).
She's an architechtural genius in this area.
panta98:Well, we need her in
space- and time-travelling, to feed the future "space-cattle". Or, am I
missing the space-ship, Carl? Please help, explain it to me.
CarlzimC:We need her to design
successful innovations for space colonies. Can't afford failure out there.
panta98:What is failure in
this world? Is "failure" not exactly emancipation?
CarlzimC:Autists are extremely
independent, function well in the right environment for them
panta98:What is gain? Is that
not profits, privileges, power?
panta98:What
would be the "failure' of globalization? Not Emancipation?
CarlzimC:Failure is when a
space colony of thousands suffocates due to air lock failure.
panta98:Well, much fun, thinking
about Chernobyl!The more everything fails, the better our chances of emancipation.
CarlzimC:I don't entirely agree,
Franz.
Einai2000 has left the
room.
panta98:Imagine if the
space colonization works, then work continues in the galaxies, what a cancerous
outgrowth!
CarlzimC:Depends on the success
and failure.
CarlzimC:Yep,
the galaxies.
panta98:There we go again.
Poor Iris is gone again!
Einai2000 has entered
the room.
CarlzimC:Hi, Iris
panta98:Hi! Iris!
CarlzimC:Iris, please comment
[ panta98::Imagine if the space
colonization works, then work continues in the galaxies, what a cancerous
outgrowth! CarlzimC:Depends
on the success and failure.
Einai2000:moment,
pleaase, Carl, have to read back
CarlzimC:OK, Iris
panta98:CarlzimC:Yep,
the galaxies.
panta98:panta98:There
we go again. Poor Iris is gone again!Einai2000
has entered the room.]
CarlzimC:Hope there wouldn't
be racism out there. Hope my descendent wouldn't be called a dirty, pointy-eared
Vulcan like Mr. Spock (Star Trek).
Einai2000:On
the failure, Franz and Carl - indeed, to overcome the limits and limitations
of body- mind and reason control, would mean to be the "failure" of globalized
autism, of globalized atomization, of global non-relation in all its manifestations.
panta98:One man's meat is another
man's poison!
Einai2000:One
man's either is the other man's or!
CarlzimC:OK, now I understand
your definition of autism. Perhaps autism is an incorrect term for the
personalities I described.
panta98:It's an ill galactic
wind that blows nobody "good"!
CarlzimC:Science is filled
with misnomers, e.g., the Chaos in Chaos Theory is not Chaos.
Einai2000:And
the "Winds of Change" within also....
panta98:Charity begins at home,
so they say! And if not, it won't function millions of miles away, in outer
space.
CarlzimC:I'm not sure that
charity can't begin outside the home.
panta98:If democracy, human
rights, justice, equality, freedom, fraternity, love, beauty, truth, etc.
could not be realized here, until now, what makes us believe that man,
in whatever form, will realize it anywhere else?
CarlzimC:Derpends on the charit-eers
and the environment.
CarlzimC:The
right opportunities and conditions may be out there.
panta98:Next time, God should
do a better job, and Hegel should edit his thoughts before He creates another
world from scratch! Well, we need the Roman chariots or the chariots of
Jahwe to bring us home to our senses.
Einai2000:what
senses?
panta98:But space-ships won't
do the job.
CarlzimC:Or the space chariots
of Mr. Spock!
CarlzimC:Not
the space ships, but who's is in them.
panta98:Perhaps Nero's chariots
or Caesar's chariots could help us to cross the emancipatory Rubicon.
Einai2000:What
are "chariots" Franz?
panta98:You mean the "b ..."
in them? Diese Pferdewagen!
CarlzimC:And fiddle while Rome
burns?
Einai2000:and
emancipate while Rome burns.
CarlzimC:Bullscheissers can't
build those colonies.
panta98:Yes, it was not built
in one day, but it burned down within a few days! And all human roads,
beautified with crucifixes, lead to Rome Burning, Mississippi Burning!
CarlzimC:So fiddle = emancipation.
Einai2000:
:-) Carl
panta98:No, Iris & Carl,
, playing second fiddle = emancipation.
....
(the end)