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janiepop: ahhh
there you are
janiepop: I was put into pagan 2
janiepop: lol
eternumpace: yeah. so was I
janiepop: the poor folks there musta thought I'd
flipped
janiepop: I was aksing them was it you by another
name lol
eternumpace: i was there, but ciara seemed afk
janiepop: I don't know if I got an answer
janiepop: lol
eternumpace: i wouldn't really mind cc all that much
if it weren't for that sleuth fellow. he creeps me out.
eternumpace: big time
janiepop: does he
janiepop: what is it about him
eternumpace: he is creepy
janiepop: that creeps you out
janiepop: creepy ?
janiepop: anyone who is obvious doesn't creep me
out
eternumpace: i'm not sure. the way he talks to
people. just a feeling i get. i don't think he is a bad person.
eternumpace: disengenuous
eternumpace: reminds me of other sociopaths i have
met in my travels
janiepop: sure
janiepop: he likes to rule the roost
eternumpace: very much so
janiepop: I trust your judgement
janiepop: he wouldn't like you
eternumpace: he doesn't lol
eternumpace: and i'm glad
janiepop: he would find you wat too challenging
janiepop: way
janiepop: and you are male
eternumpace: thank you for your vote of confidence.
that makes me feel much
better
janiepop: that would be pretty scary
janiepop: he can dismiss women
janiepop: but sensible articulate men ...woowwo
eternumpace: omg that scares me so much for
some reason, almost irrationally so
janiepop: he can't say anything crude to put you
off
eternumpace: reminds me of my father
janiepop: o no
eternumpace: lol o yes
janiepop: he puts women off easily
janiepop: he just degrades them
eternumpace: you seem to have a pretty good take on
him. that shouldn't be surprisng i suppose
janiepop: sexually usually
eternumpace: he is an interesting case i suppose
*grin
janiepop: he is a case for sure
janiepop: but the problem is this
janiepop: he's pretty knowledgeable
janiepop: and when he's making sense
janiepop: he's making sense lol
janiepop: and I'm a sucker for sense
janiepop: lol
eternumpace: mmm. yes.
eternumpace: that is why i am so familiar with that.
a carbon copy of my father
janiepop: especially when it comes to God
perspectives
eternumpace: you learn not to argue self evident
truth
eternumpace: is that not typical of social pathology
though?
janiepop: babe can I borrow that line
janiepop: what a gem
eternumpace: it is actually a type of rhetoric i
have named for that reason. i call it contradition
janiepop: you learn not to argue self evident
truth
janiepop: I love it
janiepop: yes chicken it all comes from the
..........
eternumpace: contradition is simply supporting an
emotional falsity with truth
janiepop: fill in the dots lol
janiepop: all the rhetoric comes from the
..........
janiepop: and not the ...........
eternumpace: contradition is a form of irony
eternumpace: imo
janiepop: I quite agree
eternumpace: and irony fits my liberal perspective
of pathology which is anything or process emblematic of the spirit of nature
janiepop: I know sleuth now
eternumpace: haha
janiepop: he does respind to humour
eternumpace: yes. i have noticed that too
eternumpace: at times
eternumpace: others it disappears like a dress on
prom night
eternumpace: of course, i didn't go to my
prom so that is an entirely figurative analogy
janiepop: ooooo
janiepop: I like it
janiepop: never heard that expression
eternumpace: i received some free eckankar stuff in
the mail. it's pretty neat. but that is probably as much as I want to get
involved with it for now
janiepop: I told sleuth yesterday ......liberals
have limits
janiepop: and I have reached mine lol
janiepop: I think I've got that addictive
thingggy
janiepop: when you can't stop doing something
like gambling
janiepop: your brain does an incorrect mental
calcluation of the odds
eternumpace: at times when i have made simply point
of reference to his compete lack of humility, he has completely lost the mask. next
time i should tell him that i will pray to the holy governor of Utah for his
dearly departed sense of humour
janiepop: lol
eternumpace: janie, are you talking about a
"compulsion"?
janiepop: yes the compulsion to retun to CC
eternumpace: fight it *
janiepop: to see if it will be better this time
lol
eternumpace: don't go to the dark side
eternumpace: "the dark side clouds
everything" yoda
eternumpace: how is your husband?
janiepop: it's ok I heavily identify with the
jedi
eternumpace: that's good :-)
janiepop: my husband is ok
eternumpace: good good
janiepop: he gave his own blood yesterday
eternumpace: my husband is ok, too
eternumpace: ah. givin some back. that reminds me. i
should do that soon
eternumpace: i had to wait a year or so after my
tattoo
janiepop: this is fro his surgery
janiepop: yes sure
eternumpace: you wouldn't believe how beautiful it
is where i am right now, janie
janiepop: tell me about it ..in greatdetail
eternumpace: well, i don't have a lot to do in my life
but what i do occupy myself with i really enjoy. these days, i walk to the
local university and hack in to the computer and sit down and today i look out
the window at the campus the distant summit of mt. baker trees, clouds and a
lone bald eagle circling overhead in hte distance
eternumpace: i love this place. i have quite taken
to the appreciation of beauty in my late years hehe
janiepop: glorious
janiepop: me too re nature
eternumpace: and i am feeling esp. exhuberent today
because i halved my medication to the lowest dosage and now i don't feel so
groggy
eternumpace: yes. nature is always there when you
need her
janiepop: thanks be
janiepop: re dose
janiepop: may I ask what are you taking re meds
eternumpace: sure. 25 mg zoloft for depression
janiepop: ok
eternumpace: it is working well
janiepop: great
eternumpace: i was wondering
janiepop: anything else ?
eternumpace: my shrink would not comment on
this (probably fo rmy own benefit) but i will ask you
eternumpace: no, no other meds
janiepop: go for it
janiepop: ask away if I know the a I will say lol
eternumpace: the front of head and or brain has
always (since childhood) had an adverse reaction to oblique angles and architectural
ements in my field of vision
eternumpace: elements
eternumpace: my question to my doctor was whether
this was somatic or whethere it was cognitive or whether it was brain damage
from birth
eternumpace: hello, janiepop. how things today in your
neck of the woods?
janiepop: ok
and you
janiepop: where are ya hun
janiepop: come to CC for some stooopid conversation ...not
eternumpace: no thank you. don't feel like it today. I am in
canada. its a good day here.
janiepop: howdy
janiepop: time for a chat
janiepop: ?
eternumpace: i'm in pagan chat all by my lonesome.
janiepop: I'll come there
janiepop: if you like
janiepop: or here
eternumpace: that would be good. yes.
janiepop: your call
janiepop: ok see you soon
eternumpace: hey
eternumpace: pick up the phone
janiepop: are you floating ?
eternumpace: yes. i guess
janiepop: you are still up here on the listbut not in the room ?
janiepop: I am sorry that I don't know the answer to your
question
eternumpace: yeah. i lost the room for some reason
janiepop: would it be easier somehow if you knew the answer or
at least an hypothesis
eternumpace: yes. my GP mentioned possible brain damage then got all shy about
it when i asked him later, so I suppose he was deferring to mental health
eternumpace: an earlier shrink i had said it was a clear indication of
schizophrenia but what does that really mean i wonder
janiepop: what do you think you have mate ?
janiepop: mate being a term of endearment
eternumpace: i think its brain damage and that some cognitive function has
responded to it and that i have a sense of social avoidance fostered by my
parents emotional problems, no the least of which be alcholism which might be
interpreted as schizophrenia since so many things can be.
janiepop: well hun you could very well be right and probably are
eternumpace: and that even if i do have schizophrenia, the depression aside, i
would tend to side with the humanist perspective that, rather than being a form
of insanity, schizphrenia, at least in my case, is a kind of manic or
hypersanity
eternumpace: i don't really believe that anyone who has ever really known me
would say that i have ever been delusional, at least, not any more than anyone
else lol
eternumpace: well, i respect yoru opinion a lot. ty
janiepop: hun I am in no postion to tell ......what they label
you is irrelevant to me and how we chat
janiepop: you seem like a wonderful kind funny smart and
sensitive young man to me
eternumpace: i'm not so worried about the labels either, not anymore. if
anything i think they are positive additions to my burgeoning self awareness
janiepop: labels are useful
eternumpace: well, i do so appreciate your poisitive affirmations of me. it
makes chatting all the worth while since i spend so much time by myself
janiepop: heh can I help it if I can cut throug the crap of
diagnostic systems
janiepop: that having been said
janiepop: the newer formulations talk about groupings of
illnesses
eternumpace: groupings? please explain...
janiepop: and that the lables are a bit artificial
eternumpace: from what i have read, that is certainly true of schizophrenia
which may even fit into the category of homeostasis? ha, that is my new medical
term
janiepop: take a different example
janiepop: lets take ADD
eternumpace: ok...
janiepop: no lets take ADHD
janiepop: attention deficit hyperactivity disorder
janiepop: the only real reason for making a diagnosis
janiepop: ...is to formulate treatment
eternumpace: i see
janiepop: ok ?
janiepop: and in all honesty patients want to have a label
eternumpace: mmm. interesint. almost like the reason for learning any word game
or language is to manipulate will and idea, to use a lil shopenhauer
janiepop: they want to call what they exprience something
janiepop: ok so patients are usually happier with soem kind of
label
janiepop: that is especially true when it comes to a physical
disease
eternumpace: so we, as "health care professionals" are dabbling in
the elementary and local (or customary) notions of universal consciousness
(mental, emotional, spiritiual,physical) knowing
janiepop: but much less true in mental illness
eternumpace: i follow you
janiepop: ok because the labels that relate to mental illness
are so value laden
janiepop: ok
eternumpace: in a sense then, psychiatry, or any health care science, is a
kindof religion
eternumpace: i read you. value laden. i understand
janiepop: so you wouldn't be worried about being diagnosed with
apendicitis
janiepop: it has no value
janiepop: no negative value
eternumpace: no negative value to self image
janiepop: unless your the poor mug in pain and throwing up lol
janiepop: that's right no challenge to the self image
janiepop: and it's the challenge to the self image that comes
from the external
eternumpace: conversely, or i suppose perversely, any challenge to self image
(as mental health diagnoses may by) may be seen as exigent themselves of mental
health, for precisely the same reason, like a big question only the soul can
answer with its dialogue with spirit
janiepop: quite so
eternumpace: so, in other words, they should be paying us!
janiepop: yes
janiepop: yes
janiepop: and yes
eternumpace: lol
janiepop: we should be having the two experts dialogue maybe ?
janiepop: we do it in physical health
eternumpace: what do you mean?
janiepop: why not in mental health
janiepop: well if I have diabetes fro example
janiepop: you will need to manage your own care largely
janiepop: so you need to know as much as you can
janiepop: to keep well
janiepop: you become an expert inyoru diabetes
eternumpace: ah. yes. i see what you mean
janiepop: BUT
janiepop: you can't become an expert overnight agreed
janiepop: ?
eternumpace: agreed
janiepop: if you suddenly turn up in a hyperglycemic coma you
need me to be the expert first
eternumpace: although i must say you have educated me quite a bit
eternumpace: i follow you
janiepop: ok so as a health pro I will take care of you at the
beginning
janiepop: till you learn to manage for yourself
janiepop: you can adjust your dose
janiepop: you can come to me with your thoughts about what is
happening
janiepop: I can introduce to you to some options for care
janiepop: we can discuss them
janiepop: etc
eternumpace: so the expert becomes more of a facilitator
janiepop: yes in the two expert model they are a facilitator
janiepop: but here is the trick
janiepop: they can't all do it lol
eternumpace: i have a trick to introduce as well, maybe it is the same one
janiepop: go
janiepop: for it mate
eternumpace: yes. i was watching a lecture on video by ph.D Joseph Campbell on
the nature of "education"
janiepop: tell me about it
eternumpace: He pointed out that in all learning, it matters not so much to
have all the available info (that is easy) what is pivotal, however, is the
connection or encounter with the Self which can only happen if the teacher has
"character"
janiepop: same trick ..more elegantly put bu JC
janiepop: he is calling it charcter
janiepop: I am saying they don't all have the ability
eternumpace: what do you call it, human expertise?
eternumpace: ah. yes.
janiepop: I call it
janiepop: I call it
janiepop: LOVE
eternumpace: that's a good one. did you just make that up? lol
eternumpace: i agree
janiepop: I did just then as we were evoloving
janiepop: some professionals are
janiepop: technicians
janiepop: soem
janiepop: are
janiepop: healers
janiepop: they have the same qualifications
janiepop: that's another trick
eternumpace: my god. i totally recognize that disntinction, with me moreso in
the university system
janiepop: it's the same everywhere an anywhere
eternumpace: masters and mechanists
janiepop: it's where the 'professionals' part company
eternumpace: mechanists tend to be cynics as well
janiepop: they do
janiepop: some try quite hard to 'get it '
eternumpace: and they breed as much fear as information
janiepop: they kinds recognise it at some level
janiepop: and they HATE the people who have it
janiepop: they have no idea what they are even reacting against
eternumpace: i suppose it is all a question of belief, how in their own worlds,
they describe the world to themselves
janiepop: well schizophrenia is called a disorder of belief
eternumpace: yes. i know that feeling. that sudden belligerence aimed it seems
a no one in particular like some wild beast slouching t'war bethlehem, to be
born. hehe
janiepop: that is pure poetry
eternumpace: well, i borrowed that from browning
janiepop: robert ?
eternumpace: yes
eternumpace: i'm trying to remember the title
eternumpace: it was also used in the movie, NIxon, by Oliver Stone
eternumpace: i highly recommend that film
janiepop: ahhhhhh Oliver
eternumpace: you like him?
janiepop: I remember him talking about a movie I saw
janiepop: Sean Penn ?
eternumpace: oliver stone
janiepop: Sean penn was in it
eternumpace: although sean penn is a great director as well
janiepop: can't think
janiepop: mmmm name of the movie
eternumpace: i like all of sean penn's stuff
eternumpace: he is very good
janiepop: me too
janiepop: he's amazing
eternumpace: he was in casualties of war with michael j. fox
eternumpace: and in "The Game" with michael douglas
janiepop: must have a penn fest
janiepop: love micheal d
eternumpace: did you see "Romancing the Stone"?
janiepop: anyway stone said
janiepop: no I didn't see it
eternumpace: good 80's romantic comedy
eternumpace: ok. back to stone/...
janiepop: have a lot of movies to catch up on
janiepop: stone
said .......he doesn't sanitise violence
janiepop: violence should be depcited as it is
janiepop: although people do get freaked about it
janiepop: he says it should be depicted like that ..what say you
janiepop: ?
janiepop: I need a few minutes to do a couple of things
janiepop: if you have the time
eternumpace: yeah. that natural born killers was very apocalyptical. sometimes
violence is ok to me, if it "fits"
eternumpace: ok
eternumpace: i'll be here
janiepop: why
not tell what you have found useful that I have said and that will guide us
eternumpace: ok
eternumpace: 1) i have precious few people in my life with whom to speak openly
and compassionately of the darker regions of my being. and for your company I
am very grateful.
eternumpace: 2) health care professionals work well in the same capacity as
they are well and not all are "well" in that way we as a consensus
reality, agree is right and just to aspire to
eternumpace: 3) labels or diagnoses are more good than bad
eternumpace: 4) many if not most mental health diagnoses are, in fact, systems
or groups of ailments
janiepop: HD
eternumpace: 5) absolutely healing is never ever fully achieved within a linear
time frame but can reached successfully through belief, faith, and love
janiepop: university medalist in the making lol
janiepop: what course are you studying
janiepop: ?
eternumpace: i am not studying anything officially if that's what you mean. i
am not a student here.
janiepop: ok
eternumpace: what does the word "vouchsafe" mean?
janiepop: thought yoi might be studying
janiepop: ask me a hard one lol
janiepop: I should know that
eternumpace: it just occured to me
eternumpace: i might be able to look it up on here. just a sec
janiepop:
now I want to know a few
things
janiepop: this
is the important part of the story
janiepop: how much of your life has been taken up with getting a
diagnosis etc
eternumpace: shoot
janiepop: as above
janiepop: a diagnosis and treatment I should say
eternumpace: i would say actively since about 1998
janiepop: ok
janiepop: and are you mmmmm satisfied with that process now
eternumpace: or even 1993 when i suddenly dropped out of university (where i
was studying physics and math on scholarship) and came home
janiepop: ok how old were you then ?
eternumpace: 19
janiepop: ok
janiepop: so 27 now
janiepop: about
janiepop: on a scale of 1 to 10
janiepop: 10 being best
eternumpace: i would say I am fairly satisfied with the process. (yes, 28
actually). However, I would love to have someone to talk to more often
janiepop: best you've ever felt being 10
eternumpace: 7
janiepop: ok
eternumpace: overall. but just by sheer hopefullness of living the life I was
meant to live a 10
janiepop: and you will
janiepop: in fact
janiepop: you will live 10+
eternumpace: that is nicely optimistic
janiepop: that's me
eternumpace: i suppose you are a rather positive gal at that
janiepop: I am
janiepop: done me good all my life
janiepop: and I have had some pretty big stuff to face
eternumpace: "only the positive is real". i read that somewhere
janiepop: but let me not distract us
janiepop: sure as heck feels like the -ve gets pretty real too
lol
eternumpace: and of course, some people can misinterpret that statement as a
condemnaton of the imaginative faculties. what awful irony lol
janiepop: but dear heart in lots of instances it is a choice
janiepop: ok so we have established this
janiepop: you are very psoitive naturally
janiepop: very smart
janiepop: IQ wise EQ wise and SQ wise
janiepop: a winning formula
janiepop: you ahve integrity
eternumpace: what is SQ?
janiepop: spiritual quotinet
eternumpace: oh. that
janiepop: quotient
eternumpace: that's good
eternumpace: i like this positive affirmation stuff
janiepop: it's when IQ aAND EQ are present
janiepop: this leads to SQ
janiepop: the stuff in bewteen
janiepop: now back to ADHD
janiepop: for amoment
eternumpace: ok. i'm listening
janiepop: I worked on a prject
janiepop: two young docs
janiepop: up an coming in their fields
janiepop: I was their reserach assistant
eternumpace: ok
janiepop: meetings were murder
janiepop: till I got an iamge
janiepop: of what was going on
janiepop: two stags locking horns
eternumpace: aha
janiepop: and fighting over the one small piece of territory
janiepop: that territory was the questionnaire we were
developing
eternumpace: ok
janiepop: the problem was this ....
janiepop: they had polarised views of what ADHD was
janiepop: one was a biologist
janiepop: the other was a social scientist
janiepop: give or take
eternumpace: interesting
janiepop: the social scientist took the view
janiepop: that once upon a time
janiepop: children with attention probelms
janiepop: would have been prized as the most alert
janiepop: calling everyones attention to the lumbering beast
eternumpace: haha. i like that
janiepop: the biologist took a differnt view
janiepop: one was a paediatician and the other was a paediatric
psychiatrist
janiepop: guess which was which ?
eternumpace: mmm. the social scientist was the pediatrician? i'm not sure
eternumpace: feels like a trick question
janiepop: yes that's right
janiepop: he was the more flexible
eternumpace: ya, ok.
janiepop: the more big picture ...less diagnostic
janiepop: more of the other stuff
janiepop: love and respect etc
janiepop: doing the other bits of the work
janiepop: they hated one another
janiepop: I was in the middle
eternumpace: ugh
janiepop: and I hated Tuesdays
janiepop: so I got my image going
janiepop: and I bought soem Minties
janiepop: and I got onto what I had to do
janiepop: soon after I left ..the two of them had al almight
fight and the prject meetings folded
janiepop: the project was done
janiepop: but they never had contact again
eternumpace: wow
eternumpace: must have been genuinely vitriolic
janiepop: 2 highly intelligent
janiepop: well meaning yound professional men
janiepop: with different views about the value of classification
janiepop: I've
seen a lot of it
janiepop: I have worked with doctors for 40 years on and off
janiepop: and for psychiatrists for 30
janiepop: 20
eternumpace: living in a box, living in a card board box - huey lewis and the
news
janiepop: so I got out
janiepop: and now I work at home for myself
eternumpace: sounds like quite the asylum hehe
janiepop: with good supervision
janiepop: and great educational inputs
eternumpace: you do counselling and consulting right?
janiepop: soemof the best people I have ever met are
psychiatrists
janiepop: and some of the worst have been priests lol
janiepop: yes counselling especiallt grief and loss
janiepop: and couples
eternumpace: yeah. well having new and noteworth "problems" is
somewhat of a fantastical and gothic romantic desire in cult psyche i suppose
janiepop: is it
janiepop: gaaaawwwwwwd never thought of it like that
eternumpace: well, the "schizophrenic" is like the psychiatric
christ, the tragic dionysian
janiepop: do you think they thonk like that ?
eternumpace: the exigent pathology endemic to all self awareness
janiepop: mmmm
eternumpace: no. i don't think they all think like that. it is, however, the
impression i have gleaned at times
janiepop: maybe I've seen very very sick ones
janiepop: lol
janiepop: they are just unwell
eternumpace: sick patients or doctors?
janiepop: very unwell
janiepop: lol
janiepop: patients
janiepop: doctors don't usually have malice of forethough
eternumpace: "malice of forethought" that's a neat phrase
janiepop: they are simply muggles
eternumpace: muggles. that's a good one
janiepop: Harry Potter
eternumpace: i still don't know what vouchsafe means
janiepop: hhahaha
janiepop: wish I did
janiepop: I'll ask tomorrow
janiepop: and let yo know
eternumpace: i sense it is some kind of assurance
eternumpace: i am going to look it up in the online encarta.com
eternumpace: don't you think that what i said, though, about the romantic
thirst for pathogens, is somewhat ironic?
janiepop: ironic ...explain
janiepop: I guess I take mental helath very seriously
eternumpace: there was a time when the only problem was death and it was
celebrated. then we got symbolic reasoning and death became a curse
janiepop: in a light kinda way lol
eternumpace: "it is the knowledge of our fate that kills us" that
sortof thing
eternumpace: so it is in psychiatry that prometheus is everywhere unbound
janiepop: hun it's a bit mythical for this fluffy duck ,,,but
I'll work on it lol
eternumpace: i didn't mean to disrespect your profession though. i know that a
lot of people benefit from psychiatry, me being one of them. i am simple talking
in orders of metaphor
eternumpace: i just think it's all very fascinating
janiepop: so do I
janiepop: what I find incredibly fascinating
janiepop: is when patients come in to hospital
eternumpace: that you have such a creative perspective of mental health after
all your years of encounters is quite telling of your own character
janiepop: and
they are soooo unwell ..and we use thse inadequate ways of labbeling them etc
amd we giev them antipsychotic medication ..and they get better
janiepop: and we spot the early at risk group
janiepop: and they never get to hospital
janiepop: and they hardly skip a beat
eternumpace: that does sound rather magical
janiepop: do I believe its god's will ...nahhhhh
janiepop: we believe in giving god a bit of a hand
eternumpace: recently, i had the good fortune of running into a psychiatric
nurse that had helped treat me when i was in hospital with acute depression
several years back. I was glad to have the opportunity to thank her.
eternumpace: giving god a hand job?
eternumpace: sorry. i couldn't resist
janiepop: lol
janiepop: lol
eternumpace: yes, i am every bit the humanist myself. God is in our actions
eternumpace: you did't fall out of your chair did you?
janiepop: you and I have had a good time here today
janiepop: thanks for the opportunity to trot out how I feel
about all this
janiepop: I am passionate as you can see
eternumpace: yes. i like that
eternumpace: i will be a shame to end such a delightful discourse
janiepop: although mental health has a long way to go .....
janiepop: we have come miles
eternumpace: mental health has gotten a fair shake in cinema wouldn't you say?
janiepop: God is
janiepop: I'm not a lable girl really
janiepop: but pantheist is pretty close to me
janiepop: nope to falling out of chair
eternumpace: yes. i am a pantheist as well. we also call ourselves
existentialists. it sounds neat
eternumpace: oh. you must have a lag
eternumpace: or we have a lag
janiepop: yep
janiepop: thelatest is good
janiepop: as far as the mental health professionals go
janiepop: pantheist they can cope with
eternumpace: why not theratriste instead of therapist?
janiepop: I like it
eternumpace: hahaha
janiepop: can I use it ?
eternumpace: sure. i was looking up the greek therapeai once and could have
sworn it said "to push through a small opening"
janiepop: you are funny
eternumpace: you know, like a tunnel into through the looking glass
eternumpace: although i suppose one could liken the architectural allusion to
the urethera
janiepop: thanks so much for all of that ..it has been treat
eternumpace: instead of pissed off one could be "pissed out"
eternumpace: but i digress
janiepop: bye for now and I will ask about vouchsafe
eternumpace: ok. bye for now. thanks for the chat. i feel a lot better now.
janiepop: I have connections lol
janiepop: in high places
eternumpace: me, low places
eternumpace: vales and hills
janiepop: bye for now
janiepop: it's been grand
eternumpace: take care.
eternumpace: i wandered lonely as a cloud, that floats on high o'er vales and
hills, when all at once, I saw a crowd, a host, of golden daffodils - William
Wordsworth
