During our 2nd talk Jay shared more of his personal pain.The talk we had here took place around Christmas time of 2004. Jay was obviously very angry with life, expressing to me his difficulties in dealing with all the pressures around him. I shared with him that one can learn to let go of anger and resentment,  but he then shared with me the only person who is watching over him is Jesus, the one who takes away his anger and selfish wants, because we, meaning us human beings do not understand. Following this very deep and significant statement I shared with that the whole concept of God and Jesus and human suffering and how we deal with any of that requires a lot of further exploration, so I shared with him that he would benefit from  doing some in depth spiritual and philosophical studies Jay: hey realize2actualize: hey there Jay: things suck.. realize2actualize: it can seem that way realize2actualize: but ultimately it is our response or inability to deal with whatever is happening to us which creates our reality Jay: true realize2actualize: it all comes down to this, how we respond to that which ultimately cannot be changed realize2actualize: but happy holidays anyway Jay: lol thank you realize2actualize: anytime partner Jay: happy holidays to you as well friend Jay: :) Jay: lol realize2actualize: thank you pal realize2actualize: so, what seems to be so sucky in your life? realize2actualize: not that I nor you could change any of that Jay: i dont know, really i just want to fly, let go, and bliss out.. realize2actualize: well then realize2actualize: what keeps you realize2actualize: ?? Jay: its just people, emotions, me..me and myself, fighting as usual.. realize2actualize: what are you holding on? realize2actualize: holding on to rather realize2actualize: letting go of your anger and resentment might be a good start realize2actualize: and this you can learn Jay: still confused as to what’s going on around me, people, friends, family..spirits?..the only person thats always there watching is jesus..the one who takes all the anger of our selfish wants, cause we dont understand.. Jay: i dont know.. Jay: which is true realize2actualize: well, I do know, which is why I suggested that Jay: he's there you know.. Jay: i know.. Jay: he's always there, just ask.. realize2actualize: well my friend, the whole concept of God and Jesus and human suffering and how we deal with any of that requires a lot of further exploration on your part in order to truly understand realize2actualize: Jesus is not who you make him out to be, nor is God realize2actualize: rather than living outside of you, both live right within yourself Jay: true.. realize2actualize: maybe you want to engage in doing some in depth spiritual and philosophical studies realize2actualize: Erich Fromm is definitely a writer I would highly recommend Jay: yeah i need to Jay: who;s that? realize2actualize: you should, and so you shall realize2actualize: he is a German writer, humanist, psychologist Jay: sounds cool, ill have to check em out.. Jay: i gotta go, Jay: see ya friend realize2actualize: k realize2actualize: good luck to you my friend