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From: "Janna"
> So, how can we (and I as someone who is not a musician or a promoter)
> take a stand and get the quality back in the scene? Kreestof has
> been voicing for a very long time that the Industrial clubs aren't
> always that. And now Katy has put into words what many of us have
> been experiencing - that if there are going to be dancers they need
> to be crowed oriented and not full of themselves. We shouldn't have
> to be satisfied with what's being dished out - sounds like a lot of
> us aren't happy!

Money talks, bullshit walks. Vote with your dollars and the promoters will listen. Don't go to places that suck, especially if there are viable alternatives.
Make sure the clubs you like know why you like them. Make sure they know so they keep the DJ's you like on and give them good time slots.
Complain about DJ's that play inappropriate Techno. If everyone leaves club A to go to club Z, make sure they know you're going there for the Industrial, otherwise there gonna think they need to cater to their new club A exodus and they'll switch the format to trance.

If you go to a club that promotes they play Industrial music, but doesn't, demand your money back. I've did this at The Bank 7 years ago. (it was all goth) Point to the word "Industrial"on the pass.

Tell the promoters what you like and dislike about the clubs, make sure your friends do to, so they know it's not a minority opinion. Tell the promoters which DJ's you like, and what format of music you want to hear. Tell the DJ's if you liked their sets (wait until their done spinning), or what you liked and disliked, because all they can go by is the number on the dance floor. They don't know for sure what you enjoy or what needs they're not fullfilling unless you tell them.

Dance when DJ's play good Industrial, clear the floor when they play Trance.
Sit down on the floor and protest en masse if you really want to make the point. I did that at a club in 1988 with all my friends because the owners made the DJ play Edie Brickel instead of Suicidal Tendecies. It worked and we got our format back.
Dancing to the good music makes an important impression on the staff and management of a club. If the dance floor is cleared, the promoters are going to assume the music is shit and they're gonna talk to the DJ about it..

Influence the DJ's, request good Industrial songs, try to request songs that don't have a "trance remix" so that you won't get screwed. If the DJ's get a lot of Industrial requests, they'll get the idea. Deep down almost all DJ's want to please the crowd. If they don't have the tracks with them this week, they might next week. If there were a lot of industrial requests, they might start catering to that format. Also, any song that clears the dance floor is probably never going to be played by the DJ again. DJ's are very sensitive to that kind of thing. If you like the song, and you're
tired, pretend to dance if you don't have the energy to really dance.

Don't let promoters rely on their "yes men" for what you think, YOU need to tell them. The "yes men" have their own agenda, and that agenda appears to be trance. Don't let the go go dancers opinions rule the night, make sure the promoters know what you think, because you're their salary.

There are DJ's that everyone complains about that think they are the main draw for a club. They bully the promoters who come to believe them and their will becomes law, because no one wants to risk upsetting a succesfull night. If the promoters discover that these "assets" are actually liabilities change might occur. Make your voices heard, back it up with action. (dancing and "voting with your dollars").

There's a myth that Industrial nights can't have draw. It's a load of crap. Dark Carnival was all Industrial and brought in 200-300 a week and had an all Industrial format. 200-300 a week in New Haven Connecticut is comprable to 1000-2000 in NY. The Warzau Ballroom was primarily Industrial, as was Censored at the building, HARD, VooDoo, and Nostradamus. Currently in NYC, we have Contempt regularly bringing in 300+ with a primarily Industrial
format. The opening night that I guest DJ'd for Zenwarp at Webster hall the dance floor was packed with 500 people dancing to Revolting Cocks, screaming their heads off. It's completely possible to do a primarily Industrial night in NYC as long as it's done correctly. The problem is rivetheads are damn easy to scare out of a club, and once you do, they're not coming back. Techno is rivethead repellant, and promoters attempting to do Industrial
nights need to be vary aware of that. If I hear Daft Punk in a club, I'm leaving.

In summation, complain loudly, praise loudly, do it all en masse, make sure you're voices are heard, the promoters want to make us happy, because it means more money for them.