NIHILISM ON THE PROWL!
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(Reprinted from SOUNDS FEB 5TH 1983)

LIFE ISN'T easy - especially for
pioneers, visionaries ... and
madmen! I'm not sure which of
these descriptions fits Abbo as he
buys me a quarter of pineapple
chunks and takes me home to the
Brixton flat he shares with Andi of
Sex Gang Children.
It's a trying day for Abbo - he's
trying to make me a pot of tea
("Is this alright - I've never done it
before, I always drink coffee!")
and trying to explain the demise
of his group, UK Decay.


"It just seemed that the natural
progression of the band was to split - we'd
just played Berlin and Paris and had two
London gigs arranged, so it seemed a
good time to finish, rather than doing a
cliched farewell tour."
Throughout their existence, UK Decay strove to avoid the cliched, the banal. the obvious. At the same time, their critics and opponents - especially those who called themselves rock journalists - managed to plumb new, depressingly biased depths of the same qualities.
In reviewing their first-ever release - a split-single shared with Pneu-Mania ÀNME's cynical wags Danny Baker and Charles Shaar Murray dismissed it with the cruel
"the 'search for the two worst punk bands in Britain has now been concluded".
But Decay were much, much more than just another punk band, a fact that has consistently eluded such short-sighted trend-setters who could see no further than the countless leather jackets which proudly bore the name of UK Decay. usually next to The Exploited.
Indeed. Decay had more in common with near neighbours Bauhaus, as well as Theatre Of Hate and Killing Joke, while never gaining either the attention or commercial success these others somehow snatched out of turn.
The year 1982, though. witnessed the
resurgence of UK Decay. Firstly
isolated by Joke's disintegration and the
Bauhaus/TOH assault on the charts,
then joined in the musical wilderness by
a host of new groups typified by
Southern Death Cult and Sex Gang
Children, they found themselves as the
spearhead of a new punk movement
that owed nothing to the hard-core
antics of the Upstarts, Cockney Rejects
or Exploited but instead harked back to
the original inspiration of the early Ants
and Banshees.
Suddenly all of Abbo's dreams and
nightmares were becoming reality as
the bands fortunes switched
dramatically from those of madmen
losers to successful pioneers forging
ahead with an exciting, adventurous
brand of alternative music.

AND SO, after two years of ploughing a lone furrow - the tenuous links with Bauhaus et al were never enough to form alliances - UK Decay found themselves being regarded as the goddfathers of a brash new explosion of sound and vision, where excitement was a drum barrage, a fiery hair-style and the reemergence of sweat and celebration through dancing.
The first inklings of this New Tribalism surfaced around the time that UK Decay headlined at the Zig Zag Club last April and were supported by both Southern Death Cult and Danse Society. Suddenly there was a new optimism and exultation in the air - the groups' own vital exhuberance was more than matched by the audience's frenzied, colourful reactions. At last there were gigs in
town that had a sense of purpose to match the rush of frantic fun they generated.
As the year wore on, UK Decay became the established and unquestioned standarddbearers - the group that all the others looked up to and strove to emulate (without copying) - as they headlined at venues as varying as the Lyceum, the Klub Foot and even the Anarchy
Centre in
Harrow Road.
As always, they
insisted on
keeping prices
low, security to
a minimum and
support acts
the best there
was ... virtually
a roll-call of the
whole movement
with names like
Sex Gang
Children,
Southern Death
Cult, Blood And
Roses, Ritual,
Brigandage.
Ironically, by the
end of the year
Decay had
decided to quit
and go on to
pastures new,
while the young
, pretenders
were reaping
the rewards for
three years hard
graft. Danse
Society appeared
on Riverside, Death Cult were on the Tube - and Sex Gang seemed to be everywhere! Wasn't Abbo ever jealous of all this?
"Yeah, erm (laughs ruefully) - I remember", when we first met Danse Society and I thought 'Christ, they've really got something - why is everyone ignoring them?', so we gave them a couple of gigs, but the audience ... it just seemed to be falling on deaf ears - and the same with Sex Gang when they first started, I couldn't understand why the audience were so passive.
"So I tried to evaluate it I wondered if the people were just following us blindly and that maybe we'd become some sort of pseudo-trendy thing simply
because we were so unfashionable.
"And these new bands were coming out with all the same things we'd said -'we want success on our own terms' - and I could see then that just a very small
compromise by them would take them up the next step on the success ladder. like doing TV things,
"Whereas. at the time we started, for us to do that would have meant totally restyling the music, changing the band and everything. So now it does seem a lot easier - but I don't feel envious of them, I just feel happy that it's come about. For me. it's like 'I told you so' - it can be done like this! And they're doing it,"
How much did the rapid success of these other bands play a part in Decay's decision to split?
"Well, although everything we were doing was still true to the original aims we had, there were these other bands around perveying a similar medium for their ideas - not necessarily similar ideas - and I don't think it's enough justification to carry on just for the pleasure of saying 'well, we're doing it better than anybody else', because obviously every band thinks that'"


























But with all the bands getting increased acceptance, couldn't you have kept going so that you could use the increased attention and influence to put your ideas and ideals to practical use?
"Yeah, but the music and ideas are still there for reference- and, as I say. other bands are doing it!"
Did you feel you'd achieved part of your job because these bands have come through in your slipstream, actively encouraged by you?
"Well, yeah - yeah definitely!"
Was that the most important thing Decay did paving the way?
"Well, I don't see that we paved the way really ... that's not for me to say without making myself sound too self-important. A lot of it was down to us doing the groundwork in the North of England, because the style of music we were playing was highly unfashionable in the North, all they wanted was hardcore punk!
"So at the time, we had to really FIGHT to get in there, cos it was all punk bands like the Exploited or mod bands. We'd get an 18-date tour lined up, but by the time we'd come to do it, the Exploited had already played the same gigs, the week before and we'd be down to just a 8-date tour because punk had been banned!
"But we always thought - without being too pretentious about it - that we were a punk band, but in another world to the Exploited!"
But your name screamed out from a thousand black leather jackets alongside The Exploited - you had the same fans!
"Yeah, those leather jackets - that's what put a lot of people off us, I know."
You used to get compared with Bauhaus a lot, since both of you came out of Northampton at pretty much the same time - are you pleased at their recent chart success?
"Yeah, I really am! Cos that's what they wanted to do - they always wanted to be on Top Of The Pops, but also I feel a bit sorry for them in that they haven't fulfilled themselves. I don't feel jealous of them, but I think that 'Ziggy' mantle will always drag them down now .....I teel happier at the end ' .... of the day with UK Decay, than I would do if I'd been in Bauhaus."
But didn't you ever feel the temptation to make concessions to gain that sort of mass success?
"Yeah, yeah ... (pause) ... obviously the temptation was there - at some points it was almost irresistible, but luckily every time we walked through this garden of temptation, we saw things happening to other bands that warned us off, and we thought 'shit, we just can't do it - it would be ridiculous'.
"Some people saw that as bad for us, they thought 'oh, Decay are in the wrong place at the wrong time again - if they'd been there, they'd have done something', but the temptation was there, contracts with blank cheques were dangled and it's the same now, which is why I'm happy to be doing a new band."


TALK OF blank cheques
leaves a bitter taste in Abbo's
mouth - here,have one of my
pineapple chunks! - after
Decay's iII-fated 'liason with
Fresh Records who' went bust
after releasing the band's
debut LP 'For Madmen Only'.
"It was a big set-back" recalls
Abbo shaking his head. "We
put our trust in Fresh because
we liked them as people, even
though they were a joke in the
business because everyone
said what inefficient
businessmen they were.
"When the time came round to
getting paid, they couldn't pay
us, so we gave them another
month to get the money ... and
on the twenty-eighth day they
went bankrupt! So we were left
staring at a faceless wall of
auditors and receivers - and
we were left in the wilderness ... "
Enter good Samaritans Crass, who agreed to put up the money to release the epic 'Werewolf' 12", even though the two bands had had a major disagreement years back over poor security at a gig they'd played together in Luton.
"It was just great, to me, celebration, and we'd seen the way they lent us the money when there were such inconsistencies between us, even though we have a lot of similar ideals"
says Abbo. "It was really brave of them and it rules out beyond any possibility
the question of their integrity.
"And I must admit, it was really tempting to sit down and write a letter to Sounds
in support of them at the time, cos a lot of shit was going on between Crass and
Bushell and Steve Arrogant."
That record, in all its magnificent unholy noise, s~emed to rejuvenate the band.
"Yeah, when we finally got 'Werewolf' out, we got rid of all the frustration and
we regained our momentum - the first time we played it live was at the Zig Zag Club'" gig ... and it was obvious that something was happening.
"There was a renewed these other bands around were getting condemned by
the critics for being 'death, doom and gloom', which we so obviously weren't! They saw it on face level, they'd never been to any of ourgigs and witnessed the
celebration of it all ... and I get a bit sad that some groups take it all on face
level too - I've got demos here from groups and it's all titles like 'Doom Valley' and 'In The Graveyard At Midnight'. They agree with what we're saying, but
they're writing the antithesis of what we're actually about!
"But I found I was writing more songs from meeting our audience, instead of
stealing ideas from books by Neitzche - and 'Werewolf' is a song that's very much about the audience, seeing people transformed.
"You speak to them before the gig and they're really quiet, but when you come
on stage, they're down the ront and they're trying to rip you apart and ripping
each other apart - all in good fun! - and then you see them after the gig again
and they're really subdued, they seem really shy even if they talk to you."
You told me you got similarly ecstatic reactions in Berlin and Paris - yet that
was the moment you decided to quit. Why?
"Well, that was part of the reason for us splitting! The Berlin gig had just been so frantic ... Hamburg, the night before, was supposed to be really subdued and
hat was equally frenzied. 800 sweaty bodies just ripping each other apart. It
was unbelievable, because Paris actually is very chic and cool. And I could feel
that unleashing of tension, I didn't need anybody to tell me that doesn't normally
happen in Paris. There were a thousand ways it could have developed into a brawl, but it turned into a rebellious celebration and we'd seen that happening at every gig we'd done in the last twelve months.
"But we wondered if that  was enough - maybe we should be doing something
else."
These seeds of doubt soon became .magnified by
personal differences with  guitarist Spon and an
overall feeling, that the new brand of groups were
somehow better equipped to carry on the fight Decay
had started.
But isn't this split just a clever way of edging out a
guitarist that Abbo no longer  gets on with?
"But it's not that at all - if we wanted to do that, we
could have gone to Iceland and got a nice holiday
out of it! I mean another group did that recently" he
comments, referring to Killing Joke, while refusing to
actually 'name them, "and they're still  playing the
same old set with five new songs, which - to me - isn't
the way to do it.
"If you're gonna say to people 'this is a new band',
then you've gotta be NEW!
And that's why we're writing a totally new set and in a
very different style."

SO IT seemed obvious  to quit, there and then?
Drummer Steve, who's just joined us, admits it wasn't
an easy decision, but they were all convinced it was
the right one. "It's inevitable that every band ceases
to exist at some time, and the time seemed right,
even though a lot of our fans are pissed off that we
stopped - they ask 'what are we going to do now
without you to follow', but this new group will be even
better."
While Steve never had any doubts about joining Abbo in the new (as yet, still un-
named) group, bassist Eddie took a few weeks to agree to join and then brought his guitarist friend Pat into the fold.
The three of them are fairly quiet when confronted by questions about the new
venture, short of agreeing that "it won't be rock'n'roll", as Pat has a classical
training! They're happy to let Abbo do most of the talking
- "that's the best thing about him, he's articulate, he can explain things better
than us, but we talk through our instruments."
Far from abdicating and ducking out of the flourishing "alternative" punk scene they helped to encourage, Abbo and his new group are taking a brave step somewhere ... well, BEYOND. Whatever the new sound is, they promise
not to merely do Decay retreads.
Their aim, their glorious goal, lies hidden in the lyric of their' newest song, called
'Bravado'. Quite simply, "to ignite optimistic tomorrows."
Light blue touch paper - and watch out!
THE END

(SOUNDS FEB 5TH 1983 reprinted from the Don't Care Archives with added imagery)

For a great resourse of information go to the reformed
UK DECAY website.
www.ukdecay.co.uk
MORE VINTAGE INTERVIEWS
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UK Decay's Abbo 1983 (DC Archives)
Sounds March 31st 1979 - DC Archives
Sounds February 5th 1983
UK Decay debut split 45 (1979)
UK Decay
UK Decay 'For Madmen Only' LP (1981)
UK Decay guitarist Spon (DC Collection)
Zig Zag flyer 1982 (DC Collection)