Jutta (Merida, Venezuela)
Franz (Merida, Venezuela).
US ELECTIONS, ENERGY & EMANCIPATION
Part II
(Revision of Previous Discussions)
5th December, 2000 (Final Version)
prelude
You have just entered room "panta98 Chat10."
CarlzimC has entered the room.
CarlzimC:
Hi, Franz
panta98:Hi!
Carl!
panta98:Sorry
for the delay! We were exceedingly busy this week.
CarlzimC:
Will others join?
CarlzimC:What's going
on?
panta98:Final
exams, cleaning up the farm for Xmas, water-cuts, electricity cuts, service
provider problems, etc.
panta98:Iris
is on the farm, she has no internet connection today!
CarlzimC:Unfortunate. And Jutta?
panta98:Stella
is busy working in the evening. She just excused herself.
panta98:Khalid
is in the bank.
panta98:I
have not heard from Bill.
panta98:Steve,
last I heard from him was two months ago.
CarlzimC:Same here. I'll e-mail
Steve later.
panta98:Anyhow,
in 15 minutes, Jutta will join us. She is just washing off the dust of
the farm.
CarlzimC:And Jutta?
CarlzimC:OK
CarlzimC:Want
to start with tonight's topic?
ELECTIONS FEVER
panta98:Well,
while we wait for her, how is Gore getting on?
CarlzimC:He has a slim chance.
CarlzimC:I
think Bush is in.
panta98:Yes!
We said it months ago already!
CarlzimC:Did you read my message
on "Shop till you drop" for USA President?
panta98:Let's
leave the winning loser, Gore, behind, in spite of the hundreds of Buchanan
votes, 250 000 popular votes, 400 votes not included by certification,
and some thousands others not scrutinized. In 50 years, we'll know how
a winner can lose, and how a loser could win!
panta98:Yes,
I read it! In any case, all over the Dialectics of the One indicates what
Globalization,
what Labour At Rest, what Alienation mean. The
system has lost it momentum, its inner contradiction, its dynamo, its driving
force; everywhere, economically, politically, socially, humanly, everything
is check-mate: 50 - 50.
CarlzimC:Bush = Gore anyway.
panta98: Yes! What
is significant, scientifically and philosophically, is that this political
"draw" expresses exactly ...
panta98: ... what
we have been saying about the system as a whole; it gets void of contradiction,
it unifies itself, it nullifies, it runs to a standstill, to reconciliation,
to peace, to world peace, to death!
CarlzimC:In the next election,
using the Internet, USA citizens will shape the parties, platforms, candidates,
etc
CarlzimC:expresses
exactly?
CarlzimC: peace = war, freeedom
= slavery, Orwell: 1984.
panta98: Yes, read W. Reich,
Mass
Psychology of Fascism, and you'll know what is currently happening!
CarlzimC:doublethink,
doublespeak.
panta98: Yes, double cross,
double-cross. The system loses its momentum,
velocity, is destroying its own power, even its political power. Soon the
State, the US State will disappear; a New Constitution, the Global Constitution
will come.
CarlzimC:Yep. Tomorrow, the
Internet.
panta98:In
fact, both democrats and republicans have to rule 50-50, a stale democracy,
a stalemate, whether Bush or Gore!
CarlzimC: In the near future,
we'll have a multiparty system ...
CarlzimC:coalitions.
panta98:In
fact, as I said, the USA now has two presidents, the Prince of Darkness,
and the Brother of Light! Also, in fact, it will be a Global One Party
System, camouflaged as Multi-Party!
CarlzimC:Hope it's not like
the French parliament of 1945.
CarlzimC:Agreed,
Franz, two anti-Christs.
panta98:Precisely,
the one worse than the other, one and the same thing, two sides of the
same one thing! Long Live The One, The Rule of The One, The One And Only
Rule.
CarlzimC:2 million votes uncounted
- Reminds me of Mussolini's 1 million bayoonets - two disasters.
panta98:Jutta
will be here in minutes. Let us hope that the "voters" will begin to understand
that they are not voting for anything, in fact, they don't vote at all,
the Supreme Gods and the The Supreme Courts "vote"!
CarlzimC: Excellent.
panta98: Agreed!
panta98: Even
"racism" had a taste of the game in Florida!
CarlzimC: Racism? Please explain.
panta98: The
minorities, the poor Afro-Americans who could not dance the Muhammed Ali
"Butterfly Tango".
CarlzimC:What happened there?
CarlzimC:I
missed that.
panta98:Many
of those votes not counted came from Afro-American circles, who could not
solve the "puzzle".
CarlzimC: Interesting.
CarlzimC:
Racism is a big giant world problem.
panta98:On
Larry
King Live, one representative explained that last night.
panta98:I'll
invite Jutta now!
CarlzimC:OK
juttaschmi has entered
the room.
juttaschmi:Hello.
panta98:OK!
panta98:Jutta
I'll paste my message before!
juttaschmi:It
seems I've finally made it. Hi Carl.
juttaschmi:Hi
Franz
CarlzimC:Hi, Jutta
panta98:Let's
leave the winning loser, Gore, behind, in spite of the hundreds of Buchanan
votes, 250 000 popular votes, 400 votes not included by certification,
and some thousands others not scrutinized. In 50 years, we'll know how
a winner can lose, and how a loser could win! ...
juttaschmi:Carl,
it's a pleasure. What is tonight's topic?
Getting Down To "Business"
panta98:I'll
briefly introduce it, Jutta! Tonight we will summarize the last chats and
discussions.
juttaschmi:The
election disaster in the USA?
juttaschmi:It
seems so familiar to what has happened recently here in a series of Venezuelan
elections.
panta98:Yes,
but a more profound analysis of the background global process.
CarlzimC:OK with me. OK, with
you, Franz?
panta98:For
a while, let's remain within our earthly labour and production reality,
within Space and Time parameters, and try to identify current political,
economic and social developments.
juttaschmi:Bush
and Gore = Dávila and Porras, here in Merida, on a lower level.
panta98:Over
the last weeks, within this context we have discussed strange things, often
not related to each other.
CarlzimC:Weakened executive
branch of Government.
panta98: Yes, Carl. The State,
the Government, the Constitution, Elections, as we know them till now,
will fade away into oblivion within the next decades. The US Elections
"fiasco" is programmed by NATO and the Mass Media, controlled by the Pentagon,
for geo-political reasons, and is the prelude to far-reaching Fascist and
Nazi political changes to come.
panta98: continuing
... we discussed, for example: "Flying Saucers, Made In The NASA", "Aliens
Living InThe Pentagon", "Plans to Massacre Billions Of The World Population","HAARP",
...
CarlzimC:Weakened sovereign
states in favor of the NWO.
panta98:Philadelphia
Experiment, Mind Control Institutes, US-Nazi Collaboration, Occult Ether
Physics, Colonies on Mars and the Moon, that Space and Time Do Not Exist,
...
panta98:That
Einstein Was Wrong, Other Views About Gravity, A Future Autistic Species,The
Illuminati, Global Conspiracy, etc., etc.
panta98:Now,
what is the bottom line of all these things?
panta98:All
the above seem to be "secrets", banned from public education, kept away
from public opinion.
panta98:About
whose "future" are we talking? About the totality of the human species,
about homo sapiens sapiens? Or is he just a nightmare, wishful
thinking, a fabrication of ideology, a cheap fantasy?
CarlzimC:Agreed.
juttaschmi:
Homo
sapiens sapiens is dying out, it seems.
panta98:Well,
this is a very strange species. It never loves "contradictions", but it
is the most contradictory thing alive or dead.
panta98:It
is poor and rich, free and bond, equal and unequal, democratic and fascist,
white and black, two winners and two losers, young and old, men and women,
a chosen people and a damned people, capitalist and labourer, etc., etc.
panta98:Is
it really a species? Does it have some 6 000 000 000 members living on
this planet? What is the essence of this species? How does it exist? What
about the consciousness, the thinking of each individual? How many are
"conscious", how many think? What are "consciousness" and "thinking" all
about?
CarlzimC:To be AND
not to be is the essence.
panta98:Agreed,
Carl. The modern "Hamlet" version.
juttaschmi:There
is a new species in process.
panta98:The Human Species Being:
What
is it really doing? What does it think? Where is it going? Does it have
a future? How does it picture its future? Are the majority -- 85% of the
global population who "believe" in some God or Heaven -- really going to
the Happy Grazing Grounds, to Nirvana, to Valhallah, to New Jerusalem?
Poor things! Since millennia, Big Brother Labour really damaged their brains.
panta98:How
did this human tragedy come about? What role does energy play in human
life? What has energy got to do with the future of mankind?
CarlzimC:The NWO exploited
contradiction.
CarlzimC:Energy
is its future.
panta98:Well,
I introduced the basics, now we can get down to 'business" analysis!
CarlzimC:Consequently, major
conflicts in Mideast and Chechenya = Oil !
CarlzimC:Conflicts
in Africa = diamonds and minerals.
CarlzimC:
I will save the chat.
panta98:Carl,
for now, yes! Will oil be relevant in 50 years from now? Will it not become
the "donkey" power of tomorrow?
juttaschmi: Homo
trabajensis intelectualis, perhaps rationalis is
the new species. It "thinks" and "acts" differently from homo sapiens sapiens.
..... "Black-Out" in Merida !!
You have just entered room "panta98 Chat16."
CarlzimC has entered the room.
CarlzimC:
Hi, Franz
juttaschmi has entered the room.
[ 30 Minutes Later.]
panta98:We
are living in the worst and the best of times here in Venezuela. Not even
the Chaos Theory explains anything here.
panta98:Jutta
told CADELA - the electricity company - a piece of her mind, in typical
Venezuelan style, and they put the current back!
juttaschmi:This
is incredible! Last night we were without water, and it had precisely stopped
when I stood under the shower! Every second night, we are without current,
or the current goes down to a voltage where the lightbulbs hardly work.
panta98:Anyhow,
let us continue, before CANTV starts running wild, and then thereafter
AOL!
juttaschmi:We
have had a monitor damaged due to the irregularities with the current supply,
and also our fax machine has been damaged recently. Nobody responds to
the damage, but they make you pay a huge amount of money every month for
their "service".
panta98:Carl,
we were discussing "energy", and I said that the current power sources
may be reduced to "donkey" power within the next 50 years, due to technological
developmental sky-rocketing!
juttaschmi:Let
the local energy company be "enlightened" with the new energy, too, Franz!
panta98:Carl,
still around? Or is Earthlink now playing games?
CarlzimC: I'm here.
CarlzimC:
Fran came home from work.
juttaschmi:Have
you experienced trouble with energy supply in New York, Carl?
panta98:Carl,
I don't read you! Do you read us?
CarlzimC:I read you.
juttaschmi:Send
our regards to Fran, please.
panta98:Carl,
we were discussing "energy", and I said that the current power sources
may be reduced to "donkey" power within the next 50 years, due to the technological
developmental sky-rocketting!
CarlzimC:Do you read me?
CarlzimC:I
know
juttaschmi:I
do, Carl.
panta98:yes!
CarlzimC:I read you
juttaschmi:Okay.
panta98:So
why the trouble about Mideast and Balkan oil? And Russian or African mineral
resources?
juttaschmi:The
trouble will go on for a while, as long as traditional energy sources still
sell, Franz.
CarlzimC:Power elites want
total control of these resources, as these will become secondary.
CarlzimC:Russian
Caspian oil and African minerals.
panta98:What
about Bill's "Occult Ether Physics"? For that you don't need oil, plutonium,
uranium, chromium, ...
panta98: Nanotechnology
can make any material needed from a piece of sh...
CarlzimC: Occult ether physics
will be primary, not the only source.
panta98:You
can put computer data on any atom, even on those of Bullscheisse!!!
CarlzimC:But they need backup
resources.
panta98:I
see!
juttaschmi:Which
are the other resources that are available, Carl?
CarlzimC:Won't put all eggs
in one basket.
CarlzimC:Oil,
nuclear.
panta98: But
the obsolete resources would be like agricultural ones now; however, the
dominant resources, the dominant mode of production will be relevant. In
Europe, in the 17th/18th century agriculture was already secondary, irrelevant
for industrial profits.
panta98: The
Industrial Revolution, as early as 1830, was not an agricultural --
horse-power or wind mill -- revolution. To run the future global economy
by secondary power, by oil, would end up in a global holocaust. It would
be like trying to run Internet with secondary sources and resources: smoke
signals or messenger-doves!
juttaschmi:How
long will they still bet on oil? As for nuclear sources, I am not so sure,
either.
CarlzimC:wind, solar.
juttaschmi:The
so called "alternative" sources.
CarlzimC: Oil - 50 years, but
today, insufficient oil for space colonization.
panta98:Oil
and minerals will be "feudalist" resources; "solar wind". "solar energy"
will be like "industrial" resources; ...
panta98:...
used by the "developed economies" now, nobody will bother about developing
obsolete energy sources; imagine Netscape or Microsoft running by means
of the "wind-mill".
CarlzimC:Probably, on Earth,
not in outer space.
juttaschmi:They
won't be able to realize space colonization on an energy-source that is
oil-based.
CarlzimC:Agreed, Jutta.
CarlzimC:They're run by Tesla
free energy.
CarlzimC:One
reason why they're so profitable.
panta98:Well,
then why the fuss and fuzz about oil from the Middle East, the Balkan,
and minerals from the Copper Belt or Katanga?
juttaschmi:How
long do you think it will take until the major energy source is Tesla free
energy, Carl? Would they allow it to be prevalent? Would it not destroy
"the market"?
CarlzimC:And oil from the Caspian
region.
panta98:Oceania
will use those resources, the galactic "proles"; they will have to look
for "fire-wood",
just outside their Bantustan caves.
......
AOL NOW RUNNING WILD
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Chat16."
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panta98:Jutta
said: How long do you think it will take until
the major energy source is Tesla free energy, Carl? Would they allow it
to be prevalent? Would it not destroy "the market"?
juttaschmi:Okay.
juttaschmi:The
problem is, "the market" is also obsolete already. We might be dealing
with something different.
panta98:I
said: Oceania will use those resources, the
galactic "proles"; they will have to look for "fire-wood" just outside
their Bantustan caves.
CarlzimC:The oil market will
be a backup on Earth. Can't predict a timeline.
CarlzimC:No
galactic proles - Can't survive out there,
juttaschmi:Profits,
Capital and Labour belong to a certain mode of production. And we might
be in the presence of a change of the mode of production.
panta98: Oil to
be used in the "Challenger"? Or in the "Flying Saucers"?
CarlzimC:Yep.
panta98:Please
explain, Jutta.
CarlzimC:Proceed, Jutta
juttaschmi:It
is no more physical labour, that is being exploited, but intellectual labour,
even probably rational labour.
juttaschmi:Capital
and Profits are based on the exploitation of physical labour and intellectual
labour to a certain extent...
juttaschmi:...
all that goes along with a certain energy source on which the whole production
is based.
juttaschmi:We
have had several technological and energetical "revolutions"...
panta98:And
the products of "intellectual or rational labour" eventually, within the
next 50 years, will not need oil to be produced, sold, or realized! In
fact, Labour, Capital, Profits, Production, Mode of Production would all
cease, decease!
juttaschmi:...
all accompanied by a shift in the production structure.
panta98:Carl,
with what energy NASA is really conquering or colonizing Space? I don't
mean fake Moon Trips, and Armstrong "Combo Dancing"!
CarlzimC:The elites will need
to accept independent thinking to build the space colonies - can't do it
with mindless proles.
panta98:Do
they need any oil for those ventures? What would happen with over 6 billion
proles -- will they go on pension? Will Big Brother, at last, care for
them democratically? Don't forget, all of them are "human beings", at least,
this they "believe", and they deserve "human treatment"!
juttaschmi:Within
this famous "globalization" a limit has been reached as to how far Capital,
Labour and Profits can go, basically based on the fossil fuel energy.
CarlzimC:Since 1950, they've
been colonizing the Moon and Mars with Tesla free energy.
juttaschmi:If
energy were to be "free", the whole production structure would be looking
different, too.
panta98: Carl, CNN should give
this piece of "news" as Global Headline! Everybody would declare CNN as
MAD as a British Cow!! Thinking, especially
the "independent" variety, needs no oil, no minerals for its production;
thinking is abstract, is relational.
CarlzimC: Agreed, Franz&Jutta.
juttaschmi:No
more Capital, no more Labour, no more Profits. Something else, yet just
as destructive as the current mode of production is.
CarlzimC:And to cope with the
risks and unknown challenges of outer space.
panta98:It
is "thinking", "independent thinking", emancipatory thinking which will
travel to the Magellanic Clouds within split milli-seconds! Without horse
power, oil power, or even "vacuum power".
juttaschmi:The
current mode of production, that is, the capitalist one, will find it's
limit where no more physical and intellectual labour can be exploited,
let alone natural resources. And why? Because physical and intellectual
labour, as well as natural resources have been and are being destroyed
by the very process of labour.
CarlzimC: Agreed, Franz. No
alternative.
juttaschmi:I
will have to oil my neurones then, Franz.
CarlzimC:You will Tesla free
energize your neurones.
panta98:You
don't oil them with Orinoco petroleum, but with our Science and Philosophy,
Jutta!
juttaschmi:(..
so I depend on Oil, too! ;-)
juttaschmi:Good
to know, Franz. Thanks for reminding me! :-)
panta98:Not
so, Carl?
CarlzimC:Oil for the lamps
of emancipation.
juttaschmi:Yes,
Oil for the lamps of emancipation and Tesla free energy for the enlightened
neurones!
panta98:Yes,
fill our lamps in time, to receive the Magellanic Bridegroom!
CarlzimC:Tesla free energy
= new "oil".
panta98:Yes!
juttaschmi:(I
can't afford oil in the long run. Free energy is the deal!)
panta98:But
Energy itself must first be "freed"; it's still frozen today! How are we
going to heat it up?
juttaschmi: Let's
steal it.
juttaschmi: Thieves
of the world unite!
CarlzimC: Use Tesla coils.
panta98:That's
what Prometheus did! He was chained to the Rock of Gibraltar by Zeus, or
was it Pluto, Jupiter, or Apollo??
juttaschmi:Use
Tesla coils and get charged with counterproductive activities against the
national energy company, the one that switches our lights off every second
night.
panta98:He
stole the energy from the gods! We better start thieving, Carl! To use
"free energy" would be a "crime", remember, everything -- that is
below, above, in and out of the Earth -- belongs to the Global Brotherhood!
Gore/Bush are already future "Presidents" of the Moon! Of Luna! Now you
know where the "lunatics' would live in future!
juttaschmi:Ever
had an unexpected black-out in New York, Carl? The whole city lit by candles?!
panta98:By
the way, sorry, my "bad" education, what is "energy"?
juttaschmi: It
happens here every second night in Mérida.
panta98:What
did Reich and Tesla say that Energy really is?
juttaschmi:Energy
is Greek for "Effectiveness", Franz.
panta98:Well,
then I must be giga-energetic; don't even mention, Carl!
juttaschmi:In
terms of physics, interestingly it is cicumscribed with "work" or "force".
panta98:Ah,
so, so ... now we get to the "Pudels Kern"!
juttaschmi:Related
to energy is, of course, the famous Energieerhaltungssatz
postulated by Robert Mayer.
juttaschmi:The
Law of Conservation of Energy.
panta98:So,
Energy is "natural work"; and Labour Force is Human or Social Work?!
juttaschmi:Also
the transformation of one form of energy into another, where the form changes
but not the "amount" of energy..
panta98:And
both are exploited?!
juttaschmi:So
true, Franz.
panta98:Carl,
what do you think about our latest "brain wave"?
juttaschmi:They
say, that the total energy in the "uni-verse" is always the same, it is
a constant.
panta98:No,
the human constant is universal exploitation, universal labour, universal
alienation.
CarlzimC:That may change, but
with great difficulty.
There we go again!
juttaschmi has left the
room.
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CarlzimC:Hi, Franz
juttaschmi:What
is happening with AOL?
panta98:Carl, the "host" closed
my chat room!
juttaschmi:It
said, the room was closed by the host. Why does this happen? It never did
before.
panta98:Anyhow, continue explaining,
Jutta.
juttaschmi:My
message never got through, Franz.
CarlzimC:Heavenly host?
juttaschmi:Heavenly
ghost, Carl.
juttaschmi:
;-)
CarlzimC: Sanctus
spiriti
juttaschmi:Oh
my ghost, where were we? Et filii sanctus spiriti, amen.
juttaschmi:Know
your Latin Bible version.
juttaschmi:Congratulations,
Carl.
panta98: Et in terra pax
hominibus ... I still wanted to know whether we need Energy to Emancipate
Ourselves, or whether we should Emancipate ourselves from "Energy"! And
then our "host", our Holy Ghost, did not like this question!
CarlzimC:Proceed, Jutta
panta98:Perhaps, it was really
a Heavenly (G)host! A Cyber-Ghost!!
juttaschmi:There
are different, yet interrelated forms of energy.
panta98:Still, what is "energy"?
panta98:Why
is it so important in the labour process?
panta98:To
satisfy human needs?
panta98:To
dominate Nature? To dominate Society? To make History?
juttaschmi:There
is mechanical energy, that is potential energy and kinetic energy. There
is thermic energy. Both forms are interrelated via the mechanisches
Wärmeäquivalent -
panta98:To colonize Mars?
juttaschmi:in
English: thermo-mechanical equivalent?
CarlzimC:Hot stuff
panta98:Hot energetic stuff,
Carl! Too hot for AOL!
juttaschmi:Then
we have the field energy of the gravitational field, of the electrical,
magnetic and electromagnetic field.
panta98:Now we are getting
to Tesla Energy!
panta98:What
about Reich's Orgone?
CarlzimC:Reich's orgone energy.
juttaschmi:Then
we have radiation energy, chemical energy, mass energy, as far as mass
itself constitutes a form of energy.
juttaschmi:Reich's
Orgone Energy, of course, Carl.
panta98:What is the real, true
difference between Tesla's and Reich's Energy?
juttaschmi:Reich
and Tesla have formulated different aspects of the same energy, Franz.
CarlzimC:Reich's orgone energy
= Tesla free energy
panta98:Can Reich's Energy
be exploited? Can we fly with it around the Milky Way?
CarlzimC:Human body acts as
electromagnetic coil.
panta98:Continue, Carl.
juttaschmi:The
question is, what exactly is exploitation?
CarlzimC:We need it to survive
in the Milky Way.
panta98:Energizing, Jutta!
juttaschmi:Can
we say, for instance, that the different forms of energy, that can change
one into another, are "exploiting" each other?
panta98:Energizing the bank
accounts! Cosmos or Nature are not involved in "exploitation" -- Man exploits
gold, diamonds (carbon in various forms of energy), etc.
CarlzimC:Exploitaation is the
stealing of the orgone energy of others.
panta98:Excellent, Carl!
juttaschmi:In
a setting, where one energy form transforms into another form and where
the "amount" stays the same, we could not really talk of exploitation?
CarlzimC: And destruction when
the other is no longer useful.
panta98:We need Emancipatory
Orgone to "survive" Labour at all!
juttaschmi:Trans-formation
versus exploitation?
CarlzimC:How energy
is used, not the amount is key.
CarlzimC:Emancipation
vs. exploitation
juttaschmi:And
by WHOM it is used.
juttaschmi:Agreed,
Carl.
CarlzimC:Agreed, Jutta.
panta98:Well, the energy of
millions of black oranges are being squeezed out in the gold mines, and
then "energyless" they are thrown back into their Martian desert reserves
or Bantustans!
juttaschmi:This,
definitely, is exploitation, Franz.
panta98:Energy to exploit;
Energy to emancipate? How strange?
juttaschmi:The
gold mines, or more precisely, the owners of the gold mines, were being
enriched with the energy of the toiling black people.
panta98:Exploiting Energy,
Emancipatory Energy? This can't be scientific, can't be logical!
juttaschmi:I
find it interesting, that energy is tantamount to work, labour, effectiveness.
CarlzimC:I've been on an Palestinian/Israeli
chat. The participants who live in the area say that the concept of Bantustans
for Palestine is not the way Israelis and Palestinians think.
panta98:A dominating Nazi,
A liberating Nazi! Also is illogical! Imagine a Democratic Republican and
a Republican Democrat in the USA Elections! We would then never ever solve
the Florida jig-saw puzzle!
And this illogical nonsense both sides claim
to be.
CarlzimC:They say this concept
(a key issue) was imposed on Barak. No one knows who did it.
panta98:Do they -- the Palestinians
and Jews - think at all, Carl? If that is the result of "thinking",
then bye-bye sapient man!! Then, "thinking" is for the "rats".
juttaschmi:The
Bantustans are established all over the world, Carl. In the Bantustans,
people receive "appropriate" education, that is, as much as they are supposed
to know. They receive "appropriate" food, that is, the second hand quality
they need to barely survive and serve the system.
CarlzimC:Yes, many are starting
to think this conflict is manipulated by outsiders.
panta98:I still have a problem>
Energy to exploit; Energy to emancipate? How strange? Exploiting Energy,
Emancipatory Energy? This can't be scientific, can't be logical!
panta98:A
dominating Nazi, A liberating Nazi! Also is illogical!
juttaschmi:What
is the purpose behind this manipulation from outside, Carl?
juttaschmi:Energy
is the horse, Labour the carriage, Franz.
CarlzimC:In one forum, Israelis
and Palestinians are collaborating in selling Palestinian embroidery for
the Palestinian victims of this conflict.
panta98:Then what is Tesla's
Energy?
juttaschmi:The
marriage, Franz.
juttaschmi:
;-)
CarlzimC:Jutta, I think
the oil interests are behind this conflict.
panta98:And what is Reich's
Orgone?
juttaschmi:Why
exactly now, Carl?
panta98:I suspect that Reich
counterpoised Orgone to Energy!
juttaschmi:We
have to look into this, Franz. I also can imagine, that Reich counterpoised
Orgone to Energy.
panta98:I think Orgone is not
Energy, it is either the opposite of it, or it has a totally different
relation.
CarlzimC:To obtain to 100%
control of Mideast oil policy and prices, not the current 85% control
juttaschmi:Who
are the main players behind the curtain in this conflict, Carl?
CarlzimC:Franz, it's a form
of energy - characterized by a blue halo detected by a certain camera.
Photons carry electromagnetic energy.
panta98:Bush or Gore, Carl!
Or both?
panta98:They
are such excellent "players"!
CarlzimC:Jutta, the top members
of the global oil elites in the NWO.
CarlzimC:Bush
and Gore are servants.
panta98:Are these "global oil
elites" not interested in a "new energy" for their "new world order", Carl?
CarlzimC:I have read English
translations at the Arab sites. Strong but little attention to this conflict.
Unlike 1973, they seem to be scared. Why?
juttaschmi:The
global oil elites have to enjoy the short time left for them to profit
from the oil business. Soon, it will be over.
panta98: Carl, the Iraqi and
Yugoslavian lessons made "history". Or are these elites the forces of "reaction",
against the "revolutionary" ones, who want to annex the planets?
panta98:To
annex the planets, they can't do it with "oil"!
CarlzimC:Also, to control it
100% as a secondary sources on Earth.
panta98:Carl, who controls
the oil price per barril, controls oil, and its resources?
juttaschmi:They
will end up in one, global oil corporation (or rather conglomeration).
The giga-monopoly of the globe.
CarlzimC has left the
room.
CarlzimC has entered the room.
juttaschmi:Welcome
back, Carl
panta98:Surely, OPEC, especially
the Arab members, really do not control the prices on the world market.
it just seems like that, but it is not true!
CarlzimC:Thanks, guys.
panta98:The few metropolitan
countries control the world market, not Venezyela, not Libya, not Nigeria!
juttaschmi:You're
welcome, Carl.
juttaschmi:True,
Franz.
CarlzimC:Agreed, Franz. The
NWO elites created OPEC.
juttaschmi:And
big business these days has long shifted away from the energy sector, which,
compared to the heights of the labour process, is "obsolete" anyway.
panta98:So, they control, they
possess all oil resources already, so why a conflict?
CarlzimC:However, the OPEC
Arab oil ministers used the oil weapon. Not today.
juttaschmi:The
oil weapon will cease to work soon, Carl.
panta98:Carl, I have to go
to the university early tomorrow, because of the defence of a thesis. Next
week we will contnue here. Send me all that you have saved!
CarlzimC:They control it about
85%, originally to encourage the oil producers to develop because ...
CarlzimC:
... without growth, the producers will die.
juttaschmi:Also
true, Carl. - Okay, gentlemen. Let us continue from here next Tuesday.
We have to get up very early tomorrow morning, Carl.
Pleasantly Fading Out!
CarlzimC:Todayn, the NWO wants
100% control
panta98:Carl, it was a pleasure,
independent of the adverse conditions.
CarlzimC:Today,
panta98:It is always a great
pleasure to chat with you.
CarlzimC:I'll continue to save
what I can
panta98:I enjoyed our topics,
and exchange of ideas very much.
panta98:I'll
patch the three parts together, and add your parts too.
CarlzimC:D'accord, Franz&Jutta.
Un plaisir
panta98:And then I will send
it to everybody!
juttaschmi:So
did I. My first chat in seven months.
panta98:Greetings to Fran!
panta98:Yes,
Jutta. it was nice to have you around again!
CarlzimC:Vive la National Assemby
Francais of 1945
juttaschmi:Good
night, Carl. See you next Tuesday and keep in touch during the week.
panta98:Viva La Energia!!!
juttaschmi:Parlez
vous francais, Carl? Vous etes un genie!
panta98:Viva all Bushmen!!!
juttaschmi:Viva
all Goremen!
CarlzimC:Fran sends her regards
juttaschmi:Thank
you.
CarlzimC:Un peu Francais
juttaschmi:Je
parle un peut aussi.
juttaschmi:Un
tout petit peut.
juttaschmi:or
is it peux?
CarlzimC:Gute nacht, Franz&Jutta
juttaschmi:Never
mind, bonne nuit, Carl.
CarlzimC:Bye
juttaschmi:Bonne
nuit, buenas noches.
panta98:No, Bordeaux!
juttaschmi:Bye.
juttaschmi:Bourdieu,
Franz, Bourdieu.
panta98:Bye!
juttaschmi:Bye!
CarlzimC:Aux armes cityoens
CarlzimC:Bye!
panta98:The Last international!!!
juttaschmi:vive
the last international
panta98:Let's dance the Bordeaux
Polka!!!
juttaschmi has left
the room.
CarlzimC has left the room.
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