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Name (optional) : Onyeolu
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : sail on guyman jah rules the world and HE has the final say
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : from your web site it can be said you are pretty much against donation .....idealistically...would you like to see it stopped...
Comment (second 35 words) : if so what is your solution to providing people with treatment of end organ failure. i would love to she your proposals instead of being a backseat complainer.
Comment (third 35 words) : you are quick to say how you think donation is wrong, but you do not provide any alternative to the way it is beng done at present
Name (optional) : norm
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : Actually, the David Hookes Foundation claims 46% of relatives in Australia are now stopping harvesting of their near-death next of kin.
Comment (second 35 words) : This gives more ammunition to the harvesting and transplant industry to push for presumed consent, that is, to ignore relatives wishes and the injured persons wishes unless...
Comment (third 35 words) : the injured or dying person has remembered to sign a no harvesting government form. The transplant industry has quite another agenda. They dont want to rely on donation.
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : ignorance is bliss aint it?...Life must be good for you norm...
Comment (second 35 words) : thankyou to the David Hookes foundation for doing what the Govt doesnt seem to be able to do...putting donation in everyones face
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Name (optional) : norm
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : Living prisoner donors. They are shot, but not killed. Organs are removed. Run by Chinese government. Disease checks and tissue matching done.
Comment (second 35 words) : Done through brokers in Asia. Short waiting list. Very expensive. It is a profit making exercise by Chinese government. This is another side of organ transplanting. Organ donation is punishment.
Comment (third 35 words) : Put GROWING TRADE AND ULTIMATE VIOLATION into google.com and you should get the sites that contain the US Congressional report. Also try http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/biotech/organswatch/
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : are you saying the prisoners are non heart beating donors or living donors...you do not make you point clear.
Comment (second 35 words) : these types of donors are VERY high risk Can u send a like o the reference as i am having difficulty linking to it.
Comment (third 35 words) : how are suggesting this process happens as the recipient would have to register with a surgeon....be worked up for the OR etc Financially how are you suggesting it works?
Name (optional) : Norm
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : This is the report: THE COMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS,HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, United States Congress U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE WASHINGTON : 73452PS2001 ORGANS FOR SALE: CHINAS GROWING TRADE AND ULTIMATE VIOLATION
Comment (second 35 words) : OF PRISONERS RIGHTS. HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL OPERATIONS AND HUMAN RIGHTS OF THE COMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED SEVENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION JUNE 27, 2001 Serial No. 10729
Comment (third 35 words) : Japanese, Americans and other nationalities go to China for transplants from harvested prisoners. Whether the Japanese government recognises brain death or not has no effect on individuals decision to purchase organs in China.
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : Americans and Japanese go to China. Are you suggesting they fly the organ in or the patient... if you mean the organ it would not last the flight time from japan to be viable for a recipient by the time it arrived
Comment (second 35 words) : Japan has only recently recognised brain death so dibelieve your statement. As they would not procure organs unless from non heart beating donor.
Comment (third 35 words) : Give the refence to this story you are referncing to!!!!
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : Australia was caught bringing in Japanese for liver transplants. do you mean as a recipient or as a donor...if they are recipients what is your beef with that??
Comment (second 35 words) : Israel goes to Turkey these are not leading medical countries....which doesnt excuse the behaviour, i dont agree with many cultural practices of places in the world, are you or i to say if this is OK or not
Comment (third 35 words) : USA there is a movement to allow organs to be sold. This statement you have taken out if its context!! It would prey on the poor and vulnerable. do you think poor people have the inability to speak for themselves and say NO if they dont want to donate
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : Behind the organ donation scene in USA there is a movement to allow organs to be sold - this being an incentive for more donation It would prey on the poor and vulnerable.
Comment (second 35 words) : In Australia there is a movement pushing for the government to assume the right to harvest heart beating donors unless the person objects to this in writing while fit and healthy.
Comment (third 35 words) : This is in response to increasing objections to harvesting by relatives. So behind all the gift of life and donation rhetoric a whole new attitude is developing.
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : The Queensland govt in Australia was caught bringing in Japanese for liver transplants - the minister claimed we have surplus livers.
Comment (second 35 words) : leading medical countries as you put it tend to buy rather than sell. Americans and Japanese go to China to get organs where organ donation is punishment for crimes.
Comment (third 35 words) : Israel goes to Turkey where kidneys are bought from Moldavians. Internationally, the scene is invariably the richer people getting organs from poorer people.
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : norm...you are trying to compare too many different situations i do not agree personally in selling organs
Comment (second 35 words) : but you compare vey diferent political areas...which also have cultural diferences.
Comment (third 35 words) : all of the leading medical countries DO NOT involve themselves in the selling of organs.
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : Glynn, just because you needed a transplant to survive it doesnt mean there arent other issues.
Comment (second 35 words) : There is a blurry line between organ donation and organ selling. The organ transplant industry worldwide is increasingly pressuring governments to assume ownership of citizens organs - forget the donation.
Comment (third 35 words) : When donations drop the industry, on behalf of patients, exploits desperate and poor people around the world. e.g. Israel in Moldavia and Turkey
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : I was absolutely appalled by your book The Nasty Side of Organ Transplanting. I think if you were ever on your death bed, was on oxygen for several years, couldnt walk two metres without huffing and puffing, fainted all the time and had any idea of what p
Comment (second 35 words) : fainted all the time and had any idea of what people who need transplants go through, youd realise that transplantation can improve the quality of life for many ill people. The hospitals that do transplants inform potential recipents of the side effects o
Comment (third 35 words) : recipents of the side effects of the drugs etc, but I tell you what Id rather be still living with those side effects than be dead.
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : I thought I would chime in here..I am 29 years old. I have been on oxygen 13 almost 14 years, malpractice caused me to be extremely ill, and now I am in need of a heart/lung transplant.drives you and fuels your great energy on this subject. I would be hap
Comment (second 35 words) : I have been waiting since 6/21/03, it is my opinion that we all are not wanting a transplant, but need one to live, we are not vultures waiting for people to die. Also, the organs clearly must be offered
Comment (third 35 words) : by family or the donors wishes to give th GIFT of life. Why are you so hell bent on tainting this miracle for people who are selflessly giving there precious organs so that others may live on and honor them. Have you lost a loved one and felt that they we
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : I thought I would chime in here..I am 29 years old. I have been on oxygen 13 almost 14 years, malpractice caused me to be extremely ill, and now I am in need of a heart/lung transplant. I have been waiting since 6/21/03, it is my opinion that we all are n
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Name (optional) : New Engine
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : I am 5 mo-post heart/lung. I have done extensive research before my tx. Alot of what is on here is crap.
Comment (second 35 words) : Its uneducated, uncaring and most of the info is from statistical info, not true accounts. Where are the true accounts?
Comment (third 35 words) : Is the author a tx recipient himself? Does he know of a tx recipient/ family member? If he was, he would know that transplants are not a cure but an extension of life from a caring stranger.
Name (optional) : sarah
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : i read from the guest book entry from last year someone sounded very educated on the matter when you were talking about donation when people arent dead
Comment (second 35 words) : and they recover the organs after the person has died
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Name (optional) : norm
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : What factual account are you referring to, Sarah?
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : Norm.why is it, from reading your emails...when presented with a factual account of what happens in the life of organ recovery or harvesting as you continue to call it
Comment (second 35 words) : why is it you have the inablilty to be open minded about the process and dismiss the points and accounts that people with experience are explaining.
Comment (third 35 words) : It seems like you have a desire to put people off donation and dont wish to hear anything to the contrary. How much time have you spent with people observing a harvest
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : Paul, you say, ...my centre does not and will not kill anyone for organs...
Comment (second 35 words) : Would you name your centre so we may investigate both its policy and its protocols?
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Name (optional) : Paul
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : Your country may make it a habit of killing people for their organs but my center does not and will not KILL any one for organs.Its books like this that make it hard to have organs donated by peopel.
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Name (optional) : clint
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : i dont think that familys need to be told about every single detail..... TOO MUCH INFOMATION..!!!
Comment (second 35 words) : as you said you may have agreed to an operation ot taken medication not knowing the full extent to what could happen...so should you be told everything as a living patient
Comment (third 35 words) : with a donor you can count on 1 thing for sure....DEATH...does it matter as i said how quick it comes as long as there is no pain or suffering.
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : No, Clint, I do not know every detail of hospital or drug treatment. Hardly any, actually.
Comment (second 35 words) : But would the use of drugs on potential donors that hasten death and have no therapeutic value be of sufficient importance for the donor card signer to be informed of prior to signing of the card?
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Name (optional) : clint
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : i think people sign the donor card with the intent of helping others. Do you know all the things they do to you for a normal operation in the hospital
Comment (second 35 words) : i bet they dont tell you EVERY detail....and the potential drugs you have or EVERY tiny thing that can go wrong
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : Perhaps, Clint, but these donors will have signed cards in the expectation that only therapeutic drugs will be used prior to death.
Comment (second 35 words) : If harvesters use drugs that hasten death then the donor cards should explicitly state this...and would this not cause an uproar?
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : you say that Regitine and Heparin - Drugs That Protect Harvestable Organs But May Speed-Up Donor Patient Death
Comment (second 35 words) : but if they are going to die anyway does it matter how fast it is ?? better quick than slow surely!!!
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Name (optional) : Kumaris Ananda
Address (optional) : diaspora
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : Put clint hallam hand transplant into google.com and get the goods.
Comment (second 35 words) : Go for English hands and arms. If they turn frail and white like Clint Hallams then at least you can excuse them by saying, theyre English hands and people will understand
Comment (third 35 words) : Clint ordered doctors to saw his transplanted hand off. NBG, he said. NBG = no bloody good.
Name (optional) : Eswar Kumar
Address (optional) : India
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : hello friends of organ transplantaion,Iam male 24 ,India,lost my two hands and right leg in accident.I wanna contact hands transplantation patient seniors. 91-8671-252748
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Name (optional) : Katie
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : Organ Donation saves lives! I wouldnt be alive if it wasnt for my bilateral lung transplant in 1994!
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Name (optional) : Norm
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : Coimbras study says the apnoea brain death test may cause brain death as much as determine it. Doctors may, therefore, be consciously or unconsciously harming the patient.
Comment (second 35 words) : Yes, to your rhetorical question. Also, since brain death has not been absolutely proven the onus is on the harvesters to prove it has occurred. Usually, it is determined via simple reflex tests and less commonly the apnoea test.
Comment (third 35 words) : Bone and skin transplanting using really dead bodies is useful. Heart transplants, on the other hand, dont on average extend patients lives. See Mario Dengs study.
Name (optional) : PJM
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : Norm: Are suggesting that physicians deliberately asphyxiate patients to ensure brain death for organ retrieval? If so who and where?
Comment (second 35 words) : Or are you saying that retrieval goes ahead in some (many?) life-supported patients who would not be declared brain dead in the OPINION of a few dissenting physicians?
Comment (third 35 words) : Do you disagree with the concept of transplantation per se? Do you believe transplantation makes a difference (harvest issues aside)?
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : This is not an organ selling site, marie-christine vincent. You might want to try www.organkeeper.com
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Name (optional) : marie-christine vincent
Address (optional) : 2209 prudhomme no. 5 montreal (QC)
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : I would be glad to sell one of my kydneys, for a high price, of course. I am not a poor from India, I just want to help an individual. I am 40 years old, smoker, but healthy. I live in Montreal, Canada. If I could help someone, let me know. Thank
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Name (optional) : sun kawawa
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : I DON DE HERE OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUGU SUNNY KAWAWA
Comment (second 35 words) : I DON DEHERE OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUGU SUNNY KAWAWA
Comment (third 35 words) : I DON D EHRE OOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUGU SUNNY KAWAWA
Name (optional) : Rosemary
Address (optional) : Mildura, Victoria
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : It is about time someone had enough backbone to print the nasty side of organ donation. I have been involved in a professional way, and as a result would never donate my organs or accept an organ from anyone.
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Name (optional) : Norm Barber
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : Thank you for your comments, Sam. To answer your question about the origin of my attitudes: I have not had any experience, directly or indirectly, with harvesting or organ receiving.
Comment (second 35 words) : My interest began when I discovered that organ harvesting starts while the donors hearts are still beating. This made me realise how one-sided my beliefs on donation were:
Comment (third 35 words) : all the organ donation advertising had kept this fact from the public. It seemed deliberate. So from there I began focusing on generally unknown aspects of transplanting.
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : ...in no way was i saying you were an arse....(hope you understood the analogy)
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : OOoopsss excuse spelling mistakes its been a long day!!! What is it that makes you so against donation...was it an article you read or a personal experience...
Comment (second 35 words) : as i believe even is you saw the other side of the coin and were presentied articles etc...to say that its the best thing since sliced bread
Comment (third 35 words) : you would not belive that...even though you believe 100% in the articles presenting donation as a traumatic horrible thing.
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : Norm .. iwould like to tahank you for this short lived email relationship...you have actually helped me learn a LOT about NHBD through this and i am now a more educated individual
Comment (second 35 words) : and hope one day i can help another person live after i am pushing up daisies. Rather then my organs sit in a bottle at the coroners office or rot in the ground.
Comment (third 35 words) : i commend you for your belief as i believe excuse the punn...opinions are like arses....we all have one!! before i go thought i have a burning question i hope you would answer
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : People are learning, Connie Coupon. If you just lay out your opinion to someone, then let it rest, their mind can follow it up - or not.
Comment (second 35 words) : The increased desperation of the transplant industry for more bodies will probably be their downfall; they will attempt to weaken laws that sanctify a persons ownership of their body.
Comment (third 35 words) : The public will react and is already becoming more hostile to requests from harvesters to allow organ harvesting from patients whose hearts are still beating.
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : everytime I bring up the truth my world becomes (well lets not go there) Hey is there anyone who feels that the system sucks? and people that are not dead are killed?
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : seems that this world will remain (california anyway)ignorant to the truth. It sucks that people have to die because a teaching hospital needs to teach the how to harvest. Seems cold, but for the MD/hospital/----organazation it is pure profit...
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Name (optional) : Kim Vilov
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Name (optional) : Norm Barber
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : Since the NHBOD (Non heart beating organ donor) needs to be harvested within an hour or two of death the decision to harvest will have been made long before the patient dies.
Comment (second 35 words) : Probably some time before ventilation or other treatment is withdrawn: this being to give the harvest team plenty of time to prepare.
Comment (third 35 words) : This means, probably, that the harvest decision is made before family is asked to allow removal of ventilation, etc. Thus, the harvest decision is made while the patient is neither brain or cardiac dead. True or false.
Name (optional) : Norm
Address (optional) : Adelaide (Kensington Park)
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : What I meant with the comment you query is that all it takes for a NHBOD process to happen is the acquiesence of next of kin, and that the donor may have never agreed to be a donor.
Comment (second 35 words) : This situation also encompassing the fact that the NHBOD will have neither been declared brain dead nor cardiac dead prior to the decision to proceed with excission of his/her organs.
Comment (third 35 words) : I know you dont agree with this summation and I will explain in the next message. (above)
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Comment (holds up to 35 words) : Your inference of distain, or even disdain, from myself, is unfounded. I was trying to sum up what I understand the NHBOD process to be - from a critical point of view.
Comment (second 35 words) : My language expression can always be improved so that might have created the wrong impression.
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