shannonruth: the most recent car trouble i had
nyte_walker: so, I will bring the car back once a solution is found
shannonruth: was when a friend drove it into a tree
nyte_walker: yikes
shannonruth: and i had to take the bus for like six months
nyte_walker: my mom had that happen...something went wrong and the car was out of control.
shannonruth: but now i am on top of the world with a toyota 1980
shannonruth: YEAH!!!!!!!!!!
nyte_walker: She drove towards a bank
nyte_walker: and hit a tree
shannonruth: he claimed a blow out
shannonruth: but i wonder
nyte_walker: the car was totaled..but she was unharmed
eternumpace: who wrote the book of love?
nyte_walker: just shaken up
shannonruth: the car totalled
shannonruth: and he was fine
shannonruth: hi eternumpace
nyte_walker: musta been a big car shannon
nyte_walker: hi entern
shannonruth: no
shannonruth: just a guy that takes blows well
eternumpace: hello, people of the world
shannonruth: anyone heard of dna changes?
shannonruth: evolution
eternumpace: i have heard of mental dna
nyte_walker: I saw what her car looked like...very bad...the middle of the hood was smashed and the headlights were dangling out like eyes that popped out
shannonruth: exactly
shannonruth: lol
shannonruth: and i was upset for a sec
nyte_walker: I'm sure it changes/adapts all the time
nyte_walker: DNA that is
eternumpace: you paint quite the picture, nyte_walker
shannonruth: lol
nyte_walker: that's my morbid nature I guess
shannonruth: two to twelve i hear
shannonruth: i am lost here
nyte_walker: with respect to what shannon?
eternumpace: lost in space
nyte_walker: from this background...it does look like I am in space
shannonruth: never mind silly
eternumpace: space,,,the final frontier
nyte_walker: i guess my av is somewhat suited for the background...has that absence of gravity look to it
shannonruth: no the3 final frontier will be concscience
eternumpace: i read that rembrandt was able to maniupulate color and perspective such as to give the viewer, standing at the correct distance from the work, the world's first 3 dimensional portrait
shannonruth: the final fronter will be coming back to where we came from!
shannonruth: any time soon is good for me
eternumpace: yes., i believe that is happening right now, shannonruth
shannonruth: me too
shannonruth: so much information
shannonruth: coming so fast
eternumpace: so little rhyme
shannonruth: that is where i was coming from with the changes in dna
nyte_walker: i don't have any proof of what the final frontier is...till then, I suppose its not known
eternumpace: yeah, you are right, nyte_walker. that's quite the martian you have there
eternumpace: oh, please, shannon, do expound :-)
nyte_walker: we may become X-men
shannonruth: yes
shannonruth: i know this might sound really weird
nyte_walker: one day, I could jump into some biohazard bath and then have powers to shape shift
shannonruth: i havent had any telepathic things happening or anytghing
shannonruth: but man, my hands hurt in the middle of the nigh
shannonruth: t
nyte_walker: where the SNPS will re-assemble and alter DNA expression
nyte_walker: hehe
eternumpace: i heard that australian aborigines use telepathy all the time
shannonruth: they are not the shapeshifters though
shannonruth: they are the real people
nyte_walker: that was a joke
nyte_walker: i wasn't really serious
shannonruth: the reptelian shapeshifter thing
shannonruth: yikes
nyte_walker: I think humans can't wait for evolution to come around
eternumpace: shannon, i'm losing you now
nyte_walker: humans will always attempt to defy nature
shannonruth: prince charles, man he is one ugly lizard
shannonruth: lol
shannonruth: sorry eter
shannonruth: where to start
nyte_walker: and merge electronics with biology
shannonruth: i have no idea just read to much
nyte_walker: subcutaneous implants
eternumpace: are you saying we are alien spawn
shannonruth: i dont know eter
eternumpace: i read that. i agree that we are
eternumpace: that there are like over 50 strands of potentially active dna at our disposal
shannonruth: yeah
shannonruth: we got unplugged
eternumpace: i believe that
shannonruth: but..........
eternumpace: there's always a but
shannonruth: we are being plugged back in
shannonruth: and it is causing changes
eternumpace: yeah! yeah! i read you.
shannonruth: physically
nyte_walker: i don't believe there is a translation of what every gene is responsible for. I don't think its currently well understood...for now
shannonruth: strange aches and pains
eternumpace: oh. it's understood, walker, just not by us humans
shannonruth: being tired
nyte_walker: perhaps there are some genes have been supressed and not expressed
eternumpace: shannon, maybe you have an actual illness
nyte_walker: i speak in behalf of humans
shannonruth: no i am fine
shannonruth: totally healthy
eternumpace: ha ha, walker
eternumpace: why are you having these pains, shannon?
shannonruth: i have no idea
eternumpace: is anyone here familiar with the Pleaidian transmissions?
shannonruth: it is nothing major
shannonruth: yes
nyte_walker: I think its realistic to perceive it that way. No one has told me there was some higher intelligence that confirmed that something 'out there' has the answers. Until then, its me and perception
eternumpace: that is where i get most of my info right now
shannonruth: the family of light
shannonruth: bringers of dawn
shannonruth: barbara m
shannonruth: i read those
eternumpace: it's good to trust your perceptions, walker.
nyte_walker: great...ppl are *poofing* from here
eternumpace: yeah! shannon. i am reading that right now
nyte_walker: oh
nyte_walker: wb shannon
shannonruth: how in the heck do you fight this?
shannonruth: or maybe not fight
shannonruth: but accept
eternumpace: you can't fight that loving feeling, whoah that lovin feeling
nyte_walker: fight what?
shannonruth: yes
shannonruth: i live by that
nyte_walker: *nyte is lost in this convo*
shannonruth: that is why i am so involved and love my work
eternumpace: shannon, i said to you that i am reading bringers of the dawn right now. i really like it
nyte_walker: uh oh...gone again
eternumpace: *p0of
eternumpace: i think the ufo's are doing that lol
nyte_walker: shannon, I will have to put Crazy Glue on your shoes to stop *poofing* like that
eternumpace: wb shannon me lady
shannonruth: after i read the bringers of the dawn
shannonruth: i tripped out for a second
eternumpace: i read bits of it all the time and meditate on it
eternumpace: the lizzies are mostly good, right?
eternumpace: although i don't think they make good and bad distinctions like we do
shannonruth: and that is kinda scary
eternumpace: well, yes and no
shannonruth: brb
eternumpace: i think part of our current evolution is to learn to trust divine creativity and will, which need accept ALL things, actions, events
eternumpace: nyte_walker, sorry, i know this must seem a bit queer to you
nyte_walker: and unfamiliar
shannonruth: alot of things really scare me like that
nyte_walker: don't get me wrong, I believe in evolution...at this point its only speculation on how we can extrapolate what we will evolve into
shannonruth: shape
shannonruth: shifters
shannonruth: chemtrails
shannonruth: yikes
eternumpace: we are no more in the light of things, so to speak than you are. this stuff still confuses the hell out of me, but the essential premise of this book is that a race of divine artists called <i dunno) seeded earth with divine consciousness in the form of many dna strands which were then scattered by another band of "gods" so as to control us
nyte_walker: so we're someone's science project?
shannonruth: i dont think so
nyte_walker: *i need to re-edit this av*
shannonruth: i think they want us to be
eternumpace: yes and no because the Divine Prime Creator is in us all, so "we are the gods" or "ye be gods"
shannonruth: but i think they are terrified of us
shannonruth: are ability to love
shannonruth: i think that scares them
shannonruth: because they feed on our fear
nyte_walker: so those who succumb to believing that we are lab rats are what we now call fundamentalists (any faith-based philosophy)?
nyte_walker: I say this to be politically-correct =)
eternumpace: we have to come to terms with who we are because we are creators, both the "good" and the "bad"
shannonruth: yes, eter
shannonruth: to face our own demons
shannonruth: nothing exist outside of ourselves
shannonruth: right?
eternumpace: nyte, i believe every human life is a science project of sorts, that is what shamanism is all about, a divnity learning about itself through trial and error
nyte_walker: ok, now that's more like it entern...that we are creators
shannonruth: cocreators
shannonruth: and this is a free will planet
eternumpace: yes
shannonruth: and you know when anything goes........
shannonruth: it will
nyte_walker: our very lives always results in consequences (both positive and negative) due to our decision-making processes
eternumpace: although I believe also that free will is a designation more of our "place" in ever evolving consciousness (in and out of time) than a mere designation of our innate creative mandate as humans
nyte_walker: Crazy Glue didn't work
shannonruth: i feel like i am trying to figure out a puzzle and the pieces are missing
eternumpace: a lot of what we can do is a function of where, in reality (whichis miraculous beyond belief) we choose to be. in such manner, we can change the past and the future even as they remain inviolate
nyte_walker: that is how I feel like in my job shannon
shannonruth: this is how i feel when i hear things that blow my mind
shannonruth: and shake up my belief in what is real
shannonruth: and i dont even know what that is
nyte_walker: its sometimes hard to come to terms when you need to get answers and no one has any real answers
shannonruth: i know real unconditional love
eternumpace: i heard only love is real. that makes sense to me, maxium creative freedom for all
shannonruth: the realest feeling
shannonruth: is kissing someone on the cheek with downsyndrome
shannonruth: try it
eternumpace: i think nyte_walker is having the "realist" feeling lol
shannonruth: i just feel that when i am at work, i am feeling most safe
eternumpace: that's rigth. we have spoken before, shannon, you work with people with specific physical challenges
nyte_walker: i see it as a critical emotion...something that certain nations are seriously lacking, causing irrational behavior
eternumpace: what is that emotion, exactly, walker, love??
nyte_walker: shannon, are you getting booted or disconnected from ISP?
nyte_walker: yes entern
shannonruth: i dont know what is real anymore
eternumpace: here, nytewalker, i can speak from experience when I say that I have been on both sides, the lover and the hater
eternumpace: it is such a matter of perspective
eternumpace: i mean, we have all lived many lives and we have all been the good the bad and the ugly
shannonruth: no just having trouble with this thing
shannonruth: find myself listening to the new yes album over and over
shannonruth: no just having trouble with this thing
shannonruth: find myself listening to the new yes album over and over
nyte_walker: but can hate not co-exist with love? is it possible to have some utopia like this?
nyte_walker: its contagious now....bootitis
nyte_walker: wb
eternumpace: yes, i believe. it requires faith in the power of love.
eternumpace: http://www.eckankar.org/Audio/hu.au
nyte_walker: then what to do to those who don't have this faith?
eternumpace: that is a sound i willl not soon forget, HU
eternumpace: everyone must have this faith in order to exist, consciousness is divine, and consciousness is space, the last frontier :-)
eternumpace: "for we, to be, are ever learning how to love"
eternumpace: or the first frontier, as shannon pointed out
eternumpace: all there is is love, it is all we can ever do for ever and ever
nyte_walker: back when I was in school, I attended some seminars during the Indigenous Awareness Week. I asked a question to the Mexican-Indian speaker about what he meant about the 6th Sun...since according to Nahuatl belief that there are 5 Suns. He believed that this new era (sun) will be a psycholgical change, a change from within
nyte_walker: rather than an apolcalypse
eternumpace: well, "apocalypse" is Greek for revelation or becoming
nyte_walker: what I mean by apocalypse is the termination of all life. The 4 Suns correspond to the 'end of the world' by each element.
nyte_walker: well, all of the elements but one has been used up
eternumpace: oh. an eschatology, yes. perhaps a "catastrophe bifurcation" is the actual process, according to cultural historian, philologist, William Irwin Thompson
eternumpace: please explain, what element has not been "used up"?
nyte_walker: so the 5th Sun and associated element is movement (ollin)
eternumpace: that is very interesting, nyte_walker
nyte_walker: what I mean is that the elements that have caused the destruction does not repeat
bettina00_: hey
nyte_walker: hi bettina
eternumpace: hello
bettina00_: dead tonight
nyte_walker: I think shannon really had puter problems
eternumpace: wow, nyte_walker. you ahve really blown my mind.
eternumpace: yay!
nyte_walker: *BOOM!*
nyte_walker: lol
nyte_walker: i miss playing my gestures
eternumpace: i don't
eternumpace: lol
nyte_walker: i miss gesturebating
nyte_walker: lol
nyte_walker: wb nether
netherlass: ty
eternumpace: i am a master bator
eternumpace: hello, netherlass. cool name.
netherlass: thanks, hi
nyte_walker: and to close the seminar that I attended, the speaker sought a human sacrifice to close the talk
eternumpace: yikes
nyte_walker: he picked me
eternumpace: so did you volunteer?
eternumpace: that was courageous of you, nytewalker
nyte_walker: I'm still alive am i
eternumpace: "she whe dies b4 she dies, doesn't die when she is dead" zen
nyte_walker: its to defy the belief the current view of sacrifices as untrue and it was to pay homage to the 4 elements
eternumpace: current view of sacrifice? that is an interesting topi
eternumpace: topic
nyte_walker: So I was given a cup of burning copal and faced the 4 corners with the speaker and the audience
nyte_walker: the nahuatl community sees the human sacrifices as untrue and is a christian concept because they could not understand what was writen in the codices
nyte_walker: so the friars burned many of these books
eternumpace: where do the nahuatl reside mainly?
nyte_walker: mostly in Mexico...and some in Guatemala (I think)
eternumpace: but we know from paleontology that there have been human sacrifices in south america thousands of years ago
nyte_walker: since Guatemala, Belize, and El Salvador was basically Mayan
eternumpace: what we also know is that it was considered an honor to be sacrificed, not a punishment
eternumpace: maybe that was more an Aztec thang
nyte_walker: but in Middle America were were wars, much like in Europe and their conquests. Prisoners of war were mistreated
eternumpace: hey, i have to use the loo. brb
nyte_walker: k
nyte_walker: brb...tea
eternumpace: do not...o./~ for sake me oh, my dar...ling o/`
eternumpace: you still there, netherlass??
netherlass: yes
eternumpace: good
eternumpace: if you have anything else you would like to talk about just jump right in
netherlass: i'm content
eternumpace: that's a fine way to be
netherlass: i know
netherlass: neutrality lends to seeing more clearly
eternumpace: i have a riddle for you
netherlass: ok
eternumpace: let me get this right...
eternumpace: Alone, I am safe and secure
eternumpace: Behead me, and I am a place of meeting
eternumpace: Behead once more, and I am the partner of ready
eternumpace: Restore me, and I am the domain of beasts
eternumpace: What am I?
nyte_walker: my boss?
eternumpace: not bad
eternumpace: lol
nyte_walker: =)
eternumpace: there are a few layers to this riddle
eternumpace: the layer i like the most is to treat the word Alone as a symbol of God being utterly unified in itself, or all one, whol-ey
nyte_walker: hmm....a candy bar?
eternumpace: those if you take this tack then each behead reveals the illusory nature of death
eternumpace: and cultimates in our ultimate regeneration (of the body of god) through nature, instinct or "the domain of beasts" or the archaic mythos of our ancestry in the primeval or Goddess world
eternumpace: in other words, and this is the point of the riddle, what is absolutely necessary for every element or all four elements to exist even as they change one another?
nyte_walker: and I say this because a consequence for over-indulgence in domain of beasts...hellish weight gain
heh
lag
nyte_walker: .
nyte_walker: wb entern
eternumpace: ty
nyte_walker: VP is laggy and boots ppl a lot to night
eternumpace: Riddle me this, what, like God then, is nowhere and everywhere and yet must always be S T A B L E ?
netherlass: certainty
eternumpace: sure, but also Energy, indicating that the ancients knew a lot about what science today calls the conservation of energy, and yet even still we are just beginning to fathom the mysteries of quantum physics and the multi-verse
eternumpace: ooh. hey, redeemed
netherlass: greetings, redeemed
--redeemed--: hello eternumpace,,,
--redeemed--: hello nether,,
eternumpace: fellow keeper of the light :-)
nyte_walker: we only have a fraction of that knowledge
eternumpace: and yet, once those DNA helixes re-allign whoah, nelly!
nyte_walker: i like the artist, Giger, and his themes of man and machine. Even in the
sixties he was doing alien space ships and intuiting nano technology
science is always able to evolve. whereas art is a times
more indulgence.
eternumpace: Ironically enough, I believe the "literalists" are expression
the common cultural fear of cataclysm such as happened
to the fabled Atlantis, a sort of apocalypsanoia, exigent of the Logos that is our multi-versal DNA So even
as we "prepare a way for the Lord" through
expanding our awareness of the limitless nature of consciousness
we must face our deepest fears we we all
hide through narrow beliefs such as allow
us to grow at our own pace.
The first scientists were artists
Alchemists, Astrologers. Geomancy Artists
It was Plato that intuited modern physics with his
"micromacrocosm"
nytewalker: we have the technology now to operate on microscopic parts
of the human body
eternumpace "we build our buildings "technologies" and our buildings build us" winston churchill
personally i have always held a fascination with architecture and the first law of thermodymanics, "energy cannot be created nor destroyed"
in this sense, architecture, of any variety, is how energy FEELS. and Feeling is all MOTION
And lets not forget that the whole subject object theme of cyborgs and man and machine is just existentialism or aka pantheism,
"the thee in thou that helps me know my self"
AGain, the first and oldest science is ART or the instance of Creation, the now in now, the word behind the word,
God, face to face with itself...
`finis... and Amen