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MY SECOND RESPONSE

Liberal Killer- No problem. The aclu's founder Roger Baldwin once said 'Communism is the goal'. Don't believe me, try reading 'Roger Baldwin:Founder of the ACLU: A Portrait. p 192.

NESTA-And how does this prove that the ACLU, as an organization, was founded on communism?

It proves it's founder was a communist. Pretty damning evidence. Usually an organization doesn't do a complete 180. Founded upon Communism then, means right off the bat, the possibility they are not pushing a communist agenda is slim. Also, Baldwin's closest friend, one of was Margaret Sanger, who founded Planned Parenthood. This established the early link for ACLU and Abortionists, both anti-Christian.

The ACLU was founded to defend the civil liberties of American citizens, including those that believed in communism. There has been no effort by the ACLU , as an organization, to promote communism as public policy in America. BTW, Roger Baldwin was not the only founder.

This is correct. The other founders were supporters of Communism, also. In 1924, Baldwin wrote regarding his Committee for Political Prisoners (with members and board members a member of) 'Many of the members of the Committee for Political Prisoners as individuals regard the Russian Revolution as the greatest and most daring experiment yet undertaken to recreate society in terms of human values. Many of them look upon Russia today as a great laboratory of social experiment of incalculable value to the development of the world.' William Donohue, an expert on ACLU history writes in 'The Politics of the ACLU' -Baldwin..not only failed to question the abuses of freedom in Russia, but actually defended the repressive regime.' Throughout the 20's and 30's the ACLU had prominent Communist Party Members and loaned money and provided bail for Communist Party members.

Liberal Killer- Let me rebut you and show you how the ACLU is anti-Christian.

The aclu asks for jail for Tangipahoa School Officials for praying in school.

NESTA-As usual there is more to the story than the tiny spinfo you offer up. Actually the school officials involved were deliberately breaking the law, including admonishing children who did not show up for their illegal bible study classes in the cafeteria. Hell? This is still a nation of freedom of religion, and children cannot be made to attend Bible study by their public schools.

Actually our country and schools had prayer instituted as a study method. God and Christianity were deeply rooted in our country's founding, and government, and school systems. If we pass a law today where it's ok to rape women on Wednesdays, that doesn't make it right, or what our founding fathers intended. And there is more to the story, in addition, to the demand for jail time, the ACLU cites a prayer it says was recently given at Amite High School, over a loudspeaker, at an awards banquet. The prayer ended with the words "In Jesus' name we pray," violating the ban; the principal of the school sat silently by. Sounds pretty anti-Christian to me. Freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. You are correct, Freedom of religion. The founding fathers established, rather clearly, that Christianity was and is to be a part of our government and way of life. These cases show the anti Christian bias with the Anti-Christian Liberties Union. Regarding the Tangipahoa case, Joe Cook , the ACLU head in Louisiana said, "The federal court must rein in religious extremists who have taken over the Tangipahoa Parish school system by hijacking Christianity and using it to carry out their agenda of indoctrinating and proselytizing captive students under their control." Just more anti-Christian proof for you. :-)

Liberal Killer- They are against any public expression of religious faith, and in particular Christianity. In California, in a case which the ACLU went against the CATHOLIC CHURCH, the state supreme court ruled that charity must provide contraception coverage to women as part of any group health care prescription rug program it offers to its employees. Who's spinning? The liberal again.

NESTA-Again, more to the story than the spinfo.

Catholic leaders have criticized a March 1 California Supreme Court decision requiring Catholic Charities to pay for birth control as part of its prescription drug plan for employees.

The state?s high court ruled 6-1 that Catholic Charities of Sacramento does not qualify for an exemption as a ?religious employer? because it does not primarily employ or serve people who are of the Catholic faith and because it offers such secular services as counseling, low-income housing, and immigration services to the public without directly preaching about Catholic values.

Justice Joyce Werdegar, in writing for the majority opinion, noted that the charity employs workers of differing religions and serves people of all faith backgrounds. Because of these factors, the court ruled that Catholic Charities must abide by the state?s Women?s Contraceptive Equality Act.

There is more to the story than your spin. :-) The Catholic church shouldn't go against it's moral preaching. If the workers didn't like the rule, they should have quit. Just because a corrupt, kangaroo court in California comes up with another yet again, anti-Christian law, doesn't make it right to change the history of religion in our country, or history of Christianity and it's practice. Should Catholic churches allow orgies also? It's against their belief and practice, but if a California Kangaroo Court makes it a law, doesn't make it right. And you forgot this tidbit regarding the case. Justice Janice Rogers Brown dissented, writing that the Legislature's definition of a "religious employer" is too limiting if excludes faith-based nonprofit groups like Catholic Charities. "Here we are dealing with an intentional, purposeful intrusion into a religious organization's expression of it religious tenets and sense of mission," Brown wrote. "The government is not accidentally or incidentally interfering with religious practice; it is doing so willfully by making a judgment about what is or is not a religion."

NESTA-Just because the Catholic Church prohibits birth control does not mean they can make any attempt to force their non Catholic employees to abide by their religious concepts.

False. The catholic church must stay true to it's beliefs. It would make no sense for them to allow priests to have orgies on the alter. Or allow homosexual priests to preach the greatness and normalcy (I am joking about normalcy and greatness) of homosexuality. It's against the church's moral teachings and they should stick to their guns, no matter what the ACLU or a Kangaroo court says, thousands of years later.

Liberal Killer- The Catholic Faith prohibits contraceptives. ACLU against Yeshiva University, they went against the university because they wouldn't allow lesbians to live in married student housing.

NESTA-Again an attempt to impose certain religious strictures on parties that do not necessarily belong to that religion.

By limiting couples' housing to opposite-sex pairs, Yeshiva University is violating New York's city and state nondiscrimination laws, Adams said. "With this ruling, the state Supreme Court has said that it is permissible for a university to violate state and local laws and discriminate based on sexual orientation and marital status

Again, what the supreme court says today can and usually does go against our history. You can state law until you're blue in the face, law is ever changing and open to human (or liberal) error. God's law isn't. Besides, here are some examples of Supreme Court Rulings on which our country was meant to be -

How about this court case in 1831 in New York as told by witness Alexis Tocqueville, 'While I was in America, a witness, declared that he did not believe in the existence of God or the immortality of the soul. The judge refused to admit his evidence, on the ground that the witness had destroyed beforehand all confidence o the court in what he was about to say. The presiding judge remarked, that he had not before been aware that there was a man living who did not believe in God, and that he knew of no case in a Christian Country, where a witness had been permitted to testify without such belief.' Wouldn't this statement be further proof of our Country being a Christian nation that should have Christian laws continuing through the centuries?

James Kent was a Chief Justice of Supreme Court of NY. In the case people v ruggles in 1811 he rendered the opinion of the court, 'the defendant wickedly and blasphemously utter and with a loud voice publish, in the presence of hearing of divers good and Christian people, and concerning the Christian religion, and Jesus Christ, the falks scandalous, malicious, wicked and blashemous words -Jesus Christ was a bastard, aand his mother must be a whore. the defendant was tried and found guilty, and was sentenced by the c ourt to be imprisoned for three months, and pay a fine of 500 dollars. ridicule of Christ or the Scriptures are ofenses punishable at common law, whether uttered by words or writings because it tends to corrupt the morals of the people. The people of this state porfess the general doctrines of Christianity. We are a Christian eople and the morality of the country is deeply engrafted upon Christianity, and not upon hte doctrines of worship of those imposters [other religions] the Constitutional declaration never meant to withdraw religion in general, and with it the best sanctions of moral and social obligation from all consideration and notice of the law. Christanity is part and parcel of the law of the land.'

Supreme Court of Maryland 1799- case M'Creery's Lessee Vs Allender, where and emigrant had become a naturalized citizen. The court decided in MCreery's favor, base on a certificate which reads 'Thomas M'Creery in order to become ....naturalized took the oath. -repeat and subscribe a declaration of his belief in the Christian Religion, and take the oath required by the ACT of Assembly of this State, entitled -An Act for Naturalization.' You had to take the oath to be a Citizen of our Country. Why take the oath by law if Christianity was not to be a part of our law? Our countries Supreme Courts were Christian, up until the sixties, give or take.

Supreme Court of MASS in 1838 in the case Commonwealth vs Abner Kneeland, who claimed the right to 'Freedom of press' as a defense of r publishing libelous and defamatory remarks about Christianity and God. the stature,'That if any person blaspheme the name of God, by denying, cursing, his creation, government, or final judging of the world mayb be described as consisting in speaking evil of the Deity. It is purposely using words concerning God....to impair and destroy and reverence, respect, and confidence due him....that this statured itself is repugnant to the Constitution....[This law] was passed very soon after the Constitution, and no doubt, many members of convention which framed the Constitution, werer members of legislature which passed this law. New Hamshire has a similar declaration...denial of the being and existence of God is prohibited by stature, and declared blasphemy. In vermont..similar declaration of rights 1797 ....the being and existence of God...deemed....and an ofender against the good morals of society. The state of Maine...adopted the same constitution provision. The first amendment embraces all who believe in the existence of God, as Christians of every denomination. This provision does not extend to Athiests, because they do not believe in God or religion; and therefore...their sentiments and professions, whatever they may be, cannot be called religious sentiments and professions.

Supreme Court of South Carolina in 1846 case of City of Charelston vs S.A. Benjamin, the prosecuting attorney explained, "Chrisitainity is part of the common law of the land. It has always been so recognized. The US Constutution allows it as part of the common law. The President is allowed ten days [to sign a bill] with the exception of SUnday. The sabbath is still to be supported...Christiianty ...is the foundation of those morals and manners upon which our society is formed." The Suprem Court Agreed with the prosecuting attorney and stated,"IN the courts over which we preside, we daily acknowlege Chrisitianity as the most solemn part of our administration. In the case Updegraph vs The commonwealth-Christianity is and always has been a part of common law."

Joseph Story, Justice to Supreme Court in his work 'A Familair Exposition of the Constitution of the US' in 1840 states, "We are not to attribute this prohibition o a national religious establishment {in the First Amendment] to an indifference to religion in general, and especially to Christianity which none could hold in more reverence than the framers of the Constitution)...at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, and of the Amendment to it now under consideration, the general, if not the universal, sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to recieve encouragement from the STate so far as was not incompatible with the private rights of conscience and freedom or religious worship." In his commentary of the First amendments meaning,"THe real object of the First Amendment was not to countenance, much less to advance Mohammedanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity, but to exclude all rivalry among Christian Sects and to prevent any national ecclesiastical patronage of national government."

I think a precedent was set looooong ago. :-)

Liberal Killer - The school holds Jewish positions that homosexual behavior violates God's law. The ACLU sued and successfully stopped the practice of cadets at Virginia Military Institute to have mealtime prayers.

NESTA-No, they successfully stopped administration led prayer, not individual prayer. You always have the individually protected right to pray in whatever manner you wish, just not to expect to have others led along with you by authority figures.

Prayer was instituted in our schools from the get go of our country. Thanks to the Anti Christian Liberties Union, there is less prayer or no prayer in schools. They are changing our law and what our country was intended to be and was.

Liberal Killer- Former members of the ACLU expose their Anti-Christian Agenda in books and interviews.

NESTA-Actual info here would be helpful.

No prob-Nat Hentoff split from the ACLU during the baby doe cases. He noticed that the Aclu repeatedly stood on the side of protecting the 'privacy' rights of parents to kill their children. He wrote 'In Baby Doe cases, after the whistle has been blown by a nurse or right-to-life-organization, not once has the ACLU affiliate spoken for the infant's right to due process and equal protection under the law. He once said' And then I herd the head of the Reproductive Freedom Rights unit of the ACLU saying..at a forum, ;I don't know what all this fuss is about. Dealing with these handicapped infants is really an extension of women's reproductive freedom rights, women?s right to control their own bodies. Try reading 'The ACLU vs America' for much more information regarding this anti-Christian organization.

Liberal Killer - Their war against Christmas is undeniable also.

NESTA-It's perfectly deniable, it's nonexistent.

False. FACTS follow, so be prepared and have a teddy bear ready to clinch tightly. You have been warned. For starters, you may try listening or watching Bill O'Reilly. He's documenting and talking about the ACLU's war against Christmas.

The ACLU sued Cranston, Rhode Island, which had opened the front lawn of it's city hall on an equal basis for 'seasonal and holiday displays." Citizens were allowed to provide displays, religious or secular. The city posted a disclaimer: "The public holiday displays are strictly from private citizens or groups. They do not represent an official view of the City of Cranston, nor are the endorsed by the city." The Anti Christian Liberties Union stepped in, asserting privately funded religious displays -in this case, a Nativity scene- was a violation of the 'Separation of Church and State'.

In Kaneohe, Hawaii, the Anti Christian Liberties Union tried to get residents to change the name of the Christmas parade to 'Holiday parade'. This goes on all over today in our country.

In Colorado, the Anti Christian Liberties Union said in a letter that 'Jingle Bells' could not be sung and they sent another demand to stop a school from having a visit from Santa Claus. Nonexistent huh. Rofl. Quit drinking the Liberal Kool-Aid, and see the truth.

Liberal Killer - The ACLU is constantly twisting the first amendment to it's needs and twisted view of morality.

NESTA-Proof?

Religious speech is protected under the first amendment, contrary to the attacks by the ACLU. Margaret Crosby, a lawyer for the Northern California branch of ACLU "By displaying a religious message, the Breen Elementary School is dividing it's young students along religious lines." In 1984 Gregory Johnson burned teh American flag. He was arrested and the ACLU sued, claiming the first amendment protected him. The first amendment was never instituted to let this kind of pathetic action to in sue , if it was, could you show me a court case where someone burned the flag from our nations history pre 1900 where the defendant was let go and protected under the first amendment?

Liberal Killer - Our country was founded upon Christian values, no matter how liberals try to rewrite history. :-) Try typing your own stuff next time, I do.

NESTA-Our country was founded on equality and freedom for ALL Americans, not just Christian Americans, no matter how often the religious reich tries to rewrite history. Now, I've successfully rebutted every example provided by you, you have addressed none provided by me. I fail to see how typing the headlines of a news story in your own hand is in any way superior to copying a list. The information concerning the cases was still written by somebody else.

Who is rewriting history. I see you compare the religious right to Nazi's, a usual liberal bomb throwing tactic when the Facts hurt your position. Dare I say CHECKMATE to the following, an email paste of a debate I had last month, now which I address to you to show our Country was founded upon Christianity, no matter how much liberals try to rewrite history-

56 Signers of the Declaration of Independence
14 Presidents from 1774 to 1789 [President of the United States in Continental Congress]
First 4-6 Presidents of the United States beginning with George Washington
36+ prominent military leaders of the Revolutionary War
55 Men in the Constitutional Convention
38 Signers of the Constitution
13 State Governors responsible for leading the ratification of the Constitution
90 Members of the First Congress?creators of the Bill of Rights

Most of them never questioned their faith, can you show me I am wrong and they did question their faith?

I have about 245 of 250 on my side who were no doubt Christians.

1.Articles of Confederation 1777 proposed by the Continental Congress prior to the writing of the Constitution, which was later signed and ratified 'Whereas the delegates of the US in the Year of our Lord'. Hmm, the Continental Congress confessing Christian beliefs? Who would have though. Well, I would because I can read evidence and deduce facts, and it is clear as day.

Abraham Baldwin was a signer of the Consitution and was Christian.

Richard Bassett was a signer of the Consitution and was Christian who participated in the Constituion of Delaware which stated 'Every person who shall be shosed a member of eithier house, or appointed to any office or place of trust...shal..make and subscribe the following declaration, to wit:"I (-----) do profess faith in God the Father, in Jesus Christ, blessed for evermore, and I do acknoowledge the Holy scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by divine inspiration.

Gunning Bedford- was a signer of the Consitution and was Christian and would have complied with the requirements for office as stipulated by the above stated constitution of Delaware I listed above.

John Blair was a signer of the Consitution and was Christian

David Brearly was a signer of the Constitution and was Christian.

Jacob Broom was a signer of the Consitution and was Christian and was a Delegate from Delaware and would have subscribed to the requirements for office as law by delaware as I listed a few paragraphs previously.

Nearly all 55 writers and signers of the Constitution were members of Christian Denominations. Perhaps you could explain to me how they were Deists instead? Good luck. The only open Deist, Dr. Franklin called for public prayer and contributed to all denominations.

Congress of the United States 1854 'at the time of the adoption of the Constitution and the amendments, the universal sentiment was that Christianity should be encouraged, not any one sect [denomination]. The object was not to substitute Judaism or Mohammedanism, or infidelity, but to prevent rivalry among the Christian sects to the exclusion of others.

How about our FIRST Constitution called the 'Fundamental Orders Constitution of Connecticut' written in 1639 and later served as the model for the US Constitution which is so famous. The committee in charge of framing orders were to make the laws 'As near the law of God as they can be'. The Connecticut towns of Hartford, Wethersfield, and Windsor adopted the Constitution. The preamble stated 'Forasmuch as it has pleased the Almighty God and well knowing when a people are gathered together the word of god requires, there should be an orderly and decent government established according to God, to maintain and preserve the liberty and purity of the Gospel of our Lord Jesus which we now profess. Which is now practiced amongst us, also in our civil affaires to be guided and governed according to such laws, rules, orders and decrees. Article I- That the Scriptures hold forth a perfect rule for the direction and government of all men in all duties which they ar eot perform to God and men, as well in families and commonwealths as in matters of the church. Article II- There is in matters which concern the gathering and ordering of a church, so likewise in all public offices which concern ivil order, they would all be governed by those rules which the scripture held forth to them. Aricle IV That all the free planters held themselves bound to establish such civil order as might best conduce the securing of the purity and peace of the ordinance to themselves, and their posterity according to God.

Johnathon Dayton was a signer of the Constitution and was a Christian.

How about this court case in 1831 in New York as told by witness Alexis Tocqueville, 'While I was in America, a witness, declared that he did not believe in the existence of God or the immortality of the soul. The judge refused to admit his evidence, on the ground that the witness had destroyed beforehand all confidence o the court in what he was about to say. The presiding judge remarked, that he had not before been aware that theree was a man living who did not believe in God, and that he knew of no case in a Christian Country, where a witness had been permitted to testify without such belief.' Wouldn?t this statement be further proof of our Country being a Christian nation? I know so!

John Dickinson was a signer of the Constitution and was Christian and writer of the first draft of the Articles of Confederation. He met with other delegates from Pennsylvania less than two months before the Declaration of Independence was signed to suggest requirements for the members of the Convention to subscribe to before being seated. One was 'I do profess faith in God, in Jesus, and I do acknowledge the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New testaments to be given by Diving inspiration.

Benjamin Franklin's parents raised him Christian for starters and he himself said he was educated a Presbyterian. He attended church regularly. He was a deist in his late teens, but never was totally removed from God. In his second autobiography, he stated 'I never doubted the existence of the Deity, that he made the world, and governed it by his Providence, that our souls are immortal, and crime will be punished'. He believed Christianity during this time did provide a great social value because it instilled people to live good, moral, virtuos lives. He believed deism wasn't very useful, if it were true also at this point. He was soon influenced by 2 men, one protestant and one Catholic. This changed his belief system from a partial deist, to most Christian beliefs. He wrote letters confirming his belief in the doctrine of Justification by Faith, and the Grace of God at the Great Convention, Franklin called for prayer, declaring that 'God governs in the affairs of men.' According to Deism, God doesn't intervene. He expressed some doubts to Jesus' divinity. A Deists would have no doubts; he would totally reject Jesus divinity. He referred to the Scriptures as 'Sacred writings' and quoted from the bible throughout his life. He expressed the belief that the convention had been guided by God in producing the Constitution, something a deist would never believe or say.

Alexander Hamilton was a signer of the Constitution and a Christian. He once said 'Let an association be formed to be denominated "The Christian Constitutional Society," it's object to be first: The support of the Christian religion. Second: The support of the United States.

William Samuel Johnson-was a signer of the Constitution and was a Christian.

I heard Bill O'reilly just this week talking about liberals who deny our country was founded upon Christianity. He said if you don't believe that fact, you are either ignorant, or a Christian Hater. We all know he is a extremely knowledgeable person. Sean Hannity, Neal Boortz, Michael Savage, Rusty Humphries, Laura Ingraham, and Anne Coulter would probably tell you the same thing.

James Kent was a Chief Justice of Supreme Court of NY. In the case people v ruggles in 1811 he rendered the opinion of the court, 'the defendant wickedly and blasphemously utter and with a loud voice publish, in the presence of hearing ofdivers good and Christian people, and concerning the Christian religion, and Jesus Christ, the talks scandalous, malicious, wicked and blasphemous words -Jesus Christ was a bastard, and his mother must be a whore. the defendant was tried and found guilty, and was sentenced by the court to be imprisoned for three months, and pay a fine of 500 dollars. ridicule of Christ or the Scriptures are offenses punishable at common law, whether uttered by words or writings because it tends to corrupt the morals of the people. The people of this state profess the general doctrines of Christianity. We are a Christian people and the morality of the country is deeply engrafted upon Christianity, and not upon hte doctrines of worship of those imposters [o the religions] the Constitutional declaration never meant to withdraw religion in general, and with it the best sanctions of moral and social obligation from all consideration and notice of the law. Christianity is part and parcel of the law of the land.' Why would it be against the law to bash Christianity if it weren't part of our country and government? Can't say the same thing for other Religions like Islam and the wicked beliefs of Atheism. Unless you could show me the court case please from around that time...lol..good luck!

Rufus King was a signer of the Constitution and a Christian.

Cyrus King- signer of the Constitution of the US and in response to Thomas Jefferson?s announcing his plans to donate over 600 books to the Library of Congress moved, 'Select there from all books of an atheistical, irreligious, and immoral tendency, and send the same back to Mr. Jefferson without any expense to him.' Christian books in the Library of Congress? If the government wasn't Christian, why admit the books? That would be against their intentions!

John Langdon was a signer of the Constitution and a Christian.

William Livingston was a signer of the Constitution and was a Christian.

John Locke had a profound influence onf our Flouding Fathers and he was the third most frequently quoted author of the founding fathers. His classification of the basic natural rights of man i the right to 'life, liberty, and property' not only influenced Jefferson in the writing of the Declaration of Independence, but is also reflected in the Fifth and Fourteenth amendments. He was also a Christian.

What about the First Charter of Massachusetts in 1629- which stated, 'For directing disposing of all other Matters and Things, where by our said People maie wynn and incite the Natives of the Country to the Knowledge and Obedience of the true God and Savior of Mankind, and the Christian Faith.'

Supreme Court of MASS in 1838 in the case Commonwealth vs Abner Kneeland, who claimed the right to 'Freedom of press' as a defense of r publishing libelous and defamatory remarks about Christianity and God. the stature, 'That if any person blaspheme the name of God, by denying, cursing, his creation, government, or final judging of the world mayb be described as consisting in speaking evil of the Deity. It is purposely using words concerning God....to impair and destroy and reverence, respect, and confidence due him....that this statured itself is repugnant to the Constitution....[This law] was passed very soon after the Constitution, and no doubt, many members of convention which framed the Constitution, werer members of legislature which passed this law. New Hampshire has a similar declaration...denial of the being and existence of God is prohibited by stature, and declared blasphemy. In Vermont similar declaration of rights 1797 ....the being and existence of God...deemed....and an offender against the good morals of society. The state of Maine...adopted the same constitution provision. The first amendment embraces all who believe in the existence of God, as Christians of every denomination. This provision does not extend to Atheists, because they do not believe in God or religion; and therefore...their sentiments and professions, whatever they may be, cannot be called religious sentiments and professions. Do not skip over this. Address this please.

Mayflower compact in 1620, americas first great government docutment, was signed by the Pilgrims before they disembarked their ship, the MAYFLOWER> 'In ye name of God, Amen. We, the loyall subjects of our dread soveraigne Lord, Kings James, having undertaken, for ye glorie of God, and advancemente of ye Christian faith, a voyage to plant ye first colonie in ye Northerne parts of Virginia...doe by these presents solemnly and mutually in ye presence of God.

JAmes McHenry was one of the signers of the Constitution and was a Christian.

Gouverneur Morris, WRITER of the final draft of the Constitution of the US, writing 'Observation on Government, Applicable to the Political State of France and Notes on the Form of a Constitution for France' -Religion is the only solid basis of Good morals; therefore education should teach the precepts of religion, and the duties of man toward God.

New England 9Synod of ) Churches 1648 defined duties of citizens, functions of civil magistrates and the nature of civil government.

I. God, Supreme Lord and King of all the world, hath ordained civil magistrates to be under him, over the people and for this own glory and the public good.

II. It is lawful for Christians to accept and execute the office of magistrate when called thereunto.

Constitution of New England Confederation 1643, as covenanted together by the colonists of New Plymouth, New Haven, MAss and Connecticut stated 'we all came to these parts of America with teh same end, to addvance teh Kingdome of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to enjoy the liberties of Gospell thereof with purities and peace, and for preserving and propagating the truth and liberties of the gospel.

New Haven Colony Charter- 1644, adopted the rules for governing the courts of the New Haven Colony station, 'The Judicial laws of God, as they were delivered by Moses...[are to] be a rule to all the courts in this jurisdiction.'

New Jersey Colony 1697 - Governor BAsse proclaimed, 'It being very necessary for...obedience to the laws of God. .encouraging...the observance of the Lord's day.

Colonial Legislature of New York Colony 1665 passed this act, 'Whereas the public worship of God is much discredited for want of painful [laborious] able ministers to instruct the people in the true religion, it is ordered that a church be built in each parish...ministers of every church shall preach every sunday...Sunday is not ot be profaned by traveling, by laborers, or vicious persons...Church wardens to report twice a year all misdemeanors, such as swearing, profaneness, Sabbath-breaking, fornication, adultery, and all such sins.

William Paterson was a signer of the Constitution and was Christiain.

William Penn, Founder of Pennsylvania was a Christian also, and in 1681 wrote to a friend about the land given to him, 'Make and establish such laws as shall best preserve true Christian and civil liberty, in all opposition to all unchristian..practices.' So, you can see the founder of state was Christian and intended the state to be so. in 1701 his 'Charter of Privileges granted for the province of Pennsylvania, which stated: All persons living in this province, who confess and acknowledge the one Almighty to be the Creator....and that all persons who also profess to believe in Jesus Christ, shall be capable to serve this governement in any capacity, both legislatively or executively.'

The Charter of Pennsylvania in 1681 stated the goal of the state was, 'To reduce the savage natives by gentle and just manners to hte love of Civil soceite and Christian religion.'

Great Law of Pennsylvania in 1682, the first legislative act of the state proclaimes, 'Whereas the glory of God and the good of mankind is the reason and end of government, laws as shall best preserve true Christian and civil liberty, in opposition to all unchristian, licentious, and unjust practices, whereby God may have his due, and Caeser his due, and the people their due, from tyranny and oppression.'

Charles Cotesworth Pinckney was a singer of the Constitution and a Christian.

Charter of the Plymouth Council in 1620 declare the purpose of the colony was, 'In the hope thereby to advance the enlargement of the Christian religion, to the glory of God Almighty.'

John Pory in 1619, sought to plan the method of government which would be used in the future, 'Be it enacted by this assembly that for laying a surer foundation for the conversion of the Indians to Christian religion, each town, city , borough, and particular plantation do obtain unto themselves, a certain number of the natives' children to be educated by them in true religion and fa civil course of life.'

Samuel Pufendorf was famous for writing 'the Law of Nature and Nations' which greatly influenced our Founding Fathers. He was a Christian. his words were standard in colonial colleges and highly recommended by writers of our Constitution. He stated, 'Atheists are not, strictly speaking, God's enemies..but his rebellious subjects, and c onsequently guilty of Treason against the Divine Majesty,....It is no such obscure matter, therefore to assign the particular Species of Sin, to which Atheism belongs.' Hmm. More frowning upon Atheism from more influencial people.

Edmund Randolph was a member of Continental Congress and a delegate to the Constitutional Convention. in 1787 he moved, 'That a sermon be preached at the request of the convention on the 4th of July. (you may want to know that prayers have opened both houses of Congress ever since, and they are not prayers of a Deists, Buddhist, Islamist, etc.)

George Read was a signer of the Constitution of the US and was a Christian. He is known as the father of Delaware. He wrote the states first laws and Constitution, 'Delaware 1776 Article XXII. Every person who shall be chosen a member of either house, or appointed to any office or place of trust...shall...make and subscribe the following declaration, to wit, "I ------, do profess faith in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ, and I do acknowledge the holy scriptures of Old and New testaments to be given by divine inspiration.'

Charter of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations in 1663 reads, 'We submit our persons, lives, and estates unto our Lord Jesus Christ, pursuing ...godly edifieing themselves..in the holie Christian faith and worshipp..to sincere professions and obedience of the same faith and worship..a most flourishing civil state may stand and best be maintained...grounded upon gospel principles.'

Constitution of Rhode Island 1842- We the people and state of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, grateful to God for civil and religious liberty which he hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to him for a blessing upon our endeavors to secure and to transmit the same unimpaired to succeeding generations, do ordain and establish this constitution of Government.'

Benjamin Rush signer of the Declaration in 1798 after the adoption of the Constitution declared 'The only foundation for... a republic is to be laid in Religion.' he was a Christian also.

Roger Sherman signed all four founding documents! He was also on the commitee which decided the wording of the first amendment.

Fundamental Constitutions of the Carolinas 1663 drawn up by John Locke stated, 'No man shall be permitted to be a freeman of Carolina, or to have any estated of habitation within it that doth not acknoowledge a God, and that God is publicly and solemnly to be worshipped.

Constitution of South Carolina in 1778 Article XXXVIII -That all persons and religouis societies who acknowledge that there is one god and a future state of rewards and punishments, shall be freely tolerated....That all denominations of Christians....shall enjoy equal religious and civil privileges.

Supreme Court of South Carolina in 1846 case of City of Charleston vs S.A. Benjamin, the prosecuting attorney explained, "Christianity is part of the common law of the land. It has always been so recognized. The US Constutution allows it as part of the common law. The President is allowed ten days [to sign a bill] with the exception of SUnday. The Sabbath is still to be supported...Christianity ...is the foundation of those morals and manners upon which our society is formed." The Supreme Court Agreed with the prosecuting attorney and stated, "IN the courts over which we preside, we daily acknowledge Christianity as the most solemn part of our administration. In the case Updegraph vs The commonwealth-Christianity is and always has been a part of common law." Please prove to me this man was lying....good luck!

Do not forget Joseph Story, Justice to Supreme Court in his work 'A Familiar Exposition of the Constitution of the US' in 1840 states, "We are not to attribute this prohibition o a national religious establishment {in the First Amendment] to an indifference to religion in general, and especially to Christianity which none could hold in more reverence than the framers of the Constitution)...at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, and of the Amendment to it now under consideration, the general, if not the universal, sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement from the State so far as was not incompatible with the private rights of conscience and freedom or religious worship." In his commentary of the First amendments meaning,? The real object of the First Amendment was not to countenance, much less to advance Mohammedanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity, but to exclude all rivalry among Christian Sects and to prevent any national ecclesiastical patronage of national government."

Constitution of Tennessee 1786 stated in Article VIII Section II stated, "No person who denies the Being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state."

Jonathan Trumbull was the British Governor of Connecticut in the early 1770's wrote, 'If you ask an American, who is his master? He will tell you he has none, nor any governor but Jesus Christ.'

Constitution of State of Vermont 1786 stated 'Each member of [legislature] before he takes his seat, shall make and subscribe the following declaration, "I do believe in one God and acknowledge the Scripture of the Old and New testment to be given by divine inspiration, ? and profess the [Christian] religion.

Second Charter of Virginia in 1609 stated 'Because the principal Effect which we can expect or desire of this Action is the Conversion and reduction of the people in those parts untothe true worship of God and the Christian Religion'