SHAKIN' THE DISEASE
Over the following pages we examine the legacy of
those quintessential rock 'n' rollers The Cramps.
Here Robin Gibson meets LA's coolest 'teenagers' and
finds them suitably disgusted with the youth of today.
Sunglasses before dark by Steve Double
(SOUNDS February 17th 1990)

ROCK 'N' roll in Los Angeles 1990 is a joke. The sprawling city teems with
drongos in drippy hairdos and dipstick clobber
from myriad stores that flog the same old tat
they've been peddling down London's
Kensington Market for the last half-decade.

The scene portrayed so hilariously on celluloid in The
Decline Of Western Civilisation Part II: The Metal Years is
only depressing in the flesh.
The mags of the metropolis carry identikit ads for bands
with names like Teezer, Pleezer, Skweezer and Kreemer.
Their aspirations are to be the next Guns N' Roses or
Poison; their knowledge of rock, R&B and the blues seems
to start with 'Sticky Fingers'-period Stones; and their
motives are questionable.
But 20 minutes' drive away by fur-lined '56 Dodge Golden
Lancer, in the hills of East Hollywood up by the old Allied
Artists movie studios, live
The Cramps.
Probably still bathed in the eerie glow of the TV set
described on the sleeve note of their 'Gravest Hits' EP of
'79, Poison Ivy, Lux Interior, drummer Nick Knox and bassist
Candy Del Mar don't often go out in daylight. And when
they do they carry parasols.
The Cramps are the
quintessential rock 'n' rollers who save the city.
The Cramps have stayed pale and their new album, a
great disc which flobs all over their last studio album
is 'Stay Sick!'.
On these Godforsaken boulevards of blow-dried dreams.
The Cramps are a groovy quicksand. They know their stuff.
"It beats shovellin' snow, livin' here," says a shiny black
Poison Ivy Rorschach.
Lux Interior, Cramped singer, sums it up: "I think the main
reason we live here is because you can keep a big old car
here. That's really great."


IF YOU didn't know The Cramps, you may now, as their
new single, 'Bikini Girls With Machine Guns', rattled into the
Top 40 last week - an unprecedented happening for the
band whose enthrallingly sick and often sordid rock 'n'
rollercoaster has never taken them close to the
mainstream  If you do know
The Cramps, you'll know that
their earliest sleazy emissions — horribly twisted,
hysterical resuscitations of rockin' corpses like 'Surf in'
Bird' and 'The Way I Walk' and their first two classic
albums, 'Songs The Lord Taught Us' and 'Psychedelic
Jungle' — set the way for the malevolent '80s rock 'n' roll
and blues wrought by talents like
The Gun Club, The
Birthday Party
and The Sisters Of Mercy.

The follow-ups — another classic in the form of 'Smell Of
Female' and the patchy 'A Date With Elvis' - shared the
racks with a whole bunch of contemporaries trading under
The Cramps' psychobilly tag, and another bunch (the
goths) who'd adopted the band's earlier fixation with voodoo and magic.
Even in their deepest commercial trough
The Cramps came up with the raving goods live and remained a huge cult. And now they've returned with an LP littered with classic Cramps howls and some major label muscle (Enigma through Capitol) to back it up, rather than another indie or their own label. We shoot the black leather and PVC - clad Cramps at Greystone Park and find that even among afternoon LA sun-baskers lurks the occasional dark heart.
"Ivy, I just wanna tell you I love you guys," comes a cry from the top of the stone stairwell we're descending.
"Who are you?" yells back the guitarist.
"Oh, just a fan. . ."
"Well, don't bother with her. Ivy," declares Lux in his best Hanna-Barbera chuckle. "She's just a fan. . ."
No one could ever accuse
The Cramps of being liberals.

BACK IN the hotel bar, Poison Ivy Rorschach drinks mineral water and Lux Interior red wine. Apparently days of excess for
The Cramps are over but they're still classic outsiders.
"Not that we try to be," grumbles Lux. "But we certainly are. I wish we were just part of a great scene that was happenin' but that's not the way it is."
Isn't it a hopeless battle?
Ivy: "I don't think so. We've always had the vision and the power, we just need some muscle behind it. We don't wanna change anything we're doing, but we've taken it as far as we can by ourselves. Yeah, I have faith that we could blow it away. But, ah, it's pretty frightening that young people dance to electronic noise."
Lux: "It's pretty frightening, the things I see going on in, I guess, pop music. It's completely frightening that young people, who listen to what they consider hot, hip music and everything like that, really seem to be concerned with, like, morals and goodness and rock music that's doing something good for the world and all this kinda stuff. . , It's just like, it's depressing to me, horribly depressing."
The whole social work thing really blew up with Live Aid, didn't it?
"Yeah, I mean, rock 'n' roll was a totally anti-social thing when it started and then, maybe ten years ago, it actually got to that place where it was becoming respectable. And that was completely intolerable — but then from respectability, it went to the priesthood, or something! I can't believe it. "We just saw some band I won't mention (Guns N' Roses, as it happens) they showed up at some press conference or other and said fuck and damn and piss and shit all over the place - and they lost a lot of their fans. Their fans are upset because they were swearing and drunk. And this is something beyond my
scope of understanding."
Are
The Cramps, arguably the coolest perennial proto-teenagers in the world, disgusted by the young of today?
"Yeah," drawls Lux. "I think rock 'n' roll is supposed to be
listened to by teenagers-and, ah, my God! Where are
they?!? There is no such thing as a teenager any more. . ."
One song on the new album, 'God Damn Rock 'N' Roll', is
as close to a manifesto as
The Cramps will ever get —
espousing the kinda dirty trash that "don't save souls" and
don't have much to do with prime time TV either. It certainly
scuppers them in the parent-friendly rock stakes.
"We're saying it's supposed to be God damn," says Ivy.
"It's not supposed to be 'good ole', it's supposed to be God
damn. It's supposed to be this cursed, blighted thing. And
the whole thing of the album, 'Stay Sick!', that's what it's
about."
Lux: "The most important thing in rock 'n' roll is the attitude
and what the people are sayin'. It has to be apocalyptic. It
should be loaded with passion and tension and it should
get so exciting in two and a half minutes that it leaves you
wanting to put it back on at the beginning. The rock 'n' roll
attention span should'nt be any longer than two and a half minutes, anyway."

"The first time I went out with Ivy, we went to a rock 'n' roll show, and she wore a see-through
dress with nothin' underneath it. That's when I discovered she was an exhibitionist."

- LUX INTERIOR


Ivy: "And part of its goal is instant gratification."
Lux: "Savin' the world sounds like a lot of hard work to me,
y'know? (he laughs). I sorta feel like I don't have time
today — maybe tomorrow, y'know, I can get to it."
How much do you have to do with reality? Can people in
the street relate to you?
Ivy: "Ah, no. They don't seem to be able to. But, you know,
that's problems they have with reality. We don't fit into
whatever their narrow exposure is. That's OK, though."
Have you ever wanted to be role models?
Ivy: "I think we're both exhibitionists, so that must be an
innate urge to some kinda leadership. And apparently we
have some kind of leadership qualities, cos we seem to
suck a lot of people into following our whims, you know. So,
ah, yeah — I hope we're good role models."
Lux: "I don't care whether I'm good or not, just so long as
I'm a role model. . ."
When did you discover you were exhibitionists?
Lux: "Well, the first time I went out with her, we went to see
a rock 'n' roll show, and she wore a see-through dress with
nothin' underneath it. That's when I discovered she was an
exhibitionist. We were on acid at the time, so it must have
been a long time ago. 'Bout '72 or somethin'."
Ivy: "Me, I don't know. I was kind of a loner. I quit trying to
impress people at a pretty early age. I'm sure you're born
that way. It's like being born with a stripe down your back
or somethin'. It's just there. I think meetin' each other
helped. Havin' someone else to do somethin' with kinda
empowers you."
It takes a certain dedication to do what
The Cramps have
done. Some might call it fanaticism.
Lux: "I don't know. We don't know of nothin' else."
Ivy: "I ignore people, I'm sure plenty of people are thinkin'.
Who's she think she is? But that's not my problem. I don't
know what stops a lot of people from doing various things
but my criteria is. Is someone gonna hurt me for doin' this?
And other than that, why not do it, y'know? As long as
someone isn't gonna shoot me.
"I mean. What's anyone really gonna do to you? Even your parents. Now, what are your parents really gonna do to you? Come on, they're not gonna kill you, they're not gonna hurt you, so. . . do what you want, y'know? It's that easy."
It seems like rock 'n' roll has ceased to be an effective way to create a generation gap.
Lux: "Yeah, maybe that's because, today, the parents are cooler than the kids. That's the problem."
Ivy: "It must be weird for, y'know, some 40-year-old with a 20-year-old, square kid."


RIGHT FROM the start. The Cramps have made modern rock 'n' roll. At the point when classic rock was
denied a seat anywhere in the inner sanctum of punk, they came along and sucked it through a timewarp,
injecting equal parts US TV trash, credibly devilish, blues-derived imagery and sci-fi fascination into the
rockin' bones of R&B. They reminded the punk generation that it was a viable source.
Lux: "Yeah, there was a definite anti-rock 'n' roll sentiment in those punk days - no more Beatles, Rolling Stones, all that. But the thing that makes rock 'n' roll great is that it's timeless. "The '70s almost got into folk music, where they'd sing so much about what was goin' on right at that time, those little minuscule things. . .I mean, singin' about, ah, the Sandinistas, or somethin' like that, was, ah...(he shrugs)."

'A 45 record can be imprinted with the ghost of whoever owned it in the '50s and played it and danced to it. Trash and spirituality go together." - Poison Ivy

Should it actually be confined to certain subjects?
"Yeah, I think so. I hate to hear any rock 'n' roll that talks about religion. Religion is the stoopidest thing that ever happened on earth. I think it's something for fools and people that are against it are fools too. Who cares? There are quite a few things, though. Rock 'n' roll is about freedom and goin' crazy and sex and ah. . .all the things that frighten people."
Why do those things frighten people?
"Well, basically people are scared, and they're always lookin' for someone to tell 'em it's not scary, y'know? As soon as you're born, the doctor takes you out and starts smackin' you around and stuff., .and then there's a whole life of things to frighten you. What makes rock 'n' roll great is it's something that gives you the energy to rise above all that stuff. "But the thing I notice about song lyrics today is that they don't, ah. . . write about anything! A lot of the time in heavy metal, I like really great dumb lyrics, but it seems the lyrics they write now are in between stupid and some sort of sensitive artists. They're in that mid-range, mid-land. . .they're mediocre. I mean, maybe there's some purpose in people having dull lives, but I can't figure out why."
Ivy: "We're outsiders in a musical sense, because any other band seems to just zero in on one facet, and don't get hold of the whole thing. "Some of the influences that we have just go so far back, diggin' blues music and R&B and all, and that's
years and years — not just a matter of discovering the music and all of a sudden starting to listen to it. That's burnt in our brains. I'm not sure that someone else could just come along, dig what we're doin' and just step into our shoes."


THE CRAMPS are touched by the
darkness of the delta blues and voodoo
lore. But later generations of psychobillies
and goths picked up the thread only
cosmetically, not sussing its roots and
The
Cramps'
fix of genuinely scary hellhound
mumbo-jumbo and comic horror flick
imagery remains unchallenged.
Ivy: "The origin of that is from our very
original posters, like in 1976 when we
started playing and we'd write flamboyant
things to try and drag people in to our
shows. Like, we invented the term
psychobilly, and rockabilly voodoo. They
were carny words. And there was a kind of
hoodoo goin' on at our shows — but we
meant rock 'n' roll hoodoo, like instant raw
power magic that just happens, not
because of some old religious practice or
anything. . ."
Here looms the ghost of Bryan Gregory,
original
Cramps guitarist (until the mid-
'80s they used two guitars and no bass)
who for some time was rumoured missing or dead in best Robert
Johnson style due to his occult dabblings down south.
Ivy: "I think Bryan actually bought into the publicity which came
afterwards — like, reading someone else's misinterpretation of
yourself and buying into it, you know — he was attempting to get
into it seriously, and that just became like some kind of Spinal Tap
joke.
Lux: "This is somebody that would take an amazing amount of
energy to read a menu! So how this guy knows anything about
the occult. . .we went through the hippy days and we know about
that stuff. We know what it is. But it doesn't make it any more
powerful than those dumb lyrics we were talking about.And
voodoo is a thing that's used for white magic a lot too."
Ivy: "We believe in magic I think, and we believe if there is voodoo
at our shows, then it's that if we can believe something is gonna
happen and anyone in the audience believes it, then it will. You
have to at least have that foolish faith that something incredible is
gonna happen."
Lux: "I think we believe in some kinda spirituality — not necessarily
a good or a bad thing, but just another thing beside your physical
body. Somethin' like that."
Doesn't this kind of thing clash with your love of tack and trash
ephemera?
Lux: "But trash is reality. You go back and watch, say 'Plan 9 From
Outer Space', or any old crummy movie that everybody says is
horrible and, the thing is, you're seeing real people who can't act -
and they're not in sets, they're in somebody's living room. . .
there's a lot of reality there. If you watch some great MGM movie
from the same time, you'll see no reality."
Ivy: "As far as collecting trash, or whatever, material items can
become imprinted. . .they're magical items. A 45 record can be
imprinted with the ghost of whoever owned it in the '50s and
played it and danced to it. An old guitar can be imprinted with the
ghost of whoever played it - whether they're dead now, or not,
they still leave ghosts and I believe in ghosts and I don't think you have to die to leave 'em. Trash and spirituality go very well together."
If they do, then
The Cramps may yet cast their spell over the globe, even though half its teenage population has given up on rock 'n' roll to jack its body to Acid House and the other half is going green or else being duped by the daft, misogynistic mumblings of the metal wannabees. But anyway, until the fever takes a hold, the rock'n' roll grail is safe in their hands.
THE END

(This interview was first publishined in SOUNDS on February 17th 1990 from the Don't Care Archives)

Early Cramps line up '77 - Bryan Gregory, Miriam Linna, Lux Interior, Poison Ivy backstage at CBGB's (DC Collection)
Sounds February 17th 1990
The Cramps 1990 - Nick, Knox, Ivy, Lux, Candy (DC Collection)
The Cramps 'Stay Sick' LP 1989
The Cramps 'Bikini Giels With Machine Guns' 45 1990 
Lux Interior - the coolest role model (?)
Poison Ivy live in 1990 (DC Collection)
Cramps Bryan Gregory & Lux live in London 1979 (DC collection)
HERE'S FIVE ROCKIN' CLASSICS as recommended by The Cramps Lux Interior & Poison Ivy. AMONG THE Cramps' own songs have always nestled their radical reinventions of rock 'n' roll, R&B and blues classics.
Here they suggest five at random which are worth checking out. You've probably heard of at least one of them.


1. GENOCIDE by Link Wray

Ivy: "It's kinda like the ultimate Link Wray — apocalyptic, grim,
moment of truth kind of instrumental. Which is how you think of his
stuff anyway, but this one kind of gets it more. . .it's very austere.
It's on one of those Ace, Big Beat things."


2. SHOMBALOR by Sherriff And The Revels
Lux: "It's a very strange record. It's from the 'Surfin' Bird' school of,
ah, music? It's real great. Unbelievable. I can't explain it."
Ivy: "The lyrics are kinda surrealistic. Or Dadaistic."
Lux: "Right in the middle of it, he goes, 'I'd rather be a bear", and all
the music stops and he goes "Roooarrrgh!" and then all the music
starts again. It's hard to explain. It's got these real orgasmic lyrics."


3. DIRTY ROBBER by The Wailers
Lux: "The single version. That's different from the
album version and it's just better than The Sonics, it's
unbelievable. My God, . .this vocalist is like, he either
had a broken microphone or a broken throat. It's really
great. But it's gotta be the single. They put it out on
an album, but that's a much lamer recording from a
coupla years later."


4. GANG WAR by Gene Maitals
Lux: "Boy, he's great. This one is real neat, and then
there's 'The Raging Sea'. . .all of his songs are
apocalyptic rockabilly. 'Crazy Baby'. . .he swallows his
tongue on that one."


5. 197O (I FEEL ALRIGHT) by The Stooges
Lux: "That got us thrown out of a discotheque in Italy
four years ago. They were having a party for us in this
place and playing all these kinda horrifying records,
and we went in and put this on and just played it over
and over again, and locked 'em out of the control
room — and we were Gatoring, that's a Cleveland
dance, which means you lay on the floor and roll, and
knock all the other dancers down. They threw us out.
But it was our party! They threw us out of our own
party. But that's the best Stooges song there ever
was. That's the best vocal he ever did."

FOR MORE ON THE CRAMPS YOU SHOULD TRY THIS DEDICATED CRAMPS PAGE WITH SOME GREAT LINKS. AND THERE'S A DETAILED BIOGRAPHY HERE...
Gene Maitals
LINK RAY
The Stooges
Sherriff & The Revels apears on this album
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