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Alfred James Bailey, Emily Ruth Cottingham, Fanny Louisa Hunter,
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Alexander McNair, Annie Elizabeth Murie, Violet Mary Parker,
Louisa Rohr, Mary Ann Sleep, Joseph Wallace,

John Elmore came Nov 1860 aged 27, on the Empress of the Sea
John Elmore died early in 1866 #122, aged 33, when his parents are listed as 'unknown' and his birthplace is shown as Devon. The place of death in Victoria is not shown in the Index.

From on Wed, 6 Sep 2006, James Elmer / West Winch

Hello Elizabeth,

When you were at Swaffham you were just 12 miles from J F Elmer's birthplace at West Winch.

James father John b 26th Feb 1804 West Winch wed Jane Lake b 1803 West Winch at W W on 6th Nov 1829.
They had 4 children William 1830, Robert 1831, John 1833, Elisabeth 1835. Jane died in 1836.

John married again to Jane Mason b 1820, they had 4 more children.
Henry 1839, Sarah Jane 1841, James 1842 and James Frederick 1844.

The 1851 census is a bit confusing as the 2 elder children John and Elizabeth are by John's first wife and it is from this John b 1833 that I am desended,

It seems that J F came to Australia with the name Elmar, it had somehow got changed from Aylmer which it is on the 1851 census, but by the next census it was Elmer and has been since.

You may be aware that J F sailed on the ship "Lucibelle" , on the same ship was a family, husband and wife with 2 children with the surname CUTLER, I know nothing of them after the voyage, They were W W people and I would love to know how they got on.

When J F left W W it was a village of about 400 inhabitants all of them being farm workers with not much to look forward to.
It has grown a great deal in more recent years with lots of new houses and people moving down from London.
As for pictures I can only suggest you put West Winch in to Google and see whats there,we do not have a local webb site.

I do have lots more information the Elmer family and I'll try to answer any further questions you may have.

James F Elmores mother died 12th August 1907 at "The Chequers Inn" West Winch where her grandson James Boughen was the licensee, She was aged 86.

From a hot and sunny West Winch Cheers .

Ray


The Melbourne Argus reported on Monday 1 June 1868,
arrival of Lucibelle, ship, 914 tons, Charles Forster master, from the Downs 7 Feb. Passengers cabin- Mr Thos Morton, Mr S Silcock, and 18 in the steerage. Holmes, White and Co, Agents. In the adjoining column is a long list of merchendise she brought. And the third column reports - The Lucibelle ... was delayed a week in the Channel (UK) which was not cleared till Feb 14, in consequence of the ship having to beat down the whole distance against strong south-westerly gales. Light variable weather was then experienced to the equator, which was crossed on 15 March, in Long. 25deg 10min, W. The SE Trades were very light and shy, and light weather prevailed to the meridian of the Cape of Good Hope, passed on 22 Apr. Cape Otway was passed on Friday and the Heads entered at 0ne pm on Saturday.

The Lucibelle came 30 May 1868, and was in Sydney in August 1868 when a Tsunami was experienced.
Following the 13 August 1868 earthquake off the coast of Chile and Peru, resulting tsunamis travelled across the Pacific Ocean. They were eventually observed at 44 locations in Australia and New Zealand. Wave run-up heights of between 0.5m and 2.5m were observed at Newcastle and Sydney in NSW, Hobart in Tasmania and at Albany in WA.
The following article appeared in the Sydney Morning Herald (18 & 19/8/1868):
At 8.30 the vessels in Newcasle Harbour were thrown into great confusion. The 'Alexander' broke from her moorings and had to anchor in the stream. The 'Planter' was shaken so much by the action of the tides that the captain expected this masts to fall. The ship 'Lucibelle', 1000 tons, was swung around four times, although a strong ebb tide was running, and the vessels in harbour swung around in all directions. The tide ran down sometimes at a rate of 12 knots, the same as if there was a strong fresh in the river. At 11.30, the extraordinary sudden rise and fall of the tide was between four and five feet which caused great consternation amongst shipping. The steam tugs 'Warhawk' and 'Rapid' were left stranded in the blind channel by the retreating of the water. The action was experienced the same at Port Waratah. The sandbanks in the channel were left quite dry at times, and as suddenly covered. Mr Keene, Government Examiner at Coal Fields, was watching a gauge at the time of low water, shortly before 12 o'clock, and he witnessed a rise and fall of 2 feet 4 inches (710 mm) in fifteen minutes.

In thanking Ray, I looked up the Cutler family to 1888, see this family after the Elmore notes, here at the bottom of this page

James Frederick Elmore 1844 - 1906, born in Norfolk UK, son of Jane Lake and John Elmore (stepson of Jane Mason listed in death index), died at Prahan, Victoria, wed 1883 #4306, at Ballarat, to Julia Stewart 1861 - 1943, born in Ballarat to Mary Ann Attewell and James Stewart, died at Korumburra, Victoria.

11 Children 1. Julia Elmore 1884 - 1955
2. Jane Elmore 1885 - 1975
3. James Frederick Elmore 1887 - 1951, born at Wycheproof,
4. Ellen Elmore 1889 - 1975
5. Marion Elmore 1891 - 1970
6. Twin Thomas Henry Elmore 1894 #316
7. Twin William Albert Elmore 1894 #317 - 1966
8. George Stewart Elmore 1897 - 1963 aged 66
9. John Alexander Isaac Elmore 1900 - 1970 wed Margaret
10. Elizabeth May Elmore 1902 lived 3 years
11. Olive Margaret Elmore 1904

1. Julia Elmore 1884 - 1955, wed 1902 to Alfred James Bailey, 5 children
2. Jane Elmore 1885 - 1975 wed 1904 to James Blenheim McMaster 1880 #22299, 8 Children
3. James Frederick Elmore 1887 - 1951, born at Wycheproof, wed 1906 #7046, to Mary Ann James 1884 - 1968, daughter of Margaret Harrington and Frederick James, aged 84
8 ChildrenAlice, with son Noel 1. Clive Henry Elmore 1907 lived 3 months
2. Olivia May Elmore 1907 lived 1 month
3. Arthur Henry Elmore 1909 - 1985
4. Eva Margaret Elmore 1912 - 1951
5. Florence Vera Elmore 1915
6. Violet Victoria Elmore 29 Jul 1917
7. Alice Myrtle Elmore 1919
8. James Frederick Elmore 1922-1947
9. Robert Elmore died 1927
6. Violet Victoria Elmore 29 Jul 1917 - 15 Sep 2008 aged 91, wed 11 Jan 1936 to William Atkinson, 7 children, 16 grand children
4. Ellen Elmore 1889 - 1975 wed 1913 to Joseph Wallace
3 Children 1. Gladys May Wallace 1914 #5061 died
2. Jean Mary Wallace 1915 #13989
3. Thelma Joyce Wallace 1917 #19959
5. Marion Elmore 1891 - 1970 #24681 aged 78, wed 1910 #425 to Alexander McNair 1880 #20247 son of Letitia Riley and Robert McNair born in Ballarat, and (2) Smith
1 Child 1. Olive Vera May McNair 1910 #13195
From on Thu, 25 Aug 2005

Marion Elmore married four times, after divorcing Alexander McNair in 1920
she then married Ernest Kelly in 1921, he drowned in 1948 in a duck shooting accident (I guess you could say the ducks won that round).
She then married James Pullin in 1949, he died in 1964.
She then married Joseph Smith in 1968, she loved looking after people.

James Frederick Elmore 1887-1951 & Mary Ann James 1884-1968, also had another son also named James Frederick Elmore 1922-1947. He was a prisoner of war and died at Ambon South East Asia, Indonesia on the 23 March 1947 and is buried at the Ambon War Cemetery,


Other Elmores

Mary Ann Elmore married 1857 #2919 to Hugh McAuley.

Patrick Elmore and Margaret Flemming recorded the birth of Margaret 1860 in Cast - could be Casterton? or Castlemain?

George Elmore and Mary Ann Sleep appear to have lived in Victoria between 1859 and 1866, at Springhurst, Beechworth and Bowmans Forest.
3 children   1. Elvina Elmore 1860 at Springhurst
2. John Philip Elmore 1862 lived 2 years
3. Mary Ann Elmore 1864 lived 9 months
George Elmore and Catherine Goodwill Morris registered the birth of Emily Georgina Elmer 1874 at Melbourne South.

Alfred Elmore 1863 - 1892 #6666, aged 29, died at Heidelberg Hospital. His parents were Thomas and Elizabeth Wood.

Frederick Samuel Montague Elmore 1855 - 1930 aged 75 and Louisa Rohr 1851 - 1927 aged 76, daughter of Anna Dorothea and John Samuel Rohr, appear to have come to Victoria about 1905, with their children born in the homeland.
8 children   1. Lydia Louisa Elmore 1873 - 1947 died at F'roy
2. Samuel Montague Mars Elmore 1874 - 1935, died at Hamilton
3. Edith Ann Dorothy Elmore 1876 - 1952 aged 76, died at Hton
4. Ernt Theophilus Scot Elmore 1878 - 1950 aged 72
5. Charles Cloudesley Elmore 1880 - 1959 aged 79
6. Algernon John Elmore 1882 - 1961 aged 79
7. Septimus Elmore 1884 - 1969 aged 85
8. Frederick Elmore 1886 - 1957 aged 71

3. Edith Ann Dorothy Elmore 1876 - 1952 aged 76, wed 1907 to James Duncan McIntyre
2 children 1. Marian Eila McIntyre 1908 - 1976, wed Elmore
2. Neil Malcolm Flinders McIntyre 1911 - 1933, died at Ballarat

4. Ernnt Theophilus Scot Elmore 1878 - 1950, who was born at Portland , wed 1910 #300, to Annie Elizabeth Murie 1885 - 1917, who died possibly with her 4th child.
Ernnt Theophilus Scot Elmore (2) wed 1919 to Ellen Editha Dudeney 1872 - 1944,
3 children   1. Edith Mervynne Elmore 1911
2. Ralph Theopholus Elmore 1912
3. Lionel Kenneth Murie Elmore 1915
5. Charles Cloudesley Elmore 1880 - 1959 aged 79, wed 1912 to Emily Ruth Cottingham, 1881 - 1965,
3 children   1. Harold Lawrence Elmore 1913
2. Herbert Frank Elmore 1915
3. Stanley Raymond Charles Elmore 1917

6. Algernon John Elmore 1882 - 1961 aged 79, wed 1913 to Fanny Louisa Hunter 1874 - 1946, daughter of Emma Louisa Peers and Henry William Hunter
1 Son   1. Jack Elmore 1914

8. Frederick Elmore 1886 - 1957 aged 71, wed 1912 to Violet Mary Parker 1888 - 1939, daughter of Isabella Chamberlain wed 1886 #6473 to Charles Parker.
2 children   1. Enid Adelia Elmore 1915
2. Henry Elmore 1918


Cutler

The Lucibelle came May 1868 with two surnames from West Winck - Elmar and Cuttler. Both surnames were varied in Victoria, James Elmar aged 23 became Elmore
Abraham Cuttler aged 31, Lydia Cuttler aged 26, Amnie Cuttler aged 10, Georgiania Cuttler aged 7, Elizabeth Cuttler aged 5, infant Cuttler all became Cutler

Abraham Cutler Christening: 06 OCT 1833 at Foundling Hospital Church Of England, Saint Pancras, London, England (extracted birth entry) Abraham Cuttler/Cutler wed Sep quarter 1857 to Lydia Laws in Freebridge Lynn district, Vol 4b, page 561, in the county of Norfolk, came to Victoria, Australia, and lived at Carngham to c1880 then Ballarat

10 children  1. Amnie Cuttler aged 10
2. Georgiania Cuttler aged 7, c1861
3. Elizabeth Cuttler aged 5
4. Cuttler infant
5. Martha Cutler 1869 #7357
6. John Cutler 1871 #21970
7. Gertrude Cutler 1874 #14412
8. Ernest Edward Cutler 1877 #1320
9. Laura Mary Cutler 1881 #303
10. Lydia Cutler 1884 #396 - 1884 #225 lived 7 days
2. Georgina Cutler c1861 wed 1881 #4882 to Patrick Bourke and lived at Sago
Children's surnames spelled as shown
Georgina Burke 1862 - 1942 #30475 aged 80 died at Smythesdale, daughter of Abraham Cuttler
4 children  1. Thomas George Burke 1882 #18661
2. Twin Arthur Patrick Bourke 1885 #13244
3. Twin William Edward Bourke 1885 #13245
4. Winifred Lydia Burke 1887 #20222
3. Elizabeth Cutler c1863 wed 1882 #2794 to David Macintosh and lived at Ballarat
4 children  1. Percy Mcintosh 1882 #20683
2. Ida Jane Mcintosh 1884 #22043
3. Charles Ernest Mcintosh 1886 #7789
4. Stella Mcintosh 1888 #8357


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