Folks,
Enjoy the correspondence below,
and please comment.
Greetings,
Franz.
*******************************************************8
Subject:
Re:
"RACISM" IN DURBAN, SOUTH AFRICA
Date:
Mon,
03 Sep 2001 19:40:24 -0700
From:
Carl
Zimmeman
To:
Konrad
Knolle
References:
1
, 2 , 3
Konrad:
Thank you for your interesting points. I'm saying
that that the focus
of the
Zionism/racism issue at Durban detracted from the
main problem of
racism today,
which is neocolonial exploitation of the world's oil
and minerals,
cheap labor and
sharp divisions between intellectual and physical
labor and rich and
poor nations,
which are all interrelation. Perhaps the Zionism/racism
issue should
have been
discussed separately between Israeli and Palestinian
leaders, not at
Durban. In the
final analysis, Durban will do nothing to end racism.
A revolution
will be needed to
accomplish that, and Durban prevented it.
Carl
***************************************************************
Konrad Knolle wrote:
Carl,
> Racism was the issue at Durban.
>
> Zionism, even if we see its
traditions as being much
more than what Herzl made
> out of it, is racism, and
it does refer to the colonial
origins of the entire
> problem as Edward Said had
put it.
>
> Todays Zionism is based on
the romantic traditions of
nation building in Europe
> which clearly is an answer
to the idea of the Nation as
the French
> Revolution had developed it.
It is interesting to note,
that the German
> romantiv idealistic idea of
the Nation was the basic
stuff of the koncept of
> nation building in the Eastern
European countries. Herzl
was certainly
> influenced by this.
>
> The Israeli war of "independence"
took place under the
umbrella of British
> imperialist connotations and
in competition against the
German attempt to
> counteract the British advance
in the Middle East Osman
Empire.
>
> Yes, it is true, that racism
is more than Zionism. But
Zionism established a
> Euro-American zone of interest
and reproduced an Überbau
(superstructure) which
was the
> foundation of political actions
such as the Suez
Canal-War in 1956.
>
> Zionism built a nation on
grounds of ethnic leanings
until today when I look at
> the annexations of territories
after 1967.
>
> That the US and Israel left
Durban because of the
racism-debate referring to the
> Zionist conquest is very understandable
but it doesn't
rebuke this debate.
>
> Palestine is the last victim
of the traditional concept
of colonial racism, it
> is anachronistic and it is
brutal. Because it is
anachronistic, the racist
> ideologiy has become quite
opaque. This is because our
debate of the concept of
> racism has surpassed the Zionist
axioms of racism.
>
> It is of no surprise that
the Americans left the
conference together with
> Israel. Todays racist segments
of the Israeli society
largely come out of the
> US debate on ethnicity in
which certain Jewish circles
inside the USA are trying
> to compensate their problems
of modernity and the
postindustrial dstructions of
> the concept of "society" in
the Überbau by reconstructing
a romantiv concept of
> Volk and Nation on
the backs of 5 millions of
Palestinian displaced persons
> still living under the most
terible conditions in
refugee camps.
>
> Konrad Knolle
************************************************************
> Carl Zimmeman schrieb:
> > Franz:
> > Thanks.
> > Carl
> >
> > Franz Lee / Jutta Schmitt wrote:
> >
> > > Subject:
> > > Durban
> > > Date:
> > > Sun,
02 Sep 2001 21:41:33 -0700
> > > From:
> > > Carl
Zimmeman
> > > To:
> > > franzjutta@cantv.net,
jutta@aktionspotenzial.de,
> > > scott@imatech.com, kh9syl@sprint.ca,
> > > billlyne@earthlink.net
> > >
> > >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > At Durban, the Zionism/racism issue did exactly
what
it was intended
> > > to do - split the Conference and prevent effective
action against
> > > racism,
> > > which is cheap labor, and neocolonial exploitation
of the world's oil
> > > and minerals. I'm surprised that the leaders
of
various American
> > > Black Civil Rights groups didn't see this unless
they're working for
> > > the
> > > same masters. A revolution is needed to end
racism,
and Durban is a
> > > shining
> > > example of counter-revolution.
> > >
> > > Carl.
> > >
*************************************************************
> > >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > If you want to be informed
about "racism", in a
stringent
> > > scientific-philosophic
way, then just visit:
> > >
> > >
http://www.oocities.org/Athens/Academy/8545/university.html
> > >
> > > AND READ MY BOOKS, IN
ENGLISH, SPANISH AND GERMAN ON
"RACISM",
> > > ESPECIALLY IN DURBAN,
SOUTH AFRICA ITSELF!
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > Franz.
> > >
*************************************************************
NEXT
**********************************************************************