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15 MR. CORGAN: Your Honor, we’d call Debra 16 Aubrey. 17 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 18 DEBRA K. AUBREY 19 after having been duly sworn to tell the truth, the whole 20 truth, and nothing but the truth, testified as follows: 21 DIRECT EXAMINATION 22 THE COURT: Proceed. 23 BY MR. CORGAN: 24 Q State your name, please, ma’ream. 25 A Debra K. Aubrey.
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1 Q Miss Aubrey, what is your business, profession, or 2 occupation? 3 A I’m a secretary. 4 Q Are you employed with a particular company? 5 A Phillips Petroleum Company. 6 Q Miss Aubrey, I’m going to need you as best you can, 7 please, ma’am, to speak up. I’m having problems hearing 8 you, okay? 9 A Okay. 10 Q If we need to adjust that microphone, we will. How 11 long have you been employed with Phillips Petroleum 12 Company? 13 A Five years. 14 Q And are you assigned to a particular group or 15 section? 16 A Comptrollers compliance accounting. 17 Q And what are your duties and responsibilities there 18 in that section? 19 A I serve as a secretary. I do the typing and answer 20 the phone. 21 Q Can you tell us how many people you would work with 22 in that general area? 23 A Twelve. 24 Q Miss Aubrey, do you know the defendant in this case, 25 Stephen Lee Allen?
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1 A Yes. 2 Q And how are you acquainted with him? 3 A I worked with him. 4 Q And could you tell us, please, ma’am, during what 5 period of time you worked with Mr. Allen? 6 A From July of 1986. 7 Q Until when? 8 A Until June of 1990. 9 Q And how would you describe your relationship with Mr. 10 Allen? 11 A We worked together. 12 Q Anything more than that? 13 A We were friends. 14 Q Anything more than that? 15 A Close friends. 16 Q Anything more than that? 17 A Could you be more specific? 18 Q Call your attention to August of 1989. Would you 19 tell us the type relationship you had with Mr. Allen at 20 that time? 21 A We became very close friends. 22 Q How was that close friendship expressed between the 23 two of you? 24 A We talked a lot. 25 Q Did you do anything more than talk?
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1 A Yes, we did. 2 Q What did you do? 3 A We had a physical relationship. 4 Q Would you tell us, ma’am, on how many occasions? 5 A About six. 6 Q And would you tell us the type of physical 7 relationship that you had? 8 A Could you be more specific? 9 Q During those six times that you had a physical 10 relationship, did you have sexual intercourse -- 11 A Yes, we -- 12 Q -- with Mr. Allen? 13 A Yes, I did. 14 Q And where did those relationships take place? 15 A At his home and at my home. 16 Q Anywhere else? 17 A In Tulsa. 18 Q Where in Tulsa? 19 A At a motel. 20 Q And would you tell us, please, ma’am, during what 21 period of time you had that relationship? 22 A The last week in August of 1989 through the first 23 week in January of 1990. 24 Q And what happened in January of 1990? 25 A Because of moral and religious reasons, I felt that
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1 it was wrong; and we had a mutual agreement that we would 2 end it. 3 Q How was that determined that the relationship the 4 physical relationship would end? 5 A We talked about it, and we both felt the same way. 6 Q Where did you talk about it? 7 A At work. 8 Q How did you talk about that? 9 A In person. 10 Q In person as opposed to through letter or notes or 11 other means? 12 A Yes. 13 Q After the relationship ended in January of ‘90, would 14 you tell us the relationship that the two of you shared 15 from that point on? 16 A We remained friends. 17 Q And could you give us examples of what that 18 friendship entailed? 19 A We would talk occasionally. 20 Q How would you talk? 21 A As friends. 22 Q But, I mean, in what method? 23 A We would just talk or -- I’m not sure what you mean. 24 Q Did you have occasion to talk with each other via the 25 PROF system?
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1 A Yes. 2 Q And did you have occasion to share notes of a 3 personal nature with each other through the PROF system? 4 A Yes. 5 Q And when you all would talk with each other, can you 6 tell us what type things the two of you would talk about? 7 A The things that were going on in our lives just about 8 work, about our kids, about just things. 9 Q Did you have occasion to share with each other 10 problems that you each experienced in your life? 11 A Yes. 12 Q And did Mr. Allen share with you problems that he was 13 experiencing in his life? 14 A Yes. 15 Q Would you tell us what he told you in that regard? 16 A Basically that his wife wasn’t interested in a 17 physical relationship part of marriage. 18 Q Did he explain to you what he meant by that? 19 A I suppose. 20 Q Well, tell me what he told you. 21 A Just that she didn’t seem interested. 22 Q Interested in what? 23 A In the physical relationship between a man and wife. 24 Q Did he give you examples of how she was not 25 interested?
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1 A I,m - 2 Q That may be a poor question. Did he give you 3 examples of how her lack of interest was evidenced to him? 4 A Just that at times she seemed distant to him. 5 Q Did he discuss with you how she would react to a 6 touch or a kiss or a hug or those type things? 7 A Many times, she wouldn’t respond. 8 Q She would? 9 A Would not respond. 10 Q Would not respond. What about as far as the sexual 11 relationship between the two of them? Did he discuss with 12 you her feelings in regard to that? 13 A Just that she didn’t seem to be interested. 14 Q Did he tell you how Mrs. Allen was responding in 15 general towards him at that time? 16 A Just that at times she seemed distant. 17 Q Did he explain to you what he meant by “distant” or 18 how Mrs. Allen evidenced that to him? 19 A Just that maybe if he would try to give her a hug or 20 something, she maybe pulled away from him or -- 21 Q Did he give you any other examples of problems or 22 concerns that he had with his marriage? 23 A No. 24 Q That was it basically? 25 A Yes.
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1 Q Now, Miss Aubrey, calling your attention back to 2 1989, in the spring or summer area, did you have occasion 3 to be involved in a car accident? 4 A In 1990? 5 Q It’s in 1990? 6 A Yes. 7 Q Would you tell me just a little bit about the facts 8 and circumstances surrounding that? 9 A I was with my husband and two kids in his pickup, and 10 a car was going to turn. 11 But they had not gotten into the turning lane. 12 They had remained in the regular traffic. And my husband 13 ran into them. 14 Q What is your husband’s name? 15 A Charles. 16 Q And was anyone injured in that accident? 17 A No. 18 Q Did it cause any type of damage to your vehicle? 19 A Yes, it did. 20 Q What did it do to the vehicle? 21 MR. CARLSON: Your Honor, I’m going to 22 object. I don’t see the relevance. 23 MR. CORGAN: It is relevant, Judge. 24 THE COURT: Go ahead. 25 Q (By Mr. Corgan) You may answer.
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1 A I think it did about $3,000 of damage to our vehicle. 2 Q Did you have occasion to discuss that particular 3 incident or matter with Mr. Allen? 4 A Yes. 5 Q So he was aware of that? 6 A Yes. 7 Q Now, in regard to these PROF’S notes, you tell us 8 that you had occasion to discuss personal matters with 9 each other on the PROF system? 10 A Yes. 11 Q And would that be of the same general nature that 12 you’ve already told us about sharing with each other 13 problems in your life or work or those type things? 14 A Yes. 15 Q And did you have occasion to communicate with each 16 other quite a bit through that system? 17 A Yes. 18 Q Miss Aubrey, the person you know as Stephen Lee 19 Allen, do you see that person in the courtroom today? 20 A Yes, I do. 21 Q And for the record, would you tell us where he is? 22 MR. CARLSON: Your Honor, we stipulate that 23 Mrs. Aubrey knows who Steve is. 24 THE COURT: So reflect. 25 MR. CORGAN: That’s all.
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1 Q (By Mr. Corgan) Thank you, ma’am. 2 MR. CARLSON: Bear with me one moment, Your 3 Honor. 4 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 5 CROSS-EXAMINATION 6 BY MR. CARLSON: 7 Q Miss Aubrey, did Steve ever tell you that he loved 8 you? 9 A No, he didn’t. 10 Q Now, you said that you and Steve mutually decided to 11 end your physical relationship; is that correct? 12 A Yes. 13 Q You said that was based upon moral and religious 14 reasons; is that correct? 15 A Yes. 16 Q Tell us how that came about. 17 A I guess in church on Sunday morning, it just really 18 hit me that it was really wrong; and I knew I couldn’t do 19 it anymore. So -- 20 Q And did Steve feel that same way? 21 A Yes, he did. 22 Q And did you and he sit down and talk about that? 23 A Yes. 24 Q Now, did you and Steve ever talk about Steve’s 25 children?
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1 A Yes, we did. 2 Q Could you share with us your conversations about 3 Steve and his relationship with his children? 4 A He talked about his kids a lot. He was very proud of 5 them. He always told not only me, but everyone in the 6 office the things they did. 7 And it was very obvious to everyone that he 8 loved his kids. 9 Q What did Steve tell you about his intention so far as 10 his marriage? 11 A He told me he loved his wife and said, although they 12 did have problems in that one area, that he would never 13 give up trying. 14 It was too important to him and for his boys’ 15 sake that he wouldn’t quit trying. 16 Q And when did he tell you that? 17 A He told me that on more than one occasion. 18 Q And at what point in time did he tell you that 19 relative to the day that Sandra was killed? 20 A Within the last few weeks. 21 Q Did you talk with Steve on June the 11th, 1990, the 22 date that Sandra was killed? 23 A For just a few minutes. 24 Q And where did you talk to him at? 25 A At work.
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1 Q Tell us about that conversation. 2 A He just mentioned -- it was right before quitting 3 time. He mentioned that he was going to go home and mow 4 his yard. 5 And he asked if my children had a ball game, 6 which I indicated my little girl did. And that was about 7 the extent of it. 8 Q Did you ever have any problems in your marriage? 9 A Yes, I did. 10 Q Did you and Steve talk about those? 11 A Yes, we did. 12 Q What was Steve’s attitude towards you and your 13 marriage? 14 A He encouraged me to stay in my marriage and try to 15 work things out with my husband. That it was too 16 important, especially for the kids’ sake. 17 Q Did you or Steve either one make any plans to be 18 together? 19 A No, we didn’t. 20 Q It’s been brought up, Miss Aubrey, the issue of PROF 21 notes. I want to hand you what’s been marked State’s 22 Exhibit 60, and I want to ask you about some of those. 23 If I could, I would like to ask you to turn to a 24 note which is dated 5-1-90; and at the bottom, it says 25 page 42.
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1 MR. CORGAN: Your Honor, I’m going to 2 object as being beyond the scope of direct examination. 3 If Mr. Carlson would like to make her his 4 witness, that’s fine; but it’s beyond the scope. 5 MR. CARLSON: Your Honor, he’s the one that 6 brought up the issue of PROF notes. 7 THE COURT: Overruled. Go ahead. 8 Q (By Mr. Carlson) Did you find that note, Miss 9 Aubrey? 10 A Yes. 11 Q Within that note, there is a -- in the second 12 paragraph, there’s a phrase. Says, “After the things I 13 was told last night.” Do you see that? 14 A Yes. 15 Q Now, this is a note from Steve to you; is that 16 correct? 17 A Yes. 18 Q Would you tell us your recollection of that 19 particular PROF note? 20 A The best I remember was that his wife had said that 21 she was happy with the way things were. She didn’t plan 22 to change. 23 Q And on down in that PROF note, there’s a phrase. If 24 you will follow along with me, says: 25 I’m going to try hard to do what you feel
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1 needs to be done, but I’m going to need 2 your help. 3 What’s your recollection of your conversation 4 with Steve in that regard? 5 A There were times when I felt like that I talked about 6 my own personal problems to him quite a bit and that maybe 7 I shouldn’t to put all my problems on him also. And he 8 was just saying that if that’s the way I felt -- 9 Q Did you feel like at times you were burdening him 10 with your problems? 11 A Yes. 12 Q And is that what you had -- what you feel like he had 13 reference to that you and he talked about here? 14 A Yes. 15 Q I might ask you to pull the microphone just a tad bit 16 closer. 17 A (The witness complied with the request). 18 Q Thank you. Then there’s a phrase in that note, Miss 19 Aubrey, that says “then I would be willing to do 20 anything.” 21 What’s your recollection of your conversation 22 with Steve in regard to that particular phraseology. 23 A My best recollection is that, that he would do 24 whatever I felt was the best for me. 25 Q And what did he have reference to from your
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1 conversation with him as being best for you in that 2 regard? 3 A If I felt like I was burdening him down too much with 4 my problems, if that I -- but I think that he felt that I 5 needed someone to talk to about my problems. 6 Q Another line in that PROF note where it says: 7 In fact, it’s because I care that I’m 8 willing to give up so much for myself. 9 Tell us your recollection in regard to that - 10 particular note. 11 A He needed someone to talk to also, but he was -- 12 would do whatever was best for me. 13 Q Now, let me direct your attention to another note 14 written that same day, 5-1-90. At the bottom, it says 15 page 43. Do you find that? 16 A Yes. 17 Q Give you a minute to look at. But there’s a phrase 18 in there. It says that “the tape you promised.” 19 A (The witness nodded her head up and down). 20 Q Can you tell us what that had reference to from your 21 conversation with Steve? 22 A I had made a tape of several religious songs that I 23 shared with him that were some of my favorites. 24 Q I’m sorry. What type of songs? 25 A Religious.
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1 Q Were those ones from church? 2 A Yes. 3 Q Are you active in your church? 4 A Yes. 5 Q Which church is that? 6 A First Assembly of God in Dewey. 7 Q On down in that particular note, give you a moment to 8 look at it; but there’s a phrase that says: 9 Maybe I’ll tell you what went on 10 last night sometime. 11 Can you tell me from your conversation with 12 Steve what that had reference to? 13 A What I remember is that their VCR had broken. He had 14 rented a tape; and when he got ready to use the VCR, there 15 had been something spilled in it. And it was broken. 16 Q That’s what he meant by “what went on”? 17 A Yes. 18 Q Let me ask you to look at the next -- or another 19 note. 20 MR. CORGAN: Excuse me, Judge. If we’re 21 going to go through the notes one by one, I’d ask that 22 Miss Aubrey read each one so that we might hear them in 23 the context as opposed to selective words and phrases. 24 Again, we object as beyond the scope of direct 25 examination.
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1 THE COURT: This is cross. They’re all in 2 evidence, so they’re all before the jury at least will 3 be. It’s appropriate cross-examination. 4 MR. CARLSON: Thank you, Your Honor. 5 Q (By Mr. Carlson) In the note of May the 3rd, 1990, 6 at the bottom, is says page 44. 7 THE COURT: What was that date again? 8 MR. CARLSON: May the 3rd, 1990, 5-3-90, 9 Your Honor. 10 Q (By Mr. Carlson) Give you a moment to look at it. 11 Let me direct your attention. There’s a phrase that says 12 “things that I have been told lately.” 13 What’s your recollection in regard to what you 14 and Steve talked about in regard to that PROF note? 15 A He had been told that as far as the physical 16 relationship between him and his wife that they weren’t 17 compatible. 18 Q On down there, it says this: 19 I guess you sense that I’m somewhat 20 different because I’ve never had someone 21 tell me outright. 22 What was your conversation with Steve about 23 that? 24 A He was coming to accept the way his wife felt about 25 the relationship, and he was just learning to accept it.
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1 Q Was he down to the point where he accepted it and 2 going to go on? 3 A Yes. But he said he wasn’t going to keep trying to 4 work things out. 5 Q I’m sorry? 6 A To work things out in that area, he wouldn’t quit 7 trying. 8 Q He would not quit trying? 9 A Right. - 10 Q There’s a phrase where he says: 11 I’ve told you about my little bout with 12 jealousy. 13 What was your conversation with Steve in that 14 regard? 15 A There was someone in the office that I was talking 16 with quite a bit. 17 Q What did you and Steve discuss in that regard? 18 A He just wanted to make sure that he and I would 19 remain friends. 20 Q Did he talk with you about that? 21 A Yes. 22 Q Now, there’s a phrase at the end of that particular 23 PROF note that says “please come see me at 3 for a 24 Rancher.” 25 A Yes.
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1 Q What does that have to do -- what’s that -- in that 2 regard, what was your conversation? 3 A It was Jolly Rancher candy, one of my favorites. 4 Q Let me ask you to look at a note dated May the 17th 5 of 1990. At the bottom, it says page 161. 6 MR. CORGAN: Your Honor, I’m going to 7 object in going through these. These have been admitted. 8 The jury has not had an opportunity to see these 9 displayed to them. He’s not putting them in context that 10 they’re there. 11 THE COURT: Overruled. Go ahead. 12 Q (By Mr. Carlson) There’s a -- now, this is a note 13 from Steve -- or I’m sorry -- from you to Steve; is that 14 correct? 15 A Yes. 16 Q And I find this language: 17 We really do have a lot to be thankful for 18 (health, homes, jobs, etc.) 19 Now, what were your conversations with Steve in 20 regard to this note? 21 A We both felt like that we did have a lot to be 22 thankful for. The things we mentioned, health, homes, and 23 jobs, we were thankful. 24 Q I’m sorry? 25 A We were thankful.
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1 Q You also wrote “we have been forgiven.” What did you 2 have reference to? 3 A To the affair that we had had. 4 Q Would you look at a note dated again, the same day, 5 May the 21st, 1990. At the bottom of it, it says page 53. 6 With regard to a statement -- and this is a note 7 from Steve to you; is that correct? 8 A Yes. 9 Q And in there, there’s a statement: 10 I have been feeling these things for the 11 last two years but have kept them hidden. 12 What was the conversation between you and Steve 13 in that regard? 14 A He and his wife had had problems with their physical 15 relationship for several years, but he had never really 16 said anything about it or brought it out. 17 But he finally came to realize that there was 18 really no reason for them to have these problems and that 19 they should work on that area of their life. 20 Q Let me ask you about the next note or another note 21 that’s May the 22nd, 1990, and says page 55. This is a 22 note from Steve to you; is that correct? 23 A Yes. And you’ll look there, and you’ll see this 24 statement: 25 I know where I need to be, and I know you
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1 understand but I’ll still miss it. 2 What’s the conversation between you and Steve? 3 What does that have reference to from your recollection? 4 A I think we were going to go to lunch together that 5 day, and his son had a school picnic. And so he was going 6 to go there instead. 7 Q This is a note he wrote to you across the mail 8 system? 9 A Yes. 10 Q Look at a note dated 5-29-90. It has at the bottom 11 page 60. Do you find that one? 12 MR. CORGAN: Page number? 13 MR. CARLSON: I’m sorry? 14 MR. CORGAN: What page? 15 MR. CARLSON: Page 60. 16 Q (By Mr. Carlson) Do you find that, Miss Aubrey? 17 A Yes. 18 Q Within that note, there’s this statement and I 19 want to ask your recollection of your conversation with 20 Steve about this item. 21 And this is -- again, this is a note from Steve 22 to you; is that correct? 23 A Yes. 24 Q I went to bed by myself with the ceiling 25 fan on medium and the window wide open all
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1 night and slept. When I woke up this 2 morning, I was still all by myself. 3 What’s your recollection of your conversation of 4 you and Steve in that regard? 5 A Sometimes when one of their boys would have trouble 6 going to sleep or something, they would sleep with his 7 wife; and he would sleep by himself. 8 Q There’s a note dated May 31st of 1990. It’s page 66 9 at the bottom. Did you find it? 10 A Yes. 11 Q In there it says “he was up at all hours of the 12 morning.” What was your conversation with Steve in that 13 regard? 14 A He usually stayed up late to work on church work, and 15 that’s what he was referring to. 16 Q There’s a note dated June the 1st, 1990. Has page 17 181 at the bottom. 18 And there’s a phraseology, says “or closer to 19 the 23rd.” What was the conversation with Steve? 20 A He received his 10-year service award on this day, 21 but his actual anniversary date would have been the 23rd, 22 10-year anniversary with the company. 23 Q Were you and he planning to go to lunch that day? 24 A I invited him to lunch because of his 10-year 25 anniversary.
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1 Q That would be the 10-year anniversary at Phillips? 2 A Yes. 3 Q There’s a note, again, dated June the 1st, 1990; and 4 it has page 69 at the bottom of it. 5 And in that note, there’s this language, “If you 6 like, I’ll call and explain to him.” What’s your 7 recollection of that? 8 A I did take him to lunch on his 10-year anniversary 9 with the company. 10 And on the way back across the street from our 11 office, we ran into my husband. And we both said hi and 12 talked for a few minutes and went on. 13 Q Any problems? 14 A No. 15 Q There’s a note dated June the 4th of 1990, with page 16 70 at the bottom of it. Do you find that one? 17 A Yes. 18 Q In the third paragraph and this is a note written 19 by Steve, is it not? 20 A Yes. 21 Q And Steve wrote to you. Said: 22 Mine wasn’t so good, but that’s nothing 23 new, I worked and I tried, but still I got 24 chewed. 25 What were your conversations with Steve about
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1 that? 2 A I can’t recall. 3 Q I’m sorry? 4 A I can’t recall. 5 Q Was it anything major that you can think of? 6 A No. I’m sure if it was, I would have remembered. 7 Q There’s also a note that same day, June 4th, 1990, at 8 page -- it’s labeled page 71. 9 And there’s reference in that particular note. 10 that -- You need a moment to look at it? -- where Steve 11 says I got into a major fight with her and went and found 12 some ribs. 13 Do you remember the conversation you had with 14 Steve in that regard? If you do, would you please tell us 15 what it was? 16 A I never had the impression they ever had any major 17 fights because usually, she just wouldn’t talk. 18 Q Is that the way that Steve would describe a fight, a 19 major fight is that they just didn’t talk? 20 A Yes. 21 Q Had he described that on more than one occasion? 22 A Yes. 23 Q Situation where when they had a disagreement, they 24 just didn’t communicate? 25 A Yeah. She
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1 MR. CORGAN: Your Honor, I’m going to 2 object to counsel testifying. 3 THE COURT: Sustained. 4 Q (By Mr. Carlson) Is that the way Steve described it 5 to you? 6 A Yes. She just wouldn’t talk. 7 Q There’s a PROF note dated 6-6-90 at page 72. In 8 that, there’s -- it’s a note from Steve to you, is it not, 9 ma’am? 10 A Yes. 11 Q And down at the bottom, it says, “Read it and believe 12 it! I hope it helps”? 13 A Yes. 14 Q And in the note, it describes emotions, for instance, 15 to down and depressed; is that correct? 16 A Yes. 17 Q What’s the -- what was your recollection of your 18 conversation with Steve about that note? 19 A Because of the problems in my marriage, many times I 20 was pretty down; and he wrote this to me to encourage me. 21 Q I’m sorry? 22 A To encourage me. 23 Q Okay. There’s a note dated June 7, 1990, with page 24 74. 25 A Yes.
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1 Q Did you find it? 2 A (The witness nodded her head up and down). 3 Q And in that particular note, it had reference “happy 4 birthday to you.” It’s from Steve to you; is that 5 correct? 6 A Yes. 7 Q And down at the bottom, he says “Happy Birthday, 8 Signed with Love;” is that correct? 9 A Yes. 10 Q And what’s your recollection of your conversation 11 with him about “Signed with Love”? 12 A We were friends. It was just signed with love as one 13 friend to another friend. 14 Q Is “love” a word that’s used around your church? 15 A Yes. 16 Q Is “love” a word that’s used around the Assembly of 17 God Church with regard to one person to another? 18 A Yes. 19 Q And at your Assembly of God Church, do you hear 20 people say to another one I love you, John? 21 A Yes. 22 Q Did you feel like or were you ever told by Steve that 23 he loved you like you love a wife? 24 A No. 25 Q Were you ever led to believe that?
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1 A No. 2 Q There’s a note dated June the 11th, 1990; and it’s 3 page 78. In there, there’s a statement. And this is a 4 note from Steve to you again; is that correct? 5 A Yes. 6 Q It says: “Saturday afternoon and evening was 7 real strange.” 8 A Yes. 9 Q Can you tell me what your conversations were with 10 Steve about that statement “Saturday afternoon and 11 evening was real strange”? 12 A What I recall is that on Saturday evening, his wife 13 was suppose to be home before nine o’clock. 14 She had assured him he would be home that she 15 would be home before nine o’clock. And she hadn’t arrived 16 by that time, and he was concerned. 17 And I think her mother had called to see if 18 she’d made it home yet. And he was concerned because she 19 was late. 20 And when she did come home, she seemed to be 21 bothered about something. And he asked her, you know, why 22 she was so late. 23 She said she had stopped by the Apple Tree Mall 24 to check on her dad’s things. 25 And he had said that why didn’t she come home
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1 first and then they could have all went together. 2 And she seemed upset and took the baby and left 3 and went to the store, I believe. 4 Q There’s an additional note of June the 11th, 1990; 5 and it’s page 193. And it’s written from you to Steve; is 6 that correct? 7 A Yes. 8 Q Within those notes, there’s this statement that you 9 make. “I just can’t seem to shake these feelings that I 10 have.” Tell me about your conversation in that regard. 11 A Because of the problems I was having in my marriage, 12 I would be up and down. 13 One day, I would be really up and think I can 14 make it through these problems. 15 And the next day, I would feel like I don’t know 16 if I can make it or not. 17 And those were the feelings I couldn’t seem to 18 come to grips with. 19 Q Those were the feelings that you were communicating 20 to Steve that you couldn’t come to grips with; is that 21 correct? 22 A Yes. 23 Q And you make another statement: “I just don’t know 24 what is going on with me right now.” What did you mean by 25 that?
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1 A There were many times that I just felt like I needed 2 time just to think and to be by myself because of the 3 problems I was having in my marriage. 4 And I believe that was what I was referring to. 5 I just needed some time. 6 Q Let me ask you to look at the last note which is on 7 June the 11th, 1990, on page 80. And this is a note from 8 Steve to you; is that correct? 9 A Yes. 10 Q And the statement is made there, “All I know is that 11 I care a lot.” Tell us about that. 12 A He knew how up and down I was about my marriage, and 13 he was just telling me that he cared about what I was 14 going through. 15 Q Did you and he talk about that? 16 A Yes. 17 Q He goes on in the note. He says: 18 I’ll bear with you always as long as I know 19 that I’m wanted.” 20 Tell us about that conversation. 21 A It just goes back to I felt like that I burdened him 22 sometimes with my own problems, but he was a good friend. 23 And he would remain my friend as long as I needed someone 24 to talk to. 25 Q Did you talk to him about the fact that when he says
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1 that “I’m wanted”? Did you talk with him about that? 2 A Yes. 3 Q Is that what you mean, as long as he was wanted as a 4 listener, as a friend? 5 A Right, yes. 6 Q You specifically talked about that? 7 A Yes. 8 Q And there’s this statement, 9 I hope you know how special you are and 10 that I want to help. 11 What conversations did you have in that regard? 12 A We were special friends, and he cared about me and 13 what I was going through. 14 And if he could help me in any way just by 15 listening, then he wanted to do whatever he could. 16 Q Let me hand you, ma’am, what’s been marked as State’s 17 Exhibit 61. 18 Direct your attention to a page which has a 25 19 up in the corner of it. And there’s a phrase at the very 20 bottom of this that says: 21 Isn’t it kind of ironic to you that God 22 spared your family in the wreck but not 23 your possessions? 24 Did you and Steve -- did you find that? 25 A This isn’t the right --
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1 MR. CORGAN: Counsel, it’s 21. 2 Q (By Mr. Carlson) I’m sorry. Twenty-one. Excuse me. 3 What did I say? Twenty-five? 4 A (The witness nodded her -head up and down). 5 Q I’m sorry. I’ll read the phrase again. Says: 6 Isn’t it kind of ironic to you that God 7 spared your family in the wreck but not 8 your possessions? 9 And, first off, can you tell us what this is? 10 A I believe this was a note that he was going to send 11 to my husband. 12 Q And was it ever sent? 13 A Not to my knowledge. 14 Q Can you tell us, did you and Steve talk about the 15 fact that he had written a proposed note to your husband? 16 A No. 17 Q Can you tell us within the note the tenor of the note 18 and what Steve is saying to your husband -- his proposed 19 note? 20 MR. CORGAN: Your Honor, the note speaks 21 for itself. We’d request that she read the note. 22 Speculating for her to interpret the tenor. 23 THE COURT: Sustain the form of the 24 question. 25 Q (By Mr. Carlson) Would you go ahead and read the
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1 note? 2 A I have sat back and watched this 3 foolishness long enough. When you finish 4 reading this you’ll have a choice to make: 5 to stop and consider some of the thoughts 6 or toss it in the trash and mumble about 7 it. Regardless of what you do, you won’t 8 be able to say that people didn’t care 9 about you. How much longer are you going 10 to drag this mess out? How much longer do 11 you think your family can continue to live 12 this way? That must be a living Hell. Do 13 you have any idea why your family hasn’t 14 left you already? I’m guessing that deep 15 down inside, they still love you and have a 16 little hope that you’ll wake up before they 17 can’t take it any longer. Why would they 18 stick around if they didn’t think you were 19 too far gone? I’m sure that if you made 20 the effort, they would meet you more than 21 half way. It appears to us that you are on 22 the verge of losing everything in your life 23 -- wife, kids, respect, friends -- 24 everything! We don’t want to see that and 25 surely deep inside you don’t either. Isn’t
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1 it kind of ironic to you that God spared 2 your family in the wreck but not your 3 possessions. Shouldn’t that give an 4 indication of what 5 Q And then the note is not finished? It just ends with 6 “what”? 7 A Yes. 8 Q To your knowledge, did your husband ever receive this 9 particular note, ma’am? 10 A No. 11 Q Let me direct your attention to the State’s Exhibit, 12 which also has a memo; and it’s labeled up the right-hand 13 corner 15. Do you see that number written up there? 14 A Yes. 15 Q Can you tell us what the memo is? Is that a letter, 16 or is that a memo that came across the -- written to you 17 or how did that happen? 18 A It was probably written and handed to me. 19 Q Do you know why this was written to you from your 20 conversation with Steve? 21 A Yes. 22 Q I’m sorry? 23 A Yes. 24 Q Can you tell us why it was written to you? 25 A I had told Steve why do you bother with me because I
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1 have so many problems. Why do you remain my friend 2 because I probably just drag you down because I’m so up 3 and down all the time? 4 And he wrote this note saying that he would 5 remain my friend as long as I needed one. 6 Q In there, he says, “Is that what you really want for 7 me to go away?” What was the conversation in that regard? 8 A I had just said if I was you, I wouldn’t put up with 9 me. I’d forget me and my problems. 10 Q It says in there: “Lady, I’m here with you for the 11 duration.” What was your conversation with him in that 12 regard? 13 A That as long as I had problems and needed someone to 14 talk to that he would, he would be there as my friend. 15 Q And at one point, it says: 16 And especially after (sic) night -- I think 17 they will always be there. 18 What was that conversation? 19 A His wife had told him that as far as their physical 20 relationship, that she wasn’t going to change. That she 21 was happy the way things were. 22 Q And he states: 23 I’m tired of it because I want to see this 24 situation to an end.” 25 What was your conversation with Steve in regard
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1 to “this situation to an end”? What does that have 2 reference to from your recollection or your conversations? 3 A He was tired of seeing me down and depressed all the 4 time because of what I was going through. 5 And he wished I could get my marriage problems 6 worked out so that I could be happy. 7 Q Did he tell you that? 8 A Yes. 9 Q Now, there’s a page numbered 16. Do you find that? 10 A Yes. 11 Q And in there, it says: “After reading the enclosed 12 memo -- And tell us, first, what this is again? 13 A This was a note to me that he gave to me with the 14 memo we just went over. 15 Q Now, I notice it’s entitled: “To: Debbe, From: A 16 special friend.” 17 A Yes. 18 Q It says: 19 After reading the enclosed Memo and you 20 still want me to leave you alone, well, I 21 guess I’ll just have to deal with that 22 then. 23 What conversations did you and Steve have about 24 that? 25 A It refers back to when I said -- I’d made the mention
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1 that with my problems, you should just leave me alone. 2 And he’s just saying after I read the, memo, if 3 that’s still the way I feel, then, then, you know. 4 Q Okay. He goes on, and he says -- -there’s a comment 5 down towards the end. 6 It says: “By the way, has your rabbit died?” 7 Do you recall what that was about? 8 A Yeah. He was referring to some Easter candy that he 9 had brought back from across the street. And he was -- 10 that was his way of asking me if I had eaten it yet. 11 Q Now, there’s a memo number 21 we covered. That was 12 the one that you read; is that correct? 13 A Yes. 14 MR. CARLSON: Bear with me just a moment, 15 Your Honor. 16 Q (By Mr. Carlson) When was the last time that you 17 talked with Steve, Mrs. Aubrey? 18 A June the 11th, 1990. 19 Q And approximately what time? 20 A About, around five o’clock. 21 Q Just as you were getting off work? 22 A Yes. 23 Q That’s when he told you he was going to go home and 24 mow the lawn? 25 A Yes.
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1 Q Thank you. 2 THE COURT: Redirect? 3 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 4 REDIRECT EXAMINATION 5 BY MR. CORGAN: 6 Q Miss Aubrey, your memory’s improved, hasn’t it, 7 ma’am? 8 MR. CARLSON: Objection, Your Honor. 9 That’s not a question. Ask that it be stricken. 10 THE COURT: Sustained. 11 Q (By Mr. Corgan) Miss Aubrey, have you and I had 12 occasion in the past to attempt to talk about the PROF 13 notes? 14 A Yes. 15 Q Do you recall back prior to the preliminary hearing 16 being in my office with Mr. Mason? 17 A Yes. 18 Q And we attempted to talk about the PROF notes at that 19 time, didn’t we, ma’am? 20 A Yes. 21 Q And you were having some memory problems then, 22 weren’t you? 23 A Yes. 24 Q And your memory has improved now, hasn’t it? 25 A You never furnished me the notes to look at.
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1 Q Ma’am, you didn’t, you didn’t want those notes to 2 look at, did you? 3 A You made mention before I left on that occasion that 4 you would get the notes to me to study, and you never did. 5 Q So you received the notes, and you’ve had an 6 opportunity to study those. 7 A I have read the notes, yes. 8 Q When did you have an opportunity to do that? 9 A I went over them Tuesday evening. 10 Q Tuesday evening? 11 A Yes. 12 Q Well, now we had occasion to talk, when was it, 13 Saturday afternoon? 14 A Yes. 15 Q At my office? 16 A Yes. 17 Q And we attempted to talk about the notes then, didn’t 18 we? 19 A Yes. 20 Q Did you request -- have any concern about the PROF’s 21 notes at that time? 22 A You didn’t offer to give them to me, and I didn’t ask 23 for them. 24 Q Why didn’t you ask, ma’am? 25 A I don’t know.
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1 Q Didn’t seem important? 2 A I don’t know. I didn’t. 3 Q How is it that you had occasion to review those on 4 Tuesday? 5 A They were furnished to me by the defense. 6 Q And you read those at that time? 7 A I have read them, yes. 8 Q And that helped refreshed your memory as to the 9 context of these notes? 10 A Yes. 11 Q Now, you’ve told us on cross-examination that Mr. 12 Allen never told you he loved you; is that right? 13 A That’s right. 14 Q Did that surprise you? 15 A No. 16 Q Why not? 17 A There was never any reason for him to. 18 Q Well, he told you -- he signed a birthday card with 19 love, didn’t he? 20 A I don’t recall how it was signed. 21 Q Well, wasn’t that one of the PROF’s notes? Happy 22 birthday? 23 A Oh, you mean the PROF’S notes? 24 Q Yes, ma’am. 25 A Yes, signed with love.
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1 Q And you didn’t find that to be strange, did you? 2 A I just knew that it meant as a friend. 3 Q And part of the reason you knew that was because that 4 was the way you talked in your church. 5 A Because we were just friends, and I just I knew 6 what he meant. 7 Q Well, ma’am, you shared something deeper and more 8 special with him than just friendship, didn’t you? 9 A It was only as friends. 10 Q And it didn’t surprise you that as the two of you 11 would share the most intimate relationship a man and a 12 woman can have that he never said to you he loved you? 13 MR. CARLSON: We would object. Leading, 14 Your Honor. 15 THE COURT: You may answer. 16 THE WITNESS: Pardon? 17 THE COURT: You may answer. 18 A It didn’t surprise me because we didn’t love each 19 other as you’re referring to. 20 Q (By Mr. Corgan) You were just having sex? 21 A That’s right. 22 Q Did you find that to be satisfying? 23 A Yes. 24 Q And he found it to be satisfying. 25 A I’d guess you’d have to ask him.
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1 Q Well, he told you he found it to be satisfying, 2 didn’t he? 3 A He indicated to me, yes. 4 Q In fact, you both were -- felt good that you didn’t 5 have problems. 6 MR. CARLSON: Your Honor, we’re going to 7 object to the argumentative and leading nature of the 8 question. This is not cross-examination. She’s his 9 witness. 10 THE COURT: She’s answered. 11 Q (By Mr. Corgan) Now, you’ve told us the physical 12 relationship ended when? 13 A The first week in January of 1990. 14 Q So all of these notes that we have before us would 15 have been written after the physical relationship had 16 ended. 17 A That’s correct. 18 Q Miss Aubrey, I’ll hand you State’s Exhibit Number 60. 19 Call your attention to the first page there, page 7. 20 Would you tell us who that note is to? 21 A It’s to me. 22 Q And who is it from? 23 A From Steve. 24 Q When was it written? 25 A The 26th of January.
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1 Q At what time? 2 A 9:17. 3 Q And what does that note say? 4 A “Fear thou not; for I am with thee: Be not 5 dismayed, for I am thy God: I will 6 strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; 7 yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand 8 of my righteousness. Isaiah 41:10 9 Q Would you tell us the context of that particular 10 note? 11 A It was written to me because of the problems I was 12 going through, and it was an encouragement to me. 13 Q Move on to the second page. When was that note 14 written? 15 A May the 1st of 1990. 16 Q At what time? 17 A 8:02. 18 Q And who is that note to? 19 A To me. 20 Q Who is it from? 21 A From Steve. 22 Q Now, can you tell me, ma’am, if Mr. Allen ever had 23 occasion to travel as part of his work? 24 A Yes. 25 Q And do you know if between January and May of 1990,
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1 he had occasion to be gone out of state as a result of his 2 work? 3 A Yes. 4 Q And where did he go, and when was he gone? 5 A He went to Portland, Oregon. It was probably in 6 March of that year. 7 Q Now, does that note of 5-1-90 at 8:02 have a subject? 8 A Yes, it does. 9 Q And what does that say: 10 A “I’ll need your help.” 11 Q Read us that note, please, ma’am. 12 A Debbe, I going to try hard to do what you 13 feel needs to be done but I am going to 14 need your help. If you will not totally 15 ignore me and shun me and not try to avoid 16 me, then I would be willing to do anything 17 (include climb a mountain) for you. You 18 have enough worries without me being a 19 crybaby! After the things I was told last 20 night, I am still going to need to see a 21 smiling face. A happy Debbe will make 22 Steve feel lots better. And I understand 23 that you can’t be happy all the time. 24 Maybe I have smothered you too much and if 25 so I’m sorry. I do care so much. In fact
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1 its because I care that that I’m willing to 2 give up so much for myself if you think it 3 will help you. Some of the things I was 4 told last night are truly amazing and it 5 will take me a long time to get over them 6 if I ever do. And if I have to do that 7 without any help from you then I’ll just 8 have to do that. I still hope to be the 9 best friend you ever had and hope that 10 you’ll continue to have a special place for 11 me. I’m crying so I had better stop! I 12 promise to keep a stiff upper lip and a 13 cheery smile. Please help me and I’ll do 14 my best to help you. You’ll always have a 15 friend back here who is rooting for you and 16 believes in you. This is not a good-bye, 17 its a good morning! See you in a minute 18 and at the meeting at 10. Later ‘gator! 19 Q I believe on cross-examination, you had told us that 20 you felt like you were bringing Mr. Allen down; is that 21 correct? 22 A Yes. 23 Q Well, from the context of this note, did you ever 24 have the feeling he was smothering you? 25 A No.
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1 Q You didn’t get that impression. 2 A I never had that feeling. 3 Q So what do you think he meant when he said there: 4 Maybe I have smothered you too much and if 5 so I’m sorry. 6 A It’s probably because at times, I kept my -- tried to 7 keep my thoughts to myself, my problems to myself. 8 And maybe he felt like that at times, he was -- 9 he felt like I needed someone to talk to and that maybe he 10 tried too hard sometimes to help me with my problems. 11 Maybe I just wanted to be left alone sometimes. 12 Q Now, he says in therE: 13 some of the things I was told last night 14 are truly amazing. 15 What did you tell us the context of that was? 16 A It was about the physical relationship between him 17 and his wife. 18 Q Do you know how they had talked to each other about 19 that? 20 A Just a little. 21 Q And how had they done that? 22 A You mean, what was their conversation? 23 Q Yes. 24 A I know that he had tried to do special things for her 25 and that she had said that she wasn’t going to change, was
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1 content. 2 And he tried hard to work on that part of the 3 relationship, but he didn’t seem to be getting any 4 response from her. 5 Q What was your impression of Mrs. Allen’s attitude 6 towards sex with her husband? 7 A That she just wasn’t interested in a physical 8 relationship. 9 Q Are you aware that he wrote her-a letter about that? 10 A Yes. 11 Q Did he talk to you about that? 12 A He told me that he had written her a letter, but he 13 did not show it to me. 14 Q And did he tell you when in relation to this note of 15 May 1, ‘90, that he wrote her the letter? 16 A I can’t recollect the timing. 17 Q Do you know if they discussed the letter the night 18 before? 19 A Not to my knowledge. 20 Q Let’s move on to the next page. What’s the date on 21 that memo? 22 A May l 23 Q What time? 24 A 8:45. 25 Q And who is that from?
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1 A It’s from Steve to me. 2 Q Read that to us, please. 3 A Great!! I’ve been hoping for quite some 4 time that I would get 5 Q Excuse me. Start with where it says “Subject.” 6 A Oh. 7 Subject: I’ll need your help. Great!! 8 I’ve been hoping for quite some time that I 9 would get the tape you promised. I do know 10 that you are hurting and I want to be a 11 comfort to you -- not a burden. But the 12 thought of completely losing all touch of 13 you was the heaviest thing I have ever 14 carried around! We are not losing each 15 other. I now know that! We will have each 16 (sic) other to when we need them. Thanks 17 for thinking about me and wanting to make 18 the tape for me. I also just wanted to say 19 that I did not plan that last night 20 (showing up at the light just as you went 21 to cross Frank Phillips Blvd.) I’m sorry 22 if I made you uncomfortable. Maybe I’ll 23 tell you what went on last night some time. 24 By the way, the furniture did come. Thanks 25 for lifting my spirits!!
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1 Q Will you explain to us the context of meeting you at 2 the stop light? 3 A I have to cross Frank Phillips to go to my car; and 4 probably, as I recall, he was -- came to the stop light 5 about the time I was ready to cross. 6 Q Now, you’re not alone in doing that, are you? 7 A In walking to my car? 8 Q Lots of folks cross Frank Phillips. 9 A Yes. 10 Q What was the problem with you crossing at the same 11 time Mr. Allen arrived? 12 A I don’t recall. 13 Q Pardon me? 14 A I don’t recall. 15 Q When you had occasion last Tuesday to read through 16 this note, did you think about that then? 17 A No. It didn’t have any great impression that I 18 thought about it. I didn’t think -- it didn’t mean 19 anything to me. 20 Q Does it mean anything today? 21 A No. 22 Q You don’t recall having any conversation with him 23 about that? 24 A No, I don’t. 25 Q That’s just a blank.
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1 A Yes. 2 Q Let’s move on to the next page. What date is that 3 note? 4 A May 3rd. 5 Q What year? 6 A May 3rd, 1990. 7 Q What time? 8 A 1341. 9 Q What time is that? 10 A 1:40. 11 Q Pardon me? 12 A 1:40. 13 Q Who is that note to? 14 A To me. 15 Q From whom? 16 A From Steve. 17 Q Would you read that to us, please? 18 A This started out as a note but became too 19 long! There is nothing bothering me or on 20 my mind that I can’t or haven’t already 21 told you. I don’t have anyone else that I 22 can be completely open with and there is no 23 reason for me to hold back from you. I 24 guess you sense that I am different because 25 I have never had someone tell me outright
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1 things like I have been told lately. It 2 has been a real jolt! There is nothing 3 inside me that is trying to get out that I 4 can’t say to you. Nothing. Sometimes I 5 believe that you want to, but have a hard 6 time believing that I am completely honest 7 with you. The fact is, I am being 8 completely honest with you (and myself) and 9 you are not use to that. If I wasn’t 10 completely honest, I could never have told 11 you about my little bout with jealousy. I 12 know I don’t have any right to feel that 13 way but sometimes that’s the way it is. I 14 NEVER want to keep you from having other 15 friends! I just want to keep you as my 16 friend!! To sum this “message’ up, I guess 17 you are seeing or “sensing” a little 18 difference in me because I’m reacting (or 19 learning to react) to some things that I 20 have been trying to say weren’t really 21 there. But when they are said straight to 22 your face, you have to face up to them. I 23 know you understand that more than I and I 24 hope that you won’t read any more into it 25 than that. “I know in whom I hath
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1 believed, and am persuaded that He is able, 2 to keep that which I’ve committed, unto him 3 against that day” That may be paraphrased 4 but its close! I do know that I need and 5 want to talk at noon and other times when 6 we have the opportunity. And I do try to 7 be sure I have the opportunity. If it 8 doesn’t work out on a particular day I’ll 9 miss it but there will be tomorrow. I 10 don’t want to “smother” or “threaten” you. 11 I want you to know I want to do the things 12 I ask or suggest. It’s that simple. It 13 will probably take you a half of day to 14 wade through this but I wanted to get it 15 out. And see, there is really nothing to 16 get out!! If this seems a little 17 disjointed or like a scatter-brained, then 18 you have finally learned how my little 19 pea-brain works!! Please come see me at 3 20 for a Rancher! (Come earlier if you wish!) 21 I’ll quit for now!! I care - Believe it. 22 Q And is that signed? 23 A “Steve Allen.” 24 Q Now, he says in there: 25 I am being completely honest with you and
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1 myself and you are not use to that. 2 Can you explain what he meant by that? 3 A The part that I’m not use to it is because there’d 4 been many times my husband hadn’t been honest with me. 5 And he’s saying that he is honest with me. 6 Q And then he goes on and says: 7 But when they’re said straight to your 8 face, you have to face up to them. 9 Is that referring to Mrs. Allen’s attitude about 10 the sexual relationship? 11 A Yes. 12 Q Now, in addition to these notes, did you all 13 communicate to each other back and forth in between times 14 between these notes? 15 A You mean, did we talk in person? 16 Q Yes. 17 A Yes. 18 Q And that is part of the way you that can tell us what 19 these notes mean and what they involve? 20 A Yes. 21 Q Let’s move on to the next note. What is the date on 22 that? 23 A May 17, 1990. 24 Q What time? 25 A 8:55.
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1 Q Who is that to? 2 A It’s to Steve. 3 Q Who is it from? 4 A From me. 5 Q Starting with the subject, would you read that to us, 6 please? 7 A Subject: Good Morning!! Good morning to 8 you too! I pray that this will be a great 9 day also. I’m going to try hard too. 6. 10 For me - I get to see you. 7. We really 11 do have a lot to be thankful for (health, 12 homes, jobs, etc.) 8. We know God CAN 13 work miracles. 9. We know God has 14 everything in control and knows just where 15 we are. 10. We have been forgiven!!! 16 “Let us not become weary in doing good, for 17 at the proper time we will reap a harvest 18 if we DO NOT GIVE UP” (Galations 6:9) 19 Have a great day !!!!!!! 20 Q Now, it goes 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10. Are there 1, 2, 3, 21 4, and 5? 22 A Yes. 23 Q And what were those 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5? 24 A I don’t remember exactly what they were. They were 25 what Steve had written to me.
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1 Q Well, as best you recall, what were his 1, 2, 3, 4, 2 and 5? 3 A They were on the same -- along the same line as what 4 I had written here. 5 Q Let’s move on to the next note. What date is that? 6 A May 21, 1990. 7 Q What time? 8 A 1407. 9 Q Who is that note to? 10 A It’s to me from Steve. 11 Q Would you read that to us, please. 12 A SUBJECT: Thanks Thanks for: being a 13 friend, for listening, for sharing, for 14 caring, for understanding and most of all, 15 for being someone with whom I can be myself 16 with. All these things make you very 17 special to me. If the truth would be 18 known, I have been feeling these things for 19 the last few years but have kept them 20 hidden. Believe me when I say that for me 21 to open up to you the way I have has been 22 something that I never dreamed I could do. 23 You are such a help right now in my life 24 and I want to be the same for you. I have 25 always tried to be honest with you and I
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1 want to keep it that way. I don’t know why 2 I’m a little “blue” today but that’s the 3 way it is. Hopefully, I’ll get kicked 4 sometime this afternoon and switch gears. 5 Thanks for being yourself around me. That 6 makes me comfortable when I know you aren’t 7 “putting on” for my sake. Like you said, 8 that’s what friends are for (now I will be 9 thinking of that song the rest of the 10 day!). You told me once that I was a 11 dreamer. That’s probably true. However, 12 you have to have an imagination to be a 13 dreamer. And I don’t want to ever lose 14 that. I guess this seems like I’m rambling 15 (which, of course, is the truth). I guess 16 thats the way my mind is working (if you 17 can call it that!) today. You don’t have 18 to put on any “airs” with me and I don’t 19 feel like I have to with you either. 20 That’s one of the things that’s so neat. 21 We each have the other to confide in and 22 know that we aren’t going to get beat over 23 the head about anything. I sometimes think 24 that so much has been pent up inside of me 25 over the last years that everytime I get
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1 (sic) a little out, there is a whole lot 2 more that wants to come out. I don’t want 3 to drown you - just maybe get you a little 4 wet. I do want you to get me wet too. 5 Well, I’m rambling again so I’ll shut the 6 faucet off for a while. Thanks for being 7 there! Steve Allen 8 Q Did he explain to you what he meant by so much had 9 been pent up inside of him over the last years and letting 10 a little out? 11 A He and his wife had had problems with their physical 12 relationship for several years, and he had always just 13 accepted it. 14 And when he finally started talking about it and 15 facing up to it, I believe that’s what he was referring 16 to. 17 Q Let’s move on to the next page. What date is that 18 note? 19 A May 22, 1990. 20 Q What time? 21 A 7:51. 22 Q Who’s that to? 23 A It’s to me from Steve. 24 Q Would you read it to us, please? 25 A Just a short note to say “Howdy” this
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1 morning! I always like to be the first to 2 tell you! I know you are busy responding 3 to everyone on Profs each morning so I’ll 4 wait until after you get through your 5 morning “mail” to talk to ya. Hope your 6 evening was good and the kids did well at 7 their ballgames. I always like to hear 8 about them!! Later ‘regator!! Steve Allen 9 Q Go do the next page. What date is that? 10 A May 22, 1990. 11 Q What time? 12 A 11:45. 13 Q Who is that to? 14 A To me from Steve. 15 Q Read that to us, please. 16 A SUBJECT: NOON I’m going to miss our time 17 together! I know where I need to be and I 18 know you understand but I’ll still miss it. 19 I don’t know if I don’t think I can survive 20 without it or that I want to believe that 21 you need me! (Really, I know you’ll do 22 fine without me!!) I do hope you have a 23 great lunch because you’re a great lady!! 24 Also: beautiful, charming, captivating, 25 generous, lovely, kind, thoughtful,
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1 appreciative, wonderful, fun, warm-hearted, 2 caring, enticing, “kicky”, honest, 3 courteous, loyal, open and just an 4 all-round fun person to be with and have 5 for a friend!! Steve Allen 6 Q Now, did I understand you to tell Mr. Carlson that 7 the context of this was that the two of you were not going 8 to have lunch that day because Mr. Allen needed to attend 9 a school function of his son? 10 A Yes. 11 Q So we’re just talking about lunch that one day? 12 A In this note, we are, yes. 13 Q Let’s move on to the next note, please, ma’am. What 14 date is that? 15 A May 25, 1990. 16 Q What time? 17 A 8:23. 18 Q Who is that to? 19 A To me from Steve. 20 Q Would you read that to us, please? 21 A SUBJECT: An Amazing Discovery Can you 22 believe it, I wrote this myself! Just a 23 short note to say, How happy I’ll be to see 24 you this day! Maybe at noon we can go out 25 in the sun, To walk, and talk, and have all
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1 kinds of good fun! I’d better quit and run 2 down for a while, But when you come see me, 3 I want to see a big smile! (On second 4 thought, maybe its not so hard to believe I 5 wrote it!!) HAVE A GREAT DAY!! STEVE 6 ALLEN 7 Q Let’s go to the next note. What date is that? 8 A May 25, 1990. 9 Q What time? 10 A 8:59. 11 Q Who is that to? 12 A It’s to Steve from me. 13 Q Would you read that to us, please? 14 A Subject: An Amazing Discovery That’s 15 great - I Love It! You must be in a really 16 good mood today to be inspired like that. 17 It looks like a beautiful day out. The 18 temp is already 78. I may take vacation 19 this afternoon but would like to do 20 something at noon if you want to. We won 21 our ballgame last night. It was a good 22 game and Eric played really good. His 23 hitting is finally starting to come around. 24 Q Who is Eric? 25 A My son.
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1 Q Let’s go to the next note, please. What date is 2 that? 3 A May 29, 1990. 4 Q What time? 5 A 8:11. 6 Q Who is that to? 7 A To me from Steve. 8 Q Would you read that, please? 9 A SUBJECT: Here we go again! I tried all 10 weekend to write you a song, But try as I 11 might, it never came along. All I did was 12 sit, sit, sit, sit, And nothing happened, 13 not one little bit! And then last night as 14 I was laying in bed, A few things started 15 to pop in my head. So I rolled over and 16 turned on the light, And what do you know, 17 they flew out in the night! So I got here 18 this morning with nothing to say, Except 19 that I hope that you HAVE A GREAT DAY! The 20 sincere desire from the bottom of my heart, 21 Is that your day has gotten off to a good 22 start! 23 Q Is that signed? 24 A “STEVE ALLEN.” 25 Q So was your impression that he wrote that at home?
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1 A No. 2 Q Well, what do you think he was referring to when he 3 said lying in bed, a few things popped in my head. So I 4 rolled over and turned on the light, And what do you know, 5 they flew out in the night? 6 A I got the impression he was thinking about this. 7 Q Let’s move on to the next note. What is the date on 8 that? 9 A May 29, 1990. 10 Q Time? 11 A 8:35. 12 Q Who is that to? 13 A It’s to Steve from me. 14 Q Would you read that, please? 15 A SUBJECT: Here we go again! Very, very 16 good. I Love It! I think you have just 17 discovered a new talent. Hope your day has 18 gotten off to a good start also. 19 Q Let’s move on to the next note. What date is that? 20 A May 29, 1990. 21 Q What time? 22 A 8:46. 23 Q Who is that to? 24 A It’s to me from Steve. 25 Q Would you read that, please?
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1 A Subject: Here we go again! Ok, so you’re 2 not going to tell me how you are doing this 3 morning or how yesterday went. Well, I’m 4 going to tell you any way.- I’m tired, 5 sunburned and glad to be here! (Is that 6 like being “fat, dumb and sassy”?) I 7 almost called in for a half day of vacation 8 this morning. I’m beat! We did get the 9 drains in yesterday and I’m glad for that. 10 Forty-five minutes after finishing 11 yesterday, we went with the families I 12 wanted to go to Tulsa with and went out in 13 the country for a weiner roast. I was soo 14 pooped but we went and the boys really 15 enjoyed it so it was worth it. We didn’t 16 get back until after 9:30 last night. Then 17 everyone had to bathe and get cleaned up. 18 I did find out that your body will sleep 19 when its tired enough! I went to bed (by 20 myself) with the ceiling fan on medium and 21 the window wide open all night and. slept! 22 When I woke up this morning I was still all 23 by myself. Let me know today (this 24 morning, at noon, whatever) how your day 25 went and how you’re doing. I care! Later
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1 ‘gator! 2 Q Apparently, you wrote him a note prior to that; is 3 that correct? 4 A I think it was the note I just read previously. 5 Q Okay. Well, it says reply to note of 5-29-90 and is 6 that the one right before it? 7 A Yes. 8 Q Now, what did he mean when he said that he slept by 9 himself all night? 10 A That was when one of his children would have problems 11 sleeping, many times they would sleep with his wife; and 12 he would sleep by himself. 13 Q So he was just informing you that apparently one of 14 the children had a problem the night before. 15 A Yes. 16 Q Let’s move on to the next note. What date is that? 17 A May 29, 1990. 18 Q What time? 19 A 9:13. 20 Q Who is that to? 21 A It’s to Steve from me. 22 Q Would you read it, please? 23 A Here we go again! I am tired, sleepy, my 24 body is stiff, my allergies are bothering 25 me and to top it off I just tore a hole in
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1 my hose other than that my day has started 2 off OK. 3 Q You weren’t having too good a day, huh? 4 A Normal. 5 Q Let’s move on to the next note. What date is that? 6 A May 31, 1990. 7 Q What time? 8 A 8:12. 9 Q Who is that to? 10 A Me from Steve. 11 Q Would you read it, please? 12 A I’m a little late with this this morning 13 but it didn’t come very easy today - I must 14 still be asleep. Here’s a quick note just 15 to say Hi! Said Steve as he heaved a great 16 sigh. You see, he was up at all hours of 17 the morning, But he came on to work with 18 much moaning and groaning. So listen real 19 closely, here’s what I say, That I hope 20 that you have a Great, Great, Great Day!! 21 The sincere desire from the bottom of my 22 heart, Is that your day has gotten of f to a 23 great start! 24 Q Move on to the next note. What date is that? 25 A May 31, 1990.
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1 Q What time? 2 A 8:23. 3 Q Who is that to? 4 A It’s to Steve from me. 5 Q Would you read that, please? 6 A It is of f to a much better start now. I 7 love it! Why was you up all hours of the 8 morning? I over slept this morning. I was 9 in a deep sleep and couldn’t make myself 10 wake up. It was 7:00 when I finally 11 managed to get my eyes opened. How was 12 your evening? We didn’t have our ballgames 13 last night so we went to church. I just 14 now found the sweet and sour cherry laffy 15 taffy. Thanks. Hope you don’t have too 16 much trouble staying awake today. I’ll try 17 to buzz you every now and then to keep you 18 on your toes. Had a good, good day!!! 19 Q What’s that about the sweet and sour cherry laffy 20 taffy? 21 A I liked sweet and sour cherry laffy taffy; and, 22 evidently, he had left a piece on my desk. 23 Q Let’s move on to the next note. What date is that? 24 A June 1, 1990. 25 Q What time?
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1 A 11:22. 2 Q Who is that to? 3 A It’s to Steve from me. 4 Q Would you read that, please? 5 A SUBJECT: INVITATION Since you received 6 your Service Award today, and because I 7 happen to have money at the moment, I would 8 be truly honored if you would allow me to 9 take you to lunch in celebration of 10 10 years with Phillips Petroleum Company. If 11 you cannot make it today or would rather 12 wait until another day or closer to the 13 23rd I promise to save my money until then. 14 Q Let’s move on to the next note. What date is that? 15 A June 1, 1990. 16 Q What time? 17 A 11:25. 18 Q Who is that to? 19 A It’s to me from Steve. 20 Q Would you read that, please? 21 A Subject: INVITATION Obviously, my message 22 was a little premature (although it (sic) 23 is true that I care!) I would be most 24 honored to be your guest this fine day!! 25 Tell me where to be and I’ll be there
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1 bouncing like a pup!! Flash STEVE ALLEN 2 Q And is signed for -- what does it say? 3 A “STEVE ALLEN.” 4 Q Move on to the next page. What date is that? 5 A June 1, 1990. 6 Q What time? 7 A 1346. 8 Q Who is that to? 9 A It’s to me from Steve. 10 Q Would you read that, please? 11 A SUBJECT: Thanks First of all - THANKS! - 12 for being so thoughtful and taking me to 13 lunch. I really did enjoy it and 14 appreciate you even thinking about doing it 15 for me. However, Ihope it didn’t end on a 16 sour note for you. If you like, I’ll call 17 and explain to him (I won’t unless you say 18 so). I’m not ashamed of going to lunch 19 with you and I hope you feel the same way. 20 If you feel uncomfortable, I’m sorry! I 21 try not to keep you from doing things at 22 lunch, including meeting him, and you don’t 23 keep me from doing things either. As Gomer 24 Pyle would say, “Thank ya, Thank ya, Thank 25 ya!!” for taking me out on such a “special”
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1 occasion. It touched me! STEVE ALLEN 2 Q Now, and by “him,” you were referring to your 3 husband. 4 A Yes. 5 Q Was there some problem with you having lunch with Mr. 6 Allen? 7 A No. 8 Q What was the reference to a sour note? 9 A That’s the day we had met my husband on the street 10 and talked for him for just a minute, and there was no 11 problem. 12 Q What then I don’t understand the reference to sour 13 note. 14 A Steve probably figured it may have bothered me, but 15 it didn’t bother my husband. 16 Q What would give Mr. Allen reason to think it bothered 17 you? 18 A Maybe I gave the impression that it did that it -- 19 I -- Maybe I gave the impression that my husband might 20 would say something, but he didn’t mention it. 21 Q Now, was your husband aware of the affair that you 22 and Mr. Allen had had? 23 A Yes, he was. 24 Q How was he aware of that? 25 A I had told him.
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1 Q When did you tell your husband that? 2 A Approximately in October of 1989. 3 Q That was during the affair. 4 A Yes. 5 Q And what did you tell him at that time? 6 A Just that I had had an affair with Steve Allen. 7 Q You didn’t tell him that it continued? 8 A At that point, we -- at that time, we hadn’t intended 9 to continue. 10 Q But it did continue after you told your husband? 11 A Yes. 12 Q Let’s look at the next note. What date is that? 13 A June 4, 1990. 14 Q What time? 15 A 8:22. 16 Q Who is that to? 17 A To me from Steve. 18 Q Would you read it, please? 19 A SUBJECT: “The Lousy Poet” Well, Good 20 Morning to YOU! And a hearty “How do you 21 do”! My desire for you on this fine sunny 22 day, Is that you get all your wishes, 23 that’s what I say. How was your weekend? 24 What did you do? Did you drive over to 25 Grove, or go to a zoo? Was your weekend
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1 exciting, a real humdinger? Or was it just 2 average, or even a stinker? Mine wasn’t so 3 good, but that’s nothing new, I worked and 4 I tried, but still I got “chewed”. I 5 wanted to call, I needed to SO bad, But I 6 didn’t, and that made me even more sad. 7 It’s midnight now and I can’t get away, I 8 wanted to cruise by, even if I couldn’t 9 stay. Aaron is tired, and crying, and 10 fussy. Everyone is still up, so I better 11 get busy. You don’t know how happy my eyes 12 want to see you. To be here and know that 13 care about me too. I hope that today this 14 puts a smile on your face, If I can do 15 that, I’ll be beaming all over the place! 16 Well, it ain’t too good - I’m glad I don’t 17 have to do this for a living!! Hope this 18 helps get your day off in the right 19 direction. Let’s have a great week!! Hope 20 to hear from you too! FLASH STEVE ALLEN 21 Q Now, what did he mean when he said: 22 I work and I tried but still I got 23 “chewed”. I wanted to call, I needed to SO 24 bad. 25 A I don’t know exactly what the problem was; but,
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1 evidently, he felt like that he needed someone to talk to. 2 Q He said before that: “Mine wasn’t so good, but 3 that’s nothing new.” 4 A Yes. 5 Q Do you know what he meant when he said that to you? 6 A Not specifically. 7 Q You all didn’t discuss that? 8 A I don’t recall anything specific. 9 Q Just assumed that it was one of those minor things 10 where they had an argument and she wouldn’t talk? 11 A Yes. 12 Q Let’s move on to the next note. What date is that? 13 A June 4, 1990. 14 Q What time? 15 A 8:40. 16 Q Who is that to? 17 A It’s to Steve from me. 18 Q Would you read that, please? 19 A “The Lousy Poet” Good morning to you! 20 Looks like you’ve been busy. If you keep 21 this up you might could do it for a living. 22 It’s great. I had busy weekend but not a 23 real exciting one. I guess you’d call it 24 average. Saturday we went to a place over 25 by Ketchum and then went to Tulsa to Tulsa
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1 Book and Supply and came back to 2 Bartlesville to the mall and went to eat 3 and then went to the church to set up for 4 childrens church and then about 9:30 we 5 went to the Phillips ball fields to watch 6 my nephews play softball and then went home 7 and I got to bed around 1:00. I was really 8 tired Sunday but I taught childrens church 9 and then had practice with the Kids 10 Production kids at 6:00. I never did make 11 it to SunFest. Did you? I’m tired today 12 but am hopeing for a good day and a good 13 week. Hope yours is too. 14 Q Let’s move on to the next note. What date is that? 15 A June 4, 1990. 16 Q What time? 17 A 9:28. 18 Q Who is that to? 19 A It’s to me from Steve. 20 Q Would you read that, please? 21 A “The Lousy Poet” Yes, I went to Sunfest. 22 On Friday night I wandered around by myself 23 for over an hour and a half and ate some 24 half raw chicken strips! I couldn’t seem 25 to get interested in anything but really
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1 didn’t want to leave either. I looked 2 around and walked back and forth and 3 totally tired myself out! I looked for you 4 but didn’t know if you ever made it or not. 5 How did the ballgames go? I hope she did 6 well! On Saturday, we took the boys out to 7 Sunfest from about 10:15 to 12:30. They 8 enjoyed it. I brought Matt and Aaron on 9 home and let Sandra shop at the Arts and 10 Crafts booths with Josh as long as she 11 wanted. We took a nap but I couldn’t 12 sleep. Later I mowed the front yard, fixed 13 the gas grill, got into a major fight with 14 her, went and found some ribs, cooked them 15 on the grill, fixed a picnic for all of us 16 on the patio, bathed both Josh and Matt and 17 took them to the Injuns ballgame. It was 18 real nice just sitting in the breeze at the 19 game and trying to relax. Both last night 20 and Saturday night were absolutely 21 beautiful!! I couldn’t sleep Saturday 22 night and finally got up and read until 2 23 in the morning. Yesterday, she worked and 24 I finally broke down and cried and cried. 25 I tried to call but you were out. The
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1 music minister we were interviewing this 2 weekend was a bust so I guess we won’t have 3 one for awhile. I tried to stay up and 4 work last night but nothing seemed to work 5 out. At 11:45, I went out for a walk. She 6 got up with Aaron and came to tell me about 7 it and there I was outside! Boy, did I 8 hear about it! I went to bed around 12:45 9 and was still awake at 2. Sorry I dumped 10 all this on you this morning but I have 11 been a mess all weekend. I hope this 12 doesn’t drag you down but I do feel a 13 little “lighter” now! Thanks for 14 listening. How do you feel about lunch? 15 STEVE ALLEN 16 Q Mr. Allen explain what he meant as to why he cried 17 and cried? 18 A The best I can recall is that it just bothered him 19 that he could seem to get no response from his wife as far 20 as their physical relationship. 21 He wanted to work on it, but she did not. She 22 didn’t seem interested. And it hurt him that she didn’t 23 seem interested on working on it. 24 Q Apparently, Mrs. Allen was not always quiet. He 25 says: “Boy, did I hear about it.” Did he tell you what
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1 he meant by that? 2 A Usually, he would get up with the kids when one of 3 them woke up at night; and, evidently, she had to get up. 4 And upon finding that he was already up and 5 hadn’t taken care of the baby, then, evidently, she was 6 upset about it. 7 Q Apparently, from the note, he was not even in the 8 house. Would you agree with that? 9 A Yes. 10 Q Let’s go on to the next note. What date is that? 11 A June 6, 1990. 12 Q What time? 13 A 1338. 14 Q Who is that to? 15 A It’s to me from Steve. 16 Q Would you read that, please? 17 A SUBJECT: Resolution WHEREAS, As a Child 18 of God, it is not God’s will for my life to 19 be “blue”, down or depressed, and WHEREAS, 20 The emotions of “blue”, down or depression 21 are not of God, and WHEREAS, It is not in 22 my own or my children’s best interest to be 23 “blue”, down or depressed, and WHEREAS, It 24 is not physically or mentally healthy for 25 me to be “blue”, down or depressed,
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1 RESOLVED, That from this moment forward, I 2 will not allow myself to be “blue”, down or 3 depressed and come what may I know that God 4 loves and cares for me and that settles it! 5 FURTHER RESOLVED, That I recognize, know 6 and understand that others love, cherish 7 and think highly of me and that the 8 opinions and friendship of those people are 9 important and meaningful to my triumphant 10 life! Read it and believe it!! I hope it 11 helps (or at least knowing I care helps). 12 I want to see you (and hear from you) soon, 13 Baboon! (I just couldn’t pass it up!) 14 Q Let’s go on to the next note. What date is that? 15 A June 6th, 1990. 16 Q What time? 17 A 1352. 18 Q Who is that to? 19 A It’s to Steve from me. 20 Q Would you read it, please? 21 A Subject: Resolution I do know you care 22 and it does help. Thanks alot, I really 23 needed that. I took some things to the 24 Print Shop for Dennis and met my mom on the 25 way over. She had brought the kids
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1 swimming so I went by and watched them for 2 awhile. I really enjoyed it. Wish I could 3 have stayed with them. Have a very good 4 afternoon! 5 Q Now, Dennis, is that one of your other accountants 6 that you work with there? 7 A Yes, it is. 8 Q Let’s move on to the next note. And what date is 9 that? 10 A June 7, 1990. 11 Q What time? 12 A 7:58. 13 Q Who is that to? 14 A It’s to me from Steve. 15 Q Would you read that, please? 16 A SUBJECT: Hello Yea!!! Hurrah!!! 17 Bravo!!! Congratulations!!! All Right!!! 18 HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! Happy birthday to you! 19 Happy Birthday to you! Happy Birthday Dear 20 Debbe! Happy Birthday to you! (It’s a 21 real “gift” just for me NOT to sing it in 22 person!!) Here’s hoping that today is a 23 special day for you and that it will be the 24 first of many more special days. I hope to 25 do my part. HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! Signed with
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1 Love, Flash STEVE ALLEN 2 Q Let’s move on to the next note1 please. What date is 3 that? 4 A June 7, 1990. 5 Q What time? 6 A 11:32. 7 Q Who is that to? 8 A It’s to me from Steve. 9 Q Would you read that, please? 10 A OK, here’s the plan: 1. I give you a $10 11 bill. (Not a bad start, huh?) I call in 12 an order at Evergreen. As soon as Jerry 13 leaves, you let me know and I head for the 14 car and you head for Evergreen. You pick 15 up the “cuisine” (sic) and I’ll pick you 16 up. We head for the lake to have a 17 beautiful Chineese dinner overlooking a 18 peaceful lake under sunny clouds. We take 19 a 4 hour nap. We head back to town. 20 (Well, we may have to reverse the order of 21 #6 and #7.) How’s that (sic) sound to you? 22 STEVE ALLEN 23 Q Who is Jerry? 24 A He was my boss at that time. 25 Q What’s Jerry’s last name?
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1 hope your weekend went fine. How was the 2 movie? Saturday afternoon and evening was 3 real strange. I’ll have to tell you about 4 it sometime (image that!). I seem to be 5 extremely tired this morning (more than 6 usual, anyway) but I’d better start getting 7 used to it. Let’s kick today off with a 8 smile. I know that you’ll make my day 9 brighter! Let me hear from ya! Later 10 ‘gator!! STEVE ALLEN 11 Q And extremely strange was the fact that Mrs. Allen 12 got home late? 13 A The best that I can remember. 14 Q Now, did she get home late on Saturday; or did she 15 get home late on Sunday? 16 A I believe it was on Saturday. 17 Q Let’s read the next note. What date is that? 18 A June the 11th, 1990. 19 Q What time? 20 A 8:35. 21 Q Who is that to? 22 A It’s to Steve from me. 23 Q Would you read that, please? 24 A Subject: Howdy Good morning to you. Hope 25 you have a good day.
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1 Q Let’s move on to the next note. What date is that? 2 A June the 11th, 1990. 3 Q What time is it? 4 A 1446. 5 Q Who is that to? 6 A It’s to Steve from me. 7 Q Now, do you recall, Miss Aubrey, if on June the 11th, 8 1990, whether you and Mr. Allen had lunch together that 9 day? 10 A No, we didn’t. 11 Q Would you read that, please? 12 A I’m sorry. I really and truly do not know 13 what is wrong with me. I just can’t seem 14 to shake these feelings that I have. I do 15 hope the rest of your weekend went alright 16 after I talked to you. The movie was very 17 good and yes, we did go by Homeland last 18 night after church. How was your wife’s 19 trip? Again, I’m really sorry. I just 20 don’t know what is going on with me right 21 now. Please ‘bear’ with me! 22 Q Now, can I assume from that, that you talked with Mr. 23 Allen over the weekend? 24 A Yes, I did. 25 Q Would you tell us about that?
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1 A I called him on Saturday morning to talk to him for a 2 few minutes. 3 Q And what was the purpose in calling him? 4 A Just to see how he was doing. I knew his wife was 5 gone, and he was taking care of their son -- just to see 6 how he was doing. - 7 Q When did she leave? Do you know? 8 A I don’t recall. 9 Q But she wasn’t around when you called. - 10 A No. 11 Q Let’s move on then to the last note. What’s the date 12 on that? 13 A June the 11th, 1990. 14 Q What time? 15 A 1507. 16 Q And that would be a reply to your previous note; is 17 that correct? 18 A Yes. 19 Q Would you read that, please? 20 A I’ll “bear” with you always as long as I 21 know that I’m wanted. I will not abandon 22 you!! Its the not knowing or doubt that 23 really tears me up. I don’t know, maybe 24 I’m too sensitive or too insecure or too 25 immature or something. All I know is that
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1 I care alot! I seemed to keep running into 2 you this weekend. Sat afternoon I found 3 you parked at the movie. Later, I found 4 you at Price Cutter and wanted to come in 5 to “shop” so bad but knew I better not 6 because I knew everybody was with you. So 7 I went to Sonic and got Aaron and I 8 something to drink and waited until you 9 drove by. I honked alot but I don’t think 10 you heard me. I was leaving Braum’s when I 11 saw you drive by the entrance and then go 12 on to Homeland. I didn’t have any reason 13 to go in there either! Maybe I’m silly but 14 it helped just seeing you - even if you 15 were driving by and didn’t know I was 16 around! I guess I’m selfish but here’s how 17 it is - It doesn’t bother me near as much 18 for you to be wrapped up in your thoughts - 19 just as long you let me in with you. I’m 20 sorry if you feel like that is prying or 21 “being nosey” on my part. I really do care 22 and feel bad when I don’t know what’s going 23 on. There was about 6-8 cards that I 24 wanted to get. I hope you know how special 25 you are and that I want to help. Do you
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1 have any ballgames or anything to go to 2 tonight? It would be great if you could 3 call but I know its difficult for you. 4 I’ll quit rattling but not being 5 concerned!! Let me know how things are. 6 STEVE ALLEN 7 Q Did you receive some sort of card from Mr. Allen? 8 A Yes, I did. 9 Q And what kind of card was that? 10 A It was a card, and I believe it had a bear on it. 11 can’t remember what it said. 12 Q And I believe he says in that note that -- something 13 that he wishes you could call, but he knows it’s difficult 14 for you? 15 A Uh-huh. 16 Q What did he mean by that? 17 A Because my kids played ball, and I’m out in the 18 evenings -- not at home in the evenings. So it’s hard for 19 me to call. 20 Q Now, I won’t have you read them. Let’s look for a 21 moment. You have the other exhibit? Would you like me to 22 take this one? 23 Let’s look for a moment at -- is that State’s 24 Exhibit 61? 25 A Yes.
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1 Q And in reference to the memo that’s reflected by page 2 15 and the note that’s reflected by page 16 and the note 3 that’s reflected by page 17, can you tell us the time 4 frame that those were written in? 5 A I don’t remember the date. 6 Q Can you give me a month and year recollection? 7 A I’m sure it was 1990, but I do not remember the 8 month. 9 Q I do want to ask you one thing about page 16. Well, 10 just read page 16 to us, please. 11 A To: Debbe From: A special friend Well 12 here it is. Debbe, I don’t know how to be 13 any more frank than this. After reading 14 the enclosed Memo, and you still want me to 15 leave you alone, well, I guess I’ll just 16 have to deal with that then. It’s from my 17 heart. I really think we need to do what 18 I’ve written in D and E (both of us). I’ll 19 try if you will. I would like for you to 20 read it somewhere here at work, but where 21 you won’t be interrupted (tunnel, file 22 cabinets, bathroom or where ever). I think 23 it is that important. Well, today was the 24 3rd day this week where I didn’t get any 25 lunch! For some reason, that bothers me!
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1 By the way, has your rabbit died? I had an 2 interesting talk with the Pastor today then 3 went and checked on my tire - again. On 4 the way back I was listening to the radio 5 and heard this song that made me cry: 6 I fyoudon’ tknowmebynow, 7 Youwillnever, never, neverknowme. 8 Heygirl, afterallwe’vebeenthrough, 9 Don’tchaknowme,likelknowyou. I guess after 10 your note this morning it was more than I 11 could handle. I wish I could sing it and 12 make it sound right but I’ve said that 13 before!! Like I said in the Memo, you may 14 dump me but you will never stop me from 15 caring. I hope you fully understand that. 16 There is a lot of me in that Memo - I guess 17 that’s why it took so long to write. It’s 18 from my heart. Looking forward to hearing 19 from you (and even more to seeing you back 20 here!). Later ‘gator!!!! 21 Q Now, do you know what Mr. Allen meant when he 22 referred to checking on his tire? 23 A He had had trouble with one of the tires on his car. 24 I don’t remember exactly what the problem was. 25 Q Apparently was experiencing some difficulty with a
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1 car tire. 2 A Yes. 3 Q What type of friend did you consider Steve Allen to 4 be? 5 A A special friend. 6 Q And he spent a lot of time being your friend, didn’t 7 he? 8 A I suppose. 9 Q He was concerned about you? 10 A Yes. 11 Q Concerned about the relationship in your marriage. 12 A Yes. 13 Q And he spent a lot of time visiting with you about 14 that and trying to help you with it. 15 A Yes. 16 Q And the two of you together spent a lot of time 17 helping each other and lifting each other up? 18 A I don’t know about a lot of time; but, yeah, we tried 19 to help each other. 20 MR. CORGAN: That’s all. 21 MR. CARLSON: We have no questions. 22 THE COURT: Step down then. 23 (AN OFF-THE-RECORD DISCUSSION WAS HELD AT THE 24 BENCH BETWEEN COURT AND COUNSEL) 25 THE COURT: If you can bear with us a
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