janiepop: hello dear

janiepop: busy ?

janiepop: just going into CC 1

janiepop: maybe I'll catch you round the traps ?

eternumpace: hello

janiepop: hi

janiepop: busy ?

eternumpace: traps. what traps?

eternumpace: i'm not busy

eternumpace: i watche some of that film. very interesting

janiepop: traps ...it's a saying lol

eternumpace: oh. like catch you on the flip side?

janiepop: TULoB ? “The Unbearable Lightness of Being”, a film with Daniel day lewis

janiepop: yes the traps would be the traps as in rabbit etc

eternumpace: Tulob. you are making my head spin

eternumpace: oh. Tulob

eternumpace: lol

eternumpace: yes

eternumpace: you are acrimonious with your acronysms

janiepop: hahhaha

janiepop: such a long title

janiepop: feeling lazy lol

eternumpace: i have a joke for you that I made up

janiepop: tell

eternumpace: what is the difference between a christian fundy and a pagan fundy? Answer: a mono syllabic anglo saxon idiom for utter exasperation

eternumpace: well, it was funny earlier when i made it up. ho hum

janiepop: I love it I love it

janiepop: I'm slow today ..bear with me

eternumpace: anyway. i haven't finished watching the flick yet. its a very rich film

eternumpace: can't eat the whole chocolate bar in one gulp

janiepop: ok yes rich

janiepop: yes it needs digesting along the way

janiepop: and savoring

eternumpace: it is slightly disturbing and yet it doesn't get in a rut. i think that is intentional

janiepop: damned clever aren't they these directors

janiepop: when I saw it ...I didn't 'get it ' lol

janiepop: later I did

eternumpace: mmm

eternumpace: lucky for me i have studied oedipus the king a bit

janiepop: I take my hubby with me for the instant interpretation

janiepop: yes that would be a huge help

eternumpace: it was a good recommended movie in light of the point i was trying to make yesterday about light

janiepop: yes

eternumpace: that the light of consciousness is indifferent or at worst ambivialent about the qualifications we assign to right and wrong

janiepop: and speaking of light

eternumpace: yes?

janiepop: yes Oscar Wilde said it better

janiepop: don't think of things as right/wrong ..rather think of them as charming or tedious

janiepop: works for me

eternumpace: she says, the Binnoche character "everything normal is beautiful"

eternumpace: i like that

janiepop: yes

janiepop: like the mundane is the edge of glory

janiepop: that's my sister Sals fave

eternumpace: really. neato

janiepop: the priest has another one from the ordinary comes the extraordinary

janiepop: the magical

janiepop: when he was sketching this concept .....

janiepop: he talked about the ordinary circumstances in which people met one another

eternumpace: there is a priest in tulob?

janiepop: and how that ordinary meeting place (eg a smokey noisy nightclub) gets converted to a life long union

janiepop: sorry hun I'm getting slightly away on another illustration

eternumpace: how illustrious of you

janiepop: the ordinary converts to the mystical

janiepop: that to me is the human/divine non division too

janiepop: that illustrates how Jesus is at once human and divine

janiepop: the more human we are ..the more divine

janiepop: I used to think of them as different entities

eternumpace: wow. you are waxing prophetic

janiepop: you bring out the best in me

janiepop: that is honestly how I see it , feel it and know it

janiepop: know it being the operative

janiepop: very gnostic of me

eternumpace: aaaah. sigh of relief

janiepop: lol

janiepop: why the sigh ?

eternumpace: oh. nothing. that was a pleasant sigh

janiepop: do I get a bit much ?

eternumpace: my meds are really working. i feel so good

janiepop: excellent

janiepop: tell me again what are you taking ?

eternumpace: 25 mg Zoloft once a day

janiepop: ok anything else ?

janiepop: how long have you been on Zoloft ?

eternumpace: just the big Z for about 2 months now

janiepop: great

eternumpace: every now and then i just stop and think, wow so this is what it feels like to be normal

janiepop: wonderful

janiepop: magical

janiepop: normal

janiepop: people eschew 'normal' I never understood that lol

eternumpace: hey , i've got a bone to pick with you although it is not with you but someone elses bone to me that i would like to bone up with you for the sake of discussion

janiepop: phhewww

eternumpace: eschew. bless you.

janiepop: very funny

janiepop: pick away

eternumpace: i am still rathere annoyed about an impromtu social gathering at my mums wherein a young lady made crude sexual advances towards me after downing 2 bottles of wine

eternumpace: i really feel like i should be over it by now but i am not

janiepop: listening

eternumpace: do you think i am a prude?

eternumpace: i don't think so

janiepop: no

janiepop: do you ?

eternumpace: it really bothered me a lot

janiepop: did it

janiepop: this is a biggish topic

eternumpace: one ) that this person had so little self respect as to get that drunk and two) that nobody corrected her faux pas

janiepop: two bottles is a lot

janiepop: of wine ..that is about 10 drinks

janiepop: very disinhibiting

eternumpace: and 3) it is a small island that i visit quite often and i feel very uncomfortable with the thought of running into her because i'm sure she feels like being drunk is some kind of valid excuse for stupidity

janiepop: is she important to you for any reason

eternumpace: only that she is a friends of my mum's who coincidently is an alcoholic. ugh

eternumpace: but this girl is only 21 and frankly, someone should show her how to be a lady

janiepop: what is your mum saying ?

eternumpace: i address my mum and as usual, she shrugged it off apathetically

eternumpace: my mum is quite the martyr

janiepop: very Basil Faulty

eternumpace: the thing that gets me is that if the roles were reversed and i did that, i would expect an ass whooping

janiepop: mmmm I see

eternumpace: well, not literally but you get my point. what is Basil Faulty?

janiepop: you know John Cleese

eternumpace: oh yes

janiepop: and Faulty Towers ?

eternumpace: somewhat yes

janiepop: his 'wife' is Sybil

janiepop: very long suffering

eternumpace: haven't heard that phrase for a while

janiepop: and he delivers amazing lines about her

janiepop: Sibyl says something long suffering and Basil says (aside in a stage whisper) 'do I smell burning martyr' lol

janiepop: but I digress lol

eternumpace: haha

janiepop: I have had a helluva 'problem' with my extended family

janiepop: in the end, when I go out with them ...

janiepop: as a way of coping ...

janiepop: I make Woody Allen movies

eternumpace: but to be fair my mum is also very defferential and has mentioned the error of drinking to much to this young lass. my concern is that I myself feel it has effected another dear friendship

janiepop: sure

janiepop: you will quite likely outgrow all your original friendships

eternumpace: one cannot underestimate the damages of alcoholism and alcohol related impropriety

janiepop: heck this girl is 21

janiepop: I was reading recently ....

eternumpace: she is a friend and coworker of my mum's as is another friend

eternumpace: yes?

janiepop: that the worrying trend is about young women and binge drinking

eternumpace: yes! she is a binge drinker

janiepop: thinks it's this TIME

eternumpace: and i think she is somewhat of a relationship sabateur

janiepop: mag

janiepop: drinking will cahnge anything

eternumpace: she spoke at lenght (while drunk of course but hell in vion veritas i say) that she was dead set on breaking up her father's new relationship with his girlfriend

janiepop: almost as much as any other substance

eternumpace: alcholism is a psychosis no?

janiepop: that's why they call it the demon drink

janiepop: no

eternumpace: demon drink. i understand that

janiepop: not really

eternumpace: oh well

janiepop: alcohol is disinhibiting

janiepop: that is not psychosis

janiepop: withdraw alcohol = normal

eternumpace: is not any repetive behaviour and or cognitive disfunction precipitated by unrealized neroses a psychosis?

janiepop: mmmm big question

janiepop: the short a is quite likely no

eternumpace: lol

eternumpace: well we are going to differ on this one

janiepop: sure differaway

eternumpace: alcholism is more than a simple compulsion

eternumpace: i grew up with it

janiepop: yep

eternumpace: i have seen the mood swings and the cognitive mischief

janiepop: sure

eternumpace: people lying to themselves so much delusion becomes reality

janiepop: yep

eternumpace: Denial

janiepop: yep

eternumpace: what a mess

janiepop: yep

eternumpace: i am 28 and only beginning to truly heal my sense of what a family is to me

janiepop: I understand

eternumpace: my mum still refuses to speak with my father, mostly due to abject shame imo

janiepop: yes

janiepop: they are separated ? divorced ?

eternumpace: and someone advised me that i may (may being the key word here) have Fetal alcohol syndrome

eternumpace: divorced, lenghty drawn out divorce

janiepop: ok

janiepop: so divorced since ?

eternumpace: me and my sister have told my mum many many times. it is not what you did or didn't do in the past. it is what you do NOW that matters to us

eternumpace: they have been divorced for several years now

janiepop: sure ...that is good

janiepop: ok

janiepop: is your das still around ?

janiepop: dad sorry

eternumpace: yes. i live with my dad now

eternumpace: i need to

janiepop: I see

janiepop: is he still drinking ?

eternumpace: no. he does not have as much of a drinking problem, i suspected that he did, but not really. he just getting kindof stupid when he drinks though - refuses to admit he da may have had a drinking prob, but all in all our relationship is fairly sound for the time being

janiepop: good

janiepop: that's good

eternumpace: it is defined by the fact that i need him to help support me and my father loves to help people out

eternumpace: he is good that way

janiepop: that's good

eternumpace: so is my mum come to think of it

janiepop: good

eternumpace: i have had so much anger towards both my parents over the years it is immeasurable and almost unfathomable that i managed to stay alive this long

janiepop: and now ?

eternumpace: probably because i am too mentally disabled to do too much damage. now i am pretty good. much more aware

janiepop: so a different spin on it all

eternumpace: it is very difficult for me to form noram human relationships though, close ones anyway. i tend to keep people at a distance and I am learning to accept that about myself

janiepop: that is a life long skill

eternumpace: i suppose

janiepop: you have all your life to practice

eternumpace: as you can tell, though, i am drawn to people the human condition yada yada yada

janiepop: and refine and explore

janiepop: we are social creatures

janiepop: we are also story telling people

eternumpace: yep yep

janiepop: we need our narratives

eternumpace: very trippy

eternumpace: i am learning, however, that we can change the narrative, alter the past

janiepop: we can

janiepop: more than that

janiepop: we must

eternumpace: i enjoy that challenge. but what pisses me off is when people get in my way. Manners is my only true moral principle and i expect as much as I offer in that way

janiepop: manners matter

eternumpace: iq. no matter. money. i could care less. but one should carry oneself with some manner

eternumpace: that is our humanity

janiepop: and you do

janiepop: you are the epitome of good manners

eternumpace: i don't think my emotons will fade on this point

janiepop: I'm sure of it

eternumpace: perhaps not always, but i have shame, a very important thing to have, not guilt, shame, a sense of recognition of wisdom greater than oneself in the experiences unique of others

janiepop: I dont call that shame

eternumpace: my mum, however, is convince her suffering is paramount. that is a shame. i'm sure this young friend of hers has not figured out either that martyrdom is the poor man's legacy

eternumpace: what do you call that, janie?

janiepop: I call that humility

eternumpace: that works, too

janiepop: and humilty's sister is awe

janiepop: these are positive forces

janiepop: shame and guilt are negative spirals

eternumpace: my father is a little on the martyer side of things himself, and i know i have had to deal with that, but i think it is fair to have expectation of comportment, of how people should and should not carry themselves

janiepop: humility and awe lead up up wards and outwards

eternumpace: i dunno. i think shame can be good, even guilt if they are not exasperated by fear

eternumpace: or dogma for that matter

eternumpace: "to fear oneself and love all humankind" hymn to intellectual beauty

janiepop: that's me ...not too dogmatic about the dogma

janiepop: but me I'm 57

janiepop: if I'd stayed too dogmatic I would never have survived

eternumpace: anyway, i'm glad i could talk to you about this. i don't have any other neutral parties to speak with

janiepop: I'm glad to talk to you

eternumpace: and my mum, with all due respect to her, is a waste of time on this subject

janiepop: she is too close

janiepop: that's the problem

janiepop: we get like that with our kids

janiepop: I have a 28 yr old

eternumpace: aaah. be she also reviles the authority spiritual and emotional of her parents, such is her undoing

janiepop: perhaps you can help her

eternumpace: and i am an adult child of an alcoholic, my mum is like my peer in many ways. that is how we have learned to communicate

janiepop: reconstruct her narrative

eternumpace: yes. she needs to do that

janiepop: reconstruct your narrative together

eternumpace: she needs, quite frankly, to grow up

janiepop: it could be vastly liberating for you all

janiepop: are you willing to help her ?

eternumpace: i am slowly realizing that i do have some fairly sever disabilities and yet i have managed to comport myself fairly well all considered, i don't think it is unreasonable to expect a lil more shame from my mum

eternumpace: how to help her?

eternumpace: whenever i mention her father or mother she tells me to shut up

janiepop: talk to her

eternumpace: she has her taboo subjects

janiepop: fair enough

eternumpace: she is convinced they abused her. although her siblings are all quite well

eternumpace: if anything, she is the most vital of them all

janiepop: remember what that great Philosopher Indiana Jones said

eternumpace: what is that?

janiepop: it ain't the years ..it's the mileage

eternumpace: yeah lol

janiepop: was that in The Temple of Doom ?

eternumpace: i have already advised her that if she doesn't learn to communicate to my father she will fall further out of touch

eternumpace: i don't remember

janiepop: mmmm

eternumpace: this is so depressing to talk about

eternumpace: talk about yer brick walls

janiepop: do you know why ?

eternumpace: my mum is pyshotic. that's why.

eternumpace: she cannot relate to men without a psychopathic belligerence

janiepop: that happens

eternumpace: also i think she suffers from post traumatic stress

eternumpace: from the death of her sister when she was little

janiepop: many women just simply dismiss men at large

eternumpace: i know, i have had the misfortune and the fortune of meeting some of them

janiepop: do you ant to talk about this ?

eternumpace: sure. i have to

eternumpace: i attract women that hate men

janiepop: do you talk to the psychiatrist about all this ?

eternumpace: my shrink doesn't talk to me. he prescribes medication lol. besides, in all fairness, he is at stage one i think in getting me on meds in the first place and stabilizing me

janiepop: and it's working

eternumpace: i see lovely intelligent demure women all the time and wonder why i can't meet them

janiepop: my daughter is 28 and saying the same things

eternumpace: the biggest mistake i ever made was assuming that all women were ideal

janiepop: but about men lol

eternumpace: yeah. well that's comforting i suppos

janiepop: yes that takes a lot of unlearning

janiepop: about ideal

janiepop: I think it's very Platonic

eternumpace: well when you grow up without a mum that is what you do i guess, its a survival tactic that doesn't work very well

eternumpace: you live in a very Platonic world, yes. very fantastical

eternumpace: that is probably why i write so well

janiepop: the Platonic notion of the FORMS

eternumpace: yes. i understand

janiepop: we have it deeply embedded

janiepop: dear one

eternumpace: neoplatonism, however, would adjudicate that such ideal forms are drawn like a shakespearean character, from the world as we know it

janiepop: yes

janiepop: wonderful summary

eternumpace: rather than from a trasncend world only ever truly recognized by an initiated mystic

janiepop: wow

eternumpace: as plato most surely was

janiepop: you are poetry itself

eternumpace: i have had good teachers lol

janiepop: platonic poetry

janiepop: yes and I can see that

janiepop: that's the advantage you have

eternumpace: the best advice i ever got was, pretend you are stupid

janiepop: over your Mum

eternumpace: that's the irony, i think muchof my intelligence comes from my Mum but her Shadow occludes her true self from her self

janiepop: your Mum would be very unlikely to have your context

eternumpace: "theren's nothing i can do o/`...it's a total eclipse of the heart...o/`"

eternumpace: hehe

janiepop: you have intelligence +

janiepop: education = a context

janiepop: a top down view

janiepop: she has a bottom up view more n likely

janiepop: it's a generational thing

janiepop: as much as anything

eternumpace: interesing

janiepop: I communicate with you at 57 in the way that I do

janiepop: because of my adult education

janiepop: in the Classics

janiepop: that's her context

janiepop: and her experience

janiepop: soem folks can't ever get there hun

janiepop: you are fortunate

eternumpace: my mum likes crossworld puzzles

eternumpace: however, NIetszche did say that christianity is platonism for the people

eternumpace: and my mum is christian

janiepop: uh oh

eternumpace: uh oh why?

janiepop: that's for another day

eternumpace: lol

janiepop: I need to go about now

janiepop: another transforming chat Landon

eternumpace: well, i try to encourage my mother to recognize jesus christ as her savior because that is what her parents taught her

eternumpace: ok doky

janiepop: artichoke

eternumpace: another fine chat in deed. thank you again for all your help

eternumpace: persephone

janiepop: don't thank me Landon

janiepop: I have her right beside my bed

eternumpace: aha. i knew it!

janiepop: I'll tell you about that another day ...you clever one

eternumpace: alright alright

janiepop: so next agenda items ...Goddesses we have known

eternumpace: turn that frown upside down charlie brown. that will be my positive affirmation for the day

janiepop: and will in future meet

eternumpace: to the gods and monsters. cheers

eternumpace: rent that movie like i said

janiepop: and bright blessings

eternumpace: you too :-8

janiepop: will do

janiepop: will see if I can get it today

janiepop: over and out

eternumpace: now run along and don't get into any mischief

janiepop: exits upperstage left

janiepop: smiling

eternumpace: tee hee

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Entering Pagan Chat 2...

blakwarlok: brb

paladin_knight: well ill bbl

paladin_knight: take care all

_-innocent_sin-_: miss you

o0-----bc-----0o: ta ta paladin

paladin_knight: aww : )

_-innocent_sin-_: lol

myopic41: The mention of renaisance reminds that someone just published a book blaming the renaisance for the current failure of traditional marriages.  Personally, I blame the Victorian age for that.

eternumpace: why is that, myopic?

myopic41: Put sexuality in the closet.

_-innocent_sin-_: who's int he closet?

_-innocent_sin-_: *in the

blakwarlok: fuck the victorian age, those were some stupid fucking ideas

blakwarlok: still ruining culture today

o0-----bc-----0o: mhm

eternumpace: so transpersonal gender obfuscation becomes too practiced

gremlinx1: Yup

eternumpace: sorof like pagan fundeism

blakwarlok: what are you talking about?

eternumpace: makes culture a cliche

eternumpace: necromantic songs of innocence and experience breathe in the crystalline water running down the mountain from the cave of Maerlyn

myopic41: Culchore is very cliche.

o0-----bc-----0o: 0.o

eternumpace: so saith the Lord Yeats

blakwarlok: mmhm

eternumpace: i revel , therefore in my pathological androgyne

myopic41: Sounds quite misophiliatic if you ask me eternumpace.

eternumpace: lol

eternumpace: let me think about that one, myopic

eternumpace: it is age old simplified structural simplicty to the chaos of birth and death

eternumpace: a picture on the cave wall of the wedding and wedding guest, vis a vis the rime of

the ancient mariner

dantheman146: mm all

o0-----bc-----0o: mm danthe

_-innocent_sin-_: mm danthe

eternumpace: but myopic, could you illuminate me as the meaning of that rather wonderful word you just used

burned_by_yer_flame: ok people, i feel like a ditz at the moment, but for the life of me i can't remember.....

gremlinx1: Hail Dan

myopic41: You do not know?

eternumpace: i do not know. could I guess?

burned_by_yer_flame: what is the pagan version of a christening?

eternumpace: an orgy?

_-innocent_sin-_: LOL

dantheman146: I know what myopic means

o0-----bc-----0o: oh aye.........i ferget that one too<

_-innocent_sin-_: joining a coven.. maybe

myopic41: It is "the pathelogical interest in excrement".

burned_by_yer_flame: lol no sin

_-innocent_sin-_: heh

eternumpace: haha. very funny

_-innocent_sin-_: was an idea..

eternumpace: very freudian too

burned_by_yer_flame: damnit, i'm in a room full of pagans and no one knows

eternumpace: wouldn't that be the love of poop?

burned_by_yer_flame: I was trying to explain my nephews ceremony to a friend but can't remember the word

eternumpace: i go coo coo for ka ka puffs!

myopic41: something along those lines.

_-innocent_sin-_: ...

eternumpace: hehe

_-innocent_sin-_: so says the big pink circle

eternumpace: to answer your question, myopic. thats a big no. i canot speak for my subconscious , however. go knows what it would like to do

blakwarlok: what's the difference between a misophiliac and a fecalphiliac?

eternumpace: i suppose you are referring to my love of a good bowel movement?

_-innocent_sin-_: miso and fecal

myopic41: degree.

burned_by_yer_flame: ok people, can we stop talking about this?

blakwarlok: lol

_-innocent_sin-_: I have no idea what it is.. so ok

eternumpace: lol

blakwarlok: but i've got pictures

blakwarlok: lol

_-innocent_sin-_: thats scary

eternumpace: hey, sugar has entered the building. viva las nachos bon appitite senor

_-innocent_sin-_: umkay

myopic41: It is a word someone discovered when looking up misnathrope without knowing how to spell it.

eternumpace: lmao, myopic

myopic41: misnathrope/misanthrope

_-innocent_sin-_: wha?

eternumpace: marxist cultural pseudo metamorphosis

burned_by_yer_flame: ok boys, put away your dictionary's

eternumpace: aka christianity

_-innocent_sin-_: ah..neat

dantheman146: supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

myopic41: Who uses dictionaries?

dantheman146: I collect dictionaries

eternumpace: a spoon ful of sugar helps the prositute go down

0_sugar_0: mm and howdy folks

o0-----bc-----0o: mm an heyas suger

_-innocent_sin-_: hey sugar

eternumpace: sugar. i greet you with warm welcome. what say you?

myopic41: Hello sugar.  How are you?

dantheman146: mm sugar

0_sugar_0: hi bc, innocent, hi eternum, myo

0_sugar_0: hi dan

gremlinx1: Greetings sugar

0_sugar_0: I say a warm greeting is great eternum!  how you been?

0_sugar_0: hi gremlin

burned_by_yer_flame: brb

eternumpace: i was going to give you a warm and wet welcome but thought better of it.

0_sugar_0: hey eternum....turns out we would have had to 'execute' one of those trees we just had cut down...it was dead in the middle, the heart wood was diseased and it was dying from the inside out

eternumpace: sugar, what is the pagan version of a christening?

0_sugar_0: lol a warm wet welcome?  you would have peed on my leg?

0_sugar_0: a wiccaning

eternumpace: haha

eternumpace: i see sugar. do you feel absolved now?

_-innocent_sin-_: lol

_-innocent_sin-_: I like that

0_sugar_0: a wiccaning is more or less the pagan version of a baby shower, christening etc

0_sugar_0: lol eternum

eternumpace: well. do you?

_-innocent_sin-_: hey laurie. didn't see you come in

laurie_j1: mm inocent

eternumpace: i wonder what druid would think about your sordid desiduous kiling spree

0_sugar_0: nah, i still am gonna miss having those trees back there...but once one gets diseased, the pine beetles will infest it and kill it and every tree around it

myopic41: <memo to self: do not let eternumpace get to close>

0_sugar_0: lol myo

eternumpace: hey. i don't pee on people. not unless they ask

0_sugar_0: ewww...hope they don't ask for it

blakwarlok: golden showers

eternumpace: anyone for a golden shower?

blakwarlok: lol

0_sugar_0: pass!

0_sugar_0: not my thing...lol

myopic41: Have you thought of planting Japanese Maples sugar?

eternumpace: i learned that in the movie, 52 pickup

0_sugar_0: yeah, hubby suggested a magnolia tree, or perhaps a crepe myrtle as they

are beautiful once they are old enough to bloom

0_sugar_0: if we plant them in the far back corner of the lot, they wouldn't be very close to the house either

eternumpace: polymorphonuclearleukocyte

eternumpace: so thee

myopic41: I would think a couple of magnolia bushes would be better than trees.

gremlinx1: Hi winged your back!

0_sugar_0: supercalafragilisticexpealodocious

o0-----bc-----0o: ello winged

o0-----bc-----0o: wb

eternumpace: its deja vu all over again

0_sugar_0: they might be myo...give some privacy to the back yard area too

dantheman146: spelled it wrong

0_sugar_0: lol

wingedmessenger: hello, all.

eternumpace: sugar, are you auditioning for Basic Instinct two?

0_sugar_0: hi winged

laurie_j1: mm winged

dantheman146: mm winged

eternumpace: whaats the Word, Perseus?

0_sugar_0: me?  LOL,,,nah, sharon stone has no worred about me trying to take her place

myopic41: antidisenstablishmentarism.

0_sugar_0: worries that is...damnable typos

wingedmessenger: i'm having small technical difficulties, with my av please forgive the bag  head.

dantheman146: electroenseplegraphic

eternumpace: maybe we just can't handle the truth

0_sugar_0: no problem winged...I always open up my chat screen completely anyhow, so i rarely see the avs

eternumpace: your loss, sugar. i have an action shot of me peeing on a lamp socket

0_sugar_0: lol!

0_sugar_0: an 'electrifying' experience for you eternum?

eternumpace: quite

gremlinx1: LOL

0_sugar_0: that reminds me of a web site...www.darwinismawards.com

o0-----bc-----0o: hugzzzzz d sis

_xxx_d_xxx_: hugzzz bc bro

laurie_j1: mm d

0_sugar_0: ever want a chuckle or to feel reallllly intelligent, just visit that web site

0_sugar_0: mm d

_xxx_d_xxx_: mm

eternumpace: D, you remembered how to spelll your name1

o0-----bc-----0o: lol, i have the books sugar

0_sugar_0: lol....you know what i mean then bc!

myopic41: Anyone, besides me, seen Ice Age yet?

o0-----bc-----0o: yuh, they funny shit

eternumpace: yes!

0_sugar_0: inventive and creative ways to take yourself out of the gene pool!

o0-----bc-----0o: heh

0_sugar_0: yes, ive seen Ice Age...loved the little saber toothed squirrel

wingedmessenger: i think i missed something folks.

o0-----bc-----0o: i wanna see it

wingedmessenger: me, too

myopic41: I enjoyed the entire movie.

eternumpace: good flick. funny

eternumpace: it has spurned a renewed interest in my polar regions

burned_by_yer_flame: back

0_sugar_0: lol

o0-----bc-----0o: i think the next flick am off ta see is the new Jet Li film...The One

0_sugar_0: wb flame

_xxx_d_xxx_: wb burned

burned_by_yer_flame: > I saw trailors for that a year ago

0_sugar_0: I still want to see Dragonfly...probably have to wait til its out on video

eternumpace: saw that

0_sugar_0: any good eternum?

eternumpace: i liked it

o0-----bc-----0o: i saw the trailors fer it last week on the tv.........we allwanted ta see it!

eternumpace: wait for video, no loss

0_sugar_0: okay

o0-----bc-----0o: that and Blade 2

0_sugar_0: if its anything like the 6th Sense, I will enjoy it

burned_by_yer_flame: > lol I got to see it early cuz i was a mall rat n needed 5 bucks so they asked me to watch it n take sum survey thing

eternumpace: Blade 2 kicks ars

0_sugar_0: oh...loved Blade 1

o0-----bc-----0o: lol< cool

myopic41: Depends on whether is lookd better on the big screen than on tv.

michael_7_7_7: i wanna see "killing jews like flies"

o0-----bc-----0o: we dunt have crap like that

0_sugar_0: hehe, getting paid to see a movie, way to go!

eternumpace: you would you nasty blood sucking sweet lil thang

wingedmessenger: blade 1 was great

burned_by_yer_flame: blech @ blade 1

myopic41: You and I are going to have a war michael.

0_sugar_0: heh, that is what he wants myo

eternumpace: michael row the boat ashore, hallelujah

michael_7_7_7: didn't we kill all the pagans the first time ?

0_sugar_0: silly little boy that he is...lol

michael_7_7_7: how can we war now ?

0_sugar_0: row the boat ashore?  cant we use it for topedo practice while he's rowing eternum?

o0-----bc-----0o: am happy, the HMV has had a clearout, i got rocky horror pic show fer 4pounds on vhs

eternumpace: what is true of body is also true of mind, what is true of water is also true of sky, earth's the right place for war

dantheman146: oh this is the michael I heard about last night

0_sugar_0: lol...oh my...i have the soundtrack to that bc...love the time warp!

michael_7_7_7: be back....rent to pay

_-innocent_sin-_: I thought heaven was 555

burned_by_yer_flame: blech @ blade 1

~~

Entering Pagan Chat 2...

siane_silvermyst: brb gonna grab something to eat

dantheman146: oops gotta go watch the Simpsons

wingedmessenger: be well dan

o0-----bc-----0o: ta ta danth

dantheman146: mp bb and good evening

eternumpace: salutations and cojugations

blakwarlok: hmm

eternumpace: AnD I know not how to say in words that do compel the mind to listen with something of a dead man's ear

eternumpace: what magic phrase was I given to chant in time in words that listen and speak with thoughts immortal? wind to leaf to ground to life my strife bowing to the earth my death i know my life i write upon it....

eternumpace: regerative penetrations of the veil of maya i greet you with warm welcome what say you?

gremlinx1: Thats awesome eturnum

eternumpace: a pussy had my tongue once. we played with tongues as long as lust that matter mussed

wingedmessenger: would that my tongue were as pretty as yours, eternum.

eternumpace: ty heveanly hosts

eternumpace: oooh. velvt has entered the building

eternumpace: bluuuuu velvt.....

wingedmessenger: from whence do you commence, eternum?

eternumpace: mmm that's a good question

wingedmessenger: why thank you.

eternumpace: with trees unfurled, my darling curled, unmasked , unseen, unmade, sweet mystery, dear charity, the daughter lust had made yet sun delights in careful sprites that play as long as fallow, shadow fields of eearthly lights the lips she ploughed I hallow

pedaljockey: From that part of your mind that never blinks and never sheds a tear, but only opens to the eternal. That's where eternum comes from.

wingedmessenger: Thank you pedal.

eternumpace: on what path be he who travels the road on which the weariest never weary. where is the foundling's father hidden? our souls are like those orphas whose unwedded mothers die in burying them and the secret of our paternity lies in their grave and we must there learn it

gremlinx1: Eturnum

pedaljockey: I just stole that from a book by that one guy that wrote that other book.

gremlinx1: I bow to another poet

eternumpace: haha. that wasn'5t mine actually. but i looove it

pedaljockey: I hate poets...Get aa hair cut and get a real job!!!

eternumpace: lol

o0-----bc-----0o: mm dark

wingedmessenger: something of yours then, eternum?  Please.

_xxx_d_xxx_: mm dark

gremlinx1: Poet warriors?

siane_silvermyst: *laughs* mm dc!

gremlinx1: I got 3 jobs

darkcranium: mm everyone except micheal

eternumpace: let me see what i have in my bag of tricks

o0-----bc-----0o: hey up......poetry night?..........*gets out bongos|*

o0-----bc-----0o: *clicks fingers*

wingedmessenger: only with a black beret, bc.

pedaljockey: Ah! If I wanted poetry I'd go to poetry cafe. *ready to flee*

o0-----bc-----0o: well, i have one o them somewhere

eternumpace: as above, sooo below,,,wanna slide inside your Soul, baby

eternumpace: hehehe

wingedmessenger: how sweet.

darkcranium: i dont think thats her soul your thinkin of

o0-----bc-----0o: heh heh

eternumpace: my name is Free in Vanity, drink me and remember, baby. that song should've been in Alice in Wonderland

pedaljockey: White Rabbit should have been in alice and wonderland.

eternumpace: what, are you speaking of her vaginal opening? of uterine dreams and spinach eatin, sacrum busting balls of fire?

wingedmessenger: Beyond the looking glass?

wingedmessenger: I highly doubt it.

pedaljockey: I tried that trick........got cut up bad.......that's what I get for letting my imagination run wild........

darkcranium: what about spinach in the uterus, thats just gross

eternumpace: or are you speaking of filthy female placenta streams of cosmic intelligence that

scream out in ectsasy even today the name of God at the orgasmic tone of true love, "my mother and father are one!"

o0-----bc-----0o: 0.o

o0-----bc-----0o: *paging Dr Frued*

eternumpace: lol

darkcranium: he's crazier than i am

o0-----bc-----0o: lol

darkcranium: and that pretty bad

o0-----bc-----0o: hahahaha

wingedmessenger: aBut a crazy I like, nevertheless.

eternumpace: for what is christ but a metaphor for the language of pure being spoken by lovers and artists alike? and when the memory past from Her life into His , His into Hers, time and before made artistic avatars of us all...

darkcranium: that makes absolutely no sense

eternumpace: that will be 5 bucks please lol

wingedmessenger: sorry folks, I gotta go.   merry meet, merry part, and merry meet again.

velvt.: hi everyone

darkcranium: sounds cool but makes no sense

o0-----bc-----0o: mm velvt

eternumpace: bb, wing

eternumpace: mm, velvt

siane_silvermyst: mp wing bb

siane_silvermyst: mm velvt

o0-----bc-----0o: mp winged

gremlinx1: Hail to you velvet

darkcranium: mm velv

darkcranium: bb wing

velvt.: you guys must be bored to lavish such greetings on me :)

gremlinx1: Dark I didn't see you HAIL my friend

pedaljockey: Blibitz! Comp newbered up!

eternumpace: would you we slavishly greet you , velvt?

darkcranium: whos your friend

eternumpace: whose your daddy?

velvt.: naw, unless it involves some foot licking

velvt.: that can feel good

eternumpace: my foot ne'er licked anyone

darkcranium: if its hitler i dont hail him

eternumpace: no. wait.

eternumpace: i have given some good foot lickings in my day

eternumpace: i could give a foot licking seminar

darkcranium: what are you talking bout gremlin

siane_silvermyst: oooo that's just wrong..... eter

darkcranium: mm big

gremlinx1: Scuse me then

eternumpace: lol siane

bigdaddy_1981: hi room

velvt.: now, pace.... be careful what tales you tell out of school

siane_silvermyst: *chuckles*

gremlinx1: I was just saying hello

darkcranium: oh well hello then

gremlinx1: How tall are you

darkcranium: me?

eternumpace: and do you come often?

_xxx_d_xxx_: mm bigdaddy

gremlinx1: No

bigdaddy_1981: whaz ever 1 up to

eternumpace: d. ? do you douche?

gremlinx1: Excuse me once more

velvt.: geesh, pace!

eternumpace: what??!

velvt.: that's even worse than the boob poking the other day

_xxx_d_xxx_: lol

eternumpace: boob poking? whose telling tales out of school now?

velvt.: well, you did it in public!

eternumpace: i'm at a loss

velvt.: it went something like this:

darkcranium: id like to visit loss one day

velvt.: poke >>>  are those real?

darkcranium: everyone seems to go there but me

o0-----bc-----0o: lol dark

eternumpace: at the end of all our wide world wandering we return to the land of our fathers and catch time in clouds of immediate fascination, prayerful anticipation of the eternities inside eternity

o0-----bc-----0o: is like, as fuck, he knows everything

eternumpace: velv. you got the wrong guy

darkcranium: then i could call my freinds

velvt.: oh, um.... sorry

darkcranium: he guess where i am

darkcranium: im at aloss

velvt.: bad memory here LOL

eternumpace: boobs serve the primary fuction of looking like ass cheeks to men during copulation

velvt.: <head thunks on table>

darkcranium: what?

o0-----bc-----0o: 0.o

eternumpace: its Nature's compromise, the holy covenant between the sheets

o0-----bc-----0o: *hmm......thinks pace has homosexual thoughts*

eternumpace: lol

velvt.: naw... that's not it... we had the breasts first... the fat asses came later

_xxx_d_xxx_: lol

o0-----bc-----0o: |*boobs do not remind me o an ass*

eternumpace: don't even get me started about what the lips are

o0-----bc-----0o: *looks at own ass........looks fer big wheelnuts attached to them*

darkcranium: you must have really strange lookin women where you come from etern

siane_silvermyst: yeah...stop while you're ahead eter *dying laughing*

velvt.: those are erogenous zones to keep us still while you entertain yourselves in the nether regions

pedaljockey: Actually it's true. Before our bipedal stage the ass was the primary thing that men saw of women.

eternumpace: ty, pedal jockey

velvt.: but it wasn't fat

pedaljockey: np

velvt.: so breasts wouldn't remind him of that

o0-----bc-----0o: *hurrah fer evelution*

velvt.: he'd be looking at a flat back, actually, with fur on it

eternumpace: do the evolution

eternumpace: a red posterior

o0-----bc-----0o: oh, ya met my sister then velvt

velvt.: the fat buttocks developed to keep a woman's tender equipment safe from sand and gravel

velvt.: lol BC

o0-----bc-----0o: grin

pedaljockey: Actually, culture more than nature dictates how men prefer breasts. Large bulbous breasts are considered bad to certain tribes while flat, long breasts are the prefered type.

velvt.: where is that? i think i need to move!

darkcranium: i thought the fat ass developed from eating to many cheeseburgers

o0-----bc-----0o: i aint bothered, as long as they silly cone free

eternumpace: female tenderloins are the rhythms of estrus handed to the fairer sex on behalf of an expanding savannah for the sake of safe child rearing

pedaljockey: I really don't have the energy to go scout for that book right now. lol

velvt.: thank you bc.... i can't help but wonder about all the men drooling over breasts shaped like over inflated grapefruits

eternumpace: is still thinking about bulbous breasts .oO

o0-----bc-----0o: ick..........dont want boobs that dont lat flat when she does

pedaljockey: Nah, not grapefruit. Tear shaped.

_xxx_d_xxx_: lol

o0-----bc-----0o: anything more than a handful is a waste

velvt.: pedal, read a book by elaine morgan called 'the descent of woman'... it's a great read on evolution that includes the 50% of the gene pool left out usually

darkcranium: im not picky any breasts will work for me

siane_silvermyst: damn, i have a waste then... and they real *sobs*

o0-----bc-----0o: ooooo elaine morgan.........i have met her

eternumpace: tits and ass are totems of the cultural statis of the male herd, its collapse and renunification in the transgender psyche of the agrarian age

o0-----bc-----0o: she came to my anthropology class

pedaljockey: That does sound interesting. Sounds like something I'd pick up.

velvt.: cool, BC... she's a great author... very enjoyable and readable

o0-----bc-----0o: she did the auqatic ape too

velvt.: oh for pete's sake, pace... no they aren't... we just learned to let men look and they learned to enjoy what they were allowed to see

darkcranium: that sounds like a bad 80's dance

velvt.: yep, BC... i think that's a great theory, myself

pedaljockey: Personally, a prefer smaller breasts......but I do admire a large set if the girl also has a pretty face.

eternumpace: velvt, why you gots to break my balls, dawg?

o0-----bc-----0o: me too, i think is very logical........i did a thesis on it

velvt.: cool, BC... i'd love to hear more

velvt.: pace, i just can't figure out where you're coming from today

eternumpace: the same place i always come from :-)

o0-----bc-----0o: just wish i could have gone to africa to the....oh godz, the island that was there but not there any more

myopic41: Hello everyone.  I am back for a short while.  How are you

velvt.: hey myo

siane_silvermyst: wb opic

eternumpace: myopic. you know me. i am how i am

velvt.: beats me, bc

eternumpace: well medicated

o0-----bc-----0o: that would have made my thesis perfect

velvt.: 'the island that was there but not there anymore'... sounds like a good title for something

darkcranium: lol

o0-----bc-----0o: oh well, i console meslf with having gone to stay with the yamano

eternumpace: velvt. you honestly believe that disruption of the male stasis prior to the agrarian age has nothing to do with the architecture of culture and its eroticiation of time?

myopic41: You are what you are and that is all that you are.

velvt.: <feeling very blond>

pedaljockey: But what are you?

siane_silvermyst: same here velvt

eternumpace: Ye Be Gods

pedaljockey: I dyed my hair blond to match my personality.......

velvt.: <filing nails>

velvt.: <curling eyelashes>

velvt.: <changing batteries>

o0-----bc-----0o: you would like a book written by one o my old profeesors velvt, Blood Relations, by Chris Knight

eternumpace: i am about one cunt hair from losing my mind

velvt.: you said something to me pace?

velvt.: lol

darkcranium: wow so this is what aloss looks like

siane_silvermyst: lol

velvt.: making a note of it, bc... thank you

darkcranium: thought it'd be greener

o0-----bc-----0o: is all about menstuation and the evelution of culture through womens mentrual cycles

myopic41: What will it take to push you over eternumpace?

eternumpace: that reminds me. i just entered menarch today

eternumpace: a warm breeze off a fetid pond, myopic

velvt.: <head thunks again>

darkcranium: got to run

pedaljockey: Got the runs?

eternumpace: hehehe

myopic41: Then you can send me a post card from the other end of the abyss.

eternumpace: hey. i like that. that's where Gilgamesh has to go, to the bottome of the oceanic abyss to meet Persephone

eternumpace: i'm mixing my mythos but you get my continental drift

pedaljockey: I was about to say.........

velvt.: i read a book called abyss once... science with photos about life in the ultra deeps

velvt.: lol @ continental drift

siane_silvermyst: it was a good stones tune...

siane_silvermyst: :)

myopic41: A monumental continental drift.

pedaljockey: unless.......yeah......that reference to Adonis being Gilgamesh.......

eternumpace: we are all dancing in patterns that make oceans move said continental wind to continental drift of hips and lips and totems out of time

velvt.: now that's a nice piece of writing, pace

eternumpace: sure , pedal jockey. works for me

velvt.: it flows

myopic41: I kind of liked it as well.

eternumpace: the first fucking palaver / echoed through my mind / like ages come and gone...we are all dancing...

o0-----bc-----0o: argh, that place is doin me head in, is in the great rift valley somewhere

pedaljockey: I know there's correlation between the babylonian myths and Adonis, just can't remember where........damn! Wish I had Graves here.......

eternumpace: feel the flow and light the fire, these demons talk with whom they do conspire to give the world a god

eternumpace: pedaljockey, i have some words for you: the masks of God: Creative Mythology by Joseph campbell

myopic41: Dancing to the rithym of the motion to the ocean as the winds asail the skies above

velvt.: you guys are ALL on a roll... i like it

eternumpace: avail me of your whimsy and i will poke your posey for a dollar

myopic41: spelling is going to be a problem.

pedaljockey: Read it...I think...been awhile. Got out of the myths after doing that whole thing about the relationship between Core-Persephone and Hades.

velvt.: naw, myo, not in creative writing

velvt.: bc... the island that used to be an island but isn't anymore that is in a valley... this will be an opus i think

eternumpace: save Himself / save Herself / save bloody time, which is the music gods create and none but gods can hear

velvt.: and not just any valley but a continent cracking valley

eternumpace: Islands Out Of Time by cultural historian, William Irwin Thompson is a good metafiction

eternumpace: as is anything by Doris Lessing

myopic41: They twist, they twirl as they whirl and whirl.  A shaking and quaking to the waves rise and fall..

velvt.: i read some lessing decades ago... just couldn't really get into it

eternumpace: myopic, i hope you are going to buy me dinner....

o0-----bc-----0o: hurrah........has remembered the place.........!!!, the Afar Triangle

eternumpace: "a briefing for a descent into hell" is in a league of its own

velvt.: another good title !

myopic41: Why should I do that?

velvt.: congrats, bc... that's a good feeling when the brain opens up like that

o0-----bc-----0o: yuh.....lol

eternumpace: because, myopic my orpheus, you are making me feel all mushy inside like when we used to climb the ropes in gym class

velvt.: mine went on strike a few years ago... seems to have gone somewhere without looking back

eternumpace: velvt lies. she is wicked smart

velvt.: just lose nouns all the time

myopic41: You would feel mushy on the outwide as well if you let go of the ropes.

velvt.: and forget who said what when

eternumpace: ha ha

myopic41: outwide/outside.

eternumpace: a posinegative dialectic of interiority and exteriority - life in the lizard house

o0-----bc-----0o: The oldest pre-human fossils (including the best known one, "Lucy") are called australopithecus afarensis because their bones were discovered in the afar triangle, and area of low lying land near the Red Sea. About 7 million years ago that area was flooded by the sea and became the Sea of Afar. Part of the ape population living there at the time would have found themselves living in a radically changed habitat. Some may have been marooned on off-shore islands - the present day Danakil Alps were once surrounded by water.

velvt.: my first memory of sexual sensation is climbing a pole... i was two or three

o0-----bc-----0o: ahhh, loves it when me brain remembers shit

myopic41: Behold, the nouns are loose.

eternumpace: RELEASE THE NOUNS!

velvt.: i'm impressed, bc

eternumpace: bc, was that off of the top of your head?

o0-----bc-----0o: *loves elaine.........she has the best theory*

o0-----bc-----0o: yuh, remembering me anthropology degree info

velvt.: bc, you are the only person i've stumbled across who has even heard of her

velvt.: i'm in love

o0-----bc-----0o: once i remember summut, it is a chain reaction

myopic41: Does anyone have a misnathroplogy degee?

myopic41: degee/degree.

velvt.: i am making great strides in my misanthropy major

eternumpace: velvt, did your grade 1 journal entry go something like "i was sliding up and down the pole today until my daddy told me to get dressed for dinner"

o0-----bc-----0o: well to me, the whole thing makes perfect sence i mean ya got apes that  may have lived in flooded forests, salt marshes, mangrove swamps, lagoons or on the shores of the new sea, and they would all have had to adapt or die.

velvt.: i wasn't in first grade when i was 3...and it was my mom that made me stop LOL

o0-----bc-----0o: well to me, the whole thing makes perfect sence i mean ya got apes that  may have lived in flooded forests, salt marshes, mangrove swamps, lagoons or on the shores of the new sea, and they would all have had to adapt or die.

ETERNUMPACE: that is absolutely fascinating, velvt. . sounds like oedipus and electra were bosom buddies in your house

eternumpace: she's back :-)

0_sugar_0: lol, yup, i broke under the pressure, and had some ice cream

eternumpace: yummy

0_sugar_0: yeah, been a long time since i've had any...ice cream could be addictive!

eternumpace: ice cream is good for you. it cleansed the petuitary

0_sugar_0: lol...if only that were true!

eternumpace: i have no idea. but just think what power of suggestion words have

eternumpace: i saw that film Bandits last night. in one part, billy bob thornton's character thinks the whole right side of his body has gone numb just because his partner tells him that if you can smell burned feathers you have a tumour

0_sugar_0: geeze...well, ive heard if you have a brain tumor in certain areas of the brain, you do 'smell' things that aren't there

eternumpace: yeah. i think that could be true

0_sugar_0: this is odd....just looked you up on locate, it says you are in pagan chat 2, which is where i am...but I dont see you here

eternumpace: i know. it rubbed me out again. i'm just in IM with you. i'll prolly try to refresh it in a few mins

0_sugar_0: kk

eternumpace: janie told me she was going to send me a copy of chat you two had with erotao a while back about heaven and earth

0_sugar_0: wow....i vaguely remember that chat...been a long time ago

0_sugar_0: erato was cool, very knowledgeable about the bible, greek texts, etc

eternumpace: she said he gave up chat for Lent :-)

0_sugar_0: lol

0_sugar_0: i know he did last year

0_sugar_0: for real

eternumpace: funny, a Greek scholar giving up such a novelle window into the Logos

0_sugar_0: ahhh....but you've forgotten the aspect of the spiritual....lent is about deprivation in honor of christ...greek scholar or not, he follows his religion and his spiritual faith

eternumpace: ontos, agape, thanatos, erotos, that's everything christ was about in the pythagorean triune of the human psyche. when mystical invades the practical you don't have sacred rite you have cultish deviation

0_sugar_0: when mystical invades the practical....hhhmm...interesting phrase

eternumpace: well, i sorta stuck my foot in it, but's a big Clubfoot as the greek story goes, political economy that saves me poking my eyes out for killing my heavenly father and sleeping with my heavenly mother *weg

0_sugar_0: hehe

eternumpace: no. i don't take anything away from erotao's piety. but i do miss the guy

0_sugar_0: had some brains betwixt his ears at any rate...interesting fellow

eternumpace: "they say" that religious observance benefits mental health across the board

0_sugar_0: some folks need 'religion' or the structure of religion

eternumpace: well that is why i was considering the eckankar church. there is a local branch in my town

0_sugar_0: i dont need much structure...a little is fine, as there is a purpose to rite/ritual, in helping you to attain a peaceful mind

0_sugar_0: really? cool beans!

eternumpace: why? have you tried it?

eternumpace: yeah. you said that doing your house chores worked for you. i find that too sometimes

0_sugar_0: no, just talked to velvt about it since she is eckankar

eternumpace: HU do you think you are??

0_sugar_0: me? no, velvt is eckankar

eternumpace: no. HU do you think you Are??

eternumpace: oh well. that didn't work :)

0_sugar_0: HU?

0_sugar_0: lol

0_sugar_0: ?

eternumpace: oh. you haven't been to the eck website i guess. there is an onling chorus of the song, HU

eternumpace: it is lovely

0_sugar_0: been there a loooooong time ago

0_sugar_0: dont recall that

eternumpace: the singer is the chorus. i heard that on tv of all places

eternumpace: try it. it works

0_sugar_0: hhhmm....okay

eternumpace: it is a very powerful song and very loving

eternumpace: do you have any children anxious to see the new star wars episode?

0_sugar_0: my sons, they love the whole star wars thing

0_sugar_0: have most of the books

eternumpace: hey. just reminded myself. i have a pic of myself. have you seen it?

0_sugar_0: seen you pic on your web page once

eternumpace: oh. good good. once is enough lol

0_sugar_0: aw....you are a doll hun!

eternumpace: I wish you could see me now. I am working on a Buddha belly

0_sugar_0: lol!

0_sugar_0: hehe, my hubby has a trucker belly...i think he's adorable and snuggly cause of it

eternumpace: a trucker belly is the same thing as a buddha belly

0_sugar_0: hehe, only without the guys in orange robes running around you

eternumpace: well, yeah

eternumpace: i told everyone in pagan chat about what you said about the breasts being erotically reminiscent of the ass during intercourse and they laughed at me

eternumpace: that is proof enough for me

0_sugar_0: lol...tell em Desmond Morris says its so

0_sugar_0: i just repeated the info...lol

eternumpace: i will next time

0_sugar_0: :o)

eternumpace: we think we are so complicated and advance but I swear every pivotal facit of the so called modern psyche can be traced to a few rainy warm weeks in Africa when it became apparent that a man was good for something besides sperm

0_sugar_0: redeemed just popped in....wonder if the dookie will hit the rotary oscillator now

0_sugar_0: aw...you fellas are great for stuff besides being a sperm donor! stuff like killing spiders...fixing cars...taking out garbage...lol

eternumpace: Pandora's box is sitting in a cave somewhere with a note inside saying, please please let me back into the male herd cultural stasis

0_sugar_0: lol

eternumpace: sometimes i am so obscure it physically hurts me

0_sugar_0: aw...then how come im not hurting? i get your humor 99% of the time!

eternumpace: thats goody to hear

eternumpace: Successful applicant must be able to stare blankly at computer screen for ungodly lengths of time and turn a phrase like the fauning edges of a grey moustache

0_sugar_0: hehe, nicely put

eternumpace: these people are not beautiful, beauty is how these people talk things well said.

0_sugar_0: beauty is etherial, hard to define

eternumpace: BEAUTY is contrary to action, like feeling

eternumpace: on the border of human and god

0_sugar_0: might be contradictory...but it doesn't nullify its existance

eternumpace: a hymn to intellectual beauty

eternumpace: but what if the null point is the very home of the spirit of existence?

eternumpace: for instance, cosmologists today know that the universe began out of nothing

0_sugar_0: null point...remember our conversation about the significance of the number zero? perhaps....the null point, is the zero, the lynch pin of our spiritual existance

eternumpace: sure. lol i'll buy that

0_sugar_0: lol

eternumpace: sounds like something trogon would say, that our awareness of the zero point of our multidimensional being is but a wave seperated in spaced time from the creation of all matter

eternumpace: in other words, we are in god and god is in us and god is myth just like our selves

0_sugar_0: works for me!

0_sugar_0: actually that is very close to wiccan ideas of god

eternumpace: and all that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream --d.h. lawrence

eternumpace: i know. i learned that from fay wicca

eternumpace: well, the person who taught me learned that from a Hawaiin shaman

0_sugar_0: really? didnt know you had read anything on faerie wicca

eternumpace: i am a fay witch

eternumpace: well, practicing anyway

0_sugar_0: didnt know that!

0_sugar_0: we are all witches in one sense or another

eternumpace: "a healthy priest makes all things sound"

eternumpace: yep

eternumpace: that is what everyone does, redeem the world, summons that mysterious sense of ultimate success from the blue black abyss of our covenant in light and sound

0_sugar_0: we are priest and penatent, martyr, saint, sinner, healer, warrior, creator, destructor...all and the same rolled into one

eternumpace: in the early days, your womb was the creator and the destroyer. sounds a lot simpler that way. womb and tomb

eternumpace: holy sepulchre

eternumpace: make thy death pledge, pay thy tribute, receive thy blessing, the triune that is the paganchrist we are

eternumpace: but i digress lol

0_sugar_0: lol

eternumpace: we are all faeries and the world's our silver screen

eternumpace: why didn't they call it the Film Actors Guild?

0_sugar_0: i wanna be the blue fairy if given a choice...lol

eternumpace: hey, what is Shegal?

eternumpace: have you heard of that thing or person?

0_sugar_0: sounds familiar....

0_sugar_0: not sure where ive heard it though

eternumpace: Dian-y-glas in fae wicca is the blue god, the Lord (or Lady)

eternumpace: i think it might be a famous painter or painting

0_sugar_0: no shit? my real name is a derivitive of Diana

eternumpace: the Huntress

eternumpace: or is that Artemis?

eternumpace: i think they are the same

0_sugar_0: diana the huntress, think they are the same idea, just one is greek the other roman

eternumpace: and the huntress kills Orion whose constellation is absolutely inundated with christ lore

0_sugar_0: hehe, yup!

eternumpace: i have some great research on that very subject

eternumpace: which confirms my own hypostheses

0_sugar_0: yeah?

eternumpace: that the constellation of Orion is pivotal to the history of the human race

eternumpace: did you know, for instance, that Orion is the only constellation visible from every land mass on earth?

eternumpace: Akkadian old names for Orion refer to it as a Lamb as well as of God

0_sugar_0: i wasnt aware of that hun...where did you find that info

eternumpace: and christ, the shephard was most likely signified by the star Beteulgeuse, which is in , lo, Orion

0_sugar_0: cool!

eternumpace: Beteulgeuse also known as the royal jewel of heaven because of its ruddy reddish tint

eternumpace: i've got loads of this stuff

eternumpace: its my hobby

0_sugar_0: good hobby to have!

eternumpace: Orion is also fabled to be the king of all the constellations

0_sugar_0: you could go on Jeopardy some day...win lots of cash from Alec Trebec! lol

0_sugar_0: always liked orion...

eternumpace: Betelgeuse is therefore also called the royal jewel of the king of heaven

0_sugar_0: and the connection to the great pyramids at giza too

eternumpace: no no no. my knowledge is very specific and utterly obscure, which, as it appears, it perhaps the only way to approach ancient knowledge in our society

eternumpace: yes. i have no doubth that intersteller interdimensional cultures informed early ancient man about many things during the reconciliation of our genetic code and its mysteries with the earth

0_sugar_0: hhmm...in a way i agree with you there...seems the farther you get from specifics...the bigger the picture gets, and you see it in a different way

eternumpace: the Plaiedes also figure high in this narrative

eternumpace: yes. thinking in patterns, astrologically, as i said before, in metaphorms, the human brain or human society for that matter being isomorphic in process to the macrocosm (cosmos), microcosm (soul) and mesocosm (body or daemon)

eternumpace: plato, actuallywas the first scietist to postulate a micromacrocosm, which as we know became the foundation for christian philosophy and theosophy

eternumpace: INtellect, then, is not so much trapped in the brain, but is a spirit which inhabits all three orders of reality

0_sugar_0: there you have an echo of the holy trinity...the three in one

eternumpace: this is confirmed by researcgh done by dr. stanislav grof and recorded in his book "the holotropic mind: the 3 levels of human consciousness"

eternumpace: again, then, we are personifications of the story of the cosmos (or even eternal reality) as such is a personification of human culture

eternumpace: this is the covenant promised by christ's death and hence the holy or whole-y ghost

0_sugar_0: cool

eternumpace: or as fae wicca says, love is a science and we are its scientists

0_sugar_0: interesting...the three levels....

eternumpace: 3 is a very big number

0_sugar_0: think there is a native american or perhaps eastern philosophy that says there is mind, soul and spirit as the third

0_sugar_0: yeah, very big number in may cultures

eternumpace: like 3 fingers for instance hehehe

eternumpace: that was baaaaaaad

0_sugar_0: lol!

0_sugar_0: dang hun...hate to cut this short...but have to take my daughters friends home

eternumpace: go. be a mom

0_sugar_0: you must have a brain like a sponge to keep all this info you have straight...bet you could be a member of mensa!

0_sugar_0: :o)

0_sugar_0: huggles! you have good stuff! always glad for the chance to talk with you

eternumpace: its an art not a bold act of geekdom

0_sugar_0: bye!

eternumpace: bye bye

0_sugar_0: lol

0_sugar_0: bye