A Special
Pandemonium Chat
(Carl, Jutta, Iris & Franz)
Education, Mass Media, Newspeak, Global InfoWar
(Dedicated To Our Pandemonium Crew)
25th December, 2000 (Only slightly edited)
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panta98:Hi! Einai!
Einai2000:Hi!
Franz!
Einai2000:Please
invite Carl, he's on!
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CarlzimC:
Hi, Franz and Iris
Einai2000:Good
evening, Carl! Glad you could make it as usual!
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CarlzimC:Hi, Jutta.
panta98:Hi! All! I'm just inviting
Jutta!
Einai2000:Hi!
Jutta! Welcome, nice to see you again!
panta98:Well, let's have fun,
while it lasts!
CarlzimC:Franz, please introduce
the subject.
juttaschmi:Hi
all!
Einai2000:Please
go ahead, Franz. I understand you will make some introductory remarks.
panta98:OK, Carl.
HISTORICO-PHILOSOPHIC BACKGROUND OF MODERN EDUCATION
panta98:Before
we introduce the major onslaught of mass media terror, let us look at the
historical background of ideology and education.
juttaschmi:Please
proceed, Franz.
panta98:Of course, it is a
huge topic, we will just indicate a few aspects of interest to us, to ideology,
to education, to mass manipulation.
panta98:The
19th century, the epoch of the political victory of bourgeois-democratic
"society", became known as the Epoch of Ideology.
panta98:Among
the famous "ideologues" of that era were Kant, Fichte, Comte, Spencer,
Mill, Schopenhauer, Mach, Nietzsche. Kierkegaard, Hegel, Feuerbach, and,
of course, Marx and Engels.
panta98:All
of them had to pave the road for future ideology, for positive attitudes
towards capitalism, for positive, peaceful acceptance of the labour system,
for positivism and neo-positivism.
juttaschmi:True.
panta98:The separation of Church
and State demanded the coining of a new superstructural system of mind
and thought control, in one word, of education.
Einai2000:...I'm
following...
panta98:Beginning with Kant,
Science and Philosophy dramatically underwent a profound stormy sea metamorphosis;
their essence and existence were transformed radically , leaving the Ptolemaic-Aristotelian
weltanschauung
in the doldrums of classic antiquity.
CarlzimC:For capitalism and
colonialism.
panta98:In the fields of education,
in Orwellian style of Plato and Maquiavelli, in the mass media, all over,
a vile, virulent, virile infowar set in, which is reaching its epidemic
acme and apocalyptic proportions in our very own global times.
panta98:Yes,
Carl.
CarlzimC:Mainly colonialism.
panta98:Basic traditional scientific
and philosophical concepts, such as "metaphysics" or even "logic", acquired
new connotations, which served the innovative interests of the upsurging
capitalist mode of production.
panta98:In
fact, in the aurora of the bourgeois-capitalist superstructure the first
ideological rays began to clear up the obscurantist, absolutist heavenly
sky of Europe; Modern Ideology was born.
CarlzimC:To justify large scale
murder in wars;
CarlzimC:
e.g., USA civil war - test Krupp's cannons.
panta98:Yes, Carl. Before already,
Crusades, Wars Of A Thousand Years!
panta98:However,
metaphysics, which in the "Dark Ages" blissfully had wedded State and Church,
and which was solemnly declared stone-dead by Kant, shortly thereafter,
underwent a semi-miraculous resurrection, a modern reincarnation, in the
absolute idealism of Fichte and Hegel; thus laying the foundation for future
mind and thought control.
CarlzimC:Boer War - civilians
in concentration camps.
juttaschmi:Would
we not have named this ideology "theory" in it's initial phase,
Franz, when those thoughts were still related to the bringing down of feudalism?
panta98:Correctly so, Jutta.
Revolutionary
Theory. Carl, and Rhodes complaining that he did so lttle, and dreaming
about space annexation.
panta98:Proceeding
... It entered the fiery evolutionary naturalism of Spencer, and as philosophy
of history, the gaudiest metaphysical discipline, it even found an eternal
"home, sweet home" in Marxism, and later, in the Philosophy of Hope of
Ernst Bloch. Hence, Gaudeamus! Let Us Rejoice!
panta98:Metaphysics,
the matrix of ideology, of mind and thought control, came into full flower
in the bourgeois epoch, and as "thanksgiving" presented "Man" with a whole
rich crop of grand theories concerning evolution, revolution, emancipation,
freedom and history.
Einai2000:Please
proceed, Franz...
panta98:Furthermore, Jutta,
theorein,
theologize, visions of the future.
CarlzimC:Franz, why was this
philosophy needed? They didn't have to justify anything.
panta98:They had to justify
their future reign of terror of a coming millennium.
juttaschmi:And
meta-physics is precisely logic, the logic of the system.
panta98:Why aristocratic and
"terrorist" heads had to roll.
panta98:Yes,
Jutta, meta-, what is behind, what stands behind ideology,
what stands at the back of the lies, what supports education.
panta98:Proceeding
... Webster's Dictionary, trying to explain "ideology", tells us
what have been coined during that age: " a system of ideas concerning
phenomena, especially those of social life; the manner of thinking characteristic
of a class or an individual".
CarlzimC:Also, the first use
of the mass media - newspapers - mind control.
panta98:Coming to that soon,
Carl.
CarlzimC:OK.
panta98:Proceeding ... In other
words, Labour and Capital necessitated a new unipolar global mass medium,
spreading a globally controlled system of ideas for an unidimensional man.
CarlzimC:To be a bourgeoise
lady and gentleman.
panta98:Anyhow, the "system
of ideas", coined in the 19th and 20th centuries, we find all over in our
mass media; basically ideology still has the original connotation given
to it by Destutt de Tracy. Nevertheless, we should note that already Napoleon,
Hegel and Marx had given it a pejorative meaning.
CarlzimC:The mask - Victorian
age.
juttaschmi:"The
manner of thinking characteristic of a Class" ideology introduces
apartheid
on a thinking level.
panta98:Yes, Carl & Jutta,
the French version: of the haute monde, from the haute
ecole to haute vulgarisation.
MASS MEDIA & GLOBAL INFOWAR
panta98:However, let us move
on towards the contemporary indoctrination of mass media. Ever since 1995,
TV and Radio progressively globalized their services and programming. Competition
increased between cable and telephone companies.
panta98:The
battle cry of all mass media was: Expand, Merge or Exit! What do we witness
now? Thousands of communications satellites in space, satellite dishes
on rooftops, underground fibreglass cables sophisticated transmission.
All trying to educate us, to inform us.
CarlzimC:To control us.
panta98:Let us glimpse at the
mechanisms and fruits of mind and thought control in "sports". We know
that hundreds of millions of people participate in sports on a regular
basis; also, even a greater number watches the Olympic Games and Soccer's
World Cup on television.
juttaschmi:The
monopolization of "information" - or is it rather misinformation?
panta98:Yes, Carl, to control
our mind, body and "soul".
CarlzimC:Electronic Bullscheisse.
Einai2000:Correctly
so, Carl. And Jutta, this is what "information" is all about I'd say...
CarlzimC:D'accord, Iris.
panta98:Yes, Jutta, Mis-dis-de-in-formation.
juttaschmi:Agreed,
Iris. The "truth" is always the opposite, for a start.
panta98:Of course, all these
have enormous social and economic consequences. Practically all governments
have ministries of sport that foment "sport science", that budget large
sums to construct sports facilities and that promote recreational sports
for the masses, and thus they field elite representative sport teams.
panta98:Yes,
this aspect of ideology we have dealt with today, in our short chat, which
I also sent to Carl.
juttaschmi:Franz,
"Sports" falls into the realm of Pane et Circenses - Bread
and Games - for the (Roman) Masses.
Einai2000:Agreed,
Jutta.
CarlzimC:Today, immediate danger
of high tech war in Mideast. Let me know when you want to discuss.
CarlzimC:Extremely
dangerous.
panta98: just now, Carl. Yes,
Jutta. Later we can exemplify the Florida World Cup! The Loser Gets The
Cup!
juttaschmi:What
a game my country(wo)men!
panta98:Proceeding ... Private
enterprise flourishes here, and entrepreneurs market sports equipment.
Global companies purchase sports-related television advertisements that
around the globe cost into the millions of dollars per minute. And billions
of profits are being made.
CarlzimC:Doublespeak.
juttaschmi:The
high-tech war starts with the Global Mass Media, Carl. But let Franz proceed.
panta98:And now, in medias
res of our topic: Completely dependent on each other, the development
of modern sports, also of the infowar, of the war information, has been
intertwined with the growth of current global mass media, and with the
geopolitical interests of the USA, NATO, the Pentagon and NASA.
panta98:Speaking
about global education, mass psychology for global fascism and global information
of the masses, about modern outgrowths of ideology, about mass media, the
infowar and warinfo, let us take a glance at the current Information War
Against Yugoslavia.
INFORMATION WAR AGAINST YUGOSLAVIA
juttaschmi:Interesting.
Please go ahead, Franz.
Einai2000:Proceed,
please, I'm following.
CarlzimC:Proceed.
panta98:Carl, it's your famous
theme, you'll enjoy it -- already due to your East European "bedsheet"
family tree.
CarlzimC:Integration under
the bedsheet.
panta98:It is noteworthy that
we know very little about world events, except that twisted, meagre information
which we mercifully get from our daily newspapers, from radio and TV shows,
from the Internet. Whether anything is true, that's another story; we do
not even have the real global possibility to check out these data.
juttaschmi:Tell
us something about the media-unipolar world, Franz.
panta98:That's coming, Jutta.
panta98:At
the moment, the field of information and communication is being marked
as hyper-medialized. Although least "material", Internet, among other media,
has become one of the most important "raw materials" to launch the Information
War.
panta98:However,
on all levels, using the old ideological techniques, but introducing modern
mind and thought control mechanisms, a brand new Global InfoWar has begun.
By acting against "fiendish" or nonconformist information systems, the
global elite is manipulating information or neutralizing other "terrorist"
communication networks.
juttaschmi:Not
bullets, but ballots.
CarlzimC:Bytes.
juttaschmi:Ballots
and Newspapers and Larry King Live.
juttaschmi:Bytes,
truly so, Carl!
panta98:Yes, Jutta & Carl:
Proceeding ... Apart from Cuba, Iraq or the Mideast, lately Yugoslavia
was one of the mayor targets, the experimental station for the hypermedia
information war.
CarlzimC:Agreed.
panta98:This new war is waged
from the outside, using the major global media as its ideological artillery.
Obviously all these media outlets are under the control of NATO governments
and governments of their allies. Also some internal "fifth column" Yugoslav
media perform this dirty work very well.
panta98:Now,
let us look at the facts, at Who Is Who? Who are the masterminds?
juttaschmi:The
political and economic structures of countries rely heavily on communication
networks and information systems available. Manipulating information can
be disastrous.
panta98:In this case, foremost,
the USA and Great Britain!
CarlzimC:Also, what did they
accomplish in Yugoslavia?
panta98:More than disastrous
- catastrophic, apocalyptic, Jutta.>
panta98:Yes,
Carl.
CarlzimC:Agreed, Franz.
panta98:Proceeding ... Their
governments have founded special headquarters for organizing and financing
the internal Yugoslav mass media to spread ideology and lies. Also for
global psychological warfare, that is, for the famous "psyops" operations.
panta98:And
here are the culprits: Hence, a twofold attack. The external demonization
and organized terror of Serbia and Yugoslavia, propagated by the mogul
global mass media (CNN. Sky, the BBC, ABC, etc.), and the rumination and
mastication of these "facts" and "info" by the internal Yugoslav paid mass
media.
CarlzimC:What have they accomplished
in Yugoslavia?
panta98:Our beloved CNN - first
on the list: Larry King Live, Greta!
panta98:I'll
tell you just now what they tried to accomplish.
panta98:The
local mass media "strikes" replaced the NATO air strikes, and they can
be identified as follows: intoxication, manipulation, brainwashing, destabilization
and interfering with Yugoslavia's internal affairs.
juttaschmi:The
"will of the nation", the "mind of the nation" of the FRY, the "autonomous
interpretation of events" is being twisted and manipulated from outside.
juttaschmi:"outside"
CarlzimC:Agreed, Jutta
panta98:Yes, Jutta. Agreed,
Carl. ... Proceeding --- What are the basic elements of the plans of this
Information Warfare?
CarlzimC:But what was achieved?
panta98:Firstly, the info space
of Yugoslavia has to be dominated, controlled. The following have to be
brainwashed: the opposition, NGOs, phantom professional associations and
trade unions and similar groupings.
CarlzimC:Control.
panta98:Yes, I'm giving you
their strategy now.
CarlzimC:Go, ahead.
panta98:What are they supposed
to do? Among other clandestine reactionary activities, to distribute leaflets
in public places and streets, stick posters and erecting billboards in
populated areas, start the so-called independent papers. radio and television
stations, provide information in the Serbian language via satellite and
short-wave radio and television stations from neighbouring countries.
panta98:And
what should they achieve?
juttaschmi:Achieve
a "Big Brother is always Right - attitude"!
panta98:To confuse and modify
the “will of the nation”, to sow "divide et impera"; to form public opinion
which ...
panta98:...
would he receptive and susceptible to external influences, to the interests
of NATO and Globalization.
panta98:Within
the framework of their geopolitical interests, NATO and its allies are
trying to establish ideological hegemony on a global scale in its absolute
form.
panta98:Folks,
that is all. Now we can debate certain issues within this context.
CarlzimC:In the Mideast - Oil,
but what's in Yugoslavia?
panta98:I "hope" you enjoyed
the "introduction"!
CarlzimC:Indeed Franz
Einai2000:First
of all, once more congratulations for the introduction, Franz!
panta98:Thanks, Iris.
CarlzimC:Excellent, Franz
CarlzimC:I'll
save the chat
panta98:Now, you can discuss
any issue. You can even cut a part of the "lecture", re-post it here, and
ask a direct question.
panta98:All,
please save the chat!!!!
THE DEBATE
juttaschmi:In
the case of Yugoslavia, it has been a "showcase" to make the world accept
armed agression with catastrophic consecuences for it's people, nature
and environment.
panta98:OK, Iris, any remark,
any suggestion?
Einai2000:What
once more caught my attention was, amongst other things, the point you
made on "information", that is, on what we are told of being the "news"
of the day, also known as "reality", Franz.
panta98:It was a military laboratory
to launch "Newspeak" and "Democracy" on a global scale.
juttaschmi:And
acceptance of such guinea-pig experiments has been heavily promoted by
the global media.
panta98:In the Mideast the
other part of the experiment continues, in which Carl is the expert!
CarlzimC:In the Mideast, they
don't want Iraq to raise oil prices and wreck the global economy, and want
Saudi Arabia to neutralize it by lowering prices.
CarlzimC:So
Iraq looks like the hero and Saudi Arabia looks like the USA lapdog in
Mideast.
panta98:Yes, Carl. Your previous
question was most interesting: In the Mideast
- Oil, but what's in Yugoslavia?
Einai2000:What
we are "informed" of, or as Jutta put it correctly earlier - misinformed
- has little to do with what is "really" ggoing on. This is "official history"
which we will have to learn later. So, it's clear once more what "education"
is all about...
CarlzimC:They want total control
of Mideast oil.
Einai2000:..please
proceed, Carl.
CarlzimC: An excuse for NATO
including US to invade the entire region.
juttaschmi:The
so called Natural Heritage in Yugoslavia - gone down the drain! The biological
diversity on the territory of FRY - maimed. NATO bombed Civilians, National
Parks, and anything they would come across.
panta98:Quite so, Iris. Hence,
I am wondering what is really going on!
Einai2000:Same
here, Franz!
panta98:They will be educated
a new tradition, the culture of NATO air-strikes.
juttaschmi:NATO-agression
against Yugoslavia was in part a horrible experiment, Carl.
CarlzimC:Israel looks like
the bad guy, so the USA and NATO say, they can no longer depend on it,
and must invade the region themselves.
panta98:This forms part of
global militarization, the new version of "Discovery, Mind Control, Militarization,
Totalitarian, Authoritarian Subjugation". Global Space Colonization. Yugoslavia
was probably just the guinea-pig, the experimental station for the next
step -- why not China?
CarlzimC:Palestinians get a
State alongside Israel- All must kowtow to the NWO!
panta98:First Cuba, then Iraq
was the second experiment in line. Then came Bosnia - Yugoslavia.
CarlzimC:China is extremely
complicated. That's in the future.
panta98:What next? Colombia,
Venezuela? Plan Colombia?
Einai2000:A
terrible experiment indeed! And I suspect that the careful dose of "information",
e.g., on NATO bombarding civilians, was part of the experiment, too. --
I also remember, in the "Information on Yugoslavia" context, ...
CarlzimC:Relation of oil to
the global economy is the big deal today.
panta98:China, ... That will
be the finalization of the Experiment. It will be the Last World Cup "Bread
and Games". NATO versus China! Bush as Goal-Keeper!!! Gore as House-Keeper!!!
The Global Family Minister. God Bless NATO! Let us pray for NATO!
juttaschmi:China,
Russia, India and smaller countries like Yugoslavia might want to seek
building a counter-force to the so called unipolar world.
juttaschmi:Iris,
please continue.
panta98:Continue, Jutta. It's
too late, at this stage of development, also a United Africa or Latin America
would just be "political aid" for the realization of a perfect, future
New World Order!
CarlzimC:Continue, guys.
Einai2000:
... an article on NATO soldiers violating
women, and the only thing which was decided, was to give them one preservative
per day... what an absurd, perverse brave new world...
juttaschmi:They
still are dreaming about building a better world of greater justice, Franz
and Carl.
juttaschmi:Horrible,
Iris!
juttaschmi:Disgusting.
Einai2000:Yes,
Jutta.
panta98:Excellent birth-control
education for our "boys" overseas. But Herrenvolk "human cloning", already
for decades in process, and "global sterilization", eventually, will solve
this small problem too.
CarlzimC:Horrible.
panta98:Yes, our beloved Bill
already set this sexual pace.
juttaschmi:"Wars"
do not have any "reason" anymore. The whole thing is in a permanent state
of war, guys.
CarlzimC:China, India, Russia
- phony entente.
Einai2000:I
fear you are right, Jutta.
CarlzimC:They can't pay-off
their debts to the IMF.
juttaschmi:I
would rather sit in my cave with a club than having to witness the global
war circus.
panta98:You mean, Jutta, the
"Thgird World War" is in full process; but everybody is "informed", is
"educated" just to see "Peace Talks". In any case, what is left of billions
of brains, just see what the mass media report.
CarlzimC:Piece talks.
CarlzimC:Chamberlain
again.
panta98:A World in Peace, in
Pieces!
juttaschmi:It
seems to me, that there have been many more than just two or three World
Wars, Franz. The whole "damn" global labour process is and has been one
big, disgusting war - people against nature and people against people.
CarlzimC:In 1939, Gertrude
Stein sponsored Hitler for the Nobel Peace Prize due to Munich.
juttaschmi:True,
Franz. They called it PEACE. Ridiculous.
panta98:Well, now we know what
Nobel Prizes are all about, and why erudite scholars are being laureated!
And what education and the mass media have got to do with this "Permanent
War"!
CarlzimC: PIECE!
juttaschmi:Interesting
observation, Carl. This is the "irony" of the system.
CarlzimC:Brainwashing.
Einai2000:As
Orwell put it: War IS Peace - without any doubt, he hits the nail on its
head!
juttaschmi:They
shoot everything to PIECES and are talking of PEACE.
juttaschmi:Exactly
so, Iris.
panta98:A Masterpiece. Excellent
work! It shows what the "Truth" is all about. For us, firstly, the opposite
of the "news" is true. The opposite of all the straw which we have acquired
over the decades in our brains is true. Later, we'll see that both are
true, and that neither of the two are true, etc. This is conscientization,
becoming conscious in an emancipatory, historic way. For the "normal" academic
scholars. this must be "blasphemy" which we portray here. Unfortunately,
it's the "gospel truth".
CarlzimC: PIECE in our time.
juttaschmi:And
the astonishing thing is, HOW they accomplished people to "see" reversely.
CarlzimC:Derrida - reconstructrion.
Einai2000:Probably
they had some problems with semantics... sorry...
juttaschmi:They
have war in front of their noses at all levels and yet they see peace.
panta98:Yes, you don't see
with your myopic eyes, but with a cloned, ideological brain. This "historic"
process running in "reverse", we have to put in "first gear", and then
we will know the gist of this Information InfoWar Tank. Later we can put
it in "top gear", and understand MUCH MORE.
juttaschmi:Derrida
- redestruction, Carl.
Einai2000:Or
they have living and dead corpses in front of their noses and still see
"Human Beings" and "Human Rights".
CarlzimC: Victorious peace
(HG Wells).
juttaschmi:Unfortunately
so, Iris!!
panta98: A Paradox of our Times,
Carl, an oxymoron! A world of oxy-morons!! It will run out of oxygen soon,
but never out of morons. Yes, applying the "method in our madness", it
is very easy to know what is what with reference to Education, Truth and
Peace.
panta98:You
just translate information and news into their opposites, and there you
are approximating emancipatory truth. This is the inverted images in the
"camera oscura" about which Marx spoke, with reference to ideology.
juttaschmi:The
brains are being maimed worldwide by the ideology carried forth by the
global mass media, including the Internet.
panta98:Only then we could
combine the two, and have two sides of global truth, of "world peace",
of "rest in peace".
juttaschmi:Correct,
Franz.
Einai2000:Jutta,
maimed - what does this mean, please?
juttaschmi:Maimed
is "verstümmelt", Iris.
Einai2000:Ok,
thanks, Jutta.
juttaschmi:ok
CarlzimC:In the UN, Britain,
Franz and Russia abstained, thus preventing the sending of UN observers
to the Mideast.
panta98:Then you look at neither
of the two, and then you see the real "flying saucers" zooming and buzzing
around your nose; also the emancipatory hornets.
juttaschmi:Franz?
juttaschmi:
:-)
juttaschmi:France.
Einai2000:That
is interesting, please proceed, Franz
:-)
CarlzimC:Setting the
stage for USA and NATO invasion.
juttaschmi:Carl,
you said Britain, Franz and Russia!
;-)
CarlzimC:Yep. Surprise.
juttaschmi:I
never knew Franz had that much international weight! :-)
juttaschmi:He
surely does.
CarlzimC:And Israel and China
are allies.
panta98: Yes, I am a heavy
weight. A "Fat Boy".
juttaschmi:Truly
so, dear Franz.
panta98:I have a huge international
figure.
Einai2000:Typical
Franz! :-)
CarlzimC:Sorry, Franz.
CarlzimC:France.
Einai2000:Francoise!
panta98:The fact of the matter,
again and again, what should we do about our education? What should we
think about our "brilliant and bright" ideas, which we have received from
"education", now and here, forever, amen? After all, we all are related
to university education in one way or the other.
juttaschmi:The
problem is, Carl, that anything NATO does or has done is being heavily
promoted through the international mass media, and the information war
is probably the most important frontline attack today.
CarlzimC:Agreed, Jutta.
panta98: How desperate one
must feel, adapting curricula to modern developments, to determine the
future role of political science students! To use vocabulary, which expresses
"political correctness", "public opinion", etc. Anyhow, ... What brought
about this misinformation, this deformation, this perversion? What is its
opposite?
Einai2000:Probably
we should start to think seriousely about all this, Franz.
juttaschmi:What
do we make of all those "data" we get on a daily basis? How do we interpret
them, Franz?
Einai2000:(...to
your question above...)
CarlzimC:First, continue with
our emancipatory chats. Invite others.
panta98:How was the "positive
attitude", the "positive action", the "positive approach" to labour, to
society developed? What about "pragmatism", "positivism", neo-positivism"?
Carl, only those who are on track, on orbit, will read our chats, can read
them at all, will visit our home pages, forums and web sites.
panta98:The rest, no matter
how many invitations we send, will continue enjoying their delirious, hypnotic,
psychedelic, psychographic, or even, psychopathic sojourn in the labour
wilderness of ideology, of education, information and news. It's their
choice, their birthright, their freedom of thought, their democratic good
will. This we respect very highly. They are happy with all these. Let them
enjoy their careers to the fullest! Big Brother has them by the ... .
juttaschmi:Is
there any way to know "what is really going on" with data provided from
the global mass media?
Einai2000:How
to find out which way, how, in which sense the data provided could possibly
make sense?
panta98: I explained the methodic
approach above already. You don't need to jump around on the Moon, to know
what is going on there. Just read and study Occult Ether Physics! Then
apply our method. Did not Thales look for the arche, for the one?
For one single affirmative principle? In a geocentric world, he could predict
a total eclipse of the sun on May 25, 585 B.C., which could have been possible
only with the heliocentric view of the Copernican Revolution. He surpassed
the education and mass media of his time, similarly, already Democritus
could see transhistorically the very atom. Of course, the erudite official
"think-tanks" declared them to be "nuts".
juttaschmi: They
surely did, Franz.
panta98: Well, we have eminent
teachers! We live in a world, where there should be no opposition, no opposite,
no negation, no contradiction, no motion, only Death.
panta98: Does not everybody
hate Negation? Contradiction? Well, let us be hippies, have "flower power".
Let us fall in love with them, with the "forbidden fruits", rather stand
in Love with them!
CarlzimC:In the Internet chats,
e.g., Delphi. We'll find what we're looking for.
juttaschmi:Nowadays,
the global media are promoting the one and only truth. Yet, we would like
to get to know the other side of the coin, and then neither one of them,
too.
panta98:Yes, Carl. Does not
the system do anything and everything, so that nobody ever would dare to
say no to Bush, no to the Pentagon, no to democracy?
In the USA, "racism" is even a forbidden topic.
panta98:Well,
what to do? To learn to say and do: NO!
CarlzimC:Not entirely, Franz
juttaschmi:There
are already different "Internets", Carl. The classified one, and the one
for the global masses.
panta98:Then, Yes
and No!
panta98:
then,
neither Yes nor No.
panta98: then, the other
Other, another Other, etc., etc.
CarlzimC:Sometimes, there's
a leak.
CarlzimC:e.g.,
Bill Lyne.
panta98:Yes, the leak is important,
it leads to more things, to neither white nor black holes, to Occult Ether
Physics.
juttaschmi:And
when something leaks, Carl, the brains of the masses are conditioned not
to "believe it".
Einai2000:Unfortunately
so, Jutta.
panta98:Something must leak
out of something into something else.
juttaschmi:Yes,
Iris.
panta98:That's relevant, else
there is no leak. A system in a system cannot "leak". An empty brain cannot
leak anymore. Empty tins, like politicians, like political ideologues,
just make a hell of a noise, but they do not leak.
juttaschmi:Today,
you can lie with the truth.
panta98:And Bush tells the
Truth with Lies. And somebody else lies by telling the Truth! If I say:
"I am a Liar", am I telling the Truth? Or am I telling a Lie? This is the
Paradox of Truth in Labour Land, in Education, in the Mass Media, in Newspeak!
juttaschmi:True,
Franz.
panta98:IIIiiirrriiisss!!!
Einai2000:I'm
here my dear!
panta98:An airlock? A leak
in the university system????
panta98:OK!
juttaschmi:Carl,
whatever happened to the efforts of Miami Herald to get a
look at those ballots in Florida?
panta98:Why is the Bush clique
afraid of a scientific recount?
juttaschmi:Firstly,
the hosts of CNN programmes I watched seemed to be in favour of counting
the ballots in Florida. After the Supreme Court had spoken and after the
big "reconciliation night", CNN hosts would speak out against counting
the ballots after the Court's Decision, by argumenting "what for"?!
panta98:Why does all America
know the "Truth" that Gore won, and yet All America, like the "Time" declare
him to be "The Man Of The Year". Have All America gone nuts, are bamboozled,
brainwashed?
juttaschmi:They
said, now, that the Supreme Court has spoken, let those ballots rest in
PEACE.
Einai2000:And
now, knowing how the "information warfare" works, what kind of bullets
are behind this theatre of ballots?
panta98:What do the American
hornets think and say?
Einai2000:Why
this "end of the milennium US Elections spectacle"?
panta98:Spectacle, you mean
debacle!
juttaschmi:The
Supreme Court is part of the Information War, Iris.
panta98:And CNN too!
panta98:And
Bush & Gore too.
juttaschmi:In
CNN, The Supreme Court and In God We Trust. God Bless America!
CarlzimC:The NWO weakened the
Presidency and national sovereignty.
panta98:God Bless The Ballot
and the Bullet!
panta98:God
Bless the Dollar and America!
CarlzimC: and the Byte.
juttaschmi:Carl,
can we still talk about "nation sovereignty" today?
CarlzimC: Nope.
panta98:Now, it is getting
interesting!
Einai2000:What
is behind all this? Surely, they do have an interest of providing all this
"information", they also could have decided not to make this "version"
public.
Einai2000:Please
proceed, Carl and Jutta...
juttaschmi:Is
it not the global corporations, that posess "international sovereignty"?
CarlzimC:Yes, Jutta.
panta98:The State is disappearing
on a world scale. A World State, a Global State, is anachronic, two Presidents
too, hence, what next?
CarlzimC:Faceless Big Brothers.
juttaschmi:So,
global business dictates the economic and political fate of the different
regions of the planet, formerly called "countries" or nation states.
panta98:What does that really
imply, Carl?
juttaschmi:The
real presidents are sitting elsewhere, not in the White House.
Einai2000:So
we have what Marx "predicted" in another context, the "fading away" of
the State?
panta98:One Big Set of Big
Brothers! A Galactic fraternity. Before we had the Papacy, the Heavenly
Trinity!
juttaschmi:They
probably sit on the International Space Station ...
CarlzimC:Next, a central global
social agency and bank replacing UN and IMF.
juttaschmi:
.. and spit down on the "miserables" of the
earth.
Einai2000:
:-) Jutta!
juttaschmi:
;-)
panta98:Everything which
Marx predicted is coming "true".
juttaschmi:Carl,
this is interesting. Why would the UN and IMF have to be replaced? Please
explain.
CarlzimC: stabilize free flow
of global capital and stabilize global financial markets.
panta98:The monopolization,
the global pauperization, the senselessness of a falling profit rate, the
global international, the withering away of the state, the all-round modern
worker. ... all these are becoming realities, but not in the way which
Marx and Engels had anticipated them.
juttaschmi:Hahaha,
Carl!
Einai2000:Carl
:-)
juttaschmi:What
would the role of a central global social agency be?
panta98:Carl, the US will be
replaced by US.
CarlzimC:The International
NWO shall be the human race.
juttaschmi:
hm....
CarlzimC:Yep, Franz.
Einai2000:Please
explain, Franz.
Einai2000:In
which sense?
panta98: HHmmm ... by the United
Hornets Of The Galaxies; that's why Nixon already prepared his War Of The
Galaxies.
Einai2000:Knowing
you, this statement was more .. other than kidding. I remember
what you explained last time with reference to the Labour Process... was
your comment pointing in that direction?
panta98:In fact, "replace",
"respace" or "retime" are not really the terms.
Einai2000:...stating
that "us", we, will "replace" the US?
panta98:Yes, I meant "excel",
"transcend".
Einai2000:Franz?
juttaschmi: Proceed,
guys, I'm following.
Einai2000:Okay,
please, could you explain a bit further, Franz?
panta98:When the key to the
"revolutionary" door - surpus value" - was discovered, around the
12th century in Europe, it was the practically then already, the end of
feudalism, of physical labour, of agricultural production.
juttaschmi:War
of the Galaxies - the perpetuation of what has been going on on the planet
for millennia.
CarlzimC:Which is...?
Einai2000:Combining
it probably with the observations of Carl and Jutta with reference to the
"national state".
Einai2000:...please
proceed...
panta98:The key was Capital
- Commodities - More Capital. Accumulationn.
juttaschmi:The
end of feudalism was the upcoming capitalism, Carl.
CarlzimC:Yep
juttaschmi:So,
the question is, what is the end of capitalism?!
juttaschmi:What
"replaces" capitalism?!
panta98:Now, this process,
this door is being slammed to a close, by Big Brother Himself.
Einai2000:As
Franz would say, now it's getting hot in the pandemonium kitchen...please
proceed
CarlzimC:Actually, a new beginning
Franz
panta98:Like they would say
in German, when Iris closes the bar, Es ist Feierabend!!
Einai2000:Ha!
Sakud, Franz!
Einai2000:Salud,
digo.
juttaschmi:Capitalism
is based on the production of profits and on competition. Once there is
no competition anymore, and everything is globalized into one, big, planetary
corporation, it is "the end" of capitalism.
CarlzimC:D'accord.
panta98:The question is, what
next? Or rather, for the very first time in millennia? What is not
next?
CarlzimC:Manipulated, controlled
competition.
panta98:If we look at next
in space and time, then we are still on the old C-G-C+ track.
CarlzimC:People compete to
benefit Big Brothers.
juttaschmi:What
does one, big, planetary corporation "produce"? "Profits"? Or would we
be entering the global heaven of planned economy? Production of values
of use?
Einai2000:Sorry,
Franz, on which track?
panta98: Well, Jutta, that
is what "Democracy" and the NWO promise to all "human beings"! What if
"Big Brother" is not "next"? Our education tells us so. But is it necessarily
so?
CarlzimC:Profit at a faster
pace or faster rat race.
Einai2000:Interesting
question, Jutta!
juttaschmi:Capitalism
produces values of exchange. Global Monopolism produces what?
CarlzimC: values of control.
panta98:The dinosaurs had no
"next".
panta98:And
look what came "next", neither dino nor saur.
Something really running sour down our throats!
juttaschmi:Global
Capitalism has destroyed nature, will annihilate physical and intellectual
labour. Global Monopolism probably has to rebuild them.
CarlzimC: Dinosaurs couldn't
colonize outer Space.
juttaschmi:Global
Monopolism seems to have to rebuild a new world from scratch - they have
already started.
CarlzimC: The Global NWO can.
panta98: Carl, who knows what
they would have "built" by now -- surely not this "Katzenjammer" -- this
cat "Golgotha". How do you "re-build" something, which you have destroyed
in a particular way? Can you use your old ways and means to re-construct
something? And if you do so, you'll have to repeat history next time again.
CarlzimC:What will the new
world be like? Everything unnatural
juttaschmi:They
have put their fingers onto the DNA of all sorts of life - the "software
of life". They are God now, in whom we trust.
CarlzimC:All unnatural.
CarlzimC:All
robotic.
panta98: Carl, if that outside
there is natural, then, if my Grandma had wings, then, she would have been
a "Challenger". Also, who builds? Those that were building Pyramids, White
Houses, Taj Mahals, Microsoft, will soon just be re-building dust. sawdust,
straw,
moonscapes, marscraters.
juttaschmi:No
repetition of history, Franz. This would be something else, I guess. And
Carl, yes: artificial life. This is what they are experimenting with so
desperately.
juttaschmi:It
would seem "natural" or "intelligent" to the artificial clones, creatures,
plants, animals, etc., Carl.
panta98:We who had negated,
attacked, crucified "God" so much, what would happen, if we -- not
understood in a personal way -- are the "gods" of emancipation? Iris, calm
down, take two cigarettes, hold your beer!
juttaschmi:Life
out of the test-tube - Welcome to the Brave New World.
juttaschmi:Beer?
juttaschmi:Where?!
Einai2000:Franz,
I'd say you surely cannot construct or "re-construct" what is destroyed...
Einai2000:haaa!
carambale!
CarlzimC:Guys, in the public
chat rooms, when I discuss these issues, I get enormous opposition - being
accused of promoting conspiracies; some support, though.
panta98:Out of "Thought", special
thinking, let's say, Emancipatory Thinking, we could say: After
the End, Before the Beginning was Cosmos.
juttaschmi:If
I'm not mistaken, the Germans are contributing to the ISS (International
Space Station) with a laboratory, that has to accomplish the creation of
life in an unearthly environment, such as animals and plants.
panta98:And then, Fiat Lux!
panta98:Neither-Nor!
CarlzimC:Jutta, please send
me the URL.
juttaschmi:Carl,
you yourself have been taking part in experiments of the artificial reconstruction
of the conditions that lead to the formation of life on the planet earth,
if I remember correctly.
juttaschmi:I
will try to find a URL, Carl. I remember this from a report on TV (if the
data are reliable).
Einai2000:I
was about to say, to your question, Franz, what Jutta already mentioned,
there have to be taken "new ways", other methods to "reconstruct" what
is destroyed...however, that what is destroyed you won't get again in it's
former meaning to put it somehow.
panta98: Yes, Iris, the mentally
manufactured Space and Time parameters would be different, hence, it cannot
be the same again. Well, that's what I am trying to hint at Carl. You are
an Emancipatory "Creator".
juttaschmi:With
all that technology, nanotechnology, biological engineering, etc. etc.,
we probably cannot imagine what is accomplishable these days.
juttaschmi:Yet
with our globally educated minds, we have some difficulties in grasping
the Zeitgeist!
juttaschmi:And
the Raumgeist, of course.
Einai2000:Yes,
the tendencies of the process, agreed, Jutta.
panta98:Until now, construction
and reconstruction fell within the ambit of Labour, now there are other
Historic ways in which Nature and Society can "create", -- even God
is a labour creation, --- now, imagine, God, or rather Mother Earth
or Mother Nature, not created by Manual, Intellectual and Rational
Labour. She would put the Macho Christian God to shame, void of words and
thoughts, he would not even qualify as a nerd, as a Beginner!
Einai2000:Only
Weingeist
left on a world scale...
juttaschmi:The
artificial creation of formerly "natural" things is, what Marx described
as the total independization of man from nature, towards which capitalism
made a huge step. This is also, why Marx was fascinated by capitalism in
first place.
Einai2000:Also
what Engels wrote in his Dialectics of Nature which you, Franz, quoted
in your latest work, in your trabajo de ascenso. Please, Jutta,
tell Carl this one!
panta98:Anything accomplished
by LABOUR, whether physical, intellectual or rational, will, can and never
ever could transcend Illuminati Land.
juttaschmi:But
Engels warned, that the consequences of man's labour could only be extinguished
with the annhilation of the entire planet.
juttaschmi:*Brainwave*,
Iris!!
panta98:That's why I said,
in Emancipation, there will be no "production process", no "mode of production"!
No worker, no working homo sapiesn sapiens will be left!
Where there is no nature to exploit, there is no production process, no
Man!
Einai2000:Yes,
mi pana!
juttaschmi:Iris
and Jutta: The Brainwave-Surfers!
juttaschmi:
;-)
Einai2000:We
two even don't need flying saucers it seems
;-)
panta98:Engels and Hegel
gave the key to the emancipatory sphere! What is it?
juttaschmi:No,
we don't need them, Iris. We have interbrain telesaucers.
panta98:Panas, cool down!
juttaschmi:Interbrain
Teleférico.
panta98:Anything accomplished
by LABOUR, whether physical, intellectual or rational, will, can and never
ever could transcend Illuminati Land. Labour, like Hegel's World Spirit,
which is the Labour Spirit, Arbeitsgeist, Man, can
only re-construct, re-build itself: Alienation, Exploitation, Domination
and Discrimination. It, Man, did it before, it will do it next, will do
it forever, unless Emancipation, History, blow the hell out of it, that
is, human production out of the Magellanic Clouds!
juttaschmi:So,
where do we go from here?
panta98:That's why I said,
in Emancipation, there will be no "production process", no "mode of production"!
juttaschmi:Mode
of destruction, Franz.
panta98:Engels and Hegel gave
the key to the emancipatory sphere! What is it?
juttaschmi:This
is, what the labour process was all about.
juttaschmi:Mode
of production AND mode of destruction and neither mode of production nor
mode of destruction.
juttaschmi:-
Engels and Hegel.
panta98:Yes! Both said that
Nature will be consumed, will be totally consummated.
panta98:And
then? What about Labour? What about its process? What about its mode?
juttaschmi:Nature
will be destroyed. Eradicated.
juttaschmi:And
so will be "man". Hopefully.
juttaschmi:
;-)
panta98:Yes, Labour
Nature! But not Historic Nature!
juttaschmi:As
Jeff once said: Beauty is nature without humans in it.
panta98:Are you all "human",
are you all "human beings"?
juttaschmi:Not
only human, Franz.
panta98:Where "are' you? In
Labour "Nature"? Only in there? Are you all still there?
juttaschmi:Human
and shape-shifting alien, too. (Thanks to my new Venezuelan Haircut)
panta98:Delilah normally cuts
Big Brother Samson's hair, so that he could lose his "Power".
Beware of an immanent NWO Power Cut! A Total
Black-Out!
panta98:Jutta
got stuck, she has to reboot.
juttaschmi has left
the room.
Einai2000 has left the room.
AFTERMATH
CarlzimC:OK. Listening.
Fran came home from work.
panta98:Carl, now Iris is gone
too.
panta98:AOL
starts with monkey tricks.
CarlzimC:Unfortunate.
panta98:Let's wait for them,
save everything, then I will also re-log-in on Internet. it will throw
me off just now too. But. let's wait a while and see.
panta98:When can we resume,
2nd or 9th January?
CarlzimC:Jan. 2. OK?
panta98:Jutta sends greetings
to You and Fran. She can't come back, is only listed as invited. AOL gave
up the ghost!!
panta98:
Jan 2. OK!
panta98:
OK! Bye! Carl.
CarlzimC: Fran sends her regards
to all. Bye.
panta98:Thanks. Bye!!!
CarlzimC has left the
room.
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