PANDEMONIUM  CREW
                   AOL Chat:  Carl, Steve, Iris & Franz.
                                                  The Kursk Incident
                                           (Revised, Published Version)

29th August, 2000


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iiiiriiiis has entered the room.
iiiiriiiis:Hi Franz!
iiiiriiiis:Steve is around, please invite him.
panta98:Hi! Nice to see you!!
iiiiriiiis:Same here, tanto tiempo sin un chat!
plasticsmith has entered the room.
panta98:Hi! Steve. Nice to see you!!!
iiiiriiiis:Hello, Good Evening, Steve!
plasticsmith: Hi Iris, Hi Franz
plasticsmith:How are you all?
panta98:Any Comets, any sinking Submarines, around, Steve?
plasticsmith:Not in my neighbourhood.
iiiiriiiis:Steve, thanks so much for this beautiful piece - "Stairway to Heaven", I enjoyed it! It's one of my favourites.
iiiiriiiis:...let me see.... no - no sub in sight, Franz
panta98:Iris, any scaring Blairs, any Queens around?
plasticsmith:I'm glad you enjoyed it but I wish the recording ability was a bit better.
iiiiriiiis:No more, Franz ;-) I sent them off to where they belong.
panta98:Iris, Steve is like me, he has fantastic, magical talents.
plasticsmith:I'd sing you a song as well, but I think Hanna would do a better job.
panta98:No, Steve -- with you Hanna makes a perfect duo!
plasticsmith:We are the Blues Dogs.
plasticsmith:Where is Carl?
panta98:What happened to Carl? Anybody seen him anywhere?
plasticsmith:He's not on ICQ.
iiiiriiiis:No, I didn't see him... maybe he has gone underground? This is really strange....
panta98:Strange, normally he's the first man on deck.
plasticsmith:So what is up with the Kursk and why is Russia self-destructive?
panta98:I invited him, but he's not available.
panta98:Perhaps, he's still in the museum, studying some declassified documents.
plasticsmith:Could it be, he is having computer problems.
iiiiriiiis:Maybe, Steve, or any "black-out" in NY?
panta98:No, his computer was topfit, we sent messages to each other this mrning.
panta98:Probably he got the "black-out".
iiiiriiiis: There is Carl!
panta98:Well, let me voice my opinion about Kursk until he comes.
plasticsmith:If NY had a blackout you can be sure the world would hear about it quickly.
iiiiriiiis: Invite him please, Franz
iiiiriiiis: Yes, sure Steve!
panta98:If you would permit me, I would love to air some basic issues and questions, and remark about some of them.
iiiiriiiis:Franz, did you invite Carl already?
plasticsmith: Please do, Franz
ScnWrt has entered the room.
iiiiriiiis: He is on AOL now.
panta98:Hundred thousands of similar incidents and accidents have occurred over the last decades, radio-active leaks, chemical poisoning, biological warfare experimentation, space travel accidents, and we were just informed about a mere dozen of them.
iiiiriiiis: Hello, good evening, Carl!
plasticsmith: Hi Carl
panta98: Hi! Carl.
panta98: I'll just finish my comments!
panta98:And these dozen were carefully selected, and they made global headlines, just like the soap-bubble, the y2k global scare. Until today, university students and erudite professors still believe that the assassination of "Franz" was the real, true cause of World War I. Franz Ferdinand, the then Austrian future King-to-be.
ScnWrt:Hi, folks: Sorry I'm late. Fixed plumbing emergency.
panta98:Don't worry, Carl. I started already, will finish my remarks.
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panta98:We were not far from the fairy tale that Kursk ushered in the nuclear holocaust or the decimation of billions of physical labourers of the Third Millennium. Gentleladies and gentlemen, a little bit of a more serious scientific and philosophic outlook!
plasticsmith: Plumbing problems are something that usualy require immediate attention.
ScnWrt has entered the room.
iiiiriiiis: Please post your last message again for Carl, Franz.
panta98:Why is the Kursk incident of special relevance, to the world, to the masses, to us?
panta98:What has it got to do with our emancipatory endeavours? Is it worth a chat at all?
panta98:Does it perhaps not fit in the rigmarole of "Bread and Games", or is being utilized as a "scape-goat" technique, to deviate from central issues, and plans of immediate massive destruction, of immanent global population-decimation?
plasticsmith:What are they trying to tell us by letting this one bit of information out?
panta98:If so, then it is worth of serious discussion. But, if it is another war-toy to disseminate favourite "conspiracy theories", the talk of the global village, and to pin-point some monstrous "Illuminati" again, well, then it not worth a single intellectual reflection.
ScnWrt: Secret experiment gone wrong with some top Russian officials aboard.
panta98: I, for that matter, identified at least 17 "theories", most of them of a "conspiracy" nature.
ScnWrt: Almost caused thermonuclear war.
panta98:A World War II bomb, A British torpedo, an American torpedo, a Russian attack, a collision with a natural stone, one placed there by the CIA, with an old wreck, with a submarine of Saudi Arabia, with another Russian submarine, ...
panta98:... a human navigation error, an effect of the unusual sun-spot activities, sabotage, a political manoeuvre of the Communist Party, punishment of God or Allah, an intervention of UFO's, a combined Russian-Nato "scapegoat" ploy, a "Third World War" provocation, etc.
ScnWrt: No conspiracy!
panta98:In all probability, none of them have anything to do with the real undramatic issue. Perhaps, due to the precarious Russian economic situation, there were not enough rubles to service a useless, senseless, obsolete war-dinosaur.
plasticsmith: It all just sounds like the same old cold war stuff to me.
panta98:In that case, why cry about spilled milk?
ScnWrt:Most likely testing hacker-type control of another sub's communications.
panta98:Carl, that was it, now you can take over!!!
iiiiriiiis: I'm following, please proceed, Carl.
panta98:Yes, proceed, Carl.
panta98:Steve, your opinion about "The Event"?
plasticsmith: My question is this...If they did not know if there was anyone alive inside the Kirsk, then how could they know the reactors were ok???
ScnWrt: Some world power might unleash a major war, and the opponent's defense system will be unaware of it.
panta98:Interesting, explain why you say this, Carl.
ScnWrt:They could probably see inside the sub - part of the test that went right.
plasticsmith:There is no doubt there were nukes on board..what happened to them? ...if there was an explosion big enough to sink the ship, I'm sure it would have damaged them.
panta98:Iris, don't forget to save the manuscript, in case I'm bumped off line unsuspectedly!
ScnWrt: I will also save it.
iiiiriiiis: Don't worry, Franz, I'll do so. Thanks, Carl.
plasticsmith: And then another of Russia's symbols burned up yesterday, knocking all TV transmission off the air ... how convenient?
ScnWrt:Tesla technology can defuse the nukes.
ScnWrt:The needle and the two diversions.
plasticsmith:I didn't see Tesla swimming around down there.
ScnWrt:Tesla particle beam weapon can cause the fire.
plasticsmith:Why didn't they show the damage on the front of the sub? They only showed a tight shot of the hatch.
panta98:Are you trying to say, that NASA had its little finger in the pie, underwater, Carl?
ScnWrt: High electro-magnetic energy can bend photons and act on other particles, causing invisibility to the eyesight, Radar, Sonar, etc.
ScnWrt: NASA et al.
plasticsmith:There is no doubt ... something big is being concealed  .... what and why?
panta98: Carl, what did Bill comment about the issue?
panta98: I didn't have the time to read your correspondence with him as yet.
panta98: Steve, why do you think so?
ScnWrt:He said it could be anything, but my points are credible.
panta98:Were they provoking a "Third World War"? And why now?
plasticsmith:All over the world people are guessing at what the conspiricy is .... I don't see the point. Just the fact that something big is going on is what is important.
panta98:Well, then, continue with your points.
ScnWrt: Not provoking World War III now, but to develop the ultimate information warfare control weapon.
panta98:You're right: something "big" is in the air.
plasticsmith:Could be that G. W. Bush needs the threat of a war to improve his election chances?
panta98:How do you sense it, Steve?
panta98:You know, you and I have that "ninth" sense.
plasticsmith: I know, Franz.
ScnWrt: vs. a wealthy 3rd world country, e.g., Iraq or Iran.
panta98: But why Russia?
panta98:The thing is moribund, it's bark is louder than it's bite.
plasticsmith:It was trauma based with me ... how did you come by your 6th sense?
panta98:Why not India or Pakistan, with their bombs?
panta98:Or Red China?
panta98:Or, as Carl says, Iraq&Iran?
plasticsmith:Russia is the wounded bear with thirty thousand nukes.
ScnWrt: Russia is next to Iran which is allied with Chechenya and other former Soviet Muslim countries.
ScnWrt: This weapon could scare China.
panta98:Inherited ftrom my great-great-grandmother -- she really had the PSI-Magic-Touch!!
ScnWrt:Imagine, Russia&USA, controlling China's major weapon system!
panta98:You mean to say, Carl, that the bear could run wild, or its Mafia, and could start playing "Cops & Thieves", or "Good Guys and Bad Guys".
plasticsmith:I know how to open up this " magic touch " but I wouldn't recommend it for your kids.
ScnWrt:The front hull of the sub may have shown damage due to Tesla technology - no sign of heat effects. ...
ScnWrt: ... like Tunguska in Siberia in the early 1900's.
iiiiriiiis:Carl, you mentioned that there has probably been going on some experiment - could you please indicate which kind of experiment you think has been conduced or "gone wrong"?
panta98:Me neither, Steve. The Truth is unbearable. I do not wish my enemy, not even some Bill C. to know the Truth.
panta98:He would wet his pants instantaneously.
plasticsmith:The truth will set you free or get you killed.
panta98:That's what Jesus promised the Christians, they went the other way: they killed themselves, and are still doing it, one by one.
panta98:Using the principle: Kill Thy Neighbour As Thyself!
panta98:The Zulu Paramount Chief, Chaka, had warned: "You will come to an end through killing one another".
ScnWrt: Iris, Steve - hacker type information control of opponent's communications or invisibility like Philadelphia Experiment of the 1940's.
plasticsmith: Could be that's what caused the explosion?
ScnWrt: Yep!
ScnWrt: High intensity electromagnetism can cause explosion.
plasticsmith:A Richter 3 explosion. I think if it was inside the torpedo room like they claim .... it would have blown the whole ship to hell. ...
ScnWrt:Not Richter 3, a small explosion ...
plasticsmith: ... along with the nukes.
ScnWrt:The technology neutralized the nukes.
plasticsmith:I don't believe you can neutralize plutonium.
ScnWrt:How come no description of the bodies of the Crew? That could reveal the cause.
panta98:So, the plan was to experiment how to neutralize the 30 000 Russian nukes, once and for all, Carl?
ScnWrt: You can neutralize the trigger.
plasticsmith: I think it's all over the ocean floor. Those poor fools you saw opening the hatch ...doomed like those who worked on Chernobyl.
panta98:Iris, still around? How can we "trigger" you off?
iiiiriiiis: Still around, Franz, I'm listening.
ScnWrt:How to neutralize China's, Iran's and Iraq's weapon systems.
panta98:Yes, Steve.
panta98:And thousands were doomed like that, in hundreds of nuclear experiments.
panta98:Those did not make head-lines. I wonder, why this special one?
ScnWrt: I think they could retrieve some bodies.
plasticsmith: Did yo see the picture when the hatch was opened. Big bubble and some sort of flash .... it was strange.
panta98:Could you perhaps give us an idea, why, Carl?
ScnWrt:Steve - Flash, big bubble -Tesla technology.
panta98:Steve, you really observed the "rescue" very well!
panta98:Was it perhaps not filmed in Hollywood?
iiiiriiiis: I didn't have had the time to follow the news and official discussion on TV/newspapers etc. on it, Steve ....
panta98:Of course, Carl. Why should they not use "Tesla Technology"?
plasticsmith:The fact that they didn't know if there was any survivors for days proves the lie. If they didn't know that, how could they claim to know anything about what happened inside?
panta98:For that reason, they stole Tesla Technology in the first place.
panta98:My problem is, how could we get hold of it, or of an even better one.
panta98:Don't forget, if they use Tesla Technology, then we've to find an excellent, superb  antidote.
panta98:Because now, it's no more Tesla Technology, it's NASA Technology.
panta98:That's our problem. Probably, we don't even need a labour product, "Technology", but only Historic Science and Philosophy.
ScnWrt:Bubble, flash-like on a TV screen or computer monitor if the device had a short  -Tesla technology drives these devices.
plasticsmith: Folks in Moscow must be asking even more questions .... .burn down the TV tower that should slow things down a bit. Give them time to get the story straight.
panta98:Steve, what they know, what they knew, and what they told you, the world, are two horses of different colours.
ScnWrt:Steve, they knew exactly what was going on from the start.
panta98:The one is called "Bread & Games", the other one is called "War Of The Galaxies".
plasticsmith:Of course, they did ..but will we ever know?
ScnWrt:They didn't want the crew to talk.
iiiiriiiis: Yes Carl, they surely did ...
panta98:We know the "truth" already: our only problem: "When shall we ever learn?" (Joan Baez).
plasticsmith:The point of all this to me, is that it proves the conspiratorial  nature of all this.
panta98:The whole thing is one great "conspiracy" against Nature, against anything historic, or human. It's the Labour Process, running wild!
panta98:Didn't you know that?
ScnWrt:Yep.
plasticsmith: I know that.
panta98:Where you look, as far as the eyes can see, there are "conspiracies", conspiracy at WORK!
plasticsmith: It amazes me how they can rub our faces in it and still no one realy questions it except the Pandemonium Crew!
panta98:The whole system conspires, day and night! It's in our element, in the arche, hydor, water, Captain Steve.
panta98: Just Blood and Dirt dripping from every single pore which the labour system possesses.
plasticsmith:What are we to do ... sit back and watch?
panta98:Well, Steve, Vic said it, because we're "intelligent".
panta98:Which means, that we can still THINK.
panta98:Who Thinks, Sees. You cannot see physically, without a mental "vision", without "theory".
panta98: Simple logics!
plasticsmith: Intelligence will get us into trouble!
panta98:We're already in trouble, no way of getting out.
panta98:Trouble is the air which we breathe, and it becomes oxygenless by the second.
plasticsmith:I think knowing the truth is not enough. ... If you know, then you must act, otherwise you are an accomplice.
panta98:There was a song in the 70's: Love Is In The Air, now: "Trouble Is In The Air"!
plasticsmith:Who knows what's in the air?
panta98:An accomplice is never in trouble, unless you go against your master.
panta98:Steve, you said it: ...
plasticsmith: I will have no master.
panta98: ... The only thing that we could do: is "to act otherwise".
plasticsmith: How?
panta98: I can assure you that we're developing the Science and Philosophy to "Act Otherwise".
plasticsmith: Soon, I hope.
panta98:Do it all by, of and for yourself, for Ourselves!
plasticsmith: That's what we are doing at this moment.
panta98: And, you still "hope"? What We Do Now & Here, that's otherwise. Otherwise, somebody else will do the acting for you!
panta98:Yeah! Yep!!
ScnWrt: Barbarism, as Marx predicted.
plasticsmith:Franz, did I understand correctly..someone tried to break into your computer?
panta98: Yes, the prediction of the very "obsolete" "Communist Manifesto"! And, you see how hard it is to get anybody else here, to act for oneself!
panta98:Yes, Steve.
ScnWrt:Franz, please check Jammer hacker detection now
panta98: Big Brother attacks already, even sprint.ca.
panta98: And BellSouth, BellAtlantic.
panta98: No, it's quiet!!!
plasticsmith:  This could have something to do with publishing my documents. Be careful!
ScnWrt: Mine is also quiet.
plasticsmith:How can I find out about an attack on my computer?
panta98: I'll check underwater for a more invincible defence system; I'll let you know about it later.
ScnWrt:Steve, Have hackers invaded your computer?
plasticsmith:I don't want to defend myself from this sort of invasion..I want to find out who it is!
panta98:While I opened your documents, and begun publishing them, that was the moment when sprint.ca flickered.
panta98:That was the first time ever! Strange!
iiiiriiiis: Sorry, gentlemen, I have to leave already, must get up within a few hours. Please make sure you save the chat, I saved this part already. See you next Tuesday, good night all - it was a pleasure. Taketh care!
plasticsmith: I don't know, Carl
panta98:Don't forget, Khalid is a customer of sprint!
panta98:Yes, Iris. I know you're exhausted. I'll send you the whole manuscript later.
plasticsmith:  Good Nite, Iris!
panta98:Bye, Irislein!
ScnWrt: Apparently, Netbuster and Jammer have limitations, but I suggest keeping them - scare many hackers away
ScnWrt:Gute Nacht, Iris!
panta98:No, we don't have better defense than them at the moment.
iiiiriiiis:Thanks Franz, greetings to Jutta&Stella, bye! Bye, bye, Carl and Steve, greetings to Fran and Sonoko.
panta98:By all means, keep them!!!
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plasticsmith:If someone can get into my files....how can I get into theirs'?
ScnWrt:Steve, you gotta become a hacker to do this!
panta98:Carl, you want to remark something still about our topic?
plasticsmith:I'd sure like to hack into Barker's e-mail..
panta98:Any further comments, Steve?
panta98:I'm sure we could, but then we'll get into real trouble.
plasticsmith:We have no answers to the Kursk incident, only endless questions.
ScnWrt:I referred to the hacker situation in line with my presumption about the Kursk.
panta98:And, it won't be worth the trouble.
panta98:We know what's in there.
panta98:We don't even have questions, Steve.
panta98:Not questions which really matter.
panta98:Or could you formulate a relevant question for us in this respect?
ScnWrt:Franz: I think the details will reveal current trends.
panta98:Yes, Carl. But you know these trends already, since months we speak weekly about them.
panta98:Or, are there new ones already?
ScnWrt:Relevant question: What is the current state of the art of information warfare technology?
plasticsmith:Well something is up in the continuing cold war story. Well find out after the US elections where it is going.
panta98:Carl, who asks this question?
panta98:Who is interested in asking such a question?
panta98:Why ask this question?
plasticsmith:Gotta go folks ... damn customers again.
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panta98:When, in any case, we never ever were trained in the art of information, or even in  "The Art Of Loving" (Eric Fromm).
ScnWrt:People like us who want to know how to deal with the situation will ask thius question
panta98:Warfare Technology, it started with the stone axe, went to the bow and arrow ... and now with Tesla Technology. Well, that's it.
ScnWrt:Steve, good night. Regards to Sonoko.
panta98:Carl, the lights are flickering dangerously, perhaps we should end also.
panta98:Let's continue with this theme, next time.
ScnWrt:Yep. I'll save the chat
panta98:A Black-Out is approximating.
ScnWrt:Salud, amor, pesos!
panta98:I have the complete chat, will send it to everybody, just now.
ScnWrt:Regards to Jutta. Bye.
panta98:Carl, thanks for being there, for being you!
panta98:I enjoyed our chat.
panta98:Gute Nacht!
ScnWrt:I also have the transcript
panta98:Regards to Fran, from Jutta and me!
panta98:Bye!
ScnWrt has left the room.
panta98:Send it to me too, in case something happens.
panta98:Just as a safe copy!
panta98:Bye, Carl.


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