Tongues_Discussion

Hello all,

I would encourage everyone to read I Corinthians 12-14 all the way through. Keep in mind the Corinthians problems: They placed a greater importance on tongue speaking than on the other spiritual gifts mentioned in chapter 12. Paul showed that it was not a "greater gift". The gift of prophesy was greater (14:5). More importantly, however, was Love. Love was going to last. It was the greatest. When everything else was finished, Love would still be around and it would never fail. The spiritual gifts, however, would eventually cease (13:8) when "that which is perfect" came. After the "perfect law of liberty" was revealed, there was no longer a need for spiritual gifts. This is not to say that they were not important. They were: however, they served a purpose. When that purpose was completed, they were no longer necessary. The purpose of miracles & signs was in order to "confirm the word." (Mark 16:20). Here was Jesus and His apostles teaching things that the world had never heard. This man Jesus even claimed to be the Son of God! How could Jesus prove who He was? How could the apostles prove who they were following? By the use of miracles, signs and the spiritual gifts. After the word was confirmed, the use of spiritual gifts were no longer necessary. Hebrews 2:3 says that the word "was confirmed." Now we have the Bible, the complete word of God which equips us for every good work (II Tim. 3:16-17; Jude 3). Everything that God desires for us to do and know, is contained in the revealed Word.

Study Carefully,

Shane

I started to read the chapters you mentioned and found this. 1Cor. 12:3 "Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God say, 'Jesus is cursed,' and no one can say, 'Jesus is Lord,' except by the Holy Spirit"

Paul gave us these words to help us to discern whether some one is of God or Satan. There are many diverse denominations and sects within the Christian Faith. If you are going to say that because some one teaches this doctrine they are false teachers then where do you stop. No one here on Earth is perfect or has the perfect Gospel. According to the Matthew Henry's Commentary 1Cor. 13:8 is speaking of the fact that Love will make it into Heaven and the other spiritual gifts will not be needed. The need for them will be finished. There is no place in the Bible or in Church History that says that the other spiritual gifts will cease before we see heaven.

So then do you believe that every denomination or sect who claims to be "Christian" is right in God's sight? Are there to be no distinctions made? Why is there so much division then?

I know it is easy to go to a commentary to see what someone wrote about a particular subject but that is usually not the best way to study. Matthew Henry's comments does not prove something one way or the other. My comments do not either. We must look to the scriptures to determine what is right and wrong. "So then do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is." (Eph. 5:17) How do we know His will? "And by referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ..." (Eph. 3:4)

Study Carefully,

Shane

Hi,

No I am not saying that every denomination or sect that claims to be Christian what it claims to be. What I am saying is that there are some doctrines that do not have a clear answer in the Bible and some do. The Bible is clearly against such things as lust, fornication, homosexuality etc. However it is not as clear on such subjects as Calvinism vs. Armenianism. I believe that if we hold true to the words of Romans 10:9,10 then we are on the right track. "If we confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in our heart that God raised him from the dead then we will be saved. ... 11)..."Anyone who trusts in him will not be put to shame." The him in this verse is God.

The fact of the matter is we are justified by Faith and not by works or for that matter what we believe. As long as we hold to the basic tenets that are clear in the word including Romans 10:9,10. Our faith is more of a heart matter than something that we have to work out. Who knows someone's heart better than God.

As to the situation of division in the Church is that we are human. None of us are perfect. One group says this tenet is very important and I will not associate with those who do not believe as I do. Another group believe that a certain other doctrine is more important and so they keep to themselves. That is what starts division. 1Cor. 3 covers this very same thing.

As far as how I study I use 2 to 3 different commentaries, 3 different versions of the Bible, and a Strong's Concordance, as well as a literal translation of the Bible. I am at a lost right now because my computer is not working so I am working from another computer.

God Bless,
If I am unclear in my explaination of what I believe then please ask more questions and I will try to be more clear.

Why is Rom. 10:9-10 more important than any other verse? Shouldn't all verses that talk of salvation be given equal consideration. The whole picture of salvation (or any topic for that matter) should consist of "all" that God says on that topic. People seem to want to run to Romans 10 and say, "Well that's it!" Others will run to Eph. 2:8-9 and say, "That's it." The same is true with John 3:16. What of all the conversions in the book of Acts? What of Matthew 28:18-20 or Mark 16:15-16? There are so many other passages.

How are we justified by faith? Many will turn to Romans 4:1-5 and say "Faith is all that is necessary." Romans 4:3 is a quotation from Gen 15:6. What is normally left out, however, is that it is also quoted by James in James 2:22-23. "Faith was working with his works..." It is true that we can never earn our way to heaven. We will never be deserving. But does this do away with things that God has told us to do and our obedience to it? Absolutely not. That's the point of Eph. 2, works that make God owe us salvation. If works are unnecessary, why does Paul say in vs. 10 that this is why we were created? Isn't it interesting that many quote Eph. 2:8-9 instead of 8-10. What of James 2:24? The only verse that has "faith" and "alone" in it and the verse says that we are not saved by faith alone.

Study Carefully,

Shane

Hi guys, I'm new here. I agree that some atrocious things are being taught and preached in the name of "gifts, signs, and wonders". The bible refers to this as zeal with no knowledge. These small fellowships are more cult than christian. And you can't discern by labels, but by getting to know the teachers, preachers personally and getting to know their motives; and moreso by studying the word for yourself! Thats the most important. It is after all a PERSONAL relationship with Jesus that we have and how beautiful and gracious he is to "show us great and mighty things which we know not".

Twelve years ago, I did not know much of the bible, I had made a dicision to live for Jesus, I had quit doing drugs, all I knew is that I loved Jesus sooo much and that he was the most wonderful and beautiful man I had ever known. I heard a lot about the tongues thing. I went up in church many times to recieve the Holy Spirit, but nothing. Finally while alone at home, I prayed,God if this is real I want it, if not I dont want to hear about it again. Then I began to pray and to praise him and tell him how much I loved him and was so thankful for all that he had taken me out of, and then the language just began to change from my mouth. Then the Spirit enveloped me and for the first time I heard God's voice, that sweet still small voice (before I ever knew it was described that way) And He spoke to me to forgive my mother, and my grandmother as they were very abusive to me growing up. And for a moment I was in thier shoes, feeling how they felt. And I was finally able to forgive them. THAT, my friend, is the power of the Holy Ghost!
He takes angry bitter drug addicts and transforms them into loving caring respectable human beings. That is the LIVING Word taken from the pages of the bible and written into a persons heart. Jesus said we would know by the fruit.
Would a heretical doctrine produce fruit like that?

Also bear in mind that there are many people who have never heard of a Jesus and wouldn't know if one hit them in the face. We can tell them till we are blue in the face, argue about tongues, but it is the power of the Holy Ghost, and the fruit produced in a tongue praying believer that speaks volumes. We will know by the fruit.

I, too, have seen some atrocious things over the years. All too often, I can't tell what is real. I know that some of the things, that may not be real, are not done with malicious intent, but by well meaning people.

I was saved in 1971, at the age of 22. It was during the time of the "Jesus People Movement". It was a very exciting time, probably the closest that I have seen to a real revival. There were Christian coffee houses and fellowships all over town, filled with new believers. All of us were so excited about knowing Jesus.

I began to attend a Pentecostal fellowship on Tuesday nights. There would be good singing, testimonies and preaching. Then, there would be an alter call for salvation and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. One night, I responded to the call to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. I was brought down to a prayer room. About 6 people crowded around me, laid hands on me and began to pray. Then someone said to me, "Say Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, over and over". I did. In a short time, I was tripping over my words, and someone said, "He's got it!". I thought that I was speaking in tongues and I repeated that process for some time.

Then, one night, I went to a coffee house. There was a prayer meeting. I felt as though God touched me at that meeting. I came home late. My unsaved roommate was in bed. I laid on the couch, put on my headphones and some worship music and began to worship the Lord in my heart. Then, all of a sudden, to my great surprise, I started speaking in tongues. It was real. It was nothing like I had experienced before. I spoke loudly, because I had headphones on. My roommate was shocked. He later told me, that it made him go into a cold sweet. He did not get saved then, but I think that he is now on the verge of getting saved, almost 30 years later.

When I was prayed for at the Tuesday night fellowship, I believe that I was literally taught to speak in tongues. I sometimes wonder, how many other people have had that happen. There is no way to know. We all need to seek Jesus, and nothing else and receive whatever He wants to give us, but also to be satisfied with Him and Him alone.

"If tounges is not for today's chruch, how do you explain its manifestation in the Body of Christ?"

From what I have seen and heard about tongues today, it hardly resembles what I read about in the NT. Today, someone has a feeling come over them and they start rattling off something that's unintelligible. They have no idea what it is. People get excited about the actual speaking instead of focusing on what the purpose was supposed to be. This was the problem with the Corinthians. They thought tongue speaking was the best thing. It wasn't. Prophecy was better (I Cor. 14:5) and love was by far greater. It would last forever, whereas tongue speaking and all the gifts would cease (13:8).

That was not the purpose in the NT. When the apostles spoke in tongues in Acts 2, it was to a vast group of people who spoke various languages. This is why the Jews marveled at the apostles saying, "Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? How is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born." (Acts 2:7-8). Tongue speaking in the NT was an actual language. It was not its own language. If, for example, we had visitors on Sunday from Germany and someone in the assembly started speaking German who had never studied it before, that would be comparable to what happened in the NT. Someone with the gift of interpretation was always there so that all could understand the speaking.

Now I know some of you (or maybe a lot of you) have had various "experiences." I'm not going to try and tell you that you didn't have them. I never try and explain away someone's emotions. I will, however, believe what the Bible teaches over anyone's personal experience story.

When we can see how tongue speaking worked and what it was in the NT, it makes it much clearer.

Study Carefully,

Shane

hi! excellect post, and piont very well taken! the problem here is along the lines of what you referred to as differing "doctrinal nuances" is very certainly true! BUT what 95% of believers has utterly FAILED to discern is the BIG difference between DOCTRINE and DOGMA! God, in his infinite mercy does indeed grant us MUCH lattitude in our personal and collective perception of how we should live, and what we should derive from our study of his word. BUT some things quite simply TRANSCEND personal or collective doctrine!! a good number of things fall under DOGMA, and thats quite a different ballgame indeed! dogma is not an arguable position between believers! some things are true, some things are false, some things are right, and some things are wrong! period! IF the spirit is truley WITHIN us, then
we are OBLIGATED to discern the difference!! the bible is quite clear that tongues are for ALL OF THE CHURCH, and you have to ignore very dogmatic statements in the bible to even attempt to refute this! this, however will not excuse the abuse of the gift, which is the rule, not the exception today, unfortunately....

Much is said in the Bible regarding the importance of "Doctrine." I don't find anything in the Bible concerning "Dogma."

The importance of our "doctrine" is stressed time and time again. Jesus condemned many of the Pharisees because they were putting their traditions above the commandments of God. He said, "In vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." (Matt. 15:9) Their "doctrine" was in error. Paul talked of those who were as children being carried about by every wind of Doctrine (Eph. 4:14). He urged Timothy to remain in Ephesus so that he might instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines (I Tim. 1:3). In Paul's Letter to Titus, one of the qualifications of an Elder was that he might be "able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict" (Titus 1:9). In John's second epistle he urged his audience to not go beyond the doctrine of Christ (II John 9).

It's a lot nicer of a thought to think that we have all kinds of lattitude when it comes to doctrine but the Bible doesn't support this. This is one of the main problems in the religious world today. People think it doesn't matter what you believe. "Go to the church of your choice," is the common plea among many. "Just believe whatever you want as long as you accept Christ." It's no wonder their are over 1600 different denominations. How many were there in the NT?

What exactly is a "non arguable postion" as opposed to that which is personal lattitude (not important)? Is there a list of these items? How is it that you "discern the difference?"

Study Carefully,

Shane

"I don't find anything in the Bible concerning Dogma."

its all over the place! its up to us to recognize!

for an example, dogma teaches us that God is all powerful, and all righteous, correct?
a dogmatic statement in the bible is one that states something in, for lack of a better term, a profoundly plain term. example - THOU SHALT NOT KILL!(murder). I AM THE LORD THY GOD, THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME! see the pattern? no mistake about it! just like 2 + 2 = 4, get it? theres no mistake about that. it would definately help if you could learn the original languages, but its not completely necessary to recognize their signifigance even in english. if you were to examine these things in their context, they would begin to JUMP out at you. i urge you to dig deeper! our spiritual development as a body demands it!!

"(Titus 1:9). In John's second epistle he urged his audience to not go beyond the doctrine of Christ (II John 9)"

if you only knew what was really being said there.
be well!

Why are all of these "profoundly plain terms" to be labeled as Dogma and not doctrine? Is it up to each person's individual standards as to what is really important or is there a standard in the scriptures that must be followed?

Where in the scriptures has God told us that He has granted to us "MUCH lattitude in our personal and collective perception of how we should live, and what we should derive from our study of his word"?

Paul told Timothy to "retain the standard of sound words which you have heard from me..." (II Tim. 2:13)

The emphasis in scripture is in not adding to or taking away from God's word (Rev. 22:18-19; Deut. 4:2). We are not to exceed (or go beyond) what God has revealed to the apostles (I Cor. 4:6)

I quoted II John 9 because John talks of abiding in the doctrine of Christ. Perhaps you will enlighten us as to the "true" meaning of II John 9, if you think it should not have been quoted.

Study Carefully,

Shane

Shane,

May I ask you a personal question? If you do not believe in speaking in tongues, then why do you belong to a pentecostal Club?

What is your purpose here?

You always end your posts with Study Carefully? However what you post doesn't seem to correspond with what the Bible teaches?

You say tongues is not for today. Where is that in Scripture? From what I get out of your post yoju base your belief on your experience not Scripture. You loosely use 1 Cor. 12-14.

First of all you are confusing 2 different times that tongues are used. You use Acts to back up your teaching. That time was in a group. It was only the first time tongues were used. In Acts 10:46 Peter associated the Baptism in the Holy Spirit with speaking in tongues. So are you saying that the Holy Spirit is no longer with us?

Look at 1 Cor. 12:10 Paul speaks of speaking in different kinds of tongues and interpretation of tongues. If we know what the language then why do we need interpretation?

Here is another question for you? Do you believe that miracles and healing are not for today? In 1 Cor 12:28 Paul listed them together with administrators, prophets, and helpers. Are these only for the early church as well?

In 1 Cor. 13 Paul tells us we need Love but that doesn't mean that tongues and the Baptism in the Spirit in not needed anymore. In 1 Cor. 13:10 (one of the verses that many use to discount Tongues and the baptism of the Spirit.) the word perfect is translated from the Greek word "teleios" which means complete as in labor, growth, mental and moral character. Has everything been completed in this world? Has Jesus begun to reign in this world? I say no. Romans tells us "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". How can our moral character be complete?

1 Cor. 14:5 "Paul says that he would rather we prophesy than speak in tongues, UNLESS we interpret. Why is there need to interpret if the tongues are known languages? In 1 Cor. 14:18,19 Paul says that he is glad that he speaks in tongues more than us all. In 19 he calls it an unknown tongue. In these verses Paul is using the greek word "Glossa" the definition of which includes a language that is not naturally acquired.

1 Cor. 14:22 states that tongues are for unbelievers. (This is talking about when they are used in a public gathering, not in personal prayer time.)1Cor. 14:39 says "Do not forbid speaking in tongues". Are we to disobey the very Word of God? In fact you should probably read 1 Cor. 14:37-39. It has some very interesting reading.

God Bless

Hello all,

This is going to be a long post. It will most likely have to be broken up into a couple posts. This also will be my last post. I appreciate your apology _______, although it was not necessary. I do not think bad of you or of anyone here. Many of you are unhappy with what I have said, that is unfortunate. I do wish that all would look at this last letter and give it some thought. I have put a lot of time into trying to make this as clear as possible and I hope it is beneficial to you. My comments are in between the brackets. ________'s comments are in italics. This has not been written with any malice or ill will. If you wish to correspond further with me, I will be more than happy too. You can contact me at shanewms@sheltonbbs.com
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Shane,

May I ask you a personal question? If you do not believe in speaking in tongues, then why do you belong to a pentecostal Club?

[Awhile back I joined this club to ask a question regarding water baptism. I periodically check different clubs to see what is going on in them. I came across something that I felt needed to be responded to and here we are today. I am sorry that so many people have taken offense to what I have said. I am not sorry, however, for speaking what I believe the Bible teaches. When someone questions what you believe, that does not mean that the person doesn�t like you or thinks you are dumb. Such was never my intention. It is good to have our beliefs questioned. When we search for answers we will always be benefited. I�m talking about myself here also. Many of you may have never heard anything close to what I have said. It is easier to criticize than to actually study and find out what the scriptures say. I constantly study and try and learn the truth more fully. I believe many of you have missed the point of many passages of scripture. This doesn�t mean I am mean or unloving, I simple ask you to �study carefully.� I try to do exactly the same thing.]

You always end your posts with Study Carefully? However what you post doesn't seem to correspond with what the Bible teaches?

[I have harmonized what I have said. If you give me some specifics, I�ll try and answer them.]

You say tongues is not for today. Where is that in Scripture? From what I get out of your post yoju base your belief on your experience not Scripture. You loosely use 1 Cor. 12-14.

[I have explained the basis for this belief in previous posts. I do not base my belief on personal experience. Look back at some previous posts and you will see that others have done just that. No scripture, just �look what happened to me.� I gave an example of what I have seen and read, this is not the basis of my argument. I do not believe I have loosely used I Cor. 12-14. It is in harmony with the purpose of the scriptures.]

More in the next post!

Part II

First of all you are confusing 2 different times that tongues are used. You use Acts to back up your teaching. That time was in a group. It was only the first time tongues were used. In Acts 10:46 Peter associated the Baptism in the Holy Spirit with speaking in tongues. So are you saying that the Holy Spirit is no longer with us?

[I do not confuse the 2 different times that tongues are used. You misunderstand my point. Baptism of the HS is no longer with us. There is not a command for anyone to be baptized in the HS (verse?). Baptism of the Spirit was promised to the apostles (John 14:26; 15:26; 16:13; Acts 1:5, 7-8). The Holy Spirit would teach them all things. The Holy Spirit would guide them into all truth. He would bring to their remembrance all that Jesus taught them. He would disclose to them what was to come. One of the main problems today with people�s view of the Holy Spirit is they think this was spoken to them! Some of you chide me for supposedly taking things out of context! The context of all these passages is that the apostles would be given the HS. This is why we have assurance of the scriptures. It was not the apostles� opinions that they were writing. They were guided by the HS. Paul said, �For I would have you know brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through revelation of Jesus Christ.� (Gal. 1:11-12) The Holy Spirit is with us but not in the way most seem to think. He is not some mystical, indefinable substance. He is not a fog or anything like �the force� on Star Wars. The Holy Spirit revealed the Bible. He is the revelator and the Bible is the revelation. The Bible is the product of the Spirit, but it is not the Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3 with 5:4). He is eternal (Heb. 9:4). He is omnipresent (Psa. 139:7-10; I Cor. 6:19). He is Omniscient (I Cor. 2:10-11; John 16:13-14). The scripture distinguishes the HS from both the Father and the Son. He is a separate, distinct, individual person in the godhead (Mt. 3:16-17; 28:19).

Cornelius' household received the baptism of the HS to show Peter that the Gentiles could be partakers in the gospel. HS baptism didn't save them (Look at his recounting of the events in Acts 11:13-18). It was the words he spoke and their action towards those words that saved them.

There is only one baptism (Eph. 4:5). Water baptism is the commanded baptism (Acts 10:47; 8:36-39)]

Look at 1 Cor. 12:10 Paul speaks of speaking in different kinds of tongues and interpretation of tongues. If we know what the language then why do we need interpretation?

[First, in verse 10, the word �divers� or �various� or �different� is not even there in the Greek. Do you deny that in Acts 2 the apostles were speaking actual languages? Is tongue speaking only sometimes a language and other times its own language? We would not know the language, unless we had studied it or had an interpreter. The unbelievers on Pentecost heard the message in their own languages. There would have to be an interpreter in an assembly so that all would understand. Look at (I Cor. 14:9-13)]

Part III

Here is another question for you? Do you believe that miracles and healing are not for today? In 1 Cor 12:28 Paul listed them together with administrators, prophets, and helpers. Are these only for the early church as well?

[I�ve talked about the purpose of miracles and signs in other posts. The purpose was to confirm the word spoken (Mark 16:20). Hebrews 2:2-3 says that �it was confirmed.� If the word of Jesus and the apostles was confirmed, what purpose would they serve in continuing? Someone who is not a Christian can find out what needs to be done by reading the Bible. Such was not the case in the first century. Everyone did not have a copy of the NT. That�s why they had to rely on the gifts. But when revelation was completed, the gifts were done away with. Their purpose was complete. That�s what I Cor. 13:8-13 teaches. Remember that this letter was written to the Corinthians concerning the problems they had: Division (chapter 1), Immorality (chapter 5), Lawsuits (chapter 6), Marriage (chapter 7), Liberties (chapters 8-9), Spiritual gifts (chapter 12-14), & Christ�s resurrection (chapter 15). The Corinthians had a problem in their understanding of spiritual gifts. They considered tongue speaking to be the most coveted gift. It was not. Paul shows what is really important. Prophecy was better than tongues because it edified the whole assembly. When everyone spoke in tongues it was chaos (14:23). Paul lays down some guidelines of how it should work (14:27-40). It was to be done decently and in an orderly fashion, one by one. This instruction does not take away from what he said in Chapter 13, however. He shows the temporary nature of the gifts. They could have differing views on what the greatest gift was but eventually they would all cease. Love was much more important than worrying about what the best gift was and putting yourself above someone else if you had the gift of tongues. Doesn�t that make sense?]

More to come!

Part IV

In 1 Cor. 13 Paul tells us we need Love but that doesn't mean that tongues and the Baptism in the Spirit in not needed anymore. In 1 Cor. 13:10 (one of the verses that many use to discount Tongues and the baptism of the Spirit.) the word perfect is translated from the Greek word "teleios" which means complete as in labor, growth, mental and moral character. Has everything been completed in this world? Has Jesus begun to reign in this world? I say no. Romans tells us "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". How can our moral character be complete?

[The phrases �that which is perfect� and �that which is in part� stand in contrast with each other and, therefore, must be used together in defining what each is. �Part� of course means, �a part, portion, of the whole.� �Perfect� signifies having reached its end, finished, completed. If I can identify what �that which is in part� is, then I will know what �that which is perfect� is. It must refer to perfection or completeness in the same realm as that realm which was denoted by �that which is in part.� But we know what �that which is in part� is. It is used to describe the manner in which God revealed Himself to man through spiritual gifts. Hence, �that which is in part� is the partial revelation of God�s will to men. �That which is perfect,� therefore, is the completed or perfected revelation of God�s will to man.

Example: If I can identify one slice of pie as cherry pie, I will know that the whole pie is cherry pie. Similarily, if I can identify �that which is in part�, I will know what �that which is perfect� is. I can positively identify �that which is in part� as prophecy, the gift of knowledge, and tongue speaking; hence, �that which is in part� is the way God reveals �in part� his will to men by means of spiritual gifts. Since �that which is in part� refers to �in part revelation, � then �that which is perfect� must be identified as the completed revelation.

Paul is saying that when God�s revelation was completed, the miraculous spiritual gifts would cease.]

1 Cor. 14:5 "Paul says that he would rather we prophesy than speak in tongues, UNLESS we interpret. Why is there need to interpret if the tongues are known languages? In 1 Cor. 14:18,19 Paul says that he is glad that he speaks in tongues more than us all. In 19 he calls it an unknown tongue. In these verses Paul is using the greek word "Glossa" the definition of which includes a language that is not naturally acquired.

[Paul recognized the problem the Corinthians were having (Many tongue speakers, no interpreters). Most translations do not have �unknown� in verse 19. You quote part of strong�s definition. I could just as easily quote from Thayer�s, �the language or dialect used by a particular people distinct from that of other nations.� That really doesn�t prove anything other than there are various definitions.]

1 Cor. 14:22 states that tongues are for unbelievers. (This is talking about when they are used in a public gathering, not in personal prayer time.)1Cor. 14:39 says "Do not forbid speaking in tongues". Are we to disobey the very Word of God? In fact you should probably read 1 Cor. 14:37-39. It has some very interesting reading.

[This is easily understood by many of the things which I previously stated.]

I still say "Study Carefully."

Shane