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QUESTION  102 :  David lost his salvation, therefore, can we then not loose ours?

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"Sadly, some will reject the clarity of these Scriptures and try to distort the facts to say that David didn't lose his salvation (die) after committing adultery and murder. Such a person is as bad or even worse than an eternal security teacher, even though he might outwardly deny the teaching of eternal security. Note: The strong warnings of Ezek 18:24,26; 33:13,18 were not just hypothetical, as some say, for such happened to David. Even David knew he was an evil doer during that time and hence one who died spiritually (not physically) because of his sin. Furthermore, some like to misuse Psa. 51 to say David only lost the joy of his salvation. They somehow miss how David humbly and sorrowfully asked God for mercy because of his sins, as just cited, which is also how Jesus said the repentant tax collector got saved (or justified). Those who do evil, like David did, die spiritually, according to the above. The following is also evidence that David lost his salvation for a time: (Ezek 18:24, Ezek 33:18, Ezek 18:26). After David prayed for mercy, forgiveness (and salvation), he also asked for other things like the joy of his salvation to be restored (Psa. 51:12). Psalm 51 is the prayer of a man who had backslidden" (Dan Corner).

If he had used someone after the apostolic age, then this argument would be valid. For David himself did not enjoy Justification, because it was not yet given. As I've disputed elsewhere, this is an Old Testament reference of an individual under a different dispensation. Thus the person in question wasn't saved as we are, because salvation wasn't given yet. Therefore, how could he lose salvation if he didn't have it? Salvation given by Christ is eternal (Heb 10:14) as against the Old Covenant of the law, so to speak. Similarly, allegation of Patriarchs like David, Solomon or even Judas Iscariot loosing "salvation" is fallacious, because they never had salvation. They were all under the law, a type of salvation to come through Jesus Christ. Not even Peter was saved until he was born again; that's why Christ said to him, "when thou art converted [saved], strengthen thy brethren" (Luke 22:32). If we could have been "saved" by the law, Christ would have died in vain. Paul himself said so, "for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain" (Gal 2:21). Salvation came after Christ's death, first demonstrated at Pentecost.

Even further, King David was tempted by satan, he didn't become a satanist or ultimately out-of-sync with God. Likewise, we will always be tempted to do stupid things. "Idle hands are a tool for the devil." Though we wont loose our salvation if at one time we slipped, being justified, it gives "occassion to the adversary to speak reproachfully" against the church (1 Tim 5:14); which also hinders the unsaved from coming to Christ, so to speak. As saints, we will have struggles with the enemy, but by God's spirit we will not turn away to follow satan (Eze 36:27).

Answer Notes: 1. The reference to the word salvation in Psalms 51 doesn't necessarily mean salvation as we use the word, but salvation can mean different things; example, deliverance, benefits of obeying the law then, escape for certain destruction (namely God's hand), etc.

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