Killing Tips
last update 09 Nov 2002
One attack on creature:
attack = grope + weapon strength - creature armor
grope = STR + CON (with a small +/- range)
Weighted average weapon strength: used to rank weapons in table
W_avg = weapon strength * (1 - avg number of missed attacks/ total attacks)
Total avg weapon round = W_avg * total attacks
One average round on creature:
avg round = attack * avg number of successful attacks
note1: grope is equivalent to bare handed attack strength
note2: weapons with critical hits (about 10% of attacks) are averaged into the amt
note3: for weapons that miss the avg is assumed to be 20% misses, 80% hits
Weapons strength perform within certain ranges that are stable. The following table shows the ranges of weapons as well as fatigue use per attack. Rank is based on the weighted average (W_avg) see above.:
| Weapon Strength | |||||
| Weapon_______ | attack text | ||||
| Enchanted Staff (never misses) | avg 6750 | 1500 | fat 1.7 | Enchantment strikes the creature | |
| Enchanted Axe (never misses) | avg 6250 | 1000 | fat 1.2 | Enchantment strikes the creature | |
| Enchanted Scimitar (never misses) | avg 5750 | 500 | fat 1.2 | Enchantment strikes the creature | |
| Ultimate Jeweled Battle Axe | avg 6767 | fat 2.07 - 3.35 | Your mighty jeweled battle axe cleaves the foe | ||
| Repeating Crossbow of Accuracy (never misses) | avg 5450 | fat | crossbow bolts streak toward the creature | ||
| Enchanted Sword (never misses) | avg 5250 | fat 1.2 | Enchantment strikes the foe | ||
| Rod of Destiny | avg 6000 | fat 1.12 - 1.42 | Destiny binds the creature | ||
| Triumphant Jeweled Battle Axe | avg 5818 | fat 1.07 - 3.81 | Your mighty jeweled battle axe cleaves the foe | ||
| Enchanted Sabre (never misses) | avg 4750 | fat 1.2 | Enchantment slices the creature | ||
| Air Crystal Sword (critical hits are double) | avg 5500+ | fat 1 - 1.12 | The power of the air engulfs the creature | ||
| Aqua Sapphire Sword (critical hits are double) | avg 5500+ | fat 1 - 1.12 | The power of the water engulfs the creature | ||
| Earth Obsidian Sword (critical hits are double) | avg 5500+ | fat 1 - 1.12 | The power of the ground engulfs the creature | ||
| Fire Ruby Sword (critical hits are double) | avg 5500+ | fat 1 - 1.12 | The power of the fire engulfs the creature | ||
| Enchanted Short Sword (never misses) | avg 4250 | fat 1.2 | Enchantment slices your oponent | ||
| Superior Jeweled Battle Axe | avg 4780 | fat 1.18 - 2.65 | Your mighty jeweled battle axe cleaves the foe | ||
| Enchanted Daggar (never misses) | avg 3750 | fat 1.2 | Enchantment cuts the foe | ||
| Bow of the Equinox | avg 4247 | fat 1.19 - 3.03 | Your arrow strikes the creature | ||
| Enchanted Knife (never misses) | avg 3185 | fat 1 - 2.42 | Enchantment cuts the creature | ||
| Jeweled Battle Axe | avg 3750 | fat 1 - 2.78 | Your mighty jeweled battle axe cleaves the foe | ||
| Flaming Scimitar | avg 3500 | fat 1 | Flames burns the flesh of the creature | ||
| Sword of Darkness | avg 3000 | fat 1.22 - 1.46 | Darkness envelopes the creature | ||
| Jeweled Emerald Wand | avg 2523 | fat 1 | Glittery dust embalms the creature | ||
| Glowing Light Sabre | avg 2200 | fat 1 | You sword fades in and out of view as it peels flesh off your opponent | ||
| Battle Axe | avg 1720 | fat 1.02 - 1.69 | Your mighty battle axe cleaves the foe | ||
| Staff of the Desert Wind | avg 1575 | fat 1.14 - 1.53 | A gust of wind tears at the flesh | ||
| Dagger of the Night | avg 1436 | fat 1 | Your dagger slices through the night | ||
| Attack Rabbit | avg 800 | fat 1.17 - 1.44 | The Rabbit attacks with it's big nasty pointy teeth | ||
| Magi Staff | avg 800 | fat 1.05 - 1.55 | The skies turn dark as night as you raise the staff | ||
| Reindeer Antler's | avg 750 | fat 1.01 - 1.27 | You strike your foe with the sharp antlers | ||
| throwing axes | avg 315 | fat 1.10 - 1.26 | You launch your axe through the air | ||
| scimitar | avg 307 | fat 1.13 - 1.41 | Your scimitar slices through flesh like water | ||
| Ogre Club | avg 300 | fat 1.36 - 1.79 | You bash your foe with a dumb club | ||
| throwing dagger | avg 156 | fat 1 | You launch your dagger through the air | ||
| Rubber Duckie | avg 145 | fat 1.31 - 1.89 | You sqeak your rubber duckie at youre foe. It | ||
| Guard Sword | avg 143 | fat 1 | You swing your sword | ||
| morning star | avg 60 | fat 1.15 - 1.62 | You swing the huge weapon | ||
| war hammer | avg 55 | fat 1.04 - 1.71 | You club your foe | ||
| katana | avg 42 | fat 1.18 - 1.75 | Your Katana slices through flesh like water | ||
| mace | avg 27 | fat 1.06 - 1.31 | You heave the huge weapon | ||
| warrior sword | avg 27 | fat 1.01 - 1.25 | You sword shivers as you wack your foe | ||
| gleaming short sword | avg 22 | fat 1 | You sword fades in and out of view as it peels flesh off your opponent | ||
| desert knife | avg 17 | fat 1.15 - 1.30 | You blade | ||
| staff of eternity | avg 23 | fat 1 | A glimmering light radiates from your staff | ||
| Flaming Staff | avg 18 | fat 1.02 - 1.26 | Fire flows from your staff engulfing your enemy | ||
| sword | avg 14 | fat 1 | Your sword | ||
| pike | avg 11 | fat 1 | You pierce at your opponent | ||
| staff | avg 9 | fat 1 | You bash your opponent | ||
| knife | avg 9 | fat 1 | You dagger | ||
| starter weapons | avg 9 | fat 1 | You bone knife | ||
To find out a weapons strength, grope a monster. Find the average hit. Now...it must be the same monster, I like the hermit crab for my tests since I get to see a lot of data each round and don't have to worry about a major hit. Wield your weapon. Find the range of your hits. Subtract what you hit from when you groped the monster. What remains is what the weapon does. Very easy to figure out on the stronger weps, toughest on the weak ones as your grope range will have to be studied closely against what you are doing with the weapon.
Average calculation is taken by totaling all attacks from all rounds, then dividing by the total number of successful attacks from all rounds then subtract your grope amount. This provides a better measure of weapon strength between weapons. Sampling of 100 attacks should yield good results.
Fat usage per attack is calculated by dividing number of total attacks into the amount of fatigue lost in that round with a range revealed over several rounds. Thanks to Cb3 for help with fatigue testing and encouraging me to post it.
Ice scroll
dex * int / 150 damage added per level
or...
ice level needed to kill creature = (creature life *150) / (dex * int)
Fire Scroll
dex * wis / 200 damage added per level
or...
fire level needed to kill creature = (creature life *200) / (dex * wis)
2 Groping Carnage rings VS 2 Nova rings
when dex > (str + con + wpn str + 280) / 5.8
then 2 Groping Carnage rings will give more attack per round
Ok, now for monster armor. It's very easy to find out. Your grope is your str + your con. Grope a monster. the difference between what you hit and what you grope is the monster's armor. With tougher monsters you can use a wep, but then you've got to consider it's hit range. On very weak monsters, use short attack display. It will give you what you did in the 1 round.
Note: testing of higher grope levels using 2 GCrings shows that the creature armor remains constant per attack.
Update... from SoS guild
Advances in results are being made available as percentages in Tyrantdude's guide. Static amts for creatures will be added to my creature stats when i can find the time :)
A few important things I don't know yet. Lets say I grope a gypsy (sounds fun, hehe). I'm gonna get a small range of numbers. Now is the range smallest when str and con are the same number? Also, is the range always the same, will I get a +/- of lets say 15 against a gypsy, a zombie, a hermit crab? If so, then the monster armor is a set number. If not, then its also has a range.
