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The World on Its Head
Conversations with Georg Baselitz


Conversations with
GEORG BASELITZ

BY  BONITA
(c) 2004 L'Atelier Bonita

The following is excerpted from several interviews conducted with Georg Baselitz between 1996 and 2002.

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Adieu, 1982, oil on canvas, 250 x 300 cm.
Tate Gallery, London

"Drawing badly is many times more difficult than drawing
  traditionally."

Can you tell me about your first exposure to abstract paintings and the first time you felt the need to "depart" from the movement?

When I was fifteen years old, I came across, by chance, a volume of paintings on Italian Futurism (Italienische futuristische). That was a hand-bound catalogue containing many black and white images. I remember making some replicas of them.

Then in 1957, I entered art school in Berlin. I must admit that I was quite fond of Kandinsky's Theory of Art although I became skeptical of the Bauhaus movement.

Bauhaus, on its own, may be the foundation of modern architecture, design and most applied arts. However, the form of fine art, the abstract art, that runs parallel with Bauhaus designs has never been able to break free of a decorative nature.

My work focuses on thoughts and differs from the intent of abstract art.

How did the 19th Century artists and writers influence your own work, especially your earlier work?

Yes, the 19th Century artists; they provided great inspiration.

Among the German and French romantics, I was much taken with the work of Karl Blechen (1798-1840, German landscape painter) - Eugene Delacroix's Lions afford a series of primitive yet tragic appeal -

I like everything by Gustave Courbet -

Then, Gericault. His drawings and paintings of people with madness are something I will never forget.

My earlier work was deeply influenced by the behaviors of schizophrencis. Besides the works of Gericault, I most admire Antonin Artaud.

In 1961 and 1962, along with my friend and fellow classmate Eugen Schonebeck, we published the Pandamonische Manifest I and II. I have always considered these as my gifts to Artaud, the world's greatest playwright, poet, madman.

As to the Pandamonische Manifest - it is an outstanding work of German Expressionistic endeavor.

  
As for Surrealsim, I enjoy viewing their statements and respect its impact on contemporary art. But Surrealism, as an art form, has not been a personal favorite.

In 1963, two of your paintings, Die Grosse Nacht in Eimer and Der nackte Mann were banned from public by the German government. Will you tell us about this incident?

During my art exhibit at Galerie Werner & Katz in Berlin in 1963, an art review had linked the show with "public indecency" and caused a commotion in the city. Two of my paintings were confiscated by the police. The district attorney's office fined my gallerist, Michael Werner and I for inciting pornographic activities. We filed a lawsuit against the city but it was not until 1965 that the two paintings were returned to me.

I have nothing to say about the event. However, I had written a short passage entitled Lieber Herr W.! which, I now feel, was a manifest to the 1963 Berlin exhibition.

"Dear Mr. W.!

I 've been ill since your lasr visit here. Twenty turpentine-soaked cigarettes a day, nitro dilution in my throat, cause headaches and dizziness. The whole bag of tricks in front of and behind the canvas makes me want to puke ...

I sit on the john with candles on my hat, and G. lies useless on the balcony. I can't say anything about my pictures. I paint, and it's not easy - with that I've done everything. You shouldn't reach too far. Things are dumped on me from the abyss of darkness: an astral vault, a blood vessel, a wall, a Piranesi urn, the thorn in the ring, the barb - I yearn, black, white, red. The topsy-turvy world upside down, The geniuses won't and can't bear the responsibility anymore...

I'm left with little. I think it's enough. Why do you ask? I paint female bodies - somewhat below, and the nicest thing is still to squoosh up a face, a head. Maybe something external is involved. Go out in the street and look at the way the people keel over, fall on the sidewalk, suddenly there's nothing left of any flight of fancy, it's so fantastically simple. I'm included ...

... People have started ringing my bell again and rattling my mailbox. I haven't managed to catch anyone. The sky is lilac.

Best.,
G. Baselitz
Berlin, August 8, 1963
"

(
originally in German,  pub. Die Schastrommel, no. 6, March 1972)

You prefer wood as medium for your sculpture?

Wood is a basic material and the most traditional medium for all sculptures.

Other materials, such as glass, steel, metal, plastic, are preferred by craftsmen, not artists. They are preferred over wood because it is much easier to produce replicas with such materials.

Sculpture is like a small miracle. To make everything possible, I use wood.


                   
             Painted wood (lime) object: 2500 x 730 x 590 mm., sculpture.
                                        Tate Gallery, London


               

             George Baselitz with Frau Paganismus, Atelier Derneburg 1994  
                     Frau Paganismus, 1994, sculpture, 215 x 132 x68 cm.                                       Hess Collection, Napa, California  
                      


You have, at many instances, spoken about the importance of drawings. As you once said, "to draw badly requires tremendous skills" -- may we revisit the issue of drawing?

Drawing badly does not only require tremendous skills, it is many times as difficult as executing a traditional drawing in which the composition and perspective can be measured and the muscles and bones can be examined for correctness.

Skilled draftmen may replicate the likeness of their environments but an artist sees its spirit and races to capture its essence on paper.

Tremendous pressure has been imposed on artists nowadays, by academicians, politicians and fashion, to be "exact" and "realistic." Many people have spent most of their time questioning the correctness of  a depiction yet while they are doing that, the drawing itself departs from its maker.        


If you put a piece of paper in front of you and draw a tree on it and then claim that this tree is standing just as erect on the paper as in your garden, then you are simply taking over, untested, something that others claim.

You've written, "history is linear ... art is idiosyncratic," would you expound on this?

The scholars say, "history will repeat itself.," Of course. And the history of art is very similar in this respect. But what I really want to say is, the wisdom of art is different from all disciplaines of academic endeavors.        

                     
                        Orangenesser (IV) (Orange Eater [IV] ), 1981 
                          oil and tempera on canvas, 146 x 114 cm.    
                             Staatsgalerie Moderner Kunst, Munich.

 


There are no such things as goals or objectives in art. Art does not follow the beginning or ending of an era or a political saga. Art follows only one person: its maker, or, the artist. If there is one heroic act a work of art attempts to create, it is the establishment of an effect, or an influence. However, this influence will be utterly useless outside the realm of art.

People ask, "why can't art be more like science?" Why can't art change our society like inventions or political uprisings?" What they mean to say is, why can't art be useful, or rational?

This is impossible. If art becomes "useful" objects, much like what the church had done in the past by turning works of art into religious artifacts -- the spirit of art will be lost. And poetry, paintings and music will be nothing but ornaments of leisure.

Art and history. A child has no biography, but his imagination already spread inside him before he was born, and when he draws he tries to harmonize his imagination with whatever he sees and experiences. But sooner or later you're no longer a child, then you've done enough comparing and measuring and drawing; and at that point, when every stroke, dot, or splotch is no longer used to compare with a thing, to approach it, then that's enough. Now you only need to talk to yourself and you've got a lot to say --

                

                          Trummerfrau (Bomb-Site Woman), 1978,  
                        oil and tempera on canvas, 330 x 250 cm.    
                          Stedelijk Van Abbemuseum, Eindhoven.

I know, no matter how hard we try, human beings cannot alter time or the system. Then again, I can tell you, if you let it happen, art can open your eyes, and show you a part of the world you have never seen before.

Two last questions, and very important ones. Ever since 1975, you have been living and working at Derneburg, a castle. What is it like?

Hot and cold.

That is, hot in the summer and cold in wintertime.

Finally, what's your favorite color?

Rotgtun.

Baselitz's reply of rotgrun (red-green) indicates that the subject is a combination of the primary colors red and green. However, if one mixes these pigments, a dark, "non-color" is formed --

Therefore, is Gerog Baselitz's favorite color, non-color?

                               



A year after receiving her PhD in history, Bonita left New York City to work as a museum curator in Marseille, France. Her publications include J.F.M.: a catalogue raisonné of the graphic art of Jean-François Millet, En Route 1999, and the soon-to-be-published Empire of Our Prodigal Sons. Bonita, who is often seen in her Lazio football jersey, is the editor of Once Upon A Time magazine.

                              ©2002, 2003, 2004 L'Atelier Bonita


                        GEORG BASELITZ CHRONOLOGY


1938  
    Born Hans-Georg Kern, on 23 January in Grossbaselitz,
                Upper Lansitz, Saxony; to Johannes and Lieselotte Kern,
                both primary school teachers. Hans-Georg is the second
                of four childten.

1940-50   The Kern family lives in the local school house, and in
                its library, young Baselitz first discovers albums of
                19th Century pencil drawings.

1950-55   The family moves to Kamenz where Baselitz completes
                primary school education. In his early teens, he reads
                17th Century mystic Jakob Bohme. Ar 14, he begins
                painting portraits, including those of Beethoven, Geothe
                and Stalin. In 1955, he applies to the Kunstakademie in
                Dresden but is rejected.

1956        Baselitz passes the entrance examination to study
                forestry at the Staatliche Forstschule in Taranth but
                does not enroll. That winter, he becomes a student at
                the Hochschule fur Bildende und Angewandte Kunst in
                East Berlin. Among his classmates are Peter Graf and
                Ralf Winkler (later known as A.R. Penck). With Graf, he
                travels to West Berlin. During the school break, Baselitz
                refuses to go to Rostock to do industrial work. As a
                result of the paintings he produces during the break,
                he is expelled after two terms because of "socio-political
                immaturity."

1957       Baselitz receives a 5-year scholarship to attend the
               Staaatliche Hochschule fur Bildende Kunst in West Berlin.
               He studies painting under Hann Trier, the theories of
               Vasily Kandinsky and Kazimir Malevich and befriends
               fellow students Eugen Schonebeck and Benjamin Katz.

1958       Baselitz settles in West Berlin. The same year, he meets
               his wife-to-be Elke Kretzchmar who is also studying at
               the academy. He creates first series of paintings,
               including the imaginary Onkel Bernhard (Uncle Bernhard)
               portraits. At the academy, he sees two traveling
               exhibitions from America on Abstract Expressionism and
               becomes interested in the work of Willem de Kooning,
               Philip Guston and Jackson Pollock.  

1959  
    Baselitz hitchhikes to Amsterdam, see Chaim Soutine's
               Le Boeuf écorché (The Skinned Ox, 1926) ar the
               Stedelijk Museum. On his return, he stops to view
              Documenta 2 at Kassels. He gives up his studio at
               the academy and works exclusively at home.

1960       Baselitz becomes interested in the art of the mentally ill.
               He paonts G. - Kopf (G. - Head) based on Hans
               Prinzhorn's book and its illustrations on madness.

1961       He adopts the surname Baselitz, which is taken from
               the name of his birthplace. He visits Paris for the first
               time and sees works by Gustav Moreau. The same year,
               Baselitz and Schonebeck stage an exhibition of their work
               in ab abandoned house. They wrIte an accompanying
               manifesto, the Pandamonisches Manifest 1961.

            
                           Georg Baselitz and Eugen Schonebeck,
                Pandamonisches Manifest I, 1. Vversion, October 1961,
                        blueprint, 62.5 x 103.9 cm, Private collection.

1962       Baselitz and Schonebeck write Pandamonisches
               Manifest II
, 1962. He marries Elke Kretzchmar, their
               first son, Daniel, is born. This year he completes his
               studies at the academy and befriends Michael Werner.
                        
1963       Baselitz first solo exhibition inaugurates Galerie
               Werner & Katz in Berlin. Two of his paintings in the
               show, Die grosse Nacht im Eimer (The Big Night Down
               the Drain)
and Der nackte Mann (The Naked Man) are
               confiscated by the district attorney on charges of
               public indecency. The court case lastes until 1965 and
               results in the return of the paintings to the artist.
               Baselitz writes as a manifesto the letter Lieber Herr W.!
               (Dear Mr. W.!}  He completes a series of eleven
               paintings entitled P.D. - Fiisse (P.D. - Feet).
            
           
                
     Die grosse Nacht im Eimer (The Big Night Down the Drain), 1962-63,
                              oil on canvas, 250 x 180 cm.
                   Musuem Ludwig, Cologne, Ludwig Donation.
                


1965  
    Baselitz spends six months at the Villa Romana in
               Florence on a scholarship. He studies Italian Mannerist
               prints and creates his Tierstuck (Animal Piece) pictures.
               His first exhibition at Galerie Friedrich & Dahlem opens in
               Munich. In Berlin, he works on the Helden (Heroes)
               pictures.

                
              Helden: Der neue Typ (Herors: The New Type), 1966,
                                oil on canvas, 162 x 130 cm.
            Louisiana Musuem of Modern Art, Humelback, Denmark.

                  

1966       His son Anton is born. Baselitz moves to Osthofen
               near Worms. His paintings reflect a rural scene.
               He makes his first woodcuts.          

1967       Baselitz paints B fur Larry (B for Larry).   

              
               B fur Larry (B for Larry), 1967, oil on canvas,   
                         250 x 200 cm. Private collection. 


1968  
    He receives grant from the cultural section of the
               German Industrial Association.

1969       He paints first pictures in which the entire composition is
               upside down, beginning with Der Wald auf dem Kopf
               (The Wood on Its Head).

              
               Der Wald auf dem Kopf
(The Wood on Its Head), 1969, 
                                 oil on canvas, 250 x 190 cm.    
                     Museum Ludwig, Cologne, Ludwig donation.


1971       He moves to Forst on the Weinstrasse and uses the old
               school house as his studio. Baselitz starts to paint
               pictures of birds as well as beginning a series of finger
               paintings.

1972       Baselitz participates in Documenta 5 in Kassel.

1973       His 1965-66 Heroes pictures are shown at the Hans
               Neuendorf's gallery in Hamburg. Baselitz paints the
               Fahnen (Flags) with strips of canvas pinned to the wall.

1974       A retrospective of Baselitz's graphic works (including
               etchings for 1963-74 and woodcuts from 1966-67) is
               organized by Rolf Wedewer for the Stadtisches Museum
               Leverkusen, Schloss Morsbroich. He paints the Akt Elke
               (Nude Elke) pictures.

1975       Baselitz moves to Derneburg near Hildesheim, his studio
               is part of his home. He makes his first trip to New York
               and works in a studio for two weeks.

1976       Baselitz exhibits his paintings, graphic works and
               Pandamonisches Manifestos at the Kunsthalle Bern.

1977       He works on larger format linoleum cuts until 1979.
               He is appointed instructor at the Staatliche Akademie de
               Bildenden Kunst in Karlsruhe and, in 1978, he is given
               a professorship. Baselitz withdraws participation in
               Documenta 6, due to participation by official
               representatives of East German aonters. He begins
               painting diptychs on wood.

                
                              Weiblicher Akt auf Küchenstuhl
                        (Female Nude on a Kitchen Chair) 1977-79
             Linocut on paper, 2021 x 1370 mm. Tate Gallery, London


                
                            Die Ahrenleserin (The Gleaner), 1978, 
                      oil and tempera on canvas, 330.1 x 249.9 cm.    
                        Solomon R, Guggenheim Museum, New York.


1979       He begins making wood sculptures.
     
            


1980  
    The sculpture Modell fur eine Skulptur (Model for
               a Sculpture
, 1979-1980) is shown in the West German
               Pavilion at the Venice Bienale.

1981       Baselitz participates in A New Spirit in Painting at
               the Royal Academy of Arts in London. He continues to
               exhibit at Galerie Michael Werner in Cologne, his
               first exhibitions are held in New York at Xavier Fourcede
               Gallery and Brooke Alexander, Inc. He completes
              Orangenessers (Orange Eaters) and the Drinkers
               (including Flaschentrinker, Bottle Drinking Man) series.
              
 
1982       He participates in Documenta 7. Exhibitions are held at
               Sonnabend Gallery (New York), Young Haffman
               Gallery (Chicago), Wassington Galleries and Anthony
               d'Offay Gallery (London). The first issue of the magazine
               Krater und Wolke is devoted to Baselitz; it is edited by
               A.R. Penck and published by Galerie Michael Werner in
               Cologne. Baselitz returns to intensive work on sculptures
               of figures and heads.                                    
  
1983       He paints Nachteesen in Dresden (Supper in Dresden),
               which portrays Die Brucke artists. He leaves the academy
               in Karlsruhe to assume a professorship at the Hochschule
              de Kunst Berlin. An exhibition of paintings from 1976-83 is
              organized by Galerie Danoff fro the Akron Art Museum.
              The first volume of catalogue raisonné of Baselitz's
              graphic workds is published by Jahn.
                    
1984       Baselitz had his first exhibition at Maty Boone Gallery in
               New York in association with Michael Wener.
               A retrospective of graphic work opens in Munich and
               travels to the Musée d'Art et d'Histoire in Geneva and
               Bibliothèque Nationale in Paris. Baselitz's first exhibition
               of prints at the Musuem of Modern Art in New York..

1987       Baselitz delivers lectures of Das Rustzeug der Maler in
               Amsterdam and London.

1988       He makes the Tragischer Kopf (Tragic Head) sculpture
               and Das Motiv (The Motif) paintings. A retrospective of
               work from 1965-87 opens at the Sala d'Arme di Palazzo
               Vecchio in Florence and travels to Hamburg. The first
               monograph on Baselitz's paintings and sculptures is
               published (compoled by Edwatd Quinn with a text by
               Andreas Franzke).   

1989       The French Art Minister Jack Lang confers upon Baselitz
                the Medal of Chevalier dan l'Ordre des Arts et des
                Lettres.

1990       The first large-scale exhibition of Baselitz's work is
               held in East Germany at the Staatliche Museen zu Berlin.

1991       Baselitz delivers lectures of Das Rustzeug der Maler in
               Amsterdam and London. Baselitz edits an issue of
               Krate und Wolke devoted to A.R. Penck.

       
       Bildelf, 1992, oil on canvas, Hamburger Kunsthalle, Germany

1993       Baselitz creates scenic concepts for Harrison Birtwistle's
               opera Punch and Judy, directed by Pierre Audi at
               the Deneder Landse Opera in Amsterdam. An exhibition of
               drawings from 1962-92 is organized for the Musée
               National d'Art Moderne, Centre Georges Pompidou, Paris.

1994       He participates in The Romantic Spirit in German Art
              1790-1990
, which is held at the Royal Scottish Academy.
               The same year, Baselitz writes the manifesto, Maden aus
               dem Kopf, au dem Kopf, oder aus dem Topf
.

1995       Baselitz's first comprehensive retrospective at
               an American museum is organized for the Solomon R.
               Guggenheim Museum in New York.

               The artist continues to live and work in Derneburg.


            
              



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