p a n d e m o n i u m
   Tuesday Evening International AOL Chat
                      Carl (Teaneck, USA),

                     Iris (Freiburg),

                   Franz (Merida, Venezuela).

   US ELECTIONS, ENERGY & EMANCIPATION

21st November, 2000                          (Slightly Corrected Version)


                                 PART   ONE

PRELUDE ...

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Einai2000:Buenas noches, Carl and Franz!
panta98:Good evening, Folks! Before the current is being cut off. Let's begin!
CarlzimC:Hi, guys
panta98:What a day!!!
Einai2000:Infernal noise here!
CarlzimC:Proceed
Einai2000:Ok, Franz
panta98:We had to organize all the official details to hand in the "Trabajo de Ascenso".
panta98:Al last, after 7 months, it is completed!!!!
Einai2000:And it's "Dia del Estudiante", should better be named: "Dia de Bochinche", caramba!
CarlzimC:Excellent. I can't wait for an English translation.
CarlzimC:El dia que me quiero (Gardel).
CarlzimC:Proceed ...
Einai2000:Never seen so many students at university.... ok, Franz, please...

panta98:A masterpiece: "Reflections On The Concept of Negation: Contents, Scope and
                                       Limitations of the Negation in the Philosophy of G. F. W. Hegel".

CarlzimC:Influenced the RussIan State religion.
panta98:It was a horror to write the work in Spanish, -- the language is feudal, but not philosophic -- then, translating all the texts ourselves from the original German, because no translation was worth quoting!!! Now all that in English????
CarlzimC:Influenced the Mideast conflict for State religion.
panta98:Jutta, correcting, typing, revising everything, is a walking corpse!!!
panta98:Okay, let me, nevertheless give a brief introduction to our chat today, and ask some questions.
CarlzimC:In English for all English speaking people, including Israelis and Palestinians, to read.
Einai2000:Please do so, Franz.
CarlzimC:Proceed, Franz.
 

"Sorry I bothered you."
(A recent ICQ message from a Palestinian kid on Israeli-owned ICQ)

panta98:Carl, the Israelis and Palestinians would be surprised how excellent they are fulfilling Hegel's "emancipatory" dream, destroying nature, human nature and everything else. If Cadela or Cantv should run wild today, and like Muhammad Ali, I could not come back, save the chat for me.
Einai2000:Okay, Franz.
CarlzimC:Yep
CarlzimC:Like Max Schmeling.
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Einai2000:Franz, das ist ein SAU LAERM hier!!!
panta98:Yes, Carl! Just to launch the discussion, very briefly let me make some remarks, paving the road towards a most interesting discussion; also let me ask a few introductory questions. Thereafter, we will go straight to "business".
Einai2000: Please invite Carl, Franz.
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Einai2000:Welcome back, Carl.
panta98:Yes, Carl! Just to launch the discussion, very briefly let me make some remarks, paving the road towards a most interesting discussion; also let me ask a few introductory questions. Thereafter, we will go straight to "business".
panta98:I am sure that all of us have read and studied the current news items, our latest postings, correspondence and documents; after all, that is why we are distributing them.
CarlzimC:Yep
panta98:For sure, nearly all of us are very busy, and we did not find sufficient time to read everything. No problem, this is quite natural, quite social, sociable.
panta98:Quite a valid argument in these turbulent days of democratic and republican elections, sitting up late, awaiting Godot's results; meanwhile, the world bemoans, frets that it has no future president in sight. Imagine Postindustrialism, Postmodernism, Postcapitalism without a "Great Leader"! A Political Scandal!
CarlzimC:Yep
panta98:And we cannot enjoy our "Games", we cannot play "Follow My Leader".
panta98:Never mind, we live in a democratic society, and democracy caters for such casualties.Everybody has a vote, can shape the destiny of his country, of the globe, of the future.The only problem is that one must insist that his vote is really counted and recounted.
CarlzimC:NWO governs behind the scenes
panta98:More than ever before, in the jig-saw electoral campaigns, still Great Men like Clinton, Gore and Bush make "history". This is the human essence of Global Democracy. We still believe in this -- since centuries Big Brother has us by the ....
panta98:Yes, Carl, behind the scenes, between the bed-sheets, many things happen.
CarlzimC:Yep, the vote count = coupons.
panta98:We should take a glance at this so much praised democracy, at the human rights of free expression, of free decision-making, of freedom of thought and speech. We should ask some fundamental questions.
panta98:If democracy is a farce, then why do billions believe in such a political lie? Did democracy affect their brains? If not, then something went wrong somewhere.Some "conspiracy" had thrown real, true democracy out of orbit. Well, how can we rescue, can we improve, can we perfect democracy again. Was it ever perfect, absolute?
panta98:Or is democracy just "human", existing with the birthmarks of human imperfection? As Winston thought in "1984", "The future lies in the hands of the proles, sorry, of the 'hornets' ". Today, why do the "hornets" have a better democratic chance than the "proles" of yestermillennium?
CarlzimC:First, we must recognize that it's a plutocracy.
panta98:Any comments, Carl or Iris?
CarlzimC:The hornets know this  - better chance.
panta98:OK, Carl, we'll give Pluto a nice fleshy bone just now.
panta98:Who coined, who discovered, who benefits from democracy?
CarlzimC:The power elites.
panta98:Pluto is not only a planet -- he is also the God of Capital!
CarlzimC:Yep
panta98:What are the relations of democracy to "political independence", to "political freedom", "political justice" and political domination?
panta98:Within our global system, what is the difference between democracy and republicanism?
CarlzimC:In the USA, itstarted in 1776.
panta98:Is (neo-)liberalism a form of democracy? Fascism? Nazism? Authoritarianism?
CarlzimC:No difference - All bullscheisse.
panta98:Agreed, Carl! Why are "socialist", "communist" systems not "democratic"? Why are "regimes of terror" sometimes "democratic" and in other times "undemocratic"?
CarlzimC:All directed to achieving the same goal.
panta98:Why are "democracy" and 'republicanism" top political favourites in the USA today?
panta98:Which interests do these political forms express respectively?Well, there we go .....
CarlzimC:Diversions from reality.
panta98:Now we can continue the debate. That was my brief introduction.
panta98:Why "diversion from reality", Carl?
CarlzimC:Can you imagine if people knew what is really happening?
panta98:No, Carl. What would happen, if they should know?
CarlzimC:They'd be up in arms.
panta98:What do you think. Iris?
Einai2000:Bread and Games, like out there at university at this very moment. The desk I'm sitting at is shivering, the windows, too. "People" are not interested in know what is really happening, at least not these zombies supposedly "students" out there...
Einai2000:It's nearly unbearable, damnit! I'd wish I would have some of these nice devices they sai y Ibn Laden & Co have... please proceed, Franz and Carl.
panta98:Today, after the "Day of The Race", we have the "Day Of The Student" here in Venezuela!
panta98:Iris, just tell Carl, how our "hornets" celebrate their academic day!
Einai2000:They are completely, definitely BEYOND ANY POSSIBLE SALVATION!
panta98:Why?
CarlzimC:Why is racism not addressed? At my local spa, a Syrian guy introduces himself by pointing to his blue eyes attributed to his mother.
Einai2000:They "celebrate" their "academic" day with bochinche (a rowdy) the Venezuelan way - miche, and NOISE, which is suopposed to be "music".
Einai2000:...sorry, please proceed, Carl and Franz
CarlzimC:Bread and Circuses (Vosnosensky)
panta98:Everything in this country is "bochinche", "bull-fighting".
Einai2000:I'm trying to "cool off" -- that's it, Carl, exactly
panta98:In fact a few meters away from our Faculty, symbolically, you find the bull-ring.
panta98:Alma mater and "Plaza de Toros" next to each other!
CarlzimC:Why didn't the Syrian guy talk about his job, education, hobbies until later?
Einai2000:Truly so, Franz. For the time being, its within "Alma Mater"...
CarlzimC:Blue eyes for social acceptance - horrible.
Einai2000:Have to read back, moment please, trying to join the boat.
panta98:Bull, Bullsch ... in the alma mater, in the soul of the mother, with blue eyes!?
CarlzimC:Yep, Bullscheisse - like the vote count
CarlzimC:Related to this is my recent ICQ message from a Palestinian kid on Israeli-owned ICQ.
panta98:Actually, Carl & Iris, I am 32 years in this "educational" and "academic" world, but never ever on three continents I have seen such a rapid deterioration of the mind, of thinking and thought, as at present.
CarlzimC:He said he got my name at random, but that doesn't matter.
CarlzimC:He gave me links of photos showing kids who were shot in the recent conflict
panta98:In Venezuela, the situation is especially horrifying, and this is the heritage of Spanish and Portuguese feudalist, Catholic absolutism.
CarlzimC:I expressed my regrets, but said there is little I can do.
CarlzimC:He said he understand, and closed by saying "Sorry I bothered you."
CarlzimC:I closed by saying "You didn't bother me."
panta98:And imagine a mind, reflecting the dark ages, affected by the information age, this is enough to run a whole country wild and crazy, to put mad cows to shame.
Einai2000:You bet the mad cows are not as mad as the bunch out there...
CarlzimC:The kid thought he was bothering me - Horrible
panta98:Yes, horrible, Carl.
CarlzimC:Iris, the whole world is suffering from mad cow disease.
panta98:Yes, Carl, the Zombie version of the MAD Disease!
Einai2000:Yes!!
panta98:Now, if 200 000 years of the reign of homo sapiens sapiens had brought us this far, what do we deduce from this, with reference to our wonderful solar species?
CarlzimC:There are hornets that will start a new solar species in the space colonies.
panta98:What chances for survival does he hav? Did he not say that he must work, must dominate Nature, in order to survive, in order to satisfy his needs. Why did he get crazy in the process?
Einai2000:That it is the crown, the highest blossom of mad cow disease!
panta98:Why did billions get crazy, and a handful remained sane?
CarlzimC:His organism couldn't handle the information.
CarlzimC:The useless electronic gizmos.
CarlzimC:The fast talking.
panta98:Was it really "information", or perhaps "deformation", like the deformed "socialism" in the Soviet Union?
CarlzimC:The mass media =  Bullscheisse
CarlzimC:Disinformation
panta98:Dissocialization,  perhaps?
CarlzimC:Dissociation (divide&conquer).
panta98:What caused all this? A curse? Original Sin?
CarlzimC:If I buy groceries on the web, I don't meet the guy who delivers them.
panta98:Did Man not work hard enough? Is his "technology" under-developed, perverse?
CarlzimC:Labor = alienation
CarlzimC:His technology is enslaving him
panta98:Well, the good old days of the delivery-boy, of the post-man, of the milk-man are gone forever. Now we have Internet, perhaps a "blessing" in disguise?
CarlzimC:Nope. Dehumanization in some respects.
panta98:Agreed, Carl.
panta98:And you, Iris?
panta98:Now, coming back to our central theme. How come that man invented democracy, or is it also demo-crazy?
CarlzimC:Demo-bullscheisse.
panta98:Well, the USA just gave us a demo of this Bullscheisse!
CarlzimC:Where has democracy ever existed?
CarlzimC:Or a republic?
panta98:The latest info on the demo of B.S. is an eye-opener!
CarlzimC:In the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?
Einai2000:It's one of the necessary moments or aspects - in Ancient Greece e.g... also in Venezuela, in the USA - that's what democracy is all about...
panta98:Where has anything ever existed what our teachers and politicians had taught us?
Einai2000:As ideology in our minds...
panta98:In a crazy mind, only crazy things live.
CarlzimC:Ideology = mind contro l= labor = alienation.
panta98:Yes, Carl, That's the formula! Hence our superstructure, our society is a world of make-believe, an irreal, sorreal, macabre irreality.
CarlzimC:... = winner = loser takes it all = To be AND not to be!
panta98:Now, why do over 99% of US Americans vote for a fake "democratic" and "'republican" irreality?
panta98:Is this what "education" has achieved over there?
panta98:How do the organizatuion of "space colonization" match with the organization of political elections? The Zanj and Zulus were far better off, centuries ago!
CarlzimC:Brainwashing, but actually, a large number of USA citizens didn't vote.
panta98:How could the election tradition, based in the "Bill Of Rights", end up in such a Millennium Fiasco?
panta98:Even if they did not vote, but they support daily that what produces such idio-syncracy, idiot-craziness, such an obsolete voting system, measured by its very own standards.
CarlzimC:In outer space, they'll need a different organization to handle the continuous problems and challenges, many of which will be unknown.
CarlzimC:Franz, most don't support the system, but can't change it.
panta98:If they cannot even organize an election, not even count correctly, 1.2.3. --- how on galaxy, will they ever "colonize" anything? Furthermore, they should not change the "system", firstly, change 'thremselves"!
CarlzimC:Not ready yet.
panta98:They cannot even re-count correctly, then they must be analphabets!
panta98:And not even fit to be space colonizing alphas and betas!
CarlzimC:Hornets will colonize space. Mindless robots can't do it.
Einai2000:...or thay are applying a new kind of "maths'", who nows, "directional" re-counting...
panta98:Those "hornets" will have to be born first, from another galactic species. Do you mean "human robots" or mechanical ones? Mad robots?
panta98:Carl, what is really "wrong" with America?
CarlzimC:See the movie Battle for Algiers (Guido Pontecorvo (Jewish), Yaacob Saadi (Arab), France, 1960's) on video.
panta98:Once upon a time, it was the land of a zillion opportunities, everybody went there. And now?
panta98:We could not find the video as yet, Carl.
CarlzimC:It's Racism = labor = alienation, emerged stronger than ever before - that's what's wrong!
panta98:Maths? Iris? No, MADS!!
Einai2000: :-) yes, Franz..
CarlzimC:Fear of out of the box thinking, which is needed.
panta98:Are there others who think differently, Carl? Where are they? What do they do and say?
panta98:Are they those who voted for Nader?
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CarlzimC:Hi
Einai2000:panta98:Are there others who think differently, Carl? Where are they?What do they do and say?
Einai2000:panta98:Are they those who voted for Nader?
Einai2000:Hi again, Carl!
panta98:Carl, in which way do the Democrats and Republicans really differ? What is the politico-economic difference between those who back Gore, and those who back Bush?
panta98:Which group favours the advancing Information Age? Globalization? Space Colonization?
CarlzimC:Some voted for Nader, some for Buchanan, others didn't vote. Those whom I meet in chats think they're manipulated by Gov't and business.
Einai2000:...please proceed...
Einai2000:And their conclusions, Carl?
panta98:But that a very old "peasant truth", a "Binsenwahrheit", that my great grandmother already knew.
CarlzimC:Both follow the global elites' thrust for globalization and space colonization.
Einai2000:Aha! Interesting!
panta98:Well, then, why not declare two identical presidents?
CarlzimC:Bush is a stooge of the global oil elites like his father.
panta98:When the one goes womanizing, the other could look after the USA business.
panta98:A day president and a night president; a bad fellow, and a bed-felow!!!
CarlzimC:Gore is influenced by the oil elites, but the outcome will be the same.
panta98:Or is the whole election drama just a 'scape-goat" device?
panta98:Before, in Germany, it was the Jews, now in the USA, it is the "presidents"!
CarlzimC:On the Mideast chats, when I mention the oil elites, Israelis and Palestinians don't reply. Fear?
CarlzimC:They just trade insults and slogans.
panta98:But oil will be out by 2025, so why still the fuss, when all governments already possess Tesla Technology?
CarlzimC:While people are being killed!
panta98:The killing of people is natural, is part of the labour system for ages.
CarlzimC:Because it will be a secondary energy source. No one will put their eggs in one basket
CarlzimC:That's why the global elites now want TOTAL control of Mideast oil production as well as technology.
CarlzimC:Closing ranks. Want to make OPEC impotent.
panta98:Firstly, let the Americans begin to count the slave victims, the "Crusade" victims, the "Holy Wars" victims, the colonial victims, the pest victims, the "World War" victims, the Gulaq victims, the Holocaust victims, the Hiroshima and Nagasaki victims, the AIDS victims, the victims of disease, poverty and misery, only after this thorough practice, then they would be able to count the Florida votes, without the necessity of re-counts.
CarlzimC:The victims are the diversions, the scapegoats.
CarlzimC:Make the vote counters glad -  it isn't them.
panta98:"People Killed" that is what the system was all about for millennia -- that is "Human Rights" -- the right to be killed, to get killed!! That's republicanism and democracy!!!
panta98:IIiiirrriiisss! Still counting the dead, the living dead, the dead living?
CarlzimC:It's a kid saying "Sorry I bothered you." This should be included in the title of this chat.
Einai2000:Listening to the roaring noises of the living dead...
panta98:Alone during the reign of Belgium's famous Leopold in the Congo, the dead victims,  holding hands, also those of Kabila, would go right round the equator of the earth. If we add the unemployed "vagabonds" of Henry VIII, also massacred, then the rest would go arounf the equator of the Moon.
CarlzimC:It's the same old story.
CarlzimC:worldwide.
panta98:Billions are ideolgically stark, pitch dark blind! Can't they see these murderers -  Man, the murdering, killing, assassinating beast! Is Labour not Killing? Not Killing Nature! Killing Society!!! Killing History, a Killing History! Killing the Planet Earth!!
panta98:Soon the Killing of the Solar System, changing orbits. And finally Killing Man Himself. What a Killing Future!!! What a Future of Killing!!! That's what Orwell warned about. And everybody still talks about "human rights', "democracy"! How cynical, how macabre!
CarlzimC:Not in the space colonies.
Einai2000:Truly so, Franz.
panta98:Carl, it seems to me that "space colonization" is and will be our salvation. Kindly explain!
panta98:So, we are members of Homo Killing!! But, Carl, please continue!
CarlzimC:The continuous problems and challenges, mostly unknown, will require out of the box, emancipated thinking.
panta98:Carl, who organizes "Space Colonies"? The Hornets? Or the Gores and Bushes?
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CarlzimC:They'll give the power elites their profit in exchange for their emancipation. The elites will have no choice.
panta98:Carl, I have to invite, Iris! She has some problems!
panta98:Interestng point!
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CarlzimC:AOL will not be on the space colonies.
CarlzimC:I saved what I could.
CarlzimC:Proceed, Iris,
panta98:Yes, I saved the complete first part!
Einai2000:No, surely there have more advanced technology, this internet is already outdated, totally obsolete I think...
panta98:Yes, Iris, our ancient Bushman telepathy! We were still describing the killing community.
Einai2000:Fine, Franz! Menos mal...
panta98:Carl explained that in the "space colonies" it would be different.
panta98:I asked, why?
CarlzimC:Yep, that's why the Israelis and Palestinians hack each other's sites.
Einai2000:Yes, and I was about to say... "Homo sapiens" = "Homo Aliensis" = "Homo Coloniensis".
panta98:Yes, veni, vidi, vici! "The State Am I"! I also wanted to know who organizes and finances "space colonization"?
Einai2000:ok, please proceed...
panta98:And if they, the Gores and Bushes want 'to start from scratch to build new worlds"?
panta98:Will the egoism of the financiers and organizers change?
CarlzimC:A meld of NASA and hornets will organize the space colony program. Global power elites finance. Massive program. Unlike Mars colonies in 1950.
panta98:How would the "hornets" capture political and economic power to stop the killing in future?
CarlzimC:Bush and Gore just take orders.
panta98:Is the mere fact that everybody depends on everybody else for survival, a sufficient answer. This sounds like the original primitive mode of communism, of the society of food-gathering and hunting!
CarlzimC:They will demand this in exchange for taking the enormous risks involved and building the space colonies effectively. The elites will have no choice.
panta98:How will the millennium-old "egoism" and "greed" be eradicated?
CarlzimC:The hornets will give the elites their profits in exchange for emancipation.
CarlzimC:No time for egoism and greed in tthe space colonies.
panta98:That would be "soborno" - blackmail -- that won't work!
Einai2000:So we are talking about another "exchange value" now?
panta98:Do you really think that the capitalist moguls would place themselves in such a trap in future? Are they really so mad, so crazy?
CarlzimC:Can't handle a meteor shower at 0600 and airlock repair required at 0610 with egotism and greed.
CarlzimC:Initially, an exchange becoming SOP!
Einai2000:I don't think Emancipation is availably by money- relations, by change-exchange. One pound of emancipation for 20% of the hornet's annual profits....
panta98:What would life in such a situation be "worth"? That would not be "living", or even "surviving", that would be "hell". Well, then "space colonization" is going to hell, the Holy Bible was right! The Christians too.
CarlzimC:Nothing like that, Iris.
Einai2000:Yes, Carl, surely not.
panta98:I mean homo autist is not what the Gores and Bushes have in mind at present.
CarlzimC:Autistics (super-specialists) will play a key role. They lack empathy, but have no egoism or greed, and do not lie.
CarlzimC:Extremely honest.
panta98:Well, then they are not human anymore.
panta98:Then we are not talking about us anymore.
panta98:Not even of Bill Gates, Gore, Clinton or Bush.
CarlzimC:Different humans. Don't need empathy on a space colony.
panta98:What about the billions and billions on Earth?
CarlzimC:The space colony concept will transcend the Earth, and the billions will have to decide whether to adapt to it or remain in their mess.
CarlzimC:Can't keep the space colony events secret on Earth, especially with a Super-Internet.
panta98:Well, we may just as well discuss the future of gorillas or of Martians, but mankind, man, won't live, won't survive in space colonies. There will be no "man", not us, living in space colonies. Hence, we need not bother about them anymore.
CarlzimC:The power elites are in deep scheise and are preparing to relinquish some power to the hornets and hoi polloi or perish.
Einai2000:They are worshipping their autistic carpe diem - where it's not required to superate the Formal Logical, autistic, exclusive either/or, i.e., the Labour Process' innate Autism itself.
Einai2000:...I referred to your question on the "billions and billions", Franz...
CarlzimC:D'accord, Iris. Autistics don't use formal logic.
CarlzimC:Autists are extremely well adapted for space colonization.
Einai2000:I'd say this is the only method they use, I ment it in a "uebertragenen" sense - Franz, please translate "uebertragener Sinn"...
panta98:"In a more generalized sense".Well, man is really "the damned of the earth"; he is doomed. He could just as well become a pig, and live in a pen or sty. Why all the trouble about space colonies? We could study the pig for biological reasons, for transplants, but not for emancipatory reasons.
Einai2000:Okay, Carl.
CarlzimC:Ever met an autistic adult?
Einai2000:In the sense I put it - yes, Carl.
panta98:An autist is physically a human appearance, but he is socially not that what has produced labour, technology, and the Sch. which we are experiencing. How an ox was exploited, this is just the exploitation of autists. There might follow of the blind, of lepers, of the dumb, of lunatics, of the Siamese cats, etc.
CarlzimC:Space colonies offer opportunities to test new methods to prevent environmental disasters on Earth, or move Earth populations to the colonies, if these cannot be prevented.
CarlzimC:Also, the space colonies offer additional sources of natural resources, notably minerals, and others unknown.
Einai2000:But the environmetal disaster irreversibly already is completed, Carl, nothing more to be prevented I fear.
panta98: It's like moving your cattle from one kraal to another. Who moves, who decides to move where, when, how. This is Bantustanization in Space! This is Apartheid!
CarlzimC:An autistic child may use formal logics in his/her early development, but the adult autistics I've met don't.
panta98:How do you move a billion, and for that matter a billion "mad" cattle, who can only perform hard, physical work?
CarlzimC:The'll have the technology to move millions by then.
CarlzimC:Teleportation, perhaps?
panta98:In capitalist terminology, you don't move 'rubbish" into the new factory. You powderize it, atomize it. Also, what about the "mad brains" -- what about moving those rowdies in bochinche outside my office, to do what, to have a haloween ball on Mars?
Einai2000:poor Mars...
CarlzimC:What would you do with them, Franz?
panta98:Let them emancipate themselves; this is their cosmic "right". If they should fail, for that is also provided in cosmic emancipatory terms.What do we really understand by emancipation?
panta98:Are the democrats and republicans the real emancipators?
panta98:Why emancipate towards Mars, when Space and Time do not exist?
panta98:Why go so far, when "heaven" is so near?
panta98:If we can't emancipate ourselves here and now, here where we are and exist, in History, then, of what use would be this time-travelling, space-travelling business?
panta98:This would be not just ideological madness, but also craziness?
CarlzimC:I know a female autistic (Ph.D in animal nutrition) who created and designed feedlots for cattle, in which the cattle run around but are unhurt (They aren't even scratched). She's an architechtural genius in this area.
panta98:Well, we need her in space- and time-travelling, to feed the future "space-cattle". Or, am I missing the space-ship, Carl? Please help, explain it to me.
CarlzimC:We need her to design successful innovations for space colonies. Can't afford failure out there.
panta98:What is failure in this world? Is "failure" not exactly emancipation?
CarlzimC:Autists are extremely independent, function well in the right environment for them
panta98:What is gain? Is that not profits, privileges, power?
panta98:What would be the "failure' of globalization? Not Emancipation?
CarlzimC:Failure is when a space colony of thousands suffocates due to air lock failure.
panta98:Well, much fun, thinking about Chernobyl!The more everything fails, the better our chances of emancipation.
CarlzimC:I don't entirely agree, Franz.
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panta98:Imagine if the space colonization works, then work continues in the galaxies, what a cancerous outgrowth!
CarlzimC:Depends on the success and failure.
CarlzimC:Yep, the galaxies.
panta98:There we go again. Poor Iris is gone again!
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CarlzimC:Hi, Iris
panta98:Hi! Iris!
CarlzimC:Iris, please comment

[ panta98::Imagine if the space colonization works, then work continues in the galaxies, what a cancerous outgrowth! CarlzimC:Depends on the success and failure.
Einai2000:moment, pleaase, Carl, have to read back
CarlzimC:OK, Iris
panta98:CarlzimC:Yep, the galaxies.
panta98:panta98:There we go again. Poor Iris is gone again!Einai2000 has entered the room.]

CarlzimC:Hope there wouldn't be racism out there. Hope my descendent wouldn't be called a dirty, pointy-eared Vulcan like Mr. Spock (Star Trek).
Einai2000:On the failure, Franz and Carl - indeed, to overcome the limits and limitations of body- mind and reason control, would mean to be the "failure" of globalized autism, of globalized atomization, of global non-relation in all its manifestations.
panta98:One man's meat is another man's poison!
Einai2000:One man's either is the other man's or!
CarlzimC:OK, now I understand your definition of autism. Perhaps autism is an incorrect term for the personalities I described.
panta98:It's an ill galactic wind that blows nobody "good"!
CarlzimC:Science is filled with misnomers, e.g., the Chaos in Chaos Theory is not Chaos.
Einai2000:And the "Winds of Change" within also....
panta98:Charity begins at home, so they say! And if not, it won't function millions of miles away, in outer space.
CarlzimC:I'm not sure that charity can't begin outside the home.
panta98:If democracy, human rights, justice, equality, freedom, fraternity, love, beauty, truth, etc. could not be realized here, until now, what makes us believe that man, in whatever form, will realize it anywhere else?
CarlzimC:Derpends on the charit-eers and the environment.
CarlzimC:The right opportunities and conditions may be out there.
panta98:Next time, God should do a better job, and Hegel should edit his thoughts before He creates another world from scratch! Well, we need the Roman chariots or the chariots of Jahwe to bring us home to our senses.
Einai2000:what senses?
panta98:But space-ships won't do the job.
CarlzimC:Or the space chariots of Mr. Spock!
CarlzimC:Not the space ships, but who's is in them.
panta98:Perhaps Nero's chariots or Caesar's chariots could help us to cross the emancipatory Rubicon.
Einai2000:What are "chariots" Franz?
panta98:You mean the "b ..." in them? Diese Pferdewagen!
CarlzimC:And fiddle while Rome burns?
Einai2000:and emancipate while Rome burns.
CarlzimC:Bullscheissers can't build those colonies.
panta98:Yes, it was not built in one day, but it burned down within a few days! And all human roads, beautified with crucifixes,  lead to Rome Burning, Mississippi Burning!
CarlzimC:So fiddle = emancipation.
Einai2000: :-) Carl
panta98:No, Iris & Carl, , playing second fiddle = emancipation.

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